Milton Friedman on Self-Interest and the Profit Motive 2of2

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2 Dec 200706:56

Summary

TLDRThe transcript discusses the Ford Pinto case, where the company allegedly knew of a design flaw that could cause the gas tank to explode in a rear-end collision. Ford decided not to install a $13 plastic block due to cost considerations, leading to an estimated 200 deaths per year. The debate centers on the ethical implications of valuing human life against corporate costs, the principle of individual choice in risk-taking, and the role of the government in ensuring consumer safety and information disclosure.

Takeaways

  • πŸš— The Ford Pinto controversy: The script discusses the Ford Pinto's design flaw where the gas tank could explode in a rear-end collision due to the absence of a $13 plastic block.
  • πŸ’‘ Cost vs. Safety: Ford allegedly calculated the cost of installing the safety block versus the cost of potential lives lost, deciding the former was more expensive than the latter.
  • πŸ“ Internal Memo: The script mentions an internal Ford memo that estimated 200 lives would be lost annually due to this design flaw.
  • πŸ’° Economic Calculation: Ford valued a human life at $200,000, calculated the cost of saving lives, and determined it was cheaper to not install the safety blocks.
  • πŸ€” Ethical Dilemma: The discussion raises the question of whether it's ethical for a company to weigh human lives against financial costs.
  • πŸ”’ Questioning the Numbers: The script suggests questioning the validity of Ford's calculations and whether $200,000 was the correct value to place on a life.
  • 🚫 Principle Over Profit: It's argued that no infinite value should be put on an individual life, as resources are finite and must be allocated wisely.
  • πŸ›‘ Balancing Act: The conversation highlights the need to balance principles with practical considerations in decision-making.
  • 🏁 Free Enterprise vs. Regulation: The script touches on the debate over whether the government should regulate corporate practices or let the free market decide.
  • 🚦 Consumer Choice: It's suggested that consumers should have the freedom to decide the level of risk they are willing to accept when purchasing products.
  • 🚨 Transparency and Disclosure: The discussion points out the importance of corporations being transparent about potential risks associated with their products.

Q & A

  • What was the issue with the Ford Pinto's gas tank design?

    -The Ford Pinto had a design flaw where, in the event of a rear-end collision, the gas tank would blow up due to the absence of a $13 plastic block that could have been installed in front of it to prevent such incidents.

  • What was Ford's estimated cost of not installing the plastic block in each car?

    -Ford estimated that the cost of not installing the plastic block would be about 200 lives a year, with each life valued at $200,000, leading to a calculation that the cost of installing the blocks would be more than the cost of saving those lives.

  • How many lives were reportedly lost due to the Ford Pinto's design flaw over seven years?

    -Over the seven years that the Ford Pinto was produced with the known design flaw, over a thousand lives were reportedly lost.

  • What ethical principle is being debated in the script regarding the value of human life?

    -The script debates the ethical principle of whether an infinite value should be put on an individual life versus the cost-benefit analysis that Ford performed, which led to a decision not to implement a safety feature due to its perceived financial implications.

  • What is the counter-argument presented against Ford's decision based on the principle of individual life value?

    -The counter-argument is that Ford should not have prioritized financial considerations over human lives, suggesting that no amount of money should be a factor in decisions that directly impact the safety and lives of individuals.

  • What alternative actions could Ford have taken according to the discussion?

    -Ford could have considered redesigning the car to make the safety feature cheaper or marketed the cars in a different economic bracket to accommodate the cost of the plastic block, ensuring safety without significantly raising the car's price.

  • What is the speaker's stance on the principle of balancing principles?

    -The speaker argues that principles have to be balanced and that it is not acceptable to put a monetary value on human life, suggesting that Ford's decision was not a principled one.

  • What is the speaker's view on the consumer's right to know about the risks associated with a product?

    -The speaker believes that consumers should be free to decide what risks they are willing to bear, implying that Ford should have disclosed the increased risk associated with the Pinto's design flaw.

