Intel vs AMD Laptops in 2024 - What a Mess...
Summary
TLDRIn this video, the host compares the AMD Ryzen 8000 series and Intel Core Ultra Series processors in laptops, highlighting the difficulty in finding identical models for a fair test. Four laptops from Asus and Lenovo, two each using AMD and Intel, are put through various tests focusing on battery life, port selection, and performance. The results show Intel's processors outperforming AMD in battery life and creator applications, with AMD holding its own in gaming. The video emphasizes the importance of manufacturer optimization and advises consumers to consider current market offerings and wait for upcoming Zen 5 and Lunar Lake architectures for the best value.
Takeaways
- ๐ป The video compares the AMD Ryzen 8000 series and Intel Core Ultra Series processors in laptops, focusing on performance, battery life, and port selection.
- ๐ The test used four laptops from Asus and Lenovo, designed to be as identical as possible except for the CPU, to ensure a fair comparison.
- ๐ฐ The Intel Ultra 7 model with a 1 TB SSD was priced $200 higher than the AMD device, but both offered good value for money.
- ๐ The Intel Core Ultra 7 devices showed better battery life compared to the AMD ones, despite having the same battery capacities.
- ๐ Both AMD and Intel laptops now offer similar port selections with USB 4 and Thunderbolt 4, reducing Intel's previous advantage.
- ๐ In performance tests, the Intel processors outperformed the AMD ones in full core workloads and creator applications when power delivery was equal.
- ๐ฎ In gaming, the Intel Arc graphics showed competitive performance with AMD, but inconsistent driver performance affected the experience.
- โ Asus's power management was criticized for not optimizing the Intel platform as well as the AMD one, leading to performance discrepancies.
- ๐ The Ryzen 8000 series was seen as an incremental update over the 7000 series, with Intel's Meteor Lake taking advantage of this to perform better in many areas.
- ๐ก The video suggests waiting for next year's Zen 5 and Lunar Lake architectures for potential improvements over current offerings.
Q & A
What is the main challenge in comparing laptop processors?
-The main challenge is getting identical laptop models with the same chassis, specifications, and price for both Intel and AMD processors.
What are the two pairs of laptops used in the video for comparison?
-The two pairs are the Asus Zenbook 14 OLEDs and the Lenovo Pro 7 Series, with each pair being clones of one another with the only major difference being the processors used.
What is the difference in storage between the Intel and AMD Zenbook 14 OLEDs?
-The Intel Ultra 7 model has a 1 TB SSD, which is likely the reason for its $200 premium over the AMD device.
How do the battery capacities of the compared laptops compare?
-Both sets of laptops have identical 75W battery capacities.
What is the battery life advantage of the Intel Core Ultra 7 devices over the AMD ones?
-The Intel Core Ultra 7 devices have an edge over the AMD ones, with the ultra 755h getting about 2 and 1/2 hours more battery life than the AMD device.
How does the port selection differ between the AMD and Intel versions of the Zenbook laptops?
-The AMD version has two USB type-c connectors, one of which is a USB 4 and the other a USB 3.2 Gen 2, while the Intel version has two full-speed Thunderbolt 4 connectors.
What is the issue with the power delivery to the CPUs in the Asus Zenbook 14 during the benchmarking?
-The Asus Zenbook 14 with the Intel CPU has power limits that hinder its performance, with the system feeding less and less power over time, leading to degraded clock speeds in longer tests.
What is the performance comparison between the Intel and AMD processors in the Lenovo Pro 7 Series?
-In the Lenovo Pro 7 Series, when both CPUs are fed the same amount of power, they perform almost identically in full core workloads, but the Intel Ultra 7 has a slight edge in lightly threaded scenarios.
How does the Intel Core Ultra Series perform in GPU accelerated rendering compared to the Ryzen 8000 series?
-The Intel Core Ultra Series outperforms the Ryzen 8000 series in GPU accelerated rendering, especially in applications like Premier Pro and Resolve.
