The Winners & Losers of Melee DPS in The War Within

Summary

This video ranks melee DPS specs in the 'War Within' beta, highlighting Unholy Death Knights, Windwalker Monks, and Fury Warriors as the most fun, while discussing the need for improvements in Rogue and Havoc Demon Hunter specs. The review focuses on the enjoyment of gameplay rotations and the thematic appeal of each class.

Takeaways

• 💀 Unholy Death Knights have been significantly improved in the 'War Within' update, making them feel more fluid and enjoyable to play.
• 🗡️ Unholy's new abilities like 'Festering Scythe' and 'Raay of the Abomination' enhance the gameplay experience by adding more interaction and strategic depth.
• 🏇 The 'Rider of the Apocalypse' talent allows Unholy Death Knights to ride their death chargers permanently in combat, adding a cool thematic element.
• 🌪️ Windwalker Monks continue to be a favorite due to their smooth rotation and satisfying opening combo, which has been further refined in the update.
• 🌟 The 'Conduit of the Celestials' talent for Windwalker Monks provides a unique and engaging gameplay experience by interacting with celestial powers.
• ⚔️ Fury Warriors are described as fast-paced and bursty, with a resource generation that feels almost non-stop, especially during 'Recklessness'.
• 🔨 Arms Warriors, while slower and more methodical, benefit from the 'Colossus Smash' talent, which captures the essence of an Arms Warrior's playstyle.
• 🏴‍☠️ Rogues, particularly Assassination and Subtlety, are criticized for their complexity and homogenization, making them less enjoyable in the current state.
• 🔪 Havoc Demon Hunters have lost some of their unique gameplay elements like the 'Tear Set' from Dragonfly, which made them feel like true glaive masters.
• 🌌 The 'Demonic Surge' talent for Havoc Demon Hunters shows potential but needs clearer visual feedback to enhance the gameplay experience.

Q & A

What significant changes were made to the Unholy Death Knight in the 'War Within' update?

The Unholy Death Knight received a complete overhaul in the 'War Within' update. The class now feels more quick to ramp, with fewer globals needed before damage starts. Unholy blight is now purely passive, and Army of the Dead has been replaced with the summoning of a big old BFA bomb, which cleaves through mobs, applies festering wounds, and diseases.

What is the new mechanic introduced with the Unholy Death Knight's 'Festering Scythe' talent?

The 'Festering Scythe' talent turns the Unholy Death Knight's festering strike into a scythe that cleaves through all enemies in front of them, dealing huge damage and applying wounds to all targets. This mechanic helps in quicker ramp-up of wounds, enabling more frequent use of death and decay and Scourge strike for AOE damage.

How does the 'Rider of the Apocalypse' hero talent enhance the Unholy Death Knight's gameplay?

The 'Rider of the Apocalypse' hero talent allows the Unholy Death Knight to ride their death charger in combat. Additionally, there is a talent that enables the player to permanently ride their death charger in combat while outside, adding a unique and cool aspect to the gameplay.

What changes were made to the Windwalker Monk in the 'War Within' update?

The Windwalker Monk had the button bloat removed from the spec, including the removal of active chi wave, chi burst, and expel harm. This makes the rotation smoother and more fluid. The opening rotation also became more satisfying with the ability to summon spirits and perform a series of powerful kicks.

What are the key aspects of the Windwalker Monk's 'Conduit of the Celestials' hero talent?

The 'Conduit of the Celestials' hero talent allows the Windwalker Monk to be guided by the orus celestials, summoning them all at once and gaining interactions from them, such as increased speed on Fist of Fury. It also has a chance to refund the Monastery Stacks, allowing for potentially continuous use of Blackout Kick.

What are the main characteristics of the Fury Warrior's gameplay in the 'War Within' update?

The Fury Warrior is described as super fast-paced and bursty, with insane resource generation, especially when inside the Recklessness cooldown. The hero talents, such as Mountain's Thunder and Slayer, add visual appeal and powerful effects to the gameplay.

What issues were highlighted with the Arms Warrior's gameplay in the 'War Within' update?

The Arms Warrior's gameplay was noted to be methodical with a slower pace compared to Fury. The main issue highlighted was the need for 'Anger Management' to reduce the cooldown of Avatar for Arms, as being inside Avatar is a visually appealing aspect of the warrior class.

