Katie Johnson's full testimony of 2/11/16
Summary
TLDRThe transcript recounts a disturbing account of a young girl's alleged encounters with Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein, detailing sexual abuse and manipulation at parties. The narrator, who was 13 at the time, describes being coerced into sexual acts, Trump's apparent enjoyment of dominance, and the lasting impact on her mental health and relationships. She speaks out of a sense of duty to expose the character of a man running for the presidency.
Takeaways
- 🚨 The interviewee claims to have met Donald Trump at parties thrown by Jeffrey Epstein when she was 13 years old.
- 🤝 She alleges that Trump requested sexual acts from her, including a hand job with a glove and oral sex with a condom.
- 💸 The interviewee received payment from Epstein for attending these parties.
- 👥 She describes the presence of other young girls, some as young as 13 or 14, at the parties.
- 👀 Trump and Epstein are said to have engaged in banter, with Trump making racist and derogatory comments.
- 😨 The interviewee recounts a traumatic experience where Trump allegedly raped her during a staged fantasy scenario.
- 😢 She expresses fear, a sense of worthlessness, and difficulty in forming healthy relationships as a result of her experiences.
- 🏚️ Epstein is portrayed as manipulative, attempting to force himself on the interviewee during a supposed job interview for modeling.
- 🗣️ The interviewee's decision to come forward is driven by a sense of responsibility to inform the public about Trump's character, especially considering his presidential run.
- 🤔 She mentions a single confidante, a best friend, who is aware of her experiences but chose not to keep any physical evidence of the encounters.
- 💔 The interviewee's psychological impact includes self-sabotaging relationships and a pervasive distrust of men.
Q & A
What was the primary reason the interviewee came to the interview?
-The interviewee came to the interview on their free will without any promises made to them, intending to tell the truth about their encounters.
How old was the interviewee when they first met Donald Trump?
-The interviewee was 13 years old when they first met Donald Trump at a party at Jeffrey Epstein's mansion.
What unusual request did Donald Trump make during the first encounter according to the interviewee?
-Donald Trump requested the interviewee to give him a handjob with a glove, which was an uncomfortable experience for the interviewee.
Who was responsible for throwing the sex parties mentioned by the interviewee?
-Jeffrey Epstein, a billionaire friend of Donald Trump, was responsible for organizing the sex parties.
What was the initial intention of the interviewee when they moved to New York?
-The interviewee initially moved to New York with the intention of becoming a model.
How did the interviewee meet Tiffany, and what was Tiffany's role?
-The interviewee met Tiffany through a girl named Tiffany who claimed to help girls get into modeling and was recruiting girls for parties.
What was the age range of the girls that attended these parties according to the interviewee?
-Most of the girls at the parties were around the interviewee's age, with some being as young as 13 or 14, and the oldest possibly being 16.
Why did the interviewee decide to come forward with their story now?
-The interviewee decided to come forward when they saw Donald Trump running for President, feeling it was their responsibility to reveal the kind of man he is.
What was the nature of the parties that the interviewee was paid to attend?
-The parties were sexual in nature, with the interviewee and other girls being paid by Mr. Epstein after each party.
What kind of comments did Donald Trump make that made the interviewee uncomfortable?
-Donald Trump made racist comments, derogatory remarks about Hispanic and Arabic people, and used slurs for black people, which made the interviewee very uncomfortable.
How did the interviewee describe the last encounter with Donald Trump?
-The last encounter involved a forced sexual act where Donald Trump allegedly raped the interviewee, disregarding her pleas to stop.
What long-term effects has the interviewee experienced as a result of their encounters with Donald Trump?
-The interviewee has struggled with self-worth, self-esteem, and trust issues, as well as difficulties in maintaining healthy relationships.
Outlines
🕊️ Alleged Encounters with Trump and Epstein
The narrator claims to have met Donald Trump at parties organized by Jeffrey Epstein, where she was a 13-year-old recruit for modeling. She describes an uncomfortable encounter with Trump, who allegedly asked her for a hand job with a glove and later, a condom for oral sex. The narrator also mentions Epstein's alleged sexual advances and the manipulative recruitment by a woman named Tiffany, who promised modeling opportunities but led her into sexual situations with powerful men.
🗳️ Political Motivation and Party Dynamics
The narrator's decision to come forward is driven by Trump's presidential campaign, feeling a responsibility to reveal his character. She recounts wearing a blonde wig that Trump found reminiscent of his daughter, and details the dynamics of the parties, including Epstein's role and the payment she received. The paragraph also includes allegations of Trump's racist remarks and his specific sexual requests.
