AI and Humanity: Navigating the Future
Summary
TLDRSish, a founding engineer at a startup, discusses AI and its potential to transform software development. He explains how AI helps quickly build customized software to solve problems at scale. He believes AI combined with software creates efficient solutions. As an example, AI can analyze complex board games that are impossible for software alone. Sish emphasizes that AI augments human capabilities rather than replaces them. He predicts AI will eliminate routine mental tasks, allowing people to focus on more meaningful work. Overall he's optimistic about AI's impact on jobs, expecting short-term displacement but long-term benefits as new roles emerge designing these AI systems.
Takeaways
- ๐ Sish discusses how AI is fundamentally changing software development and solving problems faster
- ๐ฎ AI is able to build customized software solutions quickly based on specific needs and workflows
- ๐ค AI and software should not be viewed separately; rather AI enhances software capabilities
- ๐ง Sish believes only 10% of his engineering education is actually useful in his current work
- ๐ Sish emphasizes being aware of latest industry trends and having an open mindset to adapt to new technologies
- ๐ก Sish talks about the role internet and open education resources played in shaping his interests and passion
- ๐ Sish highlights that breakthrough innovations are often passion projects that go against the system
- ๐ Sish expects AI to take over repetitive and mentally boring jobs, freeing up human potential
- ๐ Sish foresees AI acting as co-pilots and assistants in decision making roles requiring unbiased judgments
- ๐ช The host is advised to share strong opinions publicly to organically attract podcast guests
Q & A
What is the difference between AI and normal software according to Sish?
-Sish explains that AI helps create software faster and more efficiently to solve problems, while normal software requires manual coding for each new problem or requirement. So AI augments software capabilities.
What does a founding engineer do in a startup?
-A founding engineer plays a key role in a startup, working across functions beyond just engineering such as strategizing with stakeholders, making key decisions etc. They take on more responsibility compared to later employees.
How can professionals adapt to the AI-driven future according to Sish?
-Sish suggests being aware of latest advancements in your domain that leverage AI, and having an open mindset to adapt and leverage these new technologies.
What changes does Sish suggest in the education system?
-Sish advocates moving away from rote learning of outdated concepts in engineering. Instead education should focus more on applying knowledge, building solutions with passion.
How will AI impact jobs according to Sish?
-While some jobs may be disrupted, Sish believes AI will create many new jobs around designing these AI systems. It will enhance jobs by taking over repetitive tasks and freeing up human potential.
What role does Sish envision for AI in governance and policymaking?
-Sish suggests having AI systems as advisors for decision makers like politicians to counter human biases and limitations in processing large amounts of information.
Why does the host want to grow his YouTube subscribers?
-To establish credibility so he can get interviews with education system directors and deans for his podcast interviews.
What advice does Sish give the host regarding YouTube growth?
-Put out interesting opinions online to gain some traction, so stakeholders reach out to be interviewed rather than cold contacting.
What are the pros and cons of the 30 minute podcast format according to Sish?
-Pros are concise, prevents overly long segments. Cons are cannot get too in-depth into any one topic.
When does Sish expect to meet the host in person?
-Sish hopes to meet the host soon in person after the podcast recording.
Outlines
๐ Introducing the guest Sish and starting the conversation
The host introduces the guest Sish, mentioning his academic background and achievements. They begin discussing AI and its potential, comparing it to traditional software. Sish explains how AI is fundamentally helping software solve problems faster rather than being a separate entity.
๐ Explaining the role of a founding engineer
Sish explains what a founding engineer is - someone who joins a startup very early when there is no product or money yet. They take on diverse responsibilities and get more equity than later employees. He shares how his personality fits this role of handling ambiguity but moving fast.
๐ค Rethinking engineering education for an AI future
They discuss how engineering education needs to change to prepare students for an AI future instead of focusing on outdated concepts. Sish advocates for passion-driven learning using internet resources rather than only relying on formal education systems.
๐ AI's impact on jobs and needing an AI co-pilot
Sish shares historical examples demonstrating jobs change but don't disappear with new technologies. He predicts boring repetitive jobs will be taken over by AI, creating demand for roles designing these AI systems. He suggests having an AI assistant for decision-makers to reduce biases.
๐ Advice for improving the YouTube channel
When asked for suggestions to improve his channel, Sish appreciates the diversity of guests but advises having a more memorable name. He suggests putting out opinions to stand out and get prominent guests interested rather than cold outreach.
