A Dragon Will Come And Kill The Messiah - Confused Christian | Sheikh Mohammed | #SpeakersCorner
Summary
TLDRThe transcript features a theological debate between a Christian and a Muslim discussing the nature of Jesus, his divinity, and differences between Sunni and Shia Islam. The conversation covers topics like God's omniscience, Jesus's crucifixion, and his role as a prophet. The Christian participant brings up the Antichrist, biblical prophecies, and interpretations of scripture, while the Muslim speaker emphasizes Islamic teachings and the Quran. The discussion becomes heated with conflicting views on religious doctrines, ultimately highlighting deep theological differences.
Takeaways
- π God is all-powerful and all-knowing, with independent will.
- π The discussion contrasts the beliefs in Shia and Sunni Islam.
- π The speaker emphasizes the distinction between God's will and Jesus' actions.
- π Jesus chose to die for salvation, but this choice does not equate to being all-powerful.
- π The speaker argues that Jesus cannot be considered God because he was crucified and had limitations.
- π€ There is a debate about Jesus' knowledge of the hour of resurrection, suggesting he is not all-knowing.
- π§ The speaker emphasizes the importance of understanding the concept of God in Islam and Christianity.
- π The conversation touches on the significance of the Quran and the belief in one God in Islam.
- π The speaker mentions the Antichrist and its association with the end times, drawing on Islamic and Christian eschatology.
- π The discussion also highlights the influence of cultural and political factors on religious beliefs, particularly in Iran.
Q & A
What is the main topic of discussion in the script?
-The main topic is the debate between a former Shia Muslim, now a Christian, and another individual about the divinity of Jesus, the concept of God in Christianity and Islam, and the differences between Sunni and Shia beliefs.
What is the Christian perspective on Jesus' divinity discussed in the script?
-The Christian in the script believes Jesus is both God and the Son of God, asserting that Jesus chose to die for the salvation of humanity. However, this view is challenged by the other speaker, who questions Jesus' divinity due to his lack of knowledge about certain things.
How does the speaker challenge the idea of Jesus being all-powerful?
-The speaker questions Jesus' power by asking if he could stop his crucifixion, arguing that if Jesus couldn't stop it, he wasn't all-powerful. This challenges the notion of Jesus as God, who is traditionally considered omnipotent.
What is the significance of the term 'Son of God' in the script?
-The script discusses the term 'Son of God' as a title used for Jesus, Moses, David, and others, suggesting it signifies being a servant or prophet of God rather than a literal sonship or divinity.
How is the concept of the Antichrist mentioned in the script?
-The Antichrist is mentioned as a future figure who will deceive many. There is a debate about his origins and actions, with references to the Antichrist being followed by certain groups, including Jews from Iran, according to the speaker.
What is the main argument against associating partners with God, according to the script?
-The main argument is that associating partners with God (shirk) is considered an unforgivable sin in Islam, as stated in the Quran. Worshiping Jesus as God is seen as an act of shirk by the Muslim speaker.
What are the differences between Sunni and Shia Islam mentioned in the script?
-The script briefly touches on differences, highlighting the speaker's view that Shia Islam does not represent the 'truth' due to a lack of exposure to Sunni teachings. However, specific doctrinal differences are not detailed in the transcript.
What role does the Quran play in the discussion?
-The Quran is used by the Muslim speaker to argue against the divinity of Jesus and to emphasize the belief in one God. The speaker encourages reading the Quran for a better understanding of Islamic teachings.
How is the concept of the Trinity challenged in the script?
-The speaker challenges the Trinity by questioning how Jesus can be part of an all-powerful Godhead when he lacks certain knowledge and power, as demonstrated by his crucifixion and lack of knowledge about the day of judgment.
What is the Christian speaker's view on the role of Jesus in creation?
-The Christian speaker believes that Jesus helped create the universe and that he wrote and obeyed the Commandments, implying a divine role in creation and lawgiving.
