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Hardware Canucks
28 Jul 202415:30

Summary

TLDRAMD launches the Ryzen AI HX series processors, aiming to compete with top brands in the laptop market. The new Zen 5 architecture features three processors with impressive specs, including a powerful NPU and configurable TDP. The Ryzen AI series shows efficiency and performance gains in multi-core tests, excelling in apps like Photoshop and Lightroom. However, gaming performance on integrated graphics needs improvement, and the 'AI' branding seems more of a marketing move. The processors show promise for future AI capabilities but currently have limited real-world applications.

Takeaways

  • ๐Ÿš€ AMD is launching a new series of laptops headlined by the Zen 5 architecture, aiming to compete with top brands like Intel, Apple, and Qualcomm.
  • ๐Ÿ”‹ Three processors are being launched: Ryzen AI 9 HX 370 with 12 cores and 24 threads, HX 375 with a faster CPU, and Ryzen AI 9365 with two fewer cores and threads.
  • ๐ŸŒŸ All processors share a more powerful Neural Processing Unit (NPU) and a configurable TDP of 15-54 Watts with a 28 Watts default setting, focusing on efficiency.
  • ๐Ÿ’ป The Ryzen AI series is designed to be power-efficient, which could make it a strong contender against Apple's M-series processors in the ultra-portable market.
  • ๐Ÿ“ˆ In performance tests, the Ryzen AI processors showed impressive efficiency and power consumption, outperforming the Intel Core Ultra 915h and other competitors.
  • ๐Ÿ”ง The Ryzen AI 9365 consistently outperformed the technically faster HX 370 in certain tests, suggesting that not all performance metrics scale linearly with clock speed.
  • ๐ŸŽจ For applications like Photoshop and Lightroom, the new Zenbook laptops with Ryzen AI processors demonstrated significant performance improvements over other thin and light Windows laptops.
  • ๐Ÿ“Š Cinebench tests showed the Ryzen AI processors leading in multi-core performance, with the HX 370 and 365 significantly outperforming Intel CPUs.
  • ๐Ÿ”ง The integrated video coding engine (VDC) in AMD's processors has been improved, now capable of outperforming Intel's Quick Sync for the first time.
  • ๐Ÿ”‹ While the Ryzen AI processors showed good performance on battery, there's room for improvement in power allocation to the integrated graphics during gaming scenarios.
  • ๐ŸŽฎ In gaming tests, the Ryzen AI processors' performance varied, suggesting that power management strategies could impact their gaming capabilities.

Q & A

  • What is the main focus of AMD's new series of laptops?

    -The main focus of AMD's new series of laptops is to compete with the best from Intel, Apple, and Qualcomm in the light market, featuring the new Zen5 architecture.

  • What are the key features of the Ryzen AI 9 HX 370 processor?

    -The Ryzen AI 9 HX 370 processor features 12 cores and 24 threads, with clock speeds ranging from 2 GHz to 5.1 GHz.

  • How does the Ryzen AI 9 HX 375 differ from the HX 370?

    -The Ryzen AI 9 HX 375 is essentially the same as the HX 370 but with a faster processing unit.

  • What are the similarities between the new Ryzen AI processors?

    -All new Ryzen AI processors share a vastly more powerful NPU than the previous generation and have a configurable TDP ranging from 15 to 54 watts, with a nominal default power setting of 28 watts.

  • How do the new Ryzen AI processors compare to Intel's Core Ultra 915h?

    -The Ryzen AI processors are intended to compete against Intel's Core Ultra 915h, but a better parallel would be the Core Ultra 165 and 155h due to similar power envelopes.

  • What is the significance of efficiency in the new Ryzen AI processors?

    -Efficiency is critical for ultra-portable laptops because low power leads to less heat production, making these laptops cooler and quieter.

  • How do the Ryzen AI processors perform in lightly threaded applications?

    -The Ryzen AI processors show a significant uplift in lightly threaded performance, matching or surpassing many other processors, except for Apple's highly tuned M3 processor.

  • How do the Ryzen AI processors fare in multi-core tests like Cinebench R23?

    -In multi-core tests like Cinebench R23, the Ryzen AI 9365 can match the 8840 HS while consuming less power, and the HX 370 achieves a significant lead.

