Why it feels like we're in a recession (when we're not) | About That
Summary
TLDRDespite signs of a recession, Canada isn't officially in one, according to a new consumer survey. Factors like rising unemployment, business bankruptcies, and cost-of-living challenges point to economic struggles. However, GDP hasn't declined for two consecutive quarters, a key recession indicator. High immigration rates boost total spending, masking per capita declines. This unique situation, dubbed a 'per capita recession,' highlights individual financial struggles despite overall economic stability. Economists expect continued interest rate cuts to address these issues.
Takeaways
- ๐ Canada is not currently in a recession, but nearly two-thirds of Canadians believe the country is or will be in one soon.
- ๐ผ Unemployment is rising, and it's harder for new graduates and immigrants to find jobs.
- ๐๏ธ People are spending less individually, leading to a feeling of economic strain.
- ๐ข Business investments have slowed, and corporate bankruptcies are at their highest since 2008.
- ๐ Despite these recession-like symptoms, Canada's GDP has remained flat, not meeting the technical definition of a recession.
- ๐ Canada's GDP growth per capita is the lowest in the G7, despite having the third-highest overall GDP growth.
- ๐ The rapid population growth, mainly through immigration, has increased demand and inflation, particularly in housing.
- ๐ฐ The Bank of Canada has kept interest rates high to combat inflation, making it harder to cut rates to help with the housing crisis.
- ๐ Experts describe the current situation as a 'per capita recession,' where individual economic circumstances are worsening despite stable GDP.
- ๐ The Bank of Canada is aware of these challenges and has begun cutting rates, with expectations of more cuts to come to alleviate economic pressure.
Q & A
What percentage of Canadians believe the country is in a recession or will be before the end of the year?
-Almost two-thirds of Canadians believe the country is currently in a recession or will be before the end of the year.
What are the common symptoms of a recession mentioned in the script?
-The common symptoms of a recession mentioned are people cutting back on spending, businesses struggling due to a drop in spending, rising bankruptcies, and increasing unemployment rates.
What is the current unemployment rate in Canada according to the script?
-The current unemployment rate in Canada is 6.4%.
Why does the unemployment rate seem significant despite not being very high?
-The unemployment rate is significant because it has increased quickly, coming off a very low rate after the pandemic, which indicates a massive correction in the labor market.
How has the job finding rate changed according to the Bank of Canada's July policy report?
-The job finding rate has shown a significant drop, meaning fewer unemployed people are finding jobs from one month to the next.
How do recent corporate bankruptcy numbers compare to past recessions?
-Corporate bankruptcy numbers are the highest they have been since the recession in 2008.
Why is per capita spending decreasing while total retail spending is rising?
-Per capita spending is decreasing while total retail spending is rising because of a significant increase in population, primarily due to immigration. More people are contributing to overall spending, even if individuals are spending less.
What was the population growth in Canada over the last 12 months?
-Canada added 1.3 million people to the population over the last 12 months, with more than 95% of that growth coming from immigration.
How does the population growth impact the economy and inflation?
-The population growth increases demand, leading to higher prices and inflation. This situation makes it harder for the Bank of Canada to cut interest rates to help with the housing crisis.
What term is used to describe the current economic situation in Canada where GDP is holding steady but individuals are struggling?
-The term used to describe the current economic situation is 'per capita recession,' where the overall GDP is increasing, but individual economic conditions are worsening.
What has been the response of the Bank of Canada to the current economic situation?
-The Bank of Canada has recognized the struggles on a per capita basis and has started to cut interest rates, with expectations for more cuts to help lift the country out of the current economic situation.
Outlines
๐ Canadians' Perception of Recession
Andrew explains that while Canada is not technically in a recession, many Canadians believe they are or soon will be. The video explores the symptoms of a recession such as reduced spending, business struggles, and rising unemployment. Despite these signs, the country has not been in a recession for years, with some economists suggesting Canada is performing better than it feels.
๐ Unemployment and the Job Market
Andrew discusses the rapid increase in unemployment following the pandemic, highlighting a significant drop in the job finding rate. This surge in unemployment mirrors previous recessions, even though Canada is not officially in one. He notes that new graduates and immigrants face difficulties finding jobs, contributing to the perception of a recession.