Outlines
π£οΈ Discussion on the Concept of God and Jesus in Christianity
The speaker, identified as G (Gasmin), from Iran, who transitioned from Shia Islam to Christianity, discusses the attributes of God, particularly His omnipotence and omniscience. The conversation then delves into whether Jesus, who is considered God in Christianity, possesses these attributes. Questions arise about Jesus' crucifixion, whether it was a choice or forced upon Him, and how this relates to His divine nature and power. The speaker challenges the notion of Jesus being all-powerful if He chose to die and could not prevent His crucifixion.
π€ The Knowledge of Jesus Compared to God the Father
The discussion continues, focusing on the knowledge of Jesus versus God the Father. Jesus' statement that only the Father knows the hour of the end times is highlighted to argue that Jesus is not all-knowing and thus not God. The speaker argues that since Jesus admitted to not knowing certain divine timings, it contradicts the idea of Him being an omniscient deity. The conversation touches on Jesus' human limitations and his divine mission, further emphasizing the confusion around his dual nature as both human and divine.
π Prophets and Their Human Nature
The conversation shifts to the nature of prophets, emphasizing their human qualities. The speaker explains that prophets, including Jesus, were sent by God to experience and understand human life. The argument is made that all prophets, despite being chosen by God, were fundamentally human and not divine. References are made to Biblical figures like Jeremiah, and the speaker stresses that Jesus, born of a virgin and prophesied to come, fits into this category as a human prophet rather than a deity.
βοΈ Differentiating Between True and False Beliefs
The dialogue concludes with a focus on discerning true beliefs from false ones. The speaker critiques the rewriting and alterations of the Bible over centuries, arguing for the authenticity and purity of the Quran. The importance of returning to the original teachings and scriptures is emphasized to avoid idolizing prophets or other figures. The speaker encourages embracing Islam, which they describe as the true submission to God's will, and dismisses misconceptions and mythical elements like dragons associated with other beliefs.
Mindmap
Keywords
π‘Shia
π‘Sunni
π‘God
π‘Jesus
π‘Crucifixion
π‘Holy Spirit
π‘Quran
π‘Antichrist
π‘Prophet
π‘Trinity
Highlights
The speaker engages in a debate about the concept of God, focusing on attributes such as omniscience, omnipotence, and independent will.
The speaker questions the divinity of Jesus based on his crucifixion and lack of power to stop it, suggesting that Jesus chose to die.
A discussion on the difference between Sunni and Shia Islam is briefly mentioned.
The speaker asserts that associating partners with God (Shirk) is unforgivable according to the Quran.
The debate touches on the Commandments, particularly the first one about having no other gods.
Jesus' role and actions, such as creating the universe and giving power to the Holy Spirit, are discussed.
The speaker challenges the claim that Jesus is all-knowing by referencing a Bible passage where Jesus states only the Father knows the hour of judgment.
A discussion on the nature of prophets and their connection to God is introduced.
The speaker argues that Jesus, as a prophet, is not God but a servant of God.
The speaker discusses the belief in Jesus as the Son of God and compares it to other prophets who were also called sons of God.
The speaker emphasizes the concept of monotheism in Islam and the rejection of the Trinity.
The importance of understanding and following the pure form of Islam, free from political influences, is highlighted.
The speaker addresses misconceptions about the Antichrist and clarifies Islamic teachings on the topic.
The speaker advises against idolizing Jesus and stresses the importance of worshiping only one God in Islam.
A call to convert to Islam is made, emphasizing the belief in Jesus as a prophet and servant of God.