What changes were made to the Rogue class in the 'War Within' update, and what are the concerns?

The Rogue class had a rework that homogenized the specs, making them revolve around stealth windows. Concerns include the need for more differentiation between the specs, especially in terms of gameplay mechanics and hero talents, which are currently seen as underwhelming.

What are the main issues with the Subtlety Rogue's gameplay as described in the script?

The Subtlety Rogue is criticized for having too many cooldowns to manage in the opener, making the rotation complex and potentially overwhelming. Suggestions include reducing the number of cooldowns or combining some into passive abilities.

What are the concerns with the Havoc Demon Hunter's gameplay in the 'War Within' update?

The Havoc Demon Hunter lost the tear set from Dragonfly, which was a significant part of their gameplay. The concerns include the lack of integration of the tier set into the spec's talents and the mobile build using momentum or inertia, which is seen as not being good gameplay design.

Outlines

00:00

🗡️ Unholy Death Knight and Windwalker Monk Impressions

The video script discusses the author's experience with melee DPS classes in the beta of 'The War Within'. The Unholy Death Knight is highlighted for its significant improvements, particularly in ramp-up speed and the new mechanics like the passive Unholy Blight and the Raya Abomination. The author praises the new talent, Festering Scythe, which enhances the AOE damage potential. The Windwalker Monk is also commended for its smooth rotation and the removal of the button bloat, making it more enjoyable. The script also mentions the hero talents for these classes, such as the Unholy Death Knight's ability to permanently ride the death charger and the Windwalker Monk's celestial conduit, which adds a layer of fantasy and fluidity to their gameplay.

05:00

💥 Fury Warrior and Arms Warrior Analysis

The script continues with an analysis of the Fury and Arms Warriors. Fury Warriors are noted for their fast-paced, bursty gameplay, with a focus on the hero talent Mountain's Thunder, which transforms the warrior into a steel titan and enhances their Whirlwind cleave. The Arms Warrior is described as methodical and slower, but with a satisfying playstyle, especially with the Colossus hero talent, which introduces a new ability called Demolish. The author also expresses a desire for changes in the cooldown management of certain abilities and hero talents to improve the fluidity and visual appeal of the classes.

10:01

🔪 Rogue and Havoc Demon Hunter Critique

The final paragraph addresses the state of the Rogue and Havoc Demon Hunter classes. The Rogue is criticized for its homogenized playstyle and the need for more distinct mechanics between its specs. The Assassination spec, in particular, is noted for its complexity and the difficulty in managing multiple abilities simultaneously. Subtlety is highlighted as the most bloated spec with too many cooldowns in its opener. The Havoc Demon Hunter is mentioned as losing its unique gameplay elements from the previous tier set, which made it feel like a true demon hunter. The script concludes by suggesting that the mobile build for Havoc, focusing on momentum, is not well-received and could be detrimental to the spec's performance in challenging content.

Keywords

💡Melee DPS

Melee DPS refers to characters in role-playing games that deal damage primarily through close combat. In the context of this video, the script discusses the enjoyment and effectiveness of different melee DPS classes in the game 'World of Warcraft' during the beta testing phase of the 'War Within' expansion. The term is central to the video's theme, as it is the basis for comparing and ranking the various classes.

💡Unholy Death Knight

The Unholy Death Knight is a class specialization in 'World of Warcraft' known for its ability to spread diseases and summon undead minions to fight alongside the player. In the script, the presenter discusses the changes made to this class in the beta, highlighting improvements to its playstyle and abilities, such as the new 'Festering Scythe' talent and the 'Raay of the Apocalypse' summon, which have made the class more enjoyable to play.

💡Rotation

In the context of MMORPGs, a rotation refers to the sequence of abilities a player uses to maximize damage output or effectiveness in combat. The video script emphasizes the fun and fluidity of different class rotations, such as the Unholy Death Knight's improved ramp-up time and the Windwalker Monk's smooth, non-repetitive rotation.

💡Festering Scythe

Festering Scythe is a talent in the Unholy Death Knight specialization that transforms the player's Festering Strike ability into a scythe that cleave through all enemies, dealing damage and applying wounds. The script praises this talent for its thematic and gameplay impact, as it allows for quicker application of wounds and enhances the player's role as a Necromancer.

