The Man With 150,000 SEO Domain Names - Kalin Karakehayov Interview

Summary

In this interview, SEO expert Colin Kov discusses the evolution of his domain and PBN business, starting from his frustration with clients to building a large domain database. He shares insights on securing VC funding, the importance of domain names with traffic, and the role of PBNs in SEO. Kov also addresses the impact of AI on domaining and debunks myths around diversifying PBNs, emphasizing the stability of the domain industry over the past 20 years.

Takeaways

• 😀 The interviewee, Colin Kov, started in SEO and domaining in 2008, initially working with clients before moving to more automated methods due to the challenges of client management.
• 🔍 Colin discovered the importance of having a large domain database, which became a competitive advantage, especially for catching expired domains in less competitive niches like country code top-level domains (ccTLDs).
• 💡 After being banned by Google, Colin and his team pivoted to building domain databases and offering enterprise services, eventually securing seed investment from a VC fund.
• 💼 The initial investment pitch to investors was focused on the potential of the domain database to find and resell valuable domains, which was met with skepticism but eventually led to funding.
• 📈 Colin's company experienced significant growth after securing investment, with a notable early client being Jason from Digiity, which helped to validate their business model.
• 🌐 The importance of a good domain name was discussed, with traffic being a significant factor, sometimes even more so than the domain name itself, especially when traffic comes from direct referrals or streaming.
• 🔑 Domain age and its impact on SEO was debated, with Colin suggesting that Google's algorithms may learn from the usage patterns of expired domains rather than having a set rule against them.
• 🌐 The role of AI in the domain industry was questioned, with Colin expressing doubt that AI will significantly change the domain system, given its stability and the slow-moving nature of the domain governing bodies.
• 🛡️ Colin highlighted the importance of diversification in building private blog networks (PBNs), including using different hosting solutions, themes, and CMSs to avoid footprints that could be penalized by search engines.
• 📊 The interview touched on the efficacy of PBNs and links in SEO, with Colin's experience indicating that high-quality PBNs can be effective even if the websites themselves have poor user metrics.
• 👥 Lastly, the interview concluded with Colin offering assistance in the domain community, particularly for those facing issues with domain blacklisting, leveraging his unique name and connections in the industry.

Q & A

What was the initial motivation for the interviewee to start working with domains?

The interviewee started working with domains after finding clients annoying while running an agency. He was looking for ways to learn more with less effort and discovered that working with domains was easier in 2008-2009.

How did the interviewee's company get VC funding?

The company acquired VC funding after building a large domain database and pitching to investors. Initially, they received €50,000 for 12% equity after several pitches, and later received an additional €100,000 for another 10% equity.

What was the role of the interviewee's co-founder in the company's development?

The co-founder, being a skilled developer, joined the team and helped build the domain database, which became a significant competitive advantage for the company.

What was the first major order the company received after starting to catch and resell domains?

The first major order was from Jason, a partner at Digity, for 300 domains, which marked a significant breakthrough for the company.

What are the three factors that make a domain name valuable according to the interviewee?

The three factors are good name, links, and traffic. Some domains may not have links but have traffic from sources like direct referrals or pirate streaming.

How has the domain industry changed in the last 20 years according to the interviewee?

The interviewee believes that the domain industry has not changed significantly in the last 20 years. The system for registering, transferring, and dropping domains remains largely the same.

What is the interviewee's opinion on the importance of domain age and its effect on SEO?

The interviewee believes that domain age's effect on SEO depends on the pool size of expired and non-dropped domains and how they are used. He suggests that machine learning may have found ways to use this data that even Google engineers did not anticipate.

How does the interviewee diversify his PBN (Private Blog Network)?

The interviewee diversifies his PBN by using different hosting solutions, themes, CMS's, and ensuring that the domains are registered to real people to avoid being flagged by Google.

What is the interviewee's view on the effectiveness of PBNs and links in the context of AI and Google updates?