๐ข Business Struggles and Investment Decline
The video outlines the challenges businesses face, including reduced investments and a rise in corporate bankruptcies, reminiscent of the 2008 recession. Industries like IT and retail are particularly hard-hit, with many jobs migrating elsewhere and numerous store closures. Capital investment remains weak, a common recession indicator.
๐๏ธ Consumer Spending and Economic Output
Andrew shifts focus to consumer spending, revealing a paradox where total retail spending rises due to population growth, despite individual spending declining. This population growth, fueled by immigration, helps maintain overall economic activity. Yet, Canada's GDP growth per capita lags behind other G7 countries, reflecting economic strain on individuals.
๐ Housing Crisis and Inflation
The influx of immigrants exacerbates Canada's housing supply issues, driving up prices and contributing to inflation. The Bank of Canada's high interest rates aimed to curb this inflation. While newcomers boost economic growth, their demand adds inflationary pressure, complicating efforts to address the housing crisis and reduce interest rates.
๐ Understanding the 'Per Capita Recession'
Andrew introduces the concept of a 'per capita recession,' where GDP growth overall appears stable, but individual economic conditions worsen. This term captures the unusual current circumstances, where economic growth does not translate into better living standards for individuals. The Bank of Canada recognizes these struggles, influencing its decision to cut rates in July.
Mindmap
Keywords
๐กRecession
๐กUnemployment
๐กGDP (Gross Domestic Product)
๐กGreat Resignation
๐กJob Finding Rate
๐กCorporate Bankruptcies
๐กRetail Sales
๐กPer Capita Recession
๐กPopulation Growth
๐กInflation
Highlights
Canada is not in a recession right now, despite many Canadians believing otherwise.
Almost two-thirds of Canadians believe the country is currently in a recession or will be before the end of the year.
There is a significant feeling among Canadians that the country has been in a recession for a few years.
Despite the challenging economic conditions, Canada has not officially entered a recession.
Unemployment rate in Canada is 6.4%, which is not extremely high but has risen quickly from a very low rate.
The rapid increase in the unemployment rate is similar to patterns seen in prior recessions.
Corporate bankruptcies in Canada are at their highest levels since the recession of 2008.
Retail sales per capita have been decreasing, indicating that individuals are spending less.
Total retail spending in Canada has been rising due to significant population growth driven by immigration.
Canada's GDP growth has been relatively flat, avoiding the technical definition of a recession.
The increase in population, mainly from immigration, has contributed to overall spending despite individual spending declines.
Canada experienced the third-highest GDP growth in the G7 in 2023, but the lowest GDP growth per capita.
Rapid population growth has led to increased demand and inflation, particularly in the housing market.
Despite rising costs and unemployment, Canada's GDP has remained steady, complicating the recession narrative.
Experts and economists have started using the term 'per capita recession' to describe the current economic situation in Canada.
Transcripts
>> Andrew: CANADA IS NOT IN A
RECESSION RIGHT NOW.
A NEW CONSUMER SURVEY PUBLISHED
FOUND THAT ALMOST TWO THIRD OF
CANADIANS BELIEVE THE COUNTRY IS
CURRENTLY IN ONE OR WILL BE
BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR.
>> IT FEELS LIKE WE'VE BEEN IN A
RECESSION FOR A FEW YEARS.
>> YOU GO TO SCHOOL TO GET A
DEGREE, YOU'RE STILL NOT
GUARANTEED A JOB.
>> THERE'S NO MORE COST OF
LIVING.
THERE'S ONLY COST OF SURVIVING.
>> Andrew: WE KNOW WHAT A
RECESSION LOOK AND FEEL LIKE.
THERE'S LESS.
PEOPLE CUT BACK ON SPENDING.
MONEY IS TIGHTER.
TWO, BUSINESSES STRUGGLE BECAUSE
OF THAT DROP IN SPENDING.
BANKRUPTCIES GO UP.
THREE, EMPLOYMENT RISING.
COMPANIES HIRE LESS OR LAY OFF
THEIR STAFF.
IT'S HARDER TO FIND A JOB IF
YOU'RE LOOKING.
ALL THOSE THINGS ARE TRUE RIGHT
NOW IN 2024.
EXCEPT, AGAIN, WE'RE NOT IN A
RECESSION.
WE HAVEN'T BEEN FOR YEARS.