💡Windwalker Monk

The Windwalker Monk is another class specialization in 'World of Warcraft' that focuses on fluid, non-repetitive combat rotations. The script describes the Windwalker Monk's playstyle as having been improved in the beta, with the removal of certain abilities that made the rotation clunky, resulting in a more satisfying and smooth gameplay experience.

💡Hero Talents

Hero Talents are special abilities in 'World of Warcraft' that can be chosen by players to enhance their character's abilities further. The script discusses various Hero Talents for different classes, such as the Unholy Death Knight's 'Rider of the Apocalypse' and the Windwalker Monk's 'Conduit of the Celestials,' which add unique and thematic abilities to the gameplay.

💡Fury Warrior

Fury Warriors are known for their fast-paced and bursty combat style in 'World of Warcraft.' The script mentions the Fury Warrior's resource generation and the excitement of using abilities like 'Rampage' and 'Thunderclap,' which contribute to the class's high-speed playstyle and enjoyment.

💡Arms Warrior

The Arms Warrior is another specialization of the Warrior class that is described in the script as methodical and slower-paced compared to Fury. The Arms Warrior's playstyle is characterized by strategic use of abilities and cooldowns, such as 'Demolish,' which is highlighted for its satisfying impact and thematic representation of the class.

💡Rogues

Rogues are a class in 'World of Warcraft' known for their stealth and agility. The script discusses the challenges faced by the Rogue class in the beta, particularly the homogenization of the specs around stealth windows and the complexity of maintaining various abilities and cooldowns, which have made some playstyles less enjoyable.

💡Havoc Demon Hunter

Havoc Demon Hunters are a class in 'World of Warcraft' that specializes in fast, mobile combat. The script notes the loss of the 'Tear Set' from the previous expansion, which allowed for unique gameplay mechanics involving glaives and bleeding targets. The removal of these mechanics has made the Havoc Demon Hunter feel less impactful and enjoyable in the beta.

💡Momentum

Momentum, in the context of the Havoc Demon Hunter, refers to a gameplay mechanic that involves dashing and increasing damage windows. The script criticizes this mechanic for being counterintuitive to the class's playstyle and for creating situations where optimal DPS cannot be achieved due to positioning constraints, thus negatively impacting the player experience.

Highlights

Unholy Death Knight has been completely overhauled in the War Within, fixing issues with slow ramp-up and making the class feel more quick and responsive.

Unholy Blight is now purely passive, improving the class's gameplay.

Army of the Dead has been replaced with Ray Abomination, which interacts more with gameplay and applies diseases, making it more effective than the previous ability.

Festering Scythe is a new talent that turns Festering Strike into a cleave ability, applying wounds to all targets and enhancing the class's AOE damage capabilities.

Unholy Death Knights can now permanently ride their Death Chargers in combat, adding a unique and cool feature to the class.

Windwalker Monk has been streamlined, removing active chi and making the rotation smoother and more fluid.

The opening rotation for Windwalker Monk is satisfying, with a series of abilities that can lead to up to eight stacks of Teachings of the Monastery.

Conduit of the Celestials is a hero talent that enhances the Windwalker Monk's gameplay by refunding Monastery Stacks and allowing for multiple Blackout Kicks.

Fury Warrior is fast-paced and bursty, with a resource generation that feels relentless, especially during Recklessness.

Mountain's Thundar is a visually appealing hero talent for Fury Warriors, transforming them into a steel Titan and dealing area damage with Thunderclaps.

Slayer is another hero talent for Fury Warriors that enhances Bladestorm, making it feel like a powerful whirlwind of destruction.

Arms Warrior still maintains a methodical playstyle, but the Colossus Smash hero talent adds a new layer of excitement with its channeled ability and AOE damage.

Rogues in the War Within have been homogenized, with all specs revolving around stealth windows, which may not be ideal for all players.

Assassination Rogues suffer from complexity in their rotation, making it difficult to manage all the necessary abilities and priorities.

Subtlety Rogues have a bloated rotation with too many cooldowns, making the opener feel clunky and complex.

Havoc Demon Hunters have lost their tear set from Dragonfly, which was a core part of their gameplay, making them feel less impactful in the War Within.

Havoc Demon Hunters could benefit from integrating the tier set from Dragonfly into their talents, but this opportunity has been missed in the War Within.