The interviewee believes that PBNs and links will continue to be effective, as the main difference will be in terms of economy and money flows, allowing for more investment in links and domains.

How does the interviewee handle the issue of domain blacklisting?

The interviewee offers to help by contacting people he knows in most domain registries, which may assist in unblocking the domains, although he cannot guarantee success in every case.

What advice does the interviewee give regarding the use of unique domain names in SEO?

The interviewee suggests that having a unique domain name can be beneficial in SEO, as it can make it easier to rank and is less likely to be confused with other sites.

Outlines

00:00

🚀 Startup Journey and SEO Challenges

The speaker discusses their initial venture into web development for clients, which led to the realization of the annoyances of client work. This prompted a shift towards more autonomous projects. The narrative includes the experience of securing venture capital funding in FCO, despite initial investor skepticism. The speaker also touches on the evolution of their business, from dealing with PBNs and SEO to offering a range of domain-related services. The interview highlights the importance of domain databases and the competitive advantage they provided, as well as the challenges faced with Google's indexing and the shift towards more sustainable business models.

05:01

🌐 Domain Name Strategies and Revenue Streams

This paragraph delves into the intricacies of domain name selection and the factors that contribute to a good domain name, such as links, traffic, and brandability. The speaker shares insights into their business model, which includes catching expired domains and reselling them. The discussion also covers the impact of traffic, which surprisingly contributed to a significant portion of their revenue. The speaker provides a nuanced view on the role of domain names in SEO and the importance of leveraging different revenue streams, including direct referrals and organic traffic.

10:03

💡 Insights on Domain Industry and AI's Future Impact

The speaker reflects on the stability of the domain industry over the past two decades, noting that there have been minimal changes to the foundational processes of domain registration and management. They express skepticism about the potential for AI to revolutionize the domain system, arguing that the infrastructure is too entrenched and the stakeholders too diverse for significant shifts. The paragraph also addresses the debate on expired versus aged domains and their efficacy in SEO, suggesting that the machine learning algorithms may inadvertently favor certain types of domains based on historical data.

15:04

🔍 The Role of PBNs and SEO in a Post-AI World

The speaker discusses the ongoing relevance of PBNs (Private Blog Networks) and SEO in the face of AI advancements. They share their perspective on the economic shifts that AI might bring to the industry, suggesting that the focus could shift towards investing more in links and domains due to the reduced cost of content creation. The speaker also addresses the challenges of maintaining a diverse PBN network and the strategies they employ to avoid detection by search engines, such as using different hosting solutions and CMS themes.

20:07

🛡️ Diversification and Best Practices for PBN Networks

This paragraph focuses on strategies for diversifying PBNs to avoid pattern recognition by search engines. The speaker explains their approach to using static HTML and different hosting solutions, which allows for cost-effective management of a large network of PBNs. They also touch on the importance of using different registrars and WHOIS information to maintain the authenticity and diversity of the PBN network. The speaker challenges the notion that having a website on a unique IP is a significant SEO factor, arguing that the internet's natural state involves shared hosting and IP addresses.

🤝 Networking and Support in the Domain Community

The final paragraph highlights the importance of networking within the domain and SEO community. The speaker offers themselves as a resource for those facing issues with domain blacklisting, leveraging their connections within the industry to assist where possible. They also emphasize the benefits of having a unique name in the SEO world and invite interested parties to connect with them via social media platforms like Facebook and LinkedIn for further discussions and assistance.

Keywords

💡SEO

SEO stands for Search Engine Optimization, which is the process of improving the visibility of a website on a search engine's unpaid results. In the video, the guest is an expert in SEO and discusses the impact of domain names on SEO strategies. The term is used to describe the industry in which the guest operates and the type of services his company provides.

💡Domaining

Domaining refers to the practice of acquiring, developing, and selling domain names, typically with the intent of earning revenue from the traffic they generate or their resale value. The video's guest got started in domaining after finding clients to be annoying, preferring a more automated approach to generating income, which is a central theme in the discussion.