  • What role does the speaker suggest the government should play in such situations?

    -The speaker suggests that the government should provide courts of law where corporations that deliberately conceal material information can be sued for fraud, emphasizing the importance of transparency and accountability in the market.

  • How does the speaker relate the issue of smoking to the discussion on the Ford Pinto?

    -The speaker uses smoking as an example of individuals knowingly increasing their risk of death and choosing not to pay for reducing that risk, highlighting the complexity of decisions involving personal risk and financial considerations.

  • What is the speaker's final point on the complexity of ethical decisions involving cost and human life?

    -The speaker concludes that such decisions are subtle and sophisticated, and that easy answers are not available. The fundamental principle should be that individuals are free to decide how much they are willing to pay to reduce their chances of death.

Outlines

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πŸš— Ford Pinto Controversy: Ethical and Economic Dilemma

The first paragraph discusses the Ford Pinto controversy, where the company allegedly produced a car with a known design flaw that could cause the gas tank to explode in a rear-end collision. Ford is said to have decided not to install a $13 plastic block due to cost considerations, estimating that the cost of saving lives would be outweighed by the expense of the modification. The discussion delves into the ethical implications of valuing human life against financial cost, with the argument that Ford's decision, while economically rational, may be morally questionable. It also touches upon the broader topic of balancing principles and practicality, including the responsibility of corporations and the right of consumers to be informed about risks.

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πŸ“œ Corporate Responsibility and Consumer Rights

The second paragraph continues the debate on corporate ethics, focusing on the role of government and the legal system in holding corporations accountable for concealing information that could affect consumer safety. It argues that while individuals should have the freedom to decide how much risk they are willing to accept, corporations should not be able to conceal critical safety information. The speaker suggests that the real issue is not about the accuracy of the numbers used by Ford to justify their decision, but rather the principle of whether individuals should be free to make choices about their own safety. The paragraph concludes with a reflection on personal responsibility and the illogical nature of people's willingness to accept certain risks, using smoking as an example.

Mindmap

Keywords

πŸ’‘Ford Pinto

The Ford Pinto was a subcompact car produced by Ford in the 1970s. In the script, it is mentioned as an example of a product with a known safety flaw, where the gas tank could explode in a rear-end collision due to the absence of a $13 plastic block. This is central to the video's theme of ethics in business and the value of human life versus cost.

πŸ’‘safety flaw

A safety flaw refers to a design or manufacturing defect that poses a risk to the user's safety. In the context of the video, the Ford Pinto's safety flaw is the lack of a protective device for the gas tank, which is a critical issue discussed in the debate over corporate responsibility and consumer safety.

πŸ’‘cost-benefit analysis

Cost-benefit analysis is a process used to compare the benefits of a decision against its costs. The script refers to an internal Ford memo that calculated the cost of installing the plastic block versus the cost of potential lives lost, illustrating the ethical dilemma of weighing financial considerations against human safety.

πŸ’‘ethical dilemma

An ethical dilemma is a situation that requires a choice between options that are equally unfavorable. The video discusses the Ford Pinto case as an example of such a dilemma, where the company chose cost savings over potential loss of life, sparking a debate on the ethics of corporate decision-making.

πŸ’‘human life value

The concept of placing a value on human life is a complex and sensitive issue. The script debates whether it is morally acceptable to quantify the value of a life in monetary terms, as Ford did in their cost-benefit analysis, which is central to the video's exploration of ethics in business practices.

πŸ’‘corporate responsibility

Corporate responsibility refers to the idea that companies should be accountable for their actions and the impact they have on society. The script uses the Ford Pinto case to question the extent of a company's responsibility to ensure the safety of its products and the ethical implications of their decisions.

πŸ’‘consumer information

Consumer information is the data provided to potential buyers to make informed decisions. The script suggests that Ford may have been remiss in not disclosing the safety risks of the Pinto, raising questions about the company's transparency and the rights of consumers to know about potential hazards.