The mobile build for Havoc Demon Hunters using momentum or inertia has not been well-received, as it can interfere with positioning and survivability in hard content.

Transcripts

I tested every melee DPS on the beta of

the war within and here are some of the

specs I had the most fun with alongside

some specs that still need some help I

want to make it clear that yes although

doing a lot of DPS can be a lot of fun

this video is going to be ranking these

specs on how fun their rotation is so

let's start off with the Unholy death

knight now Unholy is a class that I have

never really got on with before I hated

how slow the class felt rotationally

particularly with the amount of ramp

this class needed before its damage

actually got going in the war Within

Knight's got complete overhaul and this

has fixed everything I disliked about

this spec Unholy now feels infinitely

more quick to ramp with only a few

globals before you get pumping Unholy

blight is now purely passive which is a

big win for the class alongside

replacing Army of the Dead with raay

abomination summoning a big old BFA bomb

to cleave through mobs apply festering

wounds and also apply all your diseases

meaning you don't even have to press

your virent plague in your opener I

vastly prefer this guy to the Army

because he does more than just melee he

actually interacts with your gameplay

Army being an 8 minute cooldown just to

have these ghouls do melee attacks is

wildly underwhelming possibly my

favorite addition to the new Unholy is

festering Scythe though I am in love

with this Talent every 20 wounds you

burst turns your festering strike into a

scythe that Cleaves through all enemies

in front of you dealing huge damage but

most importantly applying wounds to all

Targets this is amazing it's like bio

contagion but better again with the

theme of quicker ramp this means you get

to apply more wounds quicker so that you

can drop your death and Decay and cleave

ver the wounds with Scourge strike for

some of the best AOE damage in the game

and in case you didn't work it out this

also means you're then popping even more

wounds even quicker so you can quickly

then get another festering Scythe the

cycle is great you are literally the

embodiment of a true Necromancer now

spreading disease summoning ghouls

Abominations and even Mages and with the

rider of the apocal hero Talent you are

even joined by The Four Horsemen

thematically this class is wicked with

this hero Talent you can now ride your

death charger in combat but if you enjoy

outdoor content you can pick up the

talent which means you can permanently

yes permanently ride your death charger

in combat while outside now that is just

absurdly cool Unholy is actually spoiled

with two great hero talents though sand

Lane turns your Scourge strike into a

vampiric strike which grants you haste

and ALS o consumes your virulent plague

to deal insane burst damage they can

also summon blood beasts which at first

I thought was going to be some puny

little Shadow fiend looking thing until

I saw this guy Rock up he plays

perfectly into the disease ridden play

style and then explodes the AOE damage

how can you not be in love with the

Unholy death knight next up we have the

wind walker monk this spec has always

been a favorite of mine rotationally the

idea of never using the same button

twice in a row makes for a really smooth

rotation and now the spec just plays

even more fluidly this is mainly thanks

to the button blo being removed from the

spec in the war within we're saying

goodbye to an active chi wve chi burst

expel harm and thank the Lord also bone

dust Brew monk in general has always

suffered from way too many active

buttons that probably puts a lot of

players Off full stop but even once you

learned the spec they just felt clunky

so I'm super glad that it's finally been

trimmed down to add to this fluidity the

opening rotation could not be more

satisfying summons when in your spirits

strike of the wind Lord to duplicate

your damage straight into a channeled

pist of Fury followed by a rising sun

kick into a whirling Dragon punch and

finally into a blackout kick with the

potential of up to eight stacks of

teaching of the monastery making us kick

eight times in the Press of one blackout

kick if this wasn't already fun enough

when hero talented into conduit of the

celestials we gain a good chance of

refunding these Monastery Stacks so we

can potentially blackout kick eight

times press another ability to keep up

hit combo and then instantly blackout

kick eight times again blackout kick

also Cleaves onto two Targets so that's

a total of 48 kicks in two globals not

only is this ridiculously fun it also

deletes mobs I don't know if there is a

more satisfying Loop in the game conduit

of the celestials is a super cool hero

talent that plays perfectly into the

monk fantasy of being Guided by the orus

celestials summoning them all at once

and gaining interactions from them like

increased speed on your Fist of Fury

Channel feels amazing and carries the

more boring hero talent in Shadow pad

the only feedback that I would have for

Celestial conduit is to remove the

channel wind walker already has a

channeled ability as a melee I don't

think it needs another one the last