💡VC funding

VC stands for Venture Capital, which is a type of financing that entrepreneurs receive from investors in exchange for an equity stake in the company. The script mentions that the guest's company is one of the few in FCO to have received VC funding, highlighting a significant milestone in the company's growth and development.

💡PBNs

PBN stands for Private Blog Network, which is a collection of websites that are used to manipulate search engine rankings by providing backlinks to a target site. The guest discusses his experience with PBNs, including the challenges he faced when Google de-indexed his PBNs, a critical event in his business journey.

💡Domain database

A domain database is a collection of information about domain names, often used for tracking and acquiring expired domains. The guest's company built a large domain database, which became a competitive advantage and a key part of their business model, as they used it to monitor and catch expired domains.

💡Reverse DNS

Reverse DNS is a technique used to map an IP address to a domain name, which can be used for various purposes, including security services. The guest mentions offering reverse DNS security services as part of their enterprise services, indicating a diversification of their business offerings.

💡Traffic

In the context of the internet, traffic refers to the number of visitors a website receives. The script discusses how traffic from certain domains played a significant role in the guest's business success, contributing to about 50% of their revenue, demonstrating the value of domain traffic in their business model.

💡Domain industry

The domain industry encompasses all activities related to the registration, sale, and management of domain names. The guest reflects on the stability of the domain industry over the past 20 years, noting that it has not changed significantly, which is an important context for understanding the enduring nature of the business.

💡TLDs

TLD stands for Top-Level Domain, which is the part of a domain name located to the right of the dot. The script discusses the importance of TLDs and the guest's opinion on their future relevance, suggesting that despite AI advancements, the TLD system is likely to remain integral to the domain industry.

💡AI

AI refers to Artificial Intelligence, which is the simulation of human intelligence in machines. The video discusses the potential impact of AI on the domain industry, with the guest expressing skepticism about drastic changes, indicating a belief in the resilience of the current domain system against technological shifts.

💡Expired domains

Expired domains are those that have not been renewed by their owners and are now available for registration. The guest's company focused on catching expired domains as part of their business strategy, which is a key aspect of their service offering and a point of discussion in the script.

Highlights

The interviewee started with website development for clients but found clients annoying and sought more efficient ways to work, leading to domain and SEO work.

In 2008, the interviewee began with SEO and content projects, and after being personally targeted by Google, pivoted to domain database building and monitoring.

The company acquired VC funding after several pitches, emphasizing their large domain database and potential for enterprise services.

Domains with traffic, even from direct referrals or pirate streaming, played a significant role in the company's success, contributing to about 50% of their revenue.

The importance of good domain names is discussed, with a combination of good name, links, and traffic being ideal.

The interviewee believes that domain relevancy in languages other than English may not be as significant to Google's algorithms.

Domain age and expiration might affect their efficacy in Google's search results, but it's more about how they are used rather than the dates themselves.

Having a domain with a history of a large number of indexed pages can be beneficial for quickly reindexing a large website.

The interviewee doubts that AI will significantly change the domain industry, which has remained stable for the last 20 years.

The impact of AI on link building and PBNs is discussed, with the interviewee suggesting that economic factors may change rather than the efficacy of the links.

High-quality PBNs are described as websites restored from the archive with potential for high organic traffic, despite often poor user experience.

Diversifying PBNs involves using different hosting solutions, themes, CMS's, and ensuring privacy in domain registration.

The interviewee argues against the necessity of unique IP addresses for SEO hosting, suggesting it's an unnecessary cost.

The interviewee's unique name is highlighted as an advantage in SEO, making him easily findable online.

The interview concludes with the interviewee offering help with domain blacklisting issues through his connections in domain registries.