Transcripts
so let's use your anal God is the one
who created everything yes
[Applause]
okay uh from you told me what's your
name by the way G Okay gasmin you're
from Iran you said to me you left uh shm
you were Shia I assum yeah where you
Shia
H what Shia and then you became
Christian in this country and I
understand in shm actually it doesn't
serve the truth because you were never
exposed to the Sunni Islam my father was
your father was
Sunni what have you what do you know
about the Sunni the difference between
okay all knowing yes God is all knowing
knows everything yes God has independent
will yeah has independent will which
means go when God decides something it's
that of God no can no one is telling God
what to decide what not to decide yes
you
agree no Jesus tell God right hand side
one one second before we come to the
point yeah let's let's we talk about the
concept of God God all powerful all
knowing has independent will meaning if
he Wills something we'll do it so let's
apply this on Jesus is Jesus all
powerful yes why why would it want to
apply that to
Jesus because if you apply this to the
father you'll find the father is all
powerful if you apply this to the father
you'll find the father is all knowing no
Jesus is crucified I'm asking you is
Jesus all powerful no because he died so
so did he choose to die or he was forced
to Die the people to believe in God I
don't believe in God said crucify him
and kill him no that's not my question
did he choose to die yes he chose to die
so he committed suicide no he said I
will die he said I will die for the
Salvation so that's suicide my salvation
so if someone killed himself for the
others that's suicide he never killed
himself the authorities killed him okay
so if I know did he have the power to
stop them no power so he's not all
powerful not even the father took the
power no so so Jesus so Jesus doesn't
have power so that how how come is you
say God is all powerful and Jesus
doesn't have power how is that what he
did was he said God said this world
needs my son to come and live in this
world so he will put the world as I want
the world to be because after Noah he
said I can't send floods he said I can't
anything else the only I can do is send
Jesus so he send Jesus that's not my
point my point is if Jesus competing I'm
not competing I'm saying to you you
might believe in Allah no let know what
the believe in your I
my no my point is no my point is no us
if you believe in other than God as God
you will never go to to to Paradise why
because Allah Allah Miss clearly in the
Quran Allah will never forgive and
pardon pardon associating with him
partners and Allah will pardon anything
below that so if you worship other than
God then you are committing committing
basically a sh associating with Allah
part so that's why this like a paganism
thing so that's why my point is the
Commandments like Moses mes had the
Commandments first commandment what's
the first commandment we not have any of
the Gods before me okay who's talking
here Jesus God God so now how you put
Jesus now to worship Him Jesus wrote The
Commandments as well one second Jesus
obey the Commandments Jesus created the
universe Jesus created the universe what
is this yeah he did he helped create the
universe
and he h with the Commandments in the
book of okay so was Jesus
God Jesus okay was he God yes he was God
so if he was God how come a God to be
doesn't have
power no he had power he gave power to
the Holy
Trinity that's why people understand
like for example for example for example
is Jesus now here God is all knowing
knows everything yes
is Jesus all
knowing not so so Jesus is not all
knowing that how you describe him to be
God and he doesn't
know he is born in a man like he's born
in man listen listen to this listen to
this when Jesus said when people asked
him when is the hour they asked him when
is the hour he said no one knows about
the hour but the father neither the son
nor the angel the only one knows about
the our is the father so Jesus saying
the son doesn't know about the
hour no problem thank you
brother so so Jesus doesn't know about
the
hour so if Jesus doesn't know about the
hour you cannot use you cannot assume
he's God his holy spirit gives up his
holy spirit all the light in the but but
one second how he gives the Holy Spirit
when the Holy Spirit is with him when he
body on his flesh flesh is gone body
you're so confused you are so confused
see why you
confused a holy spirit that comes out
crci the resurrection before he was
crucified when he was when he was on
when he was on the cross yeah before he
died did he know about the hour hour
he's going to die did he know about the
hour the day of Resurrection the day of
judgment so he doesn't know well without
even when the when the Holy Spirit with
him he didn't know about the so Jesus
doesn't know about the about the
resurrection after you have a
resurrection if you don't have a spirit
you have a spirit before the spirit
before the resurrection I'm talking
about when he was walking on Earth no he
was a super man he didn't know he did
not J so that's why he's not God that's
