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Summary

The transcript features a session chaired by an enthusiastic moderator, introducing two historians, Avi Schlaiman and Schlomo Sand, known for challenging dominant narratives on the Israel-Palestine conflict. Schlaiman's work, including 'The Iron Wall', reframes Israel's role in peace negotiations, while Sand's 'The Invention of the Jewish People' questions the origins and identity of Jewish people. Both authors advocate for a reimagined future, beyond historical myths, offering a fresh perspective on a complex and emotionally charged topic.

Takeaways

• 🎤 The session is chaired by a speaker who is excited to be with two prominent figures, Avi Schlaim and Schlomo Sand, known for challenging dominant historical narratives.
• 📚 Avi Schlaim is recognized for his book 'Collusion Across the Jordan' and his work that redefined the narrative of Israel as a victim to one that acknowledges its role in blocking peace possibilities since 1948.
• 🌟 Schlomo Sand has made a significant impact with his intellectual work, particularly focusing on the Israeli intellectual and the concept of 'mythic history' that shapes Israel's self-perception.
• 🔍 Both Schlaim and Sand are described as engaging deeply with historical archives and the writing of history, challenging the traditional making and interpretation of history.
• 🤔 The discussion hints at the problem of denial in Israel's self-narrative, particularly the denial of stories that contradict the established myths about the nation's history.
• 🌱 There is an emphasis on the potential for nations to behave rationally and the optimism for a different future, as suggested by both Schlaim and Sand in their works.
• 📖 Schlaim's latest book is mentioned, indicating a continued exploration of the themes of national behavior and the search for peace.
• 🧩 Sand's argument about the 'expulsion' and 'conversion' in history challenges the traditional understanding of Jewish identity and the concept of a pure nation.
• 💡 Sand's book 'The Invention of the Jewish People' is highlighted as a provocative work that questions the established narratives and myths about Jewish history and identity.
• 🗣️ The session format includes individual presentations by Schlaim and Sand, followed by a conversation led by the chair and an open discussion with the audience.
• 🌟 Both speakers are praised for their 'scandalous thinking,' which is seen as a form of intellectual bravery and a significant contribution to the discourse on Israel and Palestine.

Q & A

What is the significance of the book 'Collusion Across the Jordan' by Avi Shlaim?

The book 'Collusion Across the Jordan' by Avi Shlaim is significant as it is considered one of the founding works of the new history of the Israel-Palestine conflict, challenging dominant historical narratives and offering a fresh perspective on the region's history.

What is the main argument presented in Avi Shlaim's book 'The Iron Wall'?

In 'The Iron Wall', Avi Shlaim argues against the narrative that Israel was an innocent victim of an aggressive and hostile Arab world. Instead, he presents evidence of Israel's obduracy and intransigence in blocking peace possibilities since its inception in 1948.

What is Schlomo Sand known for in the intellectual community?

Schlomo Sand is known for challenging conventional narratives and for his work on the intellectual history, particularly focusing on the Israeli intellectual community and the betrayals of intellectuals in shaping national myths and histories.

What is the central theme of the panel discussion on 'acknowledgment and denial' in the context of Israel-Palestine?

The central theme of the panel discussion is the problem of denial in Israel's self-fashioning, specifically the creation of a mythic history that Israel cannot bear to tell about itself and the impact of this denial on the understanding of the conflict.

What does Avi Shlaim suggest about national behavior in the preface of his new book?

Avi Shlaim suggests that there is comfort in the idea that nations can behave rationally after they have exhausted all other options, indicating a note of optimism that nations, including Israel, can change their behavior for the better.

What is Schlomo Sand's approach to the writing of history?

Schlomo Sand's approach to the writing of history is more focused on the historiography itself, examining how history is written and the narratives that are constructed, rather than the events of history itself.

What is the concept of 'Mythic history' as described by Schlomo Sand?

The concept of 'Mythic history' as described by Schlomo Sand refers to the creation of a national narrative that is not based on factual history but rather on a set of myths and stories that serve to shape and reinforce a nation's identity.

How does Schlomo Sand's work challenge the traditional understanding of the Jewish people?

Schlomo Sand's work challenges the traditional understanding of the Jewish people by arguing that many who consider themselves Jewish today may not be descendants of the ancient Israelites but rather of converted Jews, thus questioning the notion of a pure Jewish nation.

What is the title of Schlomo Sand's book that questions the traditional narrative of the Jewish people?

The title of Schlomo Sand's book that questions the traditional narrative of the Jewish people is 'The Invention of the Jewish People'.

What is the format of the evening's discussion as described in the script?

The format of the evening's discussion includes Avi Shlaim speaking first for 10 minutes, followed by Schlomo Sand speaking for 10 minutes, then a 20-minute conversation facilitated by the chair, and finally an open discussion with the audience.