Mindmap
Keywords
๐กArtificial Intelligence
๐กFounding Engineer
๐กEducation System
๐กInternet Impact
๐กBiases
๐กJob Automation
๐กHistorical Examples
๐กCo-Pilot
๐กRecession Fears
๐กPodcast Improvement
Highlights
AI will create software and software will leverage AI to create more AI
AI is good at creating software customized for each user's needs
Founding engineers have more diverse responsibilities compared to later employees
Education should leverage AI more instead of focusing on old computing concepts
Passion drives creation of great things, not just following system instructions
Internet allows connecting with people globally who share your interests
AI will take over mentally boring and emotionally draining jobs
AI can provide unbiased assistance to decision makers
People from humanities will design AI systems, not just computer scientists
Jobs involving human potential will remain
Initially AI may cause economic recession but long term is positive
AI will make drug discovery 100x more efficient
Podcast name needs to be more memorable
Podcast format allows touching diverse topics
Goal of podcast is connecting with leaders, not just getting views
Transcripts
Hi sish how are you hey hi great man
great
yeah doing good yeah doing good yeah
welcome to SS podcast uh so coming on to
our guest this is sish he completed his
Bachelor from s University that is Sri
wadeshwar University kupati and was a
founder and head of the coding help in
the University itself and he is one of
the finalist of the TCS human ion
finalist in National level a series
contest and product development which
was around 30,000 students participated
from thousand colleges around across
India and currently working as a
founding engineer from work welcome
sadish welcome to SS podcast it's nice
to see you on the other
side it's yeah it's super fun yeah
thanks for the intro and how would you
would like to start this
yeah actually you know I there's a lot
to discuss with you actually I just want
to die with you uh so nowadays there's a
lot of discussion around AI potential
right uh we can see in every field the a
is developing rapidly even in academics
itself while writing articles scientific
articles for research Publications
before itself it was very difficult for
us like editing the text and English
everything now it has even references a
potential have been seeing since two
years in research field how the
potential has been developing so I just
want to know explain this difference
what's difference basically between a
and normal
software
yeah oh yeah okay
you as like I would approach this as
like I don't put them in two different
buckets like software versus a or
differences like that it's like AI will
create software software will leverage
Ai and like to create a if you need
software and like the best uh a there is
also uh so like it's uh the way how we
get things done like fundamentally like
we were able to like you know articulate
our decisions all the mental models and
practices by very structured code very
uh you know like very condition
predefined uh blocks of code and now
what it happens is like the moment you
have an idea and to get that idea into
reality the AI is just like helping you
get it as fast as possible so for every
new sort of uh workflow or problem or uh
you know like need you have with
software like someone doesn't have to
sit with you and create a dedicated
software to you so is something like
it's just good at creating software
right now so so it is able to like
uniquely build software for you so that
is how we put like a is helping software
uh you know like solve all those
problems where like uh it's like very
unscalable right now so if I am as a
engineer solving a problem for one user
using one app and if I have to you know
like solve another problem I will have
to like do it as manually as possible
and then like write all the code
sometimes from scratch so that is
something like a just like simply you
know
uh making sure like whatever we are
doing it just like way faster I me like
I I I can give you my favorite example
uh so there is this game called uh
diplomacy uh it's by uh it's like
diplomacy is like what is like basically
a board game where there will be seven
or eight players and what we have to do
is at the end of the day you will have a
country I will have a country other have
a country and then you have to win the
majority more than 50% of the countries
you have to get it if if we would
approach it by a software where it's
impossible it's like just like there are
like billions of millions of all the
paths that are possible in the game so
that is something software can do and
then humans are natural like you just
practice couple of hours and then you
will get all the things all the tricks
and all so those are things like only
software can do those are mission
critical things for example surgery or
you know like missile guidance all these
things like Precision is really
important and then like you can't know
like let a take control over there like
so like it's like software versus it's
not vers it's like combined together uh
it's just like another efficient way for
us to solve the
problems yeah it's nice but you know I
really doesn't know I have zero
knowledge on this matters like because
my background totally was biology senses
and as I divided latter then so so I but
seeing this potential from a it's really
nice to feel and uh and what's your role
basically as a founding engineer I I I
was listening this ter for the first
time like founding
engineer I made up made up word this is
like to attract I think uh Engineers to
say likey you not just an engineer you
are founding engineer you are important
so like some ego boost but like yeah
like essentially the difference would be
uh coming like if you are an engineer at
a startup versus if you're engineer at a
company so that is like right now for
folks it is very clear like at startups
you know you would be doing a lot of
things uh and you won't be like very
specifically focusing on like uh
implementing One requirement requirement
is basically like let say a screen or a
page or an app or something like that so
in startups it's more like you will be
working with a lot of diverse St holders
uh and then like you will be doing like
a little bit of everything so you won't
be confined basically so that is like
engineering startup but like basically
foring engineer it just a difference in
the timing so you are the company
where there is no money there is no idea