my
point we we are people are we not are we
not people we are people yeah yeah but
we're not Gods God will not talk to any
other person only people only things God
God talks to prophets yeah he so he
talked to mes he talked to David he
talked to prophets he talked to Muhammad
our and this spirit comes from God the
spirit we have comes from God comes from
God yes yes and Jesus symbolizes the
same thing he looks like he doesn't even
know who his father is he's mared son
he's Jewish yeah that's not my point my
point is if Jesus Is God according to
you how he doesn't know things he
doesn't so he's not God he's born from
his mother so he's not God he doesn't
know anything he doesn't know
okay good so Jesus doesn't know anything
I accept this so that means he's not God
no he's human okay he's a human son of
man and he's Son of God as well so okay
good so Jesus is a human being he's not
God Moses was Son of God sooman was Son
of God children of Israel used to be
children of God do you know what means
son means servant anyone who servant of
God they used to call him Son of God huh
even in
Christianity I don't think Moses was the
son of
No Moses and Adultism is the Son of God
he was not son of he was Abraham was not
the Son of God no actually all the
children of Israel are Son of God all
the children of Israel yeah even Adam
was Son of God no they're Prophet you
see here don't confuse things so when we
talking about son means servants so
children is used to be called children
of God David was Son of God Moses was
Son of God so that's why prophets of God
used to be called sons of God not
necessarily begotten son but rather than
to be sent by God so that's why when
Jesus said the only true God is the
father so that means this is not true
God Jesus is
Lord Son of God he the father he
son son means servant if you believe he
is servant of God than
F you understand my
point okay so he's not
God and a minute ago you said he's God I
said he's a Son of God okay like David
was Son of God and he so he's a human
being he's a prophet and he's a prophet
sent by
God now W who told you
that father he following his father's
foot yes of course where did you get
this from where did you get this
from where did you get this from I get
this from
the Bible you are so confused sister you
are all over the
place mother none of the Christian said
what you said by the
way even Christian they didn't say what
you
say they might not say that because
they're not real Christian you are the
only real Christian no when I when I I
feel like I'm a person okay of course
you're a person of course we know you're
a person I know that
creation fact that God said I will make
a prophet who will be a human being
because he will walk on the so all
prophets there human being he will see
the birds he will hear the birds and he
will know what we go through every day
in our lives yeah that's a
prophet that's a prophet that's not God
God wants to see that all those millions
of years ago people don't care about now
all those millions and millions of years
ago he came to this earth who who came
to his Earth he came to this earth he
born and he died and he did this so that
God can make a
record he did this so God God doesn't
know before
that he other prophets did he know
before
that before Jesus Is God all
knowing listen have you read the
Quran have you read the Quran Jeremiah
they all say there will be a son he will
be born of a virgin his name will be
Emmanuel and he will come to the Earth
noted but that's not uel it's not
Emanuel so is Jesus Emanuel
yes so have you read the Quran
properly listen to the not listen read
list to you have you have transl of the
Quran YouTube
to Jonathan Kane to who Jonathan Kane
who's Jonathan Kane he's this man and
he's on YouTube and he's talking about
Iran my mother's country brother leave
Iran leave Iran regime I'm not talking
about this I'm talking about the Quran
why we I know I know I know but I just
find you want to have you to have Quran
if I take that I have one already what
I'm saying if I convert
ISL then it might be I wouldn't come
I take on board what people say from
these countries yeah I'm from these
countries I would be crazy if I don't
listen to my own culture okay your own I
will tell you something the the problem
is many of the Iranian they left Islam
because of the dictatorship that they
have there and all of these political
movements but actually but actually but
actually because they didn't understand
what's Islam they didn't know what the
pure Islam pure Islam is totally
different pure Islam is to worship this
one God follow the footstep of Muhammad
sah am as the final Prophet not the IMs
and things and the Mull and this and and
these ones not to follow Allah and the
Quran and the authentic of the Prophet
if there's a lot of people in one
country and they all follow one religion
and everybody's going to believe in that
country that that is God on but it
doesn't matter Hitler during his time
people believe this is the true but
that's not true we are in the ukuk we
all believe in religion yeah yeah but
different religion that's why we have to