Transcripts

I started doing websites for a while as

an agency thing doing for clients but

discovered only within one year that

plans are so annoying you're one of the

few companies in FCO that have got VC

funding we have huge domain database uh

we're going to offer service reverse

quiz reverse DNS Security Services stuff

like this investor were like we don't

understand about this what makes a

really good domain name traffic has been

for some part of our journey about 50%

of Revenue do you know what has changed

in the domain industry for the last for

20 years not a whole lot of

[Music]

things hey guys and welcome back to the

channel and welcome back to another

episode where I'll be interviewing SEO

entrepreneurs and experts from around

the world in today's episode we've got

an OG in the SEO scene he currently

employs over 120 people he runs one of

Bulgaria's biggest startups he has an

awesome domain name wink wink and he has

recently been selling pbns and links

please welcome to the channel Colin kov

ladies and gentlemen K yeah

close I know yeah thanks for giving me I

appreciate you coming on and sorry if I

butchered your name there slightly I I

tried to uh tried to preempt it there

but it it totally butchered it when it

came out um do you want to give people a

bit of a background into who you are and

how you got started in Su and

domaining yeah it was uh

2008 uh I started doing websites for a

while as an agency thing doing for

clients but uh discovered only within

one year that clients are so annoying so

I was searching for ways that uh I can I

can learn more for for Less effort Theo

was really easy back then 20089 so yeah

I work with clients and some content

projects in Bulgarian and then uh

started hiring people

scaling and in uh

201 14 I think 134 I had the same

experience you had I got personally

targeted by

Google got every everything I own the

index like pbn normal website everything

like everything that was on my quiz was

gone damn yeah it seems to be a more

common theme now that more people are

Google's got an enemy as a hit list

they're going after and they definitely

seem to be fulfilling it so you're one

of the few companies in FCO that have

got VC funding I know there's a few

others like you have like market news

out of Romania and you got white press

out of Poland and things but how did you

go about acquiring that investment in

the first place when I got banned by

Google uh I started for searching for

ways to get more cheaper and better

domains for the pbn because I had more

than a thousand pbn the index so I

started building uh databases of all

domains that exist so we can uh so I

could um monitor expired domains catch

them this was easy back then and there

were less public list so especially in

the cctlds uh the need to have a

database was was very important and was

a huge competitive Advantage uh that

when my co-founder method joined the

team he's a very good developer and uh

yeah so we built this database started

to monitor domains but uh we were going

to offer

some uh Enterprise service like domain

tools because we have the second largest

domain database and then we uh we went

to to a it's a VC fund but it's more

like seed preed because it was a very

small amount of money only 50 50,000 EUR

but still for us it seemed like a ton

because in Bulgaria everything is cheap

so and we were a very small team and we

went to the investors and we pitched

three times for first two first two

times they were just training pitches

and uh we were like okay we have huge

domain database uh we're going to offer

service reverse who reverse DNS Security

Services stuff like this investors were

like we don't understand about this

so first presentation was seos need

domains and we can find them and catch

them and resell them and this is like

some Market they were like okay let's at

least we see how this leads to to the

money you know how you can grow based on

something more than dreams so yeah we

were a bit surprised but we got uh

50,000 Euro for 12% then a year later we

had burn for the money didn't had much

progress he figuring what what we are

doing but since uh the money comes from

uh from Jer Jeremy the European

investment fund

so it's not their money and they have

some that they have to spend so it's

better for them to to double down then

give up so they gave us 100,000 more for

another 10% and uh the next year we

started catching domains in many TS

reselling uh finding uh uh

buyers actually uh our first uh big uh