  • What are the new integrated GPU features in the Ryzen AI series?

    -The new integrated GPU features in the Ryzen AI series include the revised RDNA 3.5 architecture, allowing these processors to beat Intel's Quick Sync in video encoding and decoding.

  • What are the implications of the new NPU in Ryzen AI processors?

    -The new NPU in Ryzen AI processors is powerful on paper but has little real-world use for most buyers at present, making it mostly a marketing feature.

Outlines

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๐Ÿ’ป AMD's Ryzen AI Series: A New Powerhouse for Laptops

AMD introduces a new series of high-performance processors for laptops, the Ryzen AI series, with the Zen 5 architecture, aiming to compete with the best from Intel, Apple, and Qualcomm. The series initially includes three processors: the Ryzen AI 9 HX 370 with 12 cores and 24 threads capable of running up to 5.1 GHz, the HX 375 with a faster clock speed, and the Ryzen AI 9 65 with fewer cores and threads. All share a powerful Neural Processing Unit (NPU) and a configurable TDP from 15 to 54 Watts. The focus on efficiency could potentially make these processors a game-changer for AMD, reminiscent of Apple's M-series impact. The script also mentions a video sponsor, the Tower 300 case, highlighting its unique design and features.

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๐Ÿ”‹ Efficiency and Performance: Ryzen AI's Dual Focus

The Ryzen AI series is designed with a focus on efficiency, which is crucial for ultra-portable laptops. The processors are tested against Intel's Core Ultra 915h and other competitors, showing that they sip less power even in high-performance modes. The testing was conducted on two Zenbook s16s, one with the HX 370 and the other with the HX 365. The results indicate that the Ryzen AI processors are the least power-hungry Windows-based devices tested, which could be significant for cooling and performance in compact laptops. However, while they can't compete with Apple's M3 processor, they offer impressive performance in applications like Photoshop and Lightroom, outperforming other thin and light Windows laptops.

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๐ŸŽฎ Gaming and Graphics: The Ryzen AI Series' Integrated GPU Performance

The Ryzen AI series includes an updated integrated GPU based on the RDNA architecture, with the 880m and 890m models. While the synthetic benchmarks show improvements, the real-world gaming performance is mixed, with some CPU-focused games showing significant wins for the Ryzen AI processors, while others show the processors struggling against the competition. The inconsistency in performance suggests that power allocation strategies for the integrated graphics may vary between laptop manufacturers, affecting gaming performance. The script also points out that the 'AI' in the processor's name has little real-world application for most buyers at this time, and availability of laptops with these processors will be limited until later in the year.

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๐Ÿš€ A Promising Future for AMD's Ryzen AI Processors

The video concludes with a positive outlook on AMD's Ryzen AI processors, noting their potential for the future despite some current limitations. The processors have shown top performance for today's apps and could become even more powerful when running at higher wattages. The script emphasizes the need for laptop manufacturers to optimize power distribution to the integrated graphics for better gaming performance. It also mentions the irony of the 'AI' branding, which currently offers little practical use. The video ends by inviting viewers to share their thoughts on the Ryzen AI processors' performance and anticipates an intense competition in the market for the rest of the year.

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Keywords

๐Ÿ’กZen5 architecture

Zen5 architecture is the latest CPU architecture from AMD, known for its enhanced performance and efficiency. In the video, it is highlighted as the foundation of AMD's new series of Ryzen AI processors, aimed to compete with high-end offerings from Intel, Apple, and Qualcomm.

๐Ÿ’กRyzen AI 9 HX 370

The Ryzen AI 9 HX 370 is a new processor in AMD's Ryzen AI series, featuring 12 cores and 24 threads with a clock speed range of 2 GHz to 5.1 GHz. It is designed for high performance and efficiency in thin and light laptops, making it a key player in AMD's strategy to challenge its competitors.

๐Ÿ’กNPU

NPU stands for Neural Processing Unit, a specialized component designed to accelerate AI tasks. The video mentions that the new Ryzen AI processors feature a significantly more powerful NPU than previous generations, enhancing their AI capabilities.

๐Ÿ’กTDP (Thermal Design Power)

TDP is the amount of heat a processor is expected to generate under typical usage, which helps determine cooling requirements. The Ryzen AI processors have a configurable TDP of 15 to 54 Watts, with a default setting of 28 Watts, emphasizing their focus on efficiency.