follow the truth
we have a choice so I said to you I
would choose Islam if I could understand
why man say on YouTube he said that
there's something called an antichrist
or some kind of spirit and he
saidan and the Iranian people are crazy
they want to support Arab world and he
said that this is Antichrist okay and
the church if I answer if I answer you
will you accept
if I answer you will you accept
Dragon if I answer you will you accept
Islam I don't mind it I don't mind it no
don't mind I'm asking you if I answered
you will you accept
Islam I can't the Commandments I
can't listen it's basically the
Antichrist basically the Antichrist will
not come by the way by the way all the
relig as well because I stud
then when you accept it you accept it
sometimes you say do you understand do
you want to listen or do you want to
listen to yourself yeah in Islam by the
way by the way that Hadith that you
mentioned that when Antichrist appears
appears he's not going to come from Iran
when he appears he will be followed by
Jews
Froman Jews who lives there in Iran in
this area they will come wearing the
Talisa they will wear you know with this
garment yeah the Jews who lives in that
area they will follow
him he didn't say peace be upon him the
Antichrist will appear from Iran but he
will work he will work in all Earth only
two places only two places he will not
enter me Medina that's all that's all
and you know you know the people is that
this is it clear is it clear yeah what
did they say you said Antichrist
Antichrist have somebody who's dressed
in some kind of no I didn't say
that you not focusing I'm FOC should I
repeat okay firstly the Antichrist will
not appear from Iran he will appear from
somewhere then he will be followed by
the Jews who lives inasan in Iran and
this area who lives in that area they
will follow him wearing the Garment of
the Jews those are which the prophet he
said you understand so you have one
Antichrist there is one Antichrist
Antichrist Antichrist yes which is that
is the one who will be appear on Earth
and then he will be followed by by many
people and by the Jews some of the Jews
yeah if they did accept it I believe is
Antichrist
who is Antichrist now going back to the
point
so so that's why I answered you now from
this going back to the point Jesus is
not God Jesus is a prophet sent by God
if you agree with this then you are more
more Muslim than Christan I believe in
Jesus as a prophet and messenger of God
he's not God he's a prophet sent by God
Jesus says in the Book of Revelation
there will be the Antichrist how we know
how we know 3,00 years ago listen all
the prophets and Messengers warn the
people against Antichrist that's not the
problem I'm talking about the doctrine
that you are using a a scripture which
was Rewritten how many times in the
history things being changed and added
that's why the first intact you know
Bible it was 300 and something after
Jesus so you don't have original text
there's no original text Jesus spoke
Aramaic where is the Aramaic Bible where
is it doesn't exist so that's why that's
why there is no Aramaic scripture
because of this we said to you go back
to the source the source says Jesus was
sent by God a prophet sent by God that's
all nothing else no more knowledge to be
anything else the thing is when people
start idolizing saying which the
Christian do idolizing Jesus worshiping
Jesus you can't have any other religion
you have to have just Jesus that's when
things go Antichrist that's why we don't
have to do that instead we tell you go
back to Islam Islam means submitting to
God so submit your will to the will of
God and retake your shahad and become
Muslim like us why didn't you do that I
tell you what Jesus important to me who
told you is not important to us he is a
prophet I believe in the dragon dragon
what dragon come on are you
okay Jesus says he's a dragon when he's
on the Cru a dragon and he tries to eat
a baby woman is pregnant gives births
Tri to eat the baby the woman escapes
lives in the come on I think I think
where is this leave the
fight he fights Yahweh wow yeah he does
an archangel Michael comes and takes the
devil the dragon and put him in in his
abys for a thousand years so it's not
just
Antichrist I think I think you need to
you need to see some specialist I can't
deal with no
I'm 66 books and he said only is
Antichrist I never saw a dragon ID I
never saw a dragon except on TV with
kids thing so you see you I think you
watch a lot of movies I think no you
won't see a dragon which movie that you
saw you w't see a dragon a dragon to be
him you me anyone a dragon looks like
all of us thing is people come on please
come on save us from this nonsense think
about listen listen listen take this
take this and read leave all Dragon
nonsense listen listen listen listen
listen listen leave all this
nons I'm telling you there Antichrist
Beast with 666 on their forehead okay
and
Dragons another prostitutes and Bon okay
I wish you all the best thank you so
much thank you you most important thing
is the dragon needs an ays okay thank
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