buyer was uh Jason Jason kpu's M mat

partner I was like I was just starting

to learn who is who it was I think 2016

and got an order for 300 or something

and uh I was chatting with this Jason

guy on Skype didn't know who he was and

and then I sent an invoice and says uh

the inv said M digity I was

like just made a big

break 100% yeah J Jason's crazy when it

comes to operational management and

scaling and things and stuff I think he

I think he's probably the next person

actually you've just kind of given me an

insight there into who I should probably

invite next on the show so I'll

definitely try and get Jason involved um

when all all the way back then were they

just mostly using that for pbn domains

and come of the whole digity

links yeah I'm not sure if it went into

digity links because there was cctlds uh

dity links was maybe maybe some side

projects but there yeah everything went

into pbn yeah I thought so okay cool so

apart from obviously the the cost being

very affordable what makes a really good

domain name according to Ken

uh it can be three things or a

combination good name links and traffic

some domains don't have uh don't have

links but have traffic and it doesn't

come from organic like we all used to

but it's coming from director referral

mostly pirate streaming this this have

played a big role in our in our success

because um when we catch when we invest

into catching infrastructure in scripts

and developers and accreditations we

need to to catch uh all of the good

domains to to make the return on

investments and SEO domains is one thing

the names are very competitive because

all the domainers try to catch them but

traffic is a bit in the middle some

domains know traffic well others don't

most don't actually so traffic has been

for some parts of our journey about 50%

of Revenue which is quite uh unex it

played an unexpectedly big part SEO

domains uh are now the the biggest part

then comes traffic and then comes names

wow okay that makes it it makes a lot of

sense actually I do know a lot of domain

sellers that always say look if you're

holding domain names put a landing page

on it and get some Revenue generating

off of it right if you're just going to

hold on to domain names and not let them

make you money then you're wasting money

right um so in terms of uh domain name

relevancy obviously in English it

matters quite a lot and Google's gotten

better at uh understanding NLP and all

these ml algorithms and things kind of

contextually under understanding

semantic relevancy um does relevancy

match at domain level as much outside of

English I think in some other languages

that Google will understand well maybe

top 10 other languages it will have some

significance but the more weird language

is and especially if in some weird

alphabet like Thai or Japanese or

Chinese then Google won't understand the

thing I think about relevancy um because

uh it's quite hard it's another word to

to crack it there I think for the for

the algorithms and the Machine learning

and everything yeah 100% it's a lot of

like correlation based stuff rather than

actually being semantically relevant and

stuff um so do when a domain when

domains drop and and kind of get reset

in terms of their age does that affect

their efficacy in Google obviously over

time we've had this massive debate

between expire domains versus age

domains in my I have a very clear

opinion on this um do does does domain

age and that kind of expiration affects

the efficacy in

Google I think it depends on how big the

pools are of uh of uh the expired ones

and the non- drop ones and how are they

used and I don't think it's that

something uh something Google put there

manually but rather the machine learning

learn to use the quiz data in some ways

that probably the the Google Engineers

didn't even think it it could be useful

because not only the drop date I know

case studies that affected but also if

the domain was name right where the drop

catch domains go the drop once it it was

a bad signal According to some people

and this is definitely not something I

think a Google engineer will put in the

algorithm like literally look for this

regist so I think the machine learning

was just finding uh new data points but

I think that maybe for some time there

was a lot of usage of drop domains for

something like like nowadays for example

Indonesian uh I gaming

Casino guys they go through go auctions

and take hundreds of domains per day and

they all turn to Turn and Burn

Indonesian money site so if something