major dub I want to highlight for the

wind walker is the removal of AOE Touch

of death and how much damage it did I

don't know a single wind walker that

enjoyed this play style trying to snipe

low irrelevant mobs at the end of packs

for most of your damage was just cringe

and I'm glad that it's gone forever

another class that I've been enjoying as

a whole is the warrior we'll start with

Fury which is a super fast-paced and

bursty spec that literally feels like it

never stops its resource generation is

insane especially when inside your

recklessness cooldown pretty much just

pressing one button in between every

Rampage but that's nothing new for the

fury Warrior it's always been incredibly

fast and fun I'm also a big fan of the

hero talents for the warrior in general

Mountain th is probably as visually

appealing as you can get with the

warrior class though I do feel like it

would better sue arms with the

thunderclaps but regardless transforming

into a literal steel Titan and thunder

blasting everything around you with sick

visual effects while dealing big damage

and generating four stacks of Whirlwind

cleave is super rewarding I like that

blizzard understands how GC delock Fury

already is and that we would not be able

to have the spare globals to press an

actual Whirlwind so instead they baked

all of the Whirlwind effects into

Thunderclap the top things off your

random lightning strikes even have a

chance to Grant you avatar for force

seconds which I don't really care for

the extra damage from this it's just so

cool growing into an Iron Giant with

Slayer although I'm kind of over the

whole execute part of the talents there

is one part of the rotation that goes

crazy after three free executes your

Bladestorm will now strike three

additional times I'm not entirely sure

if this actually speeds up your blad

storm or just makes you cast for longer

but wow when you press blad storm now

you literally feel like a Beyblade just

churning through everything around you

it is an unbelievable feeling executing

also reduces the cooldown of your blad

storm which pairs super nicely with

anger management reducing the cooldown

of one of your most fun button presses

in your rotation is a major W let's move

on to the arms Warrior then arms still

feels pretty much the same and although

it's a favorite of the melees I do just

need to get something off of my chest

anger management needs to reduce the

coold down of avatar for arms as this

will L up your cooldowns more fluidly

and being inside Avatar is probably the

coolest thing about being a warrior at

least visually but aside from that armor

still feels super methodical with a

slower play style especially when

compared with fury it's really nice to

have two completely different play

Styles within the same class the part

that props arms up completely for me

though is the Colossus hero talents wow

blizzard have perfectly encapsulated

what an arms Warrior should feel like

with their new ability demolish it's a

quick channel that strikes two times

before slamming the ground for AOE

damage and believe me when when you

press this button you almost feel like

you're charging up this demolish in real

life it is honestly perfect you can

build up the damage of future demolishes

with colossal might and if overcapping

on 10 stacks of this you then start to

reduce your demolish cooldown so you can

feel that chunky button press even

quicker this is honestly one of my

favorite buttons to press in the game so

those were some of the winners now let's

move on to some of the losers the Rogues

are also down bad in the war within

Rogues had a rework not too long ago

that I think homogenized the specs way

too much all of the Rose specs now

revolve around stealth windows and

making the most of them something that I

think only subtlety and maybe

assassination should play around it's a

tricky one because I actually really

enjoy the outlaw crackshot Windows of

not putting your between the eyes on

cool down when it casts from South but I

do think that it needs to change up to

give a different feel to the different

specs Outlaw should be all about upfront

damage rolling the bones for different

Treasures while weaving in pistol shots

like a real pirate oh and blizzard some

how I don't know how but please make it

so that Outlaws damage breakdown isn't

all just blade flurry good luck fake

bound kicks off the super underwhelming

and boring hero talents of Rogue

basically just giving you passive damage

or stats throughout your rotation with

no real control over it when I played

with this on the beta I literally had to

check my hero talents were even enabled

because you do not notice anything even

the Capstone now just gives you agility

yeah cool it might be powerful but apart

from seeing the numbers slightly larger

if you really look nothing is changing

with my game play assassination I think

suffers from too much complexity in its

rotation I know how to play most specs

in the game but Assa is one I've never

grasped a hold of because there is just

so much going on spreading and

maintaining GES and ruptures can

sometimes even be tricky enough in

itself but then we need to maintain

cortic batter on our priority Target

maintain Crimson Tempest use our shiv

death Mark Kings Bane and thisal all at