๐Ÿ’กCinebench R23

Cinebench R23 is a benchmarking tool used to evaluate CPU performance. In the video, the Ryzen AI 9365's performance is tested using Cinebench R23, where it matches the older Ryzen 7 8840 HS while consuming less power, demonstrating its efficiency.

๐Ÿ’กRDNA 3.5 GPU architecture

RDNA 3.5 is AMD's latest GPU architecture integrated into the new Ryzen AI processors. The video discusses its improved video encoding and decoding capabilities, which help the Ryzen processors outperform Intel's Quick Sync in specific tasks.

๐Ÿ’กPerformance per watt

Performance per watt is a measure of how efficiently a processor uses power to deliver performance. The video highlights that the new Ryzen AI processors set a new benchmark for Windows-based laptops in this regard, even though they still lag behind Apple's M series.

๐Ÿ’กIntegrated Graphics

Integrated Graphics refer to the GPU built into the CPU, which handles visual processing tasks. The video explores how the new Ryzen AI processors' integrated graphics, based on RDNA 3.5, perform in gaming and other GPU-intensive applications compared to Intel and previous AMD generations.

๐Ÿ’กBattery life

Battery life is crucial for mobile devices, and the video examines how the new Ryzen AI processors perform in this area. Despite their efficiency, the video notes that the performance on battery might dip compared to when plugged in, particularly in AI-driven applications.

๐Ÿ’กZenbook S16

The Zenbook S16 is a laptop model used to test the new Ryzen AI processors in the video. It features a 16-inch screen and is described as a thin and light laptop, showcasing the processors' capabilities in a portable form factor.

Highlights

AMD is launching a new series of laptops featuring the Zen 5 architecture, competing against Intel, Apple, and Qualcomm.

Three processors are launching: Ryzen AI 9 HX 370, HX 375, and AI 9 365, with varying core counts and clock speeds.

All processors feature a significantly more powerful NPU and configurable TDP between 15 and 54 Watts.

Zen 5 architecture aims for high efficiency, potentially being AMD's 'Apple M series' moment.

Zenbook S16s with HX 370 and 365 processors are noted for their low power consumption even in high performance modes.

The Ryzen AI series aims to compete with Intel's Core Ultra 915h and 155h, as well as Apple's M3 processor.

Ryzen AI laptops are among the least power-hungry Windows-based devices tested, which is beneficial for ultra-portable laptops.

The Ryzen AI 9 365 outperforms the HX 370 in single-thread performance despite having fewer cores and threads.

New Ryzen processors offer significant performance improvements in applications like Photoshop and Lightroom.

Ryzen AI processors achieve high performance per watt, setting a new benchmark for Windows-based laptops.

The integrated video coding engine (VDC) in Ryzen AI processors now outperforms Intel's Quick Sync.

Ryzen AI processors show potential in gaming performance, though improvements are needed in power allocation for integrated graphics.

Ryzen AI processors deliver impressive performance on battery life, matching or exceeding older Zen 4 processors and Intel's offerings in certain scenarios.

Despite the AI branding, the NPU's real-world use for most buyers is currently limited, acting more as a marketing feature.

Availability of Zen 5 laptops will be limited until October, with specific models being exclusive to certain retailers.

Transcripts

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instead of yet another refresh or

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Rebrand AMD is finally launching a brand

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new series of laptops ofp use they're

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headlined by the new zen5 architecture

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and it's meant to go head-to-head

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against the best from Intel apple and

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even Qualcomm in the light market now

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initially there will be three processors

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launching the ryzen AI 9 HX 370 which

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has 12 cores and 24 threads that can run

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from 2 GHz all the way up to 5.1 GHz the

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HX 375 is just a copy and paste job with

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a faster puu meanwhile the ryzen AI 9365

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gets uh two less cores four fewer

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threads and a 100 MHz cut in its single

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core clock speed it also comes with a

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cut down 880m integrated GPU now two

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major things they all share in common

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are a vastly more powerful npu than the

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previous generation and a configurable

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TDP of between 15 and 54 Watts with a

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nominal default power setting of 28 wats

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obviously one of the primary goals was