>> WE HAVE A LOT OF ASPECTS.
ARE WE GOING INTO A RECESSION?
ARE WE IN A RECESSION NOW?
IF FEELS LIKE WE'RE IN ONE.
>> Andrew: SOME ECONOMIST ARGUE
THERE'S SOMETHING UNUSUAL GOING
ON HERE.
MAKING IT SEEM LIKE CANADA IS
DOING BETTER THAN CANADIANS FEEL
LIKE WE ARE.
WHICH ALLOWS US TO ESCAPE THAT
DREADED R-WORD.
RECESSION.
EVEN WHEN ALL THE SIGNS POINTING
TO ONE ARE THERE.
LET ME EXPLAIN.
โช โช
LET'S START WITH ALL THE
RECESSION LIKE SYMPTOMS THAT
WE'RE EXPERIENCING NOW.
FIRST UNEMPLOYMENT.
IT'S NOT THE RATE.
IT'S BY HOW MUCH AND HOW QUICKLY
THAT RATE HAS GONE UP.
>> NOW IN A SITUATION, THE
UNEMPLOYMENT RATE IS 6.4%.
THAT'S NOT THAT HIGH.
THE CONTEXT IS COMING OFF A VERY
LOW RATE.
>> Andrew: COMING OUT OF THE
PANDEMIC IS SEEMS LIKE
BUSINESSES WERE HIRING.
BY MID-2022, CANADA'S
UNEMPLOYMENT RATE HIT A LOW
RATE.
REMEMBER CANADA AND THE U.S.,
THE SO CALLED GREAT RESIGNATION.
>> THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE SWITCHING
THEIR JOBS, CAREERS OR RETIRING.
FROM WHAT WE ARE EXPERIENCING IS
A MASSIVE CORRECTION IN THE
LABOUR MARKET.
>> Andrew: THINGS CHANGED A A
LOT SINCE THEN.
HERE'S A GRAPH FROM THE BANK OF
CANADA'S JULY POLICY REPORT
SHOWING A SIGNIFICANT DROP IN
WHAT THEY CALL THE JOB FINDING
RATE.
WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY, HOW MANY
UNEMPLOYED PEOPLE FIND JOBS FROM
ONE MONTH TO THE NEXT.
>> NEW PEOPLE COMING IN THIS
COUNTRY, GRADUATES FROM HIGH
SCHOOL AND COLLEGE AND
UNIVERSITIES ARE NOT FINDING IT
EASY AT ALL TO FIND WORK.
>> Andrew: THE OVERALL
UNEMPLOYMENT RATE SHOT UP.
ABOUT 1.6% SINCE 2022.
WHICH DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A HUGE
NUMBER.
IN UNEMPLOYMENT TERMS, THAT'S
HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE
NEWLY OUT OF WORK.
>> THE INCREASE IS CONSISTENT
WITH WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN PRIOR
RECESSION.
WE NEVER HAD THE UNEMPLOYMENT
RATE RISE THAT MUCH AND NOT BE A
RECESSION.
>> Andrew: THERE ARE OTHER SIGNS
THAT BUSINESSES ARE TIGHTENING
THEIR BELT.
INVESTMENTS HAVE SLOWED.
A GROWING NUMBER OF BUSINESSES
ARE HITTING ROCK BOTTOM ALL
TOGETHER.
WE HAVEN'T SEEN CORPORATE
BANKRUPTCY NUMBERS THIS HIGH
SINCE THE RECESSION IN 2008.
>> WE LOST A LOT OF JOBS IN I.T.
THEY ARE MIGRATING TO OTHER
PARTS OF THE GLOBE.
MOSTLY DOWN SOUTH.
>> ESPECIALLY IN RETAIL.
A LOT OF OUR FRIENDS ARE GOING
THROUGH A HARD TIME.
WE SAW A LOT OF STORES CLOSE
DOWN.
>> CAPITAL INVESTMENTS IS WEAK.
WE'VE SEEN UPTICK IN BUSINESS.
THAT IS SOMETHING WE SEE IN A
RECESSION.
>> Andrew: LET'S SET JOBS ASIDE
AND CONSIDER HOW MUCH MONEY WE
ALL HAVE TO SPEND.
NOT ENOUGH.