What is the recommendation for those in need of a new laptop based on the video's findings?
-The recommendation is to either wait for next year's architectures or buy a discounted 2023 AMD Ryzen 7000 series laptop, as both current architectures are seen as Band-Aid solutions.
Outlines
๐ป Laptop CPU Showdown: Ryzen vs. Intel
The video script introduces a comparison between AMD's Ryzen 8000 series and Intel's Core Ultra Series processors in laptops. The narrator has procured four laptops, two from Asus and two from Lenovo, which are nearly identical except for the CPUs. The Asus Zenbook 14 OLEDs are highlighted for their thin and light form factor, with a 1200p OLED display and 75W battery capacity. The Lenovo Pro 7 Series laptops are mentioned for their potential to showcase more performance. The script also discusses the challenges in comparing CPUs due to differences in laptop designs, such as cooling and power delivery, and how the test aims to control for these variables.
๐ Port Selection and Power Management
This section delves into the differences in port selection and power management between the Intel and AMD laptops. It discusses how Intel's advantage with Thunderbolt is mitigated by AMD's adoption of USB 4. The Asus Zenbook's port configuration is compared to the Lenovo's, with the latter offering a more balanced approach. The script also addresses the power management issues on the Asus Zenbook, where the Intel CPU receives less power than the AMD counterpart, leading to performance disparities. The Lenovo laptops, in contrast, are praised for their consistent power delivery to both Intel and AMD CPUs.
๐ Performance Benchmarks and Real-World Applications
The final paragraph discusses the performance benchmarks and real-world application testing. It reveals that when the CPUs are fed the same power, they perform similarly, but the Intel Ultra 755H shows a slight advantage in full-core workloads. In creator-focused applications, Intel's CPUs lead, and in gaming, while AMD's integrated graphics show promise, Intel's Arc graphics provide a more consistent experience. The narrator concludes that Intel's architecture currently outperforms AMD's in most scenarios, and suggests that buyers might want to consider waiting for the next generation of CPUs instead of purchasing current models.
Mindmap
Keywords
๐กRyzen 8000 Series
๐กIntel Core Ultra Series
๐กBenchmarking
๐กBattery Life
๐กPort Selection
๐กPower Management
๐กThermal Limiter
๐กCreator Applications
๐กIntegrated Graphics
๐กGaming Performance
๐กAI Marketing
Highlights
Comparison between AMD Ryzen 8000 series and Intel Core Ultra Series laptops.
Challenge of finding identical laptop models for AMD and Intel for fair comparison.
Introduction of four laptops: two Asus and two Lenovo, with Intel and AMD processors as the only major difference.
Zenbook 14 OLEDs with 75W battery capacities and 1200p OLED screens for both Intel and AMD models.
Lenovo Pro 7 Series laptops for performance testing, with efforts to keep specifications identical.
Intel Ultra 7 model's $200 premium over AMD device due to a 1 TB SSD.
Battery life testing shows Intel Core Ultra 7 devices outperforming AMD ones.
Port selection comparison, with Intel having an edge due to Thunderbolt 4 connectors.
Benchmarking challenges due to laptop design variability and power management.
Asus's power management issues affecting Intel CPU performance on Zenbook 14.
Lenovo Pro 7 Series provides a true apples-to-apples comparison between Intel and AMD CPUs.
Cinebench results show a virtual dead heat between Intel and AMD CPUs when fed the same power.
Intel CPUs show an advantage in Creator applications over AMD CPUs.
AMD's historical strength in gaming is challenged by Intel's Arc graphics.
Gaming performance results are inconsistent, with both AMD and Intel showing dominance in different games.
Intel's architecture outperforms AMD's in most full core workloads and creator applications.
Recommendation to wait for next-generation architectures from both AMD and Intel for potential buyers.
Advice to research and not base assumptions on one-sided comparisons for laptop purchasing decisions.