πŸ’‘free enterprise system

The free enterprise system is an economic system where businesses operate with minimal government intervention. The script discusses whether the government should intervene to protect consumers from unsafe products, or if the market should self-regulate, reflecting on the balance between freedom and safety in business.

πŸ’‘product liability

Product liability is the legal responsibility a manufacturer has for damages caused by a defective product. The script implies that Ford could have been held liable for the Pinto's safety issues, highlighting the legal implications of corporate decisions and the protection of consumer rights.

πŸ’‘risk assessment

Risk assessment is the process of evaluating the likelihood and potential consequences of an adverse event. The script uses the Ford Pinto as an example to discuss how companies assess and communicate risks to consumers, and the ethical considerations involved in such assessments.

πŸ’‘ethical principles

Ethical principles are the fundamental values and standards that guide moral behavior. The script debates the application of ethical principles in business decisions, questioning whether the value of human life should be considered infinite or subject to cost-benefit analysis, which is a key point in the video's exploration of ethics.

Highlights

Ford knowingly produced the Pinto with a flawed gas tank design that could explode in a rear-end collision.

Ford chose not to install a $13 plastic block that could have prevented the gas tank explosions.

Internal Ford memo estimated 200 lives would be lost per year due to the Pinto's design flaw.

Ford calculated the cost of a life at $200,000 and determined it was cheaper to not fix the defect.

Over seven years, over a thousand lives were lost due to the Ford Pinto's design flaw.

The discussion raises ethical questions about valuing human life in cost-benefit analyses.

The principle that an infinite value should not be put on an individual life was debated.

The importance of balancing principles with practical resource allocation was emphasized.

The argument was made that Ford should have disclosed the risk to consumers to allow them to make an informed choice.

The debate touched on the broader topic of consumer freedom to choose risk levels in products.

The role of government in regulating safety and requiring transparency from corporations was discussed.

The conversation highlighted the complexity and nuances of ethical decision-making in business.

The principle of individual freedom to decide how much to pay for risk reduction was mentioned.

The speaker expressed a personal view that people are often illogical in their willingness to pay for risk reduction.

The example of smoking was given to illustrate people's inconsistent attitudes towards risk and cost.

The need for a more sophisticated approach to ethical dilemmas in business was emphasized.

The conversation concluded that there are no easy answers to ethical questions involving human life and cost.

Transcripts

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have lyov just one more this has to do

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with the the Ford Pinto I'm not sure if

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you're aware of recent revelations that

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have come out about the production of

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that car Ford produced it knowing full

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well that in any rear-end collision the

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gas tank would blow up because they had

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failed to install a 13 dollar plastic

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block in front of the gas tank and ford

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estimated in an internal memo that that

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would cost about 200 lives a year and

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they estimated further that the cost of

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each life would be 200 thousand dollars

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they multiplied and they found that the

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cost of installing those blocks in each

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of the cars would be more than the cost

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of saving those 200 lives and over the

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past seven years the car has been

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produced and over a thousand lives have

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been lost

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seems to me that Ford did what would be

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the right thing according to your policy

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and yet that seems to me to be very

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wrong well let me ask you let's suppose

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it would have cost a billion dollars per

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person should Ford to put them in a

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nonetheless so you're early on Weston

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you know that you're really arguing

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about the print you're not arguing about

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principle your no no no because you

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attend not nobody can take the principle

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nobody can accept the principle that

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that an infinite value should be put on

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an individual life because in order to

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get the money involved in order to get

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the resources involved it's not money in

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order to get the resort they have to

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come from somewhere and you want the

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policy which is maximizes a situation

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overall you cannot accept a situation

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that a million people should starve in

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order to provide one person with a car

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that is completely safe that's

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absolutely right right and there's well

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you're not arguing anything about

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principle you're just asking you're just

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arguing whether Ford used two hundred

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thousand dollars was the right number or