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to focus on efficiency so STS point and

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Zen 5 architecture could actually maybe

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make these processors amd's Apple M

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series moment but let's take a moment to

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check out today's video sponsor the new

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tower 300 definitely a unique looking

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case with a three-piece panoramic front

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view made specifically for Micro ATX

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motherboards with insane Hardware

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support like a 420 mil rad fits on the

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side of the enclosure with this easily

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removable fan bracket my four slot GPU

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fits a no problem with breathing room

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all around fully dust protected on all

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sides too the optional LCD screen is

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super fun and the lay flat mode brings

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the tower 300 into a whole new universe

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definitely explore the color options too

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all linked below okay so power means

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everything which is pretty obvious

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considering all the laptops that we've

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been seeing lately on the market so the

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ryzen AI series they are meant to like

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The Benchmark charts on fire they'll

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even be fighting an uphill battle

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against Intel's core Ultra 915h because

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the Intel chip has a much higher power

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envelope so the better parallel would be

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the 165 and the

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155h also for testing we got two Zenbook

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s16s one with a flagship HX 370 and the

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other one uh with the 365 this is

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technically a thin and light laptop but

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with a massive 16-in screen um so its

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footprint is a lot bigger than typical

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13 and 14in devices we see in this

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segment um the specs are almost

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identical too with the only major

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difference other than the huge price

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graap uh which is the memory allocation

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but even in it's a slightly larger

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chassis check out how much little power

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these chips need even with the highest

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performance modes they sip a lot less

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power than the ultra 7 155h in the XPS

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13 and Zenbook 14 OLED they even save 5

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wats versus the ryzen 78840 HS which

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might not seem like much but in an ultra

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compact laptop it makes a huge

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difference guys I mean nothing can

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compete against Apple's M3 processor

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here and I also need to mention the x1e

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78100 since Qualcomm doesn't allow for

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direct power monitoring bring up their

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chip the numbers you see here is how

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much the entire device pulls from

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between the USB port and the power brake

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so it can't be directly compared to the

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rest of the results I should also

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mention how we're testing other CPUs

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against the ryzen AI series because

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input power varies so much from one

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laptop to another uh it's very

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challenging to do Apple to Apple CPU

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testing across different devices so our

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intent was to find as many thin and

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lights that use similar power envelopes

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to the Zenbook s16s and even then the

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ryzen AI laptops were still the least

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power hungry windows-based devices we

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have ever got our hands on and that

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could be a very very good thing because

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if the MacBook Air proves anything high

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efficiency CPUs are absolutely critical

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for Ultra portable laptops since low

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power leads to less heat being produced

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so these are two of the coolest running

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laptops in this category and more

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importantly their Peak temperature are

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significantly lower than anything we've

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tested before these are also some of the

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quieter laptops here as well at least in

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their highest performance mode but every

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laptop here sounds like a jet engine

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compared to the passively cooled MacBook

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Air now I think you all have one thing

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in your heads that's also been bothering

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my mind as well and that's efficiency

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isn't everything Apple's M series major

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strength is their ability to deliver

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extremely good performance despite

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sipping back a lot less power than CPUs

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from Intel and AMD I mean Asus can run

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these ryzen AI chips at just 33 Watts

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but does that completely kneecap their

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performance well we'll have to remember

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when compared to the Zenbook 14 with its

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8840 HS Asus is using about 15% less

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power for their HX 370 and 365 based

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laptops and a whole lot less than

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similar laptops based on the ultra 7

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155h meanwhile these chips have more

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cores and threads than Zen 4 Series

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chips those extra cores do count for

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something though and in an all core test

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like cinebench R23 the ryzen AI 9365 is

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able to at least match the 8840 HS while

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consuming less power the HX 370 Sprints

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to a pretty massive lead as well and

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compared to the Intel CPUs well it isn't

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even close even with those being more

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power hungry moving on to something like

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cinebench 2024 and the lead gets even

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bigger with the two ryzen AI chips way

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way out in front the only thing that

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beats them is the x1e

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78100 now when we switch to

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single-threaded results the two zen5

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chips pretty much dominate everything

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else out there except the 8 core M3

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processor in the MacBook Air Apple has

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just highly tuned that for lightly

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threaded workloads and because of that