Transcripts
all right everybody so in this video I
decided to set out to answer the burning
question for laptop users do you go with
the ryzen 8000 series or the Intel Core
Ultra Series now the main issue that
we've always had with laptop testing is
getting exactly the same models exactly
the same chassis and almost exactly the
same price in both Intel and AMD laptops
has almost been impossible but I think
for this video I've finally figured it
out so what I've got here are four
laptops two from Asus and two from
Lenovo each pair are literal clones of
one another with the only major
difference being two use Intel and the
other two they use AMD on one hand
there's the new Zenbook 14 oleds which
are literal copy pastes of one another
from a specification standpoint right
down to their 75w battery capacities our
Intel Ultra 7 model does get a 1 TB SSD
though which is likely the only thing
contributing to its $200 premium over
the AMD device regardless though both
models off for amazing bang for your
buck they're both ultra thin and come in
under 3 lb so they should be a really
good representation of what each
platform can offer in a true thin and
light form factor in the past we've also
seen a lot of AMD laptops cheaping out
on the screen but here both of them get
the exact same stunning 1200p OLED since
Ultra compact designs like these Zen
books typically cut down on the top end
power that's available to all processors
I wanted something that allowed both
platforms to stretch their legs a little
bit so that fell to the Lenovo Pro 7
Series these are 14-in Creator laptops
that do allow for a lot more performance
than something like the zenbooks and
once again we tried our best to keep the
specifications as identical as possible
or at least as identical as lenovo's
configurator allowed there are some
differences though the AMD Pro 7 uses
ddr5 6400 memory that runs at tighter
timings while the Intel model has a
slower though higher capacity SSD either
way both have basically the same price
when they're similarly configured and
while the models I have use integrated
Graphics here in North America they'll
typically come with a discrete GPU an
RTX 4050 or 4060 on the Intel side and a
3050 on AMD so at least around here the
core Ultra model will always be more
expensive another interesting thing is
that the Intel device comes with a
second SSD slot for additional storage
upgrades while the AMD one doesn't and
you know what you won't need an upgrade
for anytime soon that's this cooler from
Arctic question why is it so cold in
here well I got new coolers installed
turns out they're a little too good
they're meant for computers you know
that right I got them in every room the
price is just too good I guess the large
vrm fans help with cooling yeah plus the
pivoting connection hoses are wonderful
I do love the Styles and different sizes
too the new Arctic freezer 3 aios please
use on CPUs only they are specifically
optimized for LGA 1700 and a54 check
them out below all right have fun with
your freezer
so with all things being equal across
these two pairs of laptops are there any
fundamental quality of life differences
between the ryzen 8000 series and Intel
Core Ultra well the first thing I wanted
to talk about in that respect is battery
life and I have to say this again both
sets of laptops have identical battery
capacities and straight off the Jump we
see the core Ultra 7 devices have an
edge over the AMD ones this isn't
shocking since we've already seen insane
battery numbers from meteor Lake and
this just confirms those findings you
might also be wondering why the Zenbook
with its lower power CPUs and larger
capacity battery is getting worse
battery life than Lenovo well that's
because asus's light load power
management needs a lot of work and that
leads to the Zenbook actually getting
better battery life during YouTube
playback than it did in a light load
scenario we're also seeing the numbers
from the yoga Pro 7 take a massive dive
here since its CPU runs at a typically
higher wattage in the situation either
way Intel's newest processors do have a
distinct battery life Advantage if
anything their lead actually widens by a
fair amount with the zenbooks ultra 755h
getting about 2 and 1/2 hours more than
the AMD device and finally under a more
CPU intensive situation the Intel
systems finally fall behind a bit though
only by a few minutes heavy workloads
tend to just Crush battery life on
Windows laptops so this shouldn't come
as a surprise to anyone another element
that typically gets completely
overlooked in CPU comparisons on laptops
is Port selection because Intel has
always had a distinct Advantage with
Thunderbolt but now that AMD has tied
themselves to USB 4 a lot of that
Advantage is completely gone and if you
look at the Zen books they're pretty