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not no I'm not I suppose it was hundred

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million dollars No

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what was it were $200,000,000 what

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Ford have done two hundred million

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dollars for what suppose it would have

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cost two hundred million dollars per

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life saved should Ford still have spent

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that two hundred million dollars you

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mean put that's not that's not really

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the question yes it is a question yes

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that's the question that's the only

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principle involved I don't know whether

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Ford did the right came to the right

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answer or not what's the question of

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whether these numbers are valid numbers

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for the relative cost of different

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things you're not arguing about a

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principle if you once agree with me that

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have been two hundred million dollars

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the cost per life save it have been two

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hundred million dollars you would not

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argue look let me go back for a moment

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can I say something in response to that

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if Ford had not been able to market

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those cars in the same kind of economic

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bracket because of the price of

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installing this one plastic block that

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would be a different question maybe for

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it could have considered redesigning the

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whole car so as to make it cheaper but

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what we're talking about is balancing

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advantages and balance organs that's

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more us the minute your only time a

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supporter of abortion therefore I don't

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believe that every single human life is

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sacred I believe that principles have to

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be balanced and yet I don't see Ford

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spending $13 less on each car at the

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cost of 200 lives a year as being a

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principal position to take an adventure

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logically there is one fewer life a year

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so that the $13 per car so that that one

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life instead of being 200 times

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what's 200 times 200,000 it's a 40

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million suppose it had been one life of

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year so did it cost 40 million would it

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then have been okay for Ford nothing

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ever did that one life is going to be

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cost because of a physical defect in the

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car this was a clear I know I know I

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know but this is you're evading the

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question of principle no I'm not I'm

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saying that they know before they put

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the car out then there was a mechanic a

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fact you know when you buy a car you

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know that your chance of being killed in

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a Pinto is greater than your chance of

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being killed in a Mack truck no I didn't

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I didn't know that again

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tank with rupture of course it is a

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question

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well we one of us separately in this

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room could at a cost reduce his risk of

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dying tomorrow you don't have to walk

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across the street of course the question

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is is he willing to pay for it and the

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question here he should be raising if he

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wants to raise a question of principle

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we likely have raised is whether Ford

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wasn't required to attach to this car

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the statement we have made this car $13

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cheaper and therefore it is one whatever

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the percentage it is one percent more

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risky for you to buy it but while that

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then he would be arguing a real question

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of principle why should they do that or

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doesn't that interfere with the free

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enterprise system that you're counting

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why not the consumer should be free to

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decide what risky wants to bear if you

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want to pay $13 extra move out

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you should be free to do it but if you

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don't want to throw $50 wait excuse me

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we have to keep it to the audio over

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here so then the government does have

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the right to require information of

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corporation I don't know that right no

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no the government has a right to provide

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courts of law in which corporations that

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deliberately concealed material that is

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relevant can be sued for fraud and made

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to pay very heavy expenses and that is a

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desirable part of the market of course

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what I'm trying to say to you is that

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these things are really a little bit

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more subtle and sophisticated than you

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are at first led to believe there are no

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you can't get easy answers along this

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line because your way of putting it

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really only doesn't really get up the

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fundamental principles involved the real

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fundamental principle is that people

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individually should be free to decide

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how much they're willing to pay for

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reducing the chances of their death now

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people mostly aren't willing to pay very

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much I personally regard this as very

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very illogical I see people on all sides

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of me smoking now there's no doubt

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nobody denies that that increases their

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chance of death I'm not saying they

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shouldn't be free to smoke don't miss of

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them I just think they're fools to do it

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and uh and I know they're fools because

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I quit on the basis of the evidence 18

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years ago but that's the real issue and

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if you want it to be right forward you

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ought to be rated on those terms not on

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the ground that you don't think they use

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the right numbers now look I don't think

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we can keep on going very I'm afraid

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we're going to run out of tape and I'm

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afraid I'm going to run out of voice so

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I think I'll call again

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you

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you

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