there's no product uh you know like you
just join because you believe in the
team or you believe in the you know like
the passion in them or you believe in
the space right now like that like
nothing will be uh you know like set in
stone like it's a high risk with like a
little bit of reward also obviously
because why would anyone take uh that
much risk so yeah like some mths are
also there like uh founding Engineers
are not co-founders uh you know like we
don't get like uh super Equity also but
like we will get the QD uh much better
than any other employee joining uh in
startups in a later stes let's say like
after getting the funding or after you
know getting that first dollar of
Revenue so yeah it's like personally for
me it just like fits into my personality
like I will get to do like lot of lot of
things I will have fun in this startups
just what's your role like you design
something or you do a kind of stuff or
youy new
things
it's a little bit of everything but not
like design and marketing so that is
something like I'm not proficient in so
even if I do they will be bad but like
some back end some front end uh most but
mostly like let's say 60% would be going
into a yeah like thinking about a
building actual a experiences like that
and yeah so you basically like onto the
every software part as a founding
engineer yeah
it's it's like not because like that's
school or something but it's lack of
resources basically like we wouldn't be
having like you know one dedicated
person just you know like deploying
something like that it's like you will
get to do everything because you have to
do everything and yeah it's just like we
just want to move faster the more people
involved it's uh like you know like
upskilling them training them or you
know like communicating the vision with
them it's just like it will slow down
actually the more number of people you
add into the process early on it will
like just slow how fast you are
executing basically I was in academy
sport a year so my education plays a
vital role I guess in these preparing
individuals for driven future as you
know so the upcoming future will be of
totally when I was in bform I wasn't
known about this future but in during a
drug Discovery process now we had to do
some had to learn stuff about e how the
drug work and everything so what
basically you think how people from
background such as BC or any other like
normal not a professional course so
would take up the
skills that are necessary but the AI
feure right uh it's necessarily nothing
it has to do with a actually it's just
like every new technology we have our
the way we do things the way we learn
some things we just have to unlearn them
so it comes with like some sort of
mindset like hey I just need to be uh
aware of what is going on so in case
let's say in your case you might be like
uh you know have to be aware of all the
recent ml leveraging drug Discovery
papers you know what are the like let's
say what is Silicon Valley doing with
latest drug Discovery things so like
some little bit of awareness but like
just being open like hey this thing
worked well so far but like I have to
adapt no uh and then like it's basically
the learning the specific Technologies
languages all these things doesn't
matter like uh it's just like they will
always change and uh it just like mostly
the Delta will come from you being more
aware and open but like yeah to get into
space
fix yeahor was just want to like Bas so
you did your btech so in your btech you
think that education system must
ad so
that working professional so you might
have some like education system must be
changed like this so that in the future
a driven future is there so I take a
place in the job
market yeah it's like uh we are like
severely under leveraging AI especially
I think like in education we are like
still doing very low level upat low
level
uh you know like practicing low level
things to say
uh uh yeah like basically right now we
just have to be like focusing on like
hey what all can I do how can I make
things better uh and then like we should
start from there uh instead of you know
like me learning something that happened
from 1980s back so that is how like at
least in engineering education is like
you just have to learn what happened in
Computing from from 1980 1990 all those
uh you know like they were fundamentally
impactful things but like those are the
things like I think like I have little I
got little value out of them like all
the education let's say like only 10%
I'm reusing right now and the 10% is
probably because someone with the
passion to change education put them in
the
syllabus
yes I don't believe in this I don't
believe in this University based
education should come from within like
okay so you just say like it has to be
from Passion for a student yeah yeah I
mean like that that's how like nothing
in world is actually came from a system
and then a person trying to know follow
the rules in the system like everything
you see is like that's a beautiful quote
like every beautiful thing you see is a
passion project for someone and they are
not merely you know like following
instructions from a system like whatever
you see like like that partk of that or
a building you appreciated uh or a
beautiful software you you are using to
research like nothing is like okay let
me just do my
job yeah they do out of
passion yeah it's like they they really
have to go against everything that was
said
right we di a lot but like education
yeah I so still I think for an average
uh student coming out uh right now like
I can say I can put myself as an average
person right like till engineering first
year I was not aw like this much of
beautiful resources are there in
Internet so it was like plus one plus
two hosle uh only resource we have is
the immediate teacher you can talk to
and the couple of books you have bought
in second hand and in t especially you
know like it's like they consider it as
like you know some sort of sin to go and
use computer I think like they might
have like time waste or something but we
mostly use it to play games but the
mindset shift happened to me discovering
that like hey there are amazing people
across the globe who share similar
passion to me who like you know like
nerd about the things I only I thought
only I care about so like let's say like
you have a very specific interest none
of you your classmates will you know
like resonate with you but there will be
thousand people across the globe that