RETAIL NUMBERS TELL US A LOT.
HERE'S WHAT RETAIL SALES HAVE
LOOKED LIKE PER CAPITA OVER THE
PAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
WE HAD TO BE MORE BUDGET
CONSCIOUS
>> HOUSEHOLDS ARE STRETCHED.
THEY ARE HAVING TO MAKE PRETTY
TOUGH CHOICES.
>> TYPICALLY, WHEN WE FEEL THIS
WAY, WE'RE IN A RECESSION.
>> Andrew: YET, THE ACTUAL
OUTPUT OF THE CANADIAN ECONOMY,
THE G.D.P., IT HASN'T TANKED.
IT'S BEEN PRETTY FLAT.
WHICH DOESN'T MEET THE
DEFINITION OF A RECESSION.
GENERALLY, FOR ACTUAL RECESSION
ALARM BELLS TO GO OFF, WE HAVE
TO SEE G.D.P. GROWTH SHRINK FOR
TWO BACK-TO-BACK QUARTERS.
WE'VE COME CLOSE LIKE IF YOU
LOOK AT THE LATTER HALF OF 2023
HERE.
WE SAW ONE NEGATIVE QUARTER
FOLLOWED BY A QUARTER WITH
EXACTLY ZERO GROWTH.
THAT'S AS CLOSE AS IT GETS.
SO FAR WE HAVEN'T SEEN TWO
NEGATIVES IN A ROW.
MEANING, MOST ECONOMIST WOULDN'T
CALL THIS A RECESSION.
>> SO MANY PEOPLE -- BANK OF
CANADA WAS ABLE TO RAISE
INTEREST RATES.
EVERYONE SAYING IF WE'RE NOT IN
A RECESSION, WHY DOES IT FEEL
LIKE THINGS ARE TOUGH NOW?
>> Andrew: WE CAN START TO
UNLOCK THIS MYSTERY BY SHOWING
YOU SOME OF THE MAGIC THAT
HAPPENS UNDER THE HOOD WHEN ALL
OF THESE VERY SMART PEOPLE
CALCULATE.
THE COUNTRY'S G.D.P.
A BIG PART OF THAT INVOLVES
LOOKING AT HOW MUCH CANADIANS
SPEND.
WE SAID, CANADIANS INDIVIDUALLY
ARE SPENDING LESS.
YOU'D EXPECT THE G.D.P. TO
SHRINK.
HERE'S SOMETHING STRANGE.
TOTAL RETAIL SPENDING HAS
ACTUALLY BEEN RISING SINCE 2022.
WHILE THE PER CAPITA SPENDING
HAS BEEN DROPPING.
THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A SECOND.
HOW CAN THESE TWO THINGS BE TRUE
AT THE SAME TIME?
WELL, HERE'S WHAT CANADA'S
POPULATION GROWTH HAS LOOK LIKE.
NOTICE A SPIKE STARTING AROUND
MIDDLE OF 2022.
ACCORDING TO STATISTICS CANADA,
MORE THAN 95%.
OF THAT GROWTH WAS FROM
IMMIGRATION.
>> IN ABSOLUTE TERMS, WE'VE
ADDED 1.3 MILLION PEOPLE TO THE
POPULATION OVER THE LAST 12
MONTHS.
THAT'S SOMETHING CANADA NEVER
DONE.
>> IMMIGRATION, MEANS WE'RE
ADDING WAY MORE CONSUMERS TO THE
ECONOMY.
THOSE PEOPLE ARE ALL SPENDING.
>> Andrew: MORE PEOPLE MEANS
MORE SPENDING OVERALL.
EVEN IF EVERY INDIVIDUAL IS
SPENDING LESS.
YOU CAN THINK OF IT LIKE A
LEMONADE STAND IN A PARK.
IF CUSTOMERS ARE FEELING
STRAPPED AND THEY START CUTTING
BACK, OVERTIME THAT STAND LOSES
MONEY.
MAY BE THEY HIRE FEWER PEOPLE
AND CUT DOWN ON HOURS.
IT STARTS TO FEEL ALMOST
RECESSIONARY.
EXCEPT A WHOLE BUNCH OF NEW
LEMONADE DRINKERS ARRIVED AND
THEY'VE BROUGHT MONEY.