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it'll walk all over most x86 CPUs now

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one interesting thing to note is that

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with our2 systems at least uh the ryzen

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9 365 was consistently ahead of the 370

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but still what AMD has done here is

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really really impressive and the lightly

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threaded performance uplift along with

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some internal changes have some huge

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benefits in applications like Photoshop

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where the new zenbooks just demolish

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every other thin and light Windows

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laptop we've tested the same thing goes

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for Lightroom where the HX 370 and 365

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give you almost unbelievable numbers

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that come close to the MacBook Air M3

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they look like they're from a completely

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different era as the meteor Lake CPUs

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but those were launched about eight

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months ago in typical office apps they

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perform pretty well but the spread

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between all these processors is like

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splitting hairs a few seconds here and

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there but nothing really extreme guys

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there is one consistent winner though

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and that's the ryzen 9 365's dominance

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over the technically faster HX 370 now

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this shouldn't come as a surprise though

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since the cinebench results showed our

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365 system it's a little bit faster in

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single thread performance and office

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apps certainly aren multi-core focused

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when you get into heavy multi-core Focus

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outputs those extra threads really do

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come in handy but I also want to focus

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on something else here both ryzen

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processors are able to get these kinds

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of results while needing significantly

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less power than the competition their

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raw performance per watt isn't anything

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near what Apple can deliver with their

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silicon but it is a new high Benchmark

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for Windows based laptops and that's

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saying a lot amd's integrated video

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coding engine or V DC also got a shot of

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adrenaline which is mostly a factor of

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bold chips using the revised rdna 3.5

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GPU architecture so we're finally and I

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mean finally seeing ryzen processors

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that can beat Intel's quick sync it's

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pretty amazing and those upgrades to

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encoding and decoding also lead to

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Performance and Premier outputs that

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drastically improve on what the 8840 HS

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offers and it can either match or beat

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the ultra 71 155h while running at lower

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power levels the other area where

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there's still room for improvement is in

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resolve where yes the ryzen AI

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processors are on another level versus

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N4 but Intel still delivers better

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overall performance though not by much

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since AMD has pretty much closed the Gap

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here now those numbers as you saw were

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basically with these laptops plugged in

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uh but that's the easy part the reality

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for most people is completely different

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because these are mobile devices after

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all and they'd be staying away from a

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plug for most of their life

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so did AMD make enough changes to create

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a battery life champ now while these are

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good numbers they only tell half the

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story we tried our best to match each

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processor's power range but one of the

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challenges When comparing battery life

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is these new ryzen AI processors are

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tied to a 16in 120 HZ screen while we

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try to level the playing field as much

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as possible by setting all the laptops

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to 60 HZ the s16 size just could account

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for some of the differences you're

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seeing here I can't wait to try one of

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these r AIC CPUs and a more compact

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14-in laptop but even then with a slight

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handicap depending on the scenario they

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can match the 8840 HS though in some

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cases the system with the older zen4

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processor pulls ahead the same thing

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goes for the core Ultra 7 155h in the

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Zenbook 14 OLED the standings flip-flop

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depending on the situation also you

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should completely remove the XPS 13 from

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the equation here since the battery life

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capacity on that thing is just

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absolutely pathetic the load numbers

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surprise me though I mean they draw some

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of the lowest amount of power on average

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so shouldn't they get pushed to the top

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in this test well no basically due to

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their overall efficiency Asus is able to

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run them at higher continual wattage on

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battery and that has a net positive

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effect on their performance especially

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when compared to the ryzen 7 8840 HS

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ironically the Zenbook 14 OED does a

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pretty good job here as well which is

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probably why its heavy load times was so

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bad

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now it really does feel like AMD has

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finally found the small piece of the

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puzzle when it comes to maintaining good

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overall performance on battery but there

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is a small hiccup while AMD was pretty

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far ahead in lightly threaded apps like

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Photoshop when they're plugged in their

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performance relative to Intel apple and

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Qualcomm takes a dive on battery guys

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now while gaming is never ever going to

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be a primary use for the St light

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laptops we've got to talk about it since

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the integrated Graphics just keeps

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getting better and better and in in

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order to keep their leads against what

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Intel's bringing a bit later this year

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um AMD basically decided to give their R

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DNA architecture a bit of a refresh and