similar both have an HDMI 2.1 output
along with a usba a connector there's
also a couple of USBC connections though
there's one notable difference the AMD
version has two USB type-c connectors
one of which is a USB 4 running at its
maximum of 40 gbits per second while the
other is a USB 3.2 Gen 2 with a top
speed of just 10 gbit per second
unfortunately that USB 4 Port is the
only one that supports full range
charging so if you want the fastest
recharge possible you'll need to
sacrifice your highest bandwidth
connector meanwhile the Intel version
has a pretty serious Edge since it has
two full-speed Thunderbolt 4 connectors
that can run at 40 gbits per second both
of which support full range charging
Lenova has pretty much the same port
layout as the zenbooks but they don't
discriminate between AMD and Intel
instead of going with the core Ultra
platform's full allocation of two
Thunderbolt 4 connectors like Asus did
there's a single tb4 and one USBC rated
at 10 gbits per second honestly I think
that's a huge Miss on their part but at
least the fastest Port here isn't used
for full speed charging but I'm sure
what everybody wants to know is what
about comparative performance well well
that actually didn't go quite as planned
on some of these devices and I think it
deserves a little bit of an explanation
to begin with benchmarking laptop
components isn't as simple as the
desktop side since every device is
uniquely designed around its internal
platform there's huge variability things
like cooling power delivery and even the
size of a laptop can have a massive
impact on how it's internal components
behave and in the past Intel and AMD
laptops typically had very separate
Lanes so they didn't share designs that
fact that they didn't share designs
means that all of the Intel versus AMD
laptop testing that we've conducted and
I'm sure that's out there as well was
influenced by at least a small measure
or sometimes a bigger measure of
platform bias now with this test I was
hoping that we would completely overcome
that we have two sets of laptops that
are virtual clones of one another
thought we were out of the woods but boy
oh boy was I wrong first of all let's
show how the ryzen 7 8840 HS behaves on
a 10-minute full core test on the
Zenbook 14 in its highest performance
mode it hits somewhere between 42 watts
and 39 Watts while being pretty
consistent overall but look at how Asus
handles the ultra
755h over time it just keeps getting fed
less and less power to the point where
it average just 34 Watts during the
whole run that puts it at a distinct
disadvantage since it leads to to
gradually degrading clock speeds in
longer tests versus the AMD systems
absolute stability through the entire
10-minute run and honestly it's hard to
tell why isus is even doing this since
the Intel system is running way below
its maximum temperature whereas the 8840
HS is smashing its face into the
system's 95ยฐ thermal limiter and look
we've talked to Asus until we're blue in
the face we've done troubleshooting with
them and hours and hours and hours of
back and forth and and this hasn't
changed since launch we saw the exact
same thing when the core Ultra Series
was launched on Zenbook 14 months and
months ago so comes down to one of two
possibilities either they are having a
hell of a hard time optimizing for
Intel's new platform or at this point in
time months later they simply don't care
because Lenovo well they're absolutely
on point here power that's identical
from one system to another clock speeds
those are consistent for both Intel and
AMD and temperature Fe they're in check
too actually they're impressive when you
consider both laptops are running their
CPUs above 60 WTS so I guess that
completely sets the stage what we have
here are two very different approaches
to this comparison on one hand we've got
the pro 7 Series which is your true
Apples to Apples comparison between
Intel and AMD with their latest CPUs on
the other hand I'm going to keep the
zenbooks in the charts not because this
is an accur accurate or perfect
representation of what will happen when
Intel lines up against AMD but rather is
a perfect example of what is happening
in the laptop market right now when you
have a completely identical platform on
Intel and AMD and for whatever reason
the manufacturer tends to treat one very
differently from the other I should also
mention that all laptops were tested in
their highest performance modes in order
to display the best that each platform
has to offer and the cinebench results
well they show how different our
conclusion would have been if we'd only
used the zenbooks and called it a day
because when the two CPUs are fed
exactly the same amount of average power
they're in a virtual Dead Heat and an
allcore workload with Intel actually
coming out with a very narrow lead the