THEY ARE WHAT KEEPS BUSINESSES
AFLOAT.
WITHOUT THEM, THINGS WILL GET
REALLY BAD.
THEY ARE WELCOMED.
MONEY KEEPS CHANGING HANDS.
EVEN IF PEOPLE ON AVERAGE ARE
DRINKING LESS LEMONADE, HAVING
MORE LEMONADE DRINKERS MORE THAN
MAKES UP FOR THAT.
>> IN 2023,
CANADA HAD THE THIRD HIGHEST
G.D.P. GROWTH IN THE G7.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE GROWTH OF
G.D.P. PER CAPITA, CANADA IS
DEAD LAST.
HERE'S THE THING, ADDING MORE
PEOPLE CHANGES THE SYSTEM.
AS THE DEMAND INCREASES, PRICES
GO UP.
THAT'S INFLATION.
THAT SQUEEZES EVERYONE.
AGAIN, THERE'S MORE LEMONADE
BEING SOLD BUT EVERYONE IS
DRINKING LESS.
ACCORDING TO THE EXPERTS WE
SPOKE TO, THAT'S PART OF WHAT
HAPPENED HERE.
ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO
HOUSING.
CANADA WAS ALREADY DEALING WITH
A HOUSING SUPPLY PROBLEM.
WHEN THE POPULATION GREW BY SO
MUCH SO QUICKLY, THE COST OF
HOUSING BECAME EVEN MORE
INFLATED THAN IT ALREADY WAS.
WHICH WE KNOW IS PART OF WHY THE
BANK OF CANADA KEPT INTEREST
RATES SO HIGH FOR SO LONG.
>> YOU DO HAVE HIGH NUMBERS OF
NEWCOMERS CONTRIBUTING TO
ECONOMIC GROWTH.
ON THE OTHER HAND, THE DEMAND
FROM NEWCOMERS IS INFLATIONARY.
THAT MAKES IT HARDER FOR THE
BANK OF CANADA TO CUT INTEREST
RATES TO HELP WITH THE HOUSING
CRISIS.
>> Andrew: WE'RE IN THIS
SITUATION WHERE THE COST OF
LIVING HAS SKYROCKETED.
CONSUMERS ARE STRAPPED.
UNEMPLOYMENT IS RISING AND YET,
WE'RE NOT TECHNICALLY IN A
RECESSION BECAUSE THE G.D.P. IS
HOLDING STEADY.
WHAT DO WE CALL THIS FICKLE
WE'RE IN?
THERE'S NO OFFICIAL NAME FOR IT.
BUT THE UNOFFICIAL TERM THAT'S
BEEN SWIRLING AROUND MORE AND
MORE LATELY IS THAT WE'RE IN A
PER CAPITA RECESSION.
>> I THINK PEOPLE ARE STRUGGLING
TO FIND A DEFINITION TO DESCRIBE
THE CURRENT CIRCUMSTANCES.
THEY ARE SO UNUSUAL.
THIS IS A NEW TERM PER CAPITA
RECESSION THAT'S ENTERED IN OUR
LEXICON.
BASICALLY, SAYS, EVEN THOUGH TOP
LINE G.D.P. IS INCREASING, WHICH
YOU DON'T HAVE IN A RECESSION,
THEY ARE SAYING THAT AT THE
INDIVIDUAL LEVEL, IT'S
DECREASING.
WHICH IS ALIGNED WITH THE
RECESSION.
>> Andrew: HERE'S THE GOOD NEWS,
THE BANK OF CANADA KNOWS ALL OF
THIS IS GOING ON TOO.
THAT ON A PER CAPITA BASIS,
INDIVIDUALS ARE STRUGGLING.
WHETHER OR NOT WE ARE IN A
RECESSION.
ACCORDING TO THE GOVERNOR OF THE
BANK OF CANADA, UNEMPLOYMENT AND
THE NEED FOR GROWTH PLAYED
DIRECTLY INTO THEIR DECISION TO
CUT RATES IN JULY.
EVERY ECONOMIST WE SPOKEN TO
OVER THE PAST MONTH HAS AGREED.
THEY EXPECT THE CUTS TO KEEP
COMING.
THE QUESTION IS WILL THAT BE
ENOUGH TO LIFT US OUT OF THIS
SITUATION?
WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL I
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