only internet can connect so right now
like India like
still a lot uh we have to leverage there
like yeah I think like still people are
discovering like you know corera uh
YouTube
courses open course like lot of courses
are there uh the same with the there are
lot of tools lot of knowledge sharing
happening this this just happening a we
are like seeing the tip right now A I
think personally sucks like you really
can't like you know like uh give a goal
and then like it will help you bring a
research report you have to like you
know manually babyit like every line of
coding but but like we are just just two
years down the line yeah like internet
nothing with actually like yeah of
course yeah like you know like there
is there are like cooler tools that are
purposefully built for your profession
so we just have to like you know like
use and then sit on top of them uh
instead of like going back again to the
roots and then you know like our
University education will basically be
like hey you have to write this thing on
paper from me passing so what your views
on AI on job market so whether it you
think whether it will enhance the job
market or disrupt the job market and
create more
unemploy I will have to borrow this
answer from history lake so there
happened they like what is this there
was uh oil Discovery 189 or something
like that what happened to the jobs that
used to like people who used to ride
horses like yeah they the specific job
had died but then they moved on to
driving cars then came the internet I
don't know the impact of the internet is
like very huge that like a lot of
fundamentally jobs have like changed the
same but like 10 ex that like oil into
10 is internet impact internet impact
into 10 is the a impact like all the
jobs that are you know like very
mentally boring to
do you just have to like you know copy
your research report to excel put them
back back foot mentally boring job are
you know like some jobs are there like
that are emotionally very very very very
hard uh like so those are the jobs I
think
like have to take out of us like all
these things then there are jobs that
like uh let's say like some decision
making or something like that so
something like I personally want is a
co-pilot or you know like e assistant
for all the politicians Etc so you and I
will have biases like the background we
grew up from the religion and the Cults
all that influen with us like
subconsciously like we don't know we
think we have smart but we will have lot
of biases we will have a lot of
emotionally attached things like these
are the things a doesn't have it doesn't
like you know even if you ask it to do a
same thing 10,000 times it won't get B
out of that it won't like try to change
jobs or anything like that there there
are no such things for a so those are
the jobs uh that first I think like it
will create those new jobs so whoever
has to design these systems like bass
free decision making systems so those
will be the people not like the
engineers coming from Computer Sciences
it will be a Humanities people who will
like you know like uh okay now I am
researching how to make best decisions
then they will like okay let me like uh
B this into whatever I learned into a AI
system or it will be the drug Discovery
folks like you know whatever the process
you are doing you will just make it 100x
better by because you can't keep up with
100 papers a day that are getting
released but can just shift them all
through and give you the this is the
paper you have to ignore the rest of
them
yeah but like it will fundamentally
change some of the jobs that are uh that
are not getting used of the best human
potential and I think it's for the best
there will be a setback like 5 years 10
years like human have to adopt and then
like you know like maybe like it will be
very uh recession level set backs but if
we not at that stage like still
yeah that's nice uh so and I have a last
question for you so okay how do you
think I can improve my
channel yeah I
actually I mean
like like lowest B like your channel
name is not
rememberable yeah okay then yeah but
like I try to search then like lot of
other podcast Domin you and then like
they are slightly rememberable but in
general like I believe like since I'm
not a Aid podcast consumer or a podcast
post or something like that I like you
you are smart enough to figure out and
then you just have to do like 100 more
exts to figure out like what is just
just go on like yeah you just say like
just whatever it might be right yeah
just stick to them
yeah yeah obviously yeah I'll try my
best for that yeah it's very nice yeah I
will sorry you were just saying
something yeah I mean like it's it's
cool actually yeah like uh right now
doing couple of things good I think like
the format is very restrictive 30 30
minutes I can get to deep of anything
but like I can barely touch all of them
but it's also a good format because no
one would watch to our podcast and the
other guest I saw like like very diverse
like so that is Al something cool uh
yeah you'll you'll figure
out yeah figure out no actually my
main uh so I not like to get views or
something like subscribers I just want
to connect with individuals so for
example I just need subscribers for
example when I contact with other
directors like educational system
directors or Deans team to studing so
when they will think like yeah this is a
very small Channel I couldn't just
connect with
you I don't get much view so I just need
subscribers and viewers for this content
just to contact with the persons to
bring on yeah that was my main Moto to
learn something from
them oh I think you can borrow the
Playbook of uh you know all these 18
year 20 year old value US based podcasts
what they do is like they go online and
then like they will tweet something
opinions that are super interesting that
they will eventually you know like
resonate with someone and then like they
will connect the
folks uh like hey SI is interesting you
has super opinions he's not hey like let
me just ask him to come on to this
channel that is how it will work like we
not reaching out but like you will you
uh putting the content out there putting
your skin in the game then they will be
like oh damn this person is will go
places I have to like be on the train
first early on like that yeah yeah yeah
yeah nice meeting with you s thanks
thanks once again for coming conneting
with me today yeah hope to see you in
person soon
then see
okay
cool
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