the right time as well as Vanishing to

increase our Gro damage that we need to

tab t or manually spread don't get me

wrong I'm all up for having more

difficult specs in the game but I do

think that there's a reason that this

spec is one of the least played in the

game death stalker is more of the same

with the hero talents though it's

completely counterintuitive to

assassination as I just stated a lot of

your damage comes from stealth gross due

to the damage amp but for whatever

reason with this hero Talent we are now

applying our marks through Ambush

completely jumbling up our normal

priorities and finally we'll move on to

subtlety this spec in my opinion is

probably the most bloated spec in the

game in terms of rotational buttons at a

base rotation it's relatively simple but

in the openers I literally feel like I

need 9 years of experience on the piano

to hit all the different keybinds at the

right time let me list out all the

cooldowns this spec has and you might

see the problem we have cold blood

thistle tea shuriken tornado

flagellation Shadow blades secret

technique Shadow dance gourm More's bite

and vanish that is nine different

cooldowns to use inside our opener

alongside all of the base rotational

buttons I don't know how sub got to this

point but some of this needs to either

just be flat out removed or baked into a

passive maybe every x amount of shuriken

storms it turns into a shuriken tornado

and maybe you can pair up flagellation

and gouros into one cooldown I don't

care how they do it but this is easily

my biggest problem with this spec right

now the last of the hero talents is the

rck the Rogue which for whatever reason

started off as trying to use faint as a

combo point generator but since then

they realized what a stupid idea this is

and changed it there's clearly a very

creative Dev behind this hero talent

because they are still trying to force

us to use distract in our opener for

extra damage again very interesting but

they apparently weren't creative enough

because the big moment from this hero

Talent is getting a Cuda gra proc which

is just your normal finisher but it

feels even worse because it locks you

out your rotation for the animation like

at least turn the finisher into a death

from above if you're going to lock us

out the last of the melees that need

help in my opinion is the Havoc Demon

Hunter Havoc has unfortunately lost

their tear set from dragonfly that they

had for two seasons in a row because it

was that good constantly Hing out these

glaes that bleed up targets via your

blade dance was super cool gameplay and

you literally felt like a glaive master

bleeding up everything around you with

soul scar all while not even having to

press your actual throat Pro glaive

ability the best part about this tier

set though was the hunt cool down

reduction you got from constantly

tossing out these glaes The Hunt is an

ability that perfectly matches the demon

Hunter's play style it's flashy it makes

you ridiculously mobile and it deals big

damage having access to this cool down

more frequently made you feel like an

actual Demon Hunter that is closing the

gap between themselves and their prey

but all this is gone with the war within

so Havoc just feels kind of down bad

they could have easily baked this into

the specs talents let alone the hero

talents they literally have a hero

Talent completely based around glaves it

seems like they missed the golden

opportunity to integrate this tier set

into the Ali reava talents causing every

x amount of Glades you throw to turn

your glaive into a rava glaive but no

instead we're sto with a completely dull

damage amp B scard is slightly cooler

and has potential but they haven't

capitalized on it yet the demon surge

proc is actually quite sick especially

when you procket from blade dance as the

explosion goes off as soon as you land

the empowered abilities are also an

excellent idea but blizzard needs to

make one simple change to make the

execution also excellent why the hell

aren't the empowered abilities a

different color this is the most obvious

and ideal way to easily make this idea

come to life and feel impactful turn

your eyebeam red or purple or literally

any other color so that we can actually

feel like our ability is fully buffed it

doesn't even need to change our game

play outside of that blizzard is still

intent on this mobile build for Havoc

using momentum or inertia to give you

increased damage windows but I feel like

such a small part of the community

actually enjoy this dashing about in

hard content where positioning is very

important it's just not good gameplay

design yeah it sounds cool in theory but

in practice how many fights are there

where havocs just cannot viably do their

maximum DPS because their Dash will get

them killed Havoc used to be one of my

favorite specs in the game until

momentum came along and I know that I'm

not alone in saying that it's flashy

it's fast-paced and you can turn into a

literal demon for God's sake we don't

need this extra mechanic that just kills

the spec for so many of us but that's it

those are my favorite melee DPS specs as

of right now alongside some of the melee

that still need some love if you guys

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