that large scale is going on is going to

uh put like a bump in the grph and the

distributions and then maybe the

algorithm will do some countermeasure

but if it's uh done in moderation uh I

don't think that it will play an

important role I think if there was any

role it will get smaller over time as

more and more normal domains of normal

people drop and get used because there's

no good domains available so I don't

think that Google will have a different

algorithm for a domain with five links

that drops naturally and get

re-registered naturally and the 500 link

domain that drops and gets re-registered

by SEO for money site so I think it's

all about the the pool size the

distributions uh there's definitely

something there uh the ccts that we do

they uh they don't have a

easy creation date in who or it's harder

for Google to pull so I think they're

completely safe uh so if you get like a

d domain and use it in Germany you

definitely say that it's going to be

treated as a non- drop domain uh but for

the Doom maybe some effect still not

sure yeah so so a lot of domainers have

said that they prefer to rely on

Google's cast than Google then Google's

who is right in terms of their ability

to kind of look into the site's history

do you put much into Google uh looking

at its old cach Pages at the in terms of

its updated variations in terms of you

know if you have got a domain and it had

a website on it a year ago and you put a

pbn on it is that going to be effective

because Google's cash still has that

site from a year ago in the cash what I

know is that for a very big money site

especially this ambitious AI project uh

like the con houseal and stuff it's very

important if you want to index a lot of

pages to have uh the domain that

previously had a lot of pages index it

may no longer have them in the index

maybe only uh had 100,000 Pages now it

may have 100 but it very quick to go for

uh to 100,000 again because it somehow

has the the big craw budget still uh

still there so this is something that

definitely is important if you're uh

doing something big but I think for pbn

or 301s it's it's irrelevant whether

whether the domain was dropped or has

something index it's only for money

sites where it's more relevant the

transition from what was there before to

what is there

now and so how do you think domains are

going to be affected by AI right so some

people think that AI is going to remove

the TLD system from the world and that

we're going to have some weird scraping

system which I don't see coming to

fruition at all I still think that

you're going to need the TLD system even

in terms of like a prioritization system

where that the MLS and Argos can kind of

prioritize source domains how do you

think AI is going to affect domaining

going

forward uh I'm going to answer with a

question do you know what has changed in

the domain industry for the last 20

years not a whole lot of things nothing

like nothing at all is the most stable

thing in the internet actually uh

domains have been registered transferred

drop and all of this is uh standardized

uh and yeah nothing is really changing

some country may do some small changes

with their TLD but uh the system is uh

built to be uh to perform in the only

way that it can possibly exist and

perform big changes are impossible

because there are so many like stacked

players there as a registry and the

regist there are thousands of Icon

register if you make a change for the

Doom 4,000 different independent company

must apply the change and some of them

have resellers so the resellers to have

to implement the change it's just

impossible so um also ion the the

organization that runs domains is a it's

like a big politically involved uh NGO

and it's a multi-stakeholder model this

means that uh private companies have a

say and uh small businesses have a say

and the government has a say and like

NSA and FBI have has a say so nothing

gets done there because everyone has a

say like everyone can be to everything

and just put everything into like Philly

busty to to to end this discussion so

it's it's the most one of the most I

think slow moving organizations on the

planet so the system is slow moving and

the organization behind it is slow

moving so it's just nothing is happening

and I don't think that AI has anything

to do with the doain Swit at the real

estate of of the internet yeah it's

great news for you when things don't

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uh generally work they are mostly