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now it isn't anything major on paper

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since the 880m gets the same core count

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as the previous generation 780m while

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the 890m gets a pretty big increase to

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16 compute units there's also a pretty

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big bump in frequencies as well but did

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that change make a huge difference in

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the ryzen AI series ability to actually

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game well the answer isn't what you

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might want to hear at least not in

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synthetics like 3D Mark in some cases

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the new processors are better than the

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last gen ones but they still lose to

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Intel and in other tests they actually

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struggle against the 8840 HS which is a

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bit of a weird situation since on paper

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they have higher core counts and

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increased frequencies at least in the

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case of the HX 370 so what's really

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going on here well that's where we were

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wondering and I think this comes down

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again to power because every one of

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these laptops treats their CPUs and

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integrated Graphics very differently the

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Zenbook s16 might not just be feeding

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the 880m and 890m gpus with as much

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power as the other laptops Fe their rgps

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or they simply they're just prioritizing

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CP performance and funneling as much as

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juice as possible to the processor

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course rather than the graphics

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subsystem and our rear World game

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testing does go a long way towards

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proving this point since games that are

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really CPU focused seem to see the

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biggest wins for these new ryzen AI

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processors in some cases the HX 370 and

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365 are way way ahead of the previous

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generation and simply steamroll

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everything that Intel has to offer and

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if you look at Snapdragon well they're

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just on a completely different planet

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now when you shift gears to games that

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are a bit more GPU limited things get a

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little different actually this looks

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pretty bad for ryzen AI processors and

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rdna

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3.5 since there's some situations where

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the 8840 HS walks all over the new CPUs

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while in other games the ryzen 9365 gets

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consistently beaten even with its new

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architecture so basically all of this

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points towards the possibility that Asus

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might need to look a bit closer at how

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they allocate power on these new laptops

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when their algorithm detects a 3D

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workload more juice should be shifted to

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the integrated Graphics just like they

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did with the 8840 HS uh in the Zenbook

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14 oer because right now the s16 is at a

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huge disadvantage in gaming even though

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on paper two Zen five processors that we

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have over here should have a clear

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advantage in every situation so at the

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end of the day did AMD accomplish what

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they set out to do to be honest I don't

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think I've ever been excited about these

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new laptop CPUs for years minus the

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ridiculous names scheme it's not about

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what the Zenbook s16 did here it's more

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about what it could be doing in the

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future because we haven't seen these

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ryzen AI processors in their fastest

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form yet these things over here are just

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running at 33 Watts while they're hir SK

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is just much higher and you might be

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wondering why Asus chose a relatively

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low wattage CPU for these zok laptops

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and that's pretty simple these chips

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just don't need more they cleanly beat

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the ultra 7 155h in almost every test

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while consuming less power and it also

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producing less heat and that's a major

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win for AMD and laptop manufacturers as

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a whole but that being said there

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obviously needs to be work done with

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their Partners to properly direct power

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towards the integrated Graphics engine

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when a gaming situation pops up if not

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we get what we saw with the s16

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basically an underlying rdna 3.5

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Graphics cord that gets beaten in areas

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where it should be dominating there's

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also some serious irony here as well and

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I think this can be a separate video but

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the biggest part of amd's name change is

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the AI tacked into the ryzen name and it

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has little to no real world use for most

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buyers I mean sure the new npu is a

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beast on paper but for now it is just

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marketing fluff so don't fall for that

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BS another issue will be availability

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because there's only going to be a

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handful of laptops with zen5 around

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until at least October even the 365 H

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equipped Zenbook s16 I believe is a Best

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Buy exclusive I'll leave links down in

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the description if you're interested in

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checking them out but I should also

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mention that the HX 370 version will be

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on the Asus store at first in the end I

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think AMD did something that Qualcomm

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and Microsoft's ridiculous co-pilot plus

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PC marketing didn't they delivered a

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platform that might have ai chops for

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the future but it also features top

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shell performance for apps that people

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are using today and that's a win for

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everyone on that note thanks so much for

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watching I hope you're able to take away

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everything that you needed to know about

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amd's new ryzen AI HX series processors

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let us know what you guys think about

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its performance I think the competition

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is getting a little more intense now so

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the rest of the year is going to be

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pretty good

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