interesting thing is that despite being
fed with significantly less power the
155h in the Zenbook is only about 15%
slower than the higher wattage 8840 HS
meanwhile in lightly threaded scenarios
power has less of an effect so we see a
truer comparison with the ultra 7
holding a narrow lead again and in more
realistic rendering and media conversion
scenarios the new Intel CPUs stay in
front of the ryzen 7 when fed with an
equal amount of juice meanwhile numbers
really do flip onto their heads when
otherwise identical laptops have
different amounts of power sent to their
CPUs more lightly threaded programs like
office apps aren't influenced by power
envelopes so overall you get identical
performance regardless of the platform
Intel's biggest Advantage though that is
in Creator focused apps in completely
identical setups the ultra
755h can in some cases offer a
significant speed up over the 8845 and
8840 HS even with that huge power
disadvantage on the Zenbook Intel can
still put up a great fight AMD has also
made some great strides when it comes to
GPU accelerated rendering in NL but so
has Intel and the results in Premier Pro
aren't even close regardless of the
laptop being compared here the same
thing goes for resolve the ryzen 8000
series puts up a decent fight but that's
not enough to beat the kind of
acceleration Intel's Arc brings to the
table so at least in real world
applications from our testing Intel has
at the very least met and in most cases
surpassed what AMD is offering right now
but there is one area that AMD has
historically been a lot stronger in and
that is gaming let's start with three
Mark and here the yoga 7 eyes arc
graphics engine pulls ahead of the AMD
laptop's 78m meanwhile the zenbooks
crazy power limits end up hindering
performance on the Intel side in a big
way moving on to actual gaming and the
results are all over the place
flip-flopping between AMD and Intel
dominance but while Arc is ultra
competitive a lot more than I actually
expected there's some driver limitations
which cause inconsistent 1% lows so a
less fluid gameplay experience and
overall poor performance in some games
also these CPUs need a good amount of
power to Simply deliver a minimally
playable experience so asus's
kneecapping leads to even worse gaming
results and the 155h ends up being
spanked by the 8840 HS and where does
this all lead us and I'm going to be
very critical of AMD again I said this
in a previous video what they've done
with the ryzen 8000 series is simply
take the 7,000 series sprinkle a little
bit of that AI marketing pixie dust on
it and called it a day what that has
done is left the door wide open for
Intel and guess what Boop Here Comes
meteor Lake walking right through that
door because when these two
architectures are lined up against one
another in a true Apples to Apples
comparison with both in the same chassis
and being fed with an identical amount
of power Intel simply has the better
architecture right now they win in most
full core workloads they dominate in
Creator applications and yes they even
have an advantage now in battery life
the only area where they don't have a
leg up yet is igp gaming and just to
bust that assumption that's out there
about AMD being the more affordable
solution that might have been the case
in the past but their laptop platform is
now a lot more compelling and
manufacturers are pricing the laptops
accordingly as a matter of fact if you
set me down right now and you said Mike
you have to choose a laptop architecture
to buy right now I would actually choose
neither of the current generation
architectures from either AMD or Intel
that's simply because both of them are
Band-Aid Solutions meant to carry the
market forward into next year when we're
going to see Zen 5 go up against lunar
lake so what you should be doing if you
absolutely need a laptop right now is
buying a
2023 AMD ryzen 7,000 series laptop and
you're going to be fine for years to
come not only that is that they are
being heavily discounted right now I'm
going to leave some links down below I
also need to mention the Zenbook again
because its results highlight what could
happen at any time in any generation to
either side if a manufacturer optimizes
properly for one CPU architecture and
completely drops the ball on another
this time it was Intel getting shafted
but it could be AMD getting the short
end of the stick on a different laptop
so of course what that means is that do
your research and make sure that your
assumptions about a given laptop or at
least a given architecture aren't made
based on comparisons showing one very
different spec to another and most of
all I think Eber says it best spend
responsibly though this year you might
not want to spend at all on a new laptop
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