homepage link so what we have is a high

quality BBN which means website restored

from the archive with every page they

possibly got on the archive from every

day so 100 to thousands of pages per

website um unfortunately Google doesn't

reward this website with a lot of

organic traffic because their own page

is terrible no keyword optimization like

no decent titles headings they're not

mob

friendly yeah they're just very very old

so websites from 15 years ago um I think

the biggest problem is that they're not

mobile friendly and that uh whoever

person get there was like oh I went into

a time machine and just closes the

website so uh so the all the like user

metrics will probably also be terrible

and yeah Google with some exceptions

Google won't rank you know they index

perfectly the links give value but

they're not ranked and and I think this

also dis the myth that you need to uh to

have a website with traffic for the link

to to move the needle because uh our

websites most of them don't have any

traffic but uh all of the buyers are

super happy so definitely the links work

yeah 100% we build links off of you know

d9s and stuff all the time off of Niche

edits and those pages don't have traffic

but the site has 100 million visitors

right and those links work significantly

better than you know dr10 that maybe

that page itself has got 10,000 visits a

month from Google but the dr90 is so

much more effective that it's it's

piling on significantly more even with

the traffic here right um so in terms of

building these pbns because you've got

such a large pbn Network how do you go

about diversifying it um you must build

a lot of different hosting Solutions a

lot of different themes cms's what you

said you rebuild a lot of stuff there so

that probably removes a lot of the leg

work around rebuilding websites and

stuff um but how do you go about

especially diversifying those pbns when

you're

building uh so uh there's uh several

points to diversifying uh if you use

WordPress to making classical pbn you

need different WordPress themes and not

having the same plugins Etc on the same

website we don't use WordPress we uh

restore with arival to static HTML uh

this makes uh placing the links later a

little bit more annoying but then you

can use uh uh cheaper hosting or your

own server uh you can just uh put qual

Clare different qual Clare accounts you

can make as many of them as you want

they're free uh on top and you can have

uh basically just a few servers or a few

shared costing and a lot of qual play I

think qual play now cost it cost such a

big portion of the internet that it's

safe to have 80% qual player maybe 20%

something else so just leaving the the

hosting DNS um The Whiz is now gone

after gdpr so that's not a concern even

keeping the domain on the same

register if there are not like all

thousands of domains in the same

register in this case I would prefer

using like five or 10 registers but if

you have 50 domains on the same register

I think it doesn't matter uh Google uses

for qu is the API of domain tools which

which doesn't really have uh the this

this function to pull all all of the

domains on the same register with the

same easy query as pulling all of the

domains on the same quiz I don't think

that's a big concern so you always

register your pbn domains on a private

person real person because you might get

checked with sending uh real person real

address because you might get ask ID

card and utility bill uh but uh and then

it will always be private if it's a

company it depends on the register some

regar say how it's the company so gdpr

doesn't matter so they will show the the

owner and once the owner is out it's a

problem because Google can see this via

the domain TOS API uh all of the domains

on the same company reverse ownership so

then then you in danger uh but yeah

different uh different website different

who different name servers and I think

you are safe even if the IP the IPS

below the the cloud flare are more or

less groups like not not completely the

same but not completely different I

think it's fine I told also think that

the SEO hosting business is is is is

just selling snake because having all of

your websites on on different IP is not

how the most of the internet works most

of the the websites are on shared

hosting website Builders they are on the

same IPS I don't know if it's still the

same but when I last checked all of the

websites on Shopify were on one

IP like millions of websites so so yeah

the internet is not really natural to to

have everything on a SE on a second I so

this servers is actually people selling

you a fingerprint I don't think that it

will ever become a problem but just

saying that it's not something worth

paying for at all yeah 100% so save your

money basically is what you're saying

and spend your time Elsewhere on on

things that actually matter more more

importantly so I really appreciate you

coming on is there anywhere where people

can find you

online uh well they they can find the

domains and Links at SEO domains and uh

they can just search my name my name is

unique there I'm the only person in the

world with this name so I'm super easily

find just search Kink kak on Facebook we

also have a nice Facebook group with the

new SEO group with some nice discussions

but yeah I'm on I'm mostly on

Facebook uh and uh I'm very easily

contactable there so yeah if you have

any questions or need any help with

domains you also know people in most of

the domain register so we have domains

in gr niches shut down for abuse that's

my chance to really help you in a

meaningful way like contact some people

I know and maybe get the domains

unblocked

it's a big big problem in some grain

ises I cannot promise for every register

because I don't know people everywhere

and of course the people I know may

refuse to help but still uh it's

possible to help in these cases wow okay

so yeah you're the first point of call

whenever I hear somebody getting their

domain blacklisted um and also I think

we share the same thing in commonw it

helps a lot in SEO when you have a

unique name and nobody else on the

planet has your name right I have

definitely a good thing yeah

100% um I appreciate you coming on I'll

put a link in the description to all of

the stuff that you mentioned and your

I'll link to your Twitter and Linkedin

and stuff as well I appreciate you

coming in once more I'll see you guys in

next episode Peace thanks for caring me

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