😨 Trump's Alleged Misconduct and Power Dynamics
The narrator describes a disturbing account of sexual misconduct by Trump, including a rape fantasy scenario where she was forced into a non-consensual sexual act. She emphasizes the fear and power imbalance, with Trump allegedly threatening to call immigration on another girl involved. The incident left her traumatized and marked by Trump's display of dominance and control.
😞 Emotional Aftermath and Personal Impact
The narrator discusses the emotional toll of her experiences, including the loss of self-worth and the inability to maintain healthy relationships. She mentions her fear of having children due to the potential damage they could face. The paragraph highlights her struggle with trust and the lasting effects of the trauma on her emotional well-being.
🚫 Fear and Avoidance of Trump
The narrator expresses a deep fear of Trump, stating that she would run away if given the chance to speak with him. She recounts a final encounter where she was allegedly raped, and Trump's subsequent dismissive and cruel comments. The paragraph also touches on her decision to leave the parties and never return, as well as the support she received from her friend Tiffany.
💔 Long-Term Consequences on Relationships and Self-Esteem
The narrator describes the long-term impact of her experiences with Trump on her ability to form and maintain relationships. She discusses her self-sabotaging behavior in relationships and her difficulty in trusting men. The paragraph concludes with her reflections on the irreversible damage to her self-esteem and the counseling she sought to address her trauma.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡Free will
💡Truth
💡Encounters
💡Orgy
💡Recruiter
💡Virgin
💡Rape fantasy
💡Self-worth
💡Intimidation
💡Therapy
💡Self-sabotage
💡Trust
Highlights
The interviewee claims to have met Donald Trump at parties thrown by Jeffrey Epstein when she was 13 years old.
She alleges that Trump asked her for a handjob, which she provided using a glove as instructed by her recruiter.
The interviewee describes Epstein as a billionaire friend of Trump's who organized sex parties.
She was recruited by a girl named Tiffany to attend parties with the promise of a modeling career.
Epstein allegedly knew the interviewee's age and asked her to strip down to her underwear during an interview.
The interviewee alleges that Trump knew she was 13 and was attracted to her youth and virginity.
She describes a second encounter with Trump where she was forced to perform oral sex while wearing a condom.
Trump is said to have exhibited racist behavior, making derogatory comments about Jewish, Hispanic, and Arab people.
The interviewee was paid by Epstein after each party she attended.
She recounts a disturbing encounter where Trump allegedly acted out a rape fantasy with her.
The interviewee describes feeling violated and traumatized by her experiences with Trump.
She expresses fear of having children due to her traumatic experiences.
The interviewee's self-esteem and ability to form healthy relationships have been negatively impacted by her experiences.
She has sought therapy to address the issues stemming from her encounters with Trump.
The interviewee's decision to come forward is driven by a sense of responsibility to inform the public about Trump's character.
She describes Trump as having a destructive influence on her life and self-worth.
Transcripts
I came to this interview on my free will. No, there was nothing promised to me for
doing this interview. Yes, everything that I say at this interview will be the truth.
I met Donald Trump at some parties that I was working for Mr. Jeffrey Epstein. There was
about three or four times that I had encounters with Donald Trump. I was 13. The first time that
I met Donald Trump was at a party at Jeffrey Epstein's mansion. We were he was --- there
was an orgy going on, and he was kind of watching off in the distance. And and he basically asked
if I could come over and give him give him a hand job. And at first I wasn't very comfortable with
it this was like my first or second party, and I I didn't you know I didn't think that that was my
responsibility, but my recruiter told me that I needed to do it so I agreed to and then he
you know I said I said began to uh --- sorry this is a little difficult ---- but before I
gave him a hand job he kind of slapped my hand away and said you need to use a glove. And the
recruiter ran over and handed me a glove and said 'no one touches Mr. Trump's penis
without a glove'. So I needed to use a glove. I gave him a hand job and then immediately after,
you know, he he had an orgasm he left, and I didn't see him again at that party.
Jeffrey Epstein is a billionaire friend of Donald Trump's that was responsible for throwing the sex
parties. There was --- I originally came to New York trying to be a model and in my travels I met
a girl named Tiffany there who was very interested in me and said that you know she that's what she
did is that she helped girls you know get what they wanted and and she could help me get it and
get into modeling that she knew a lot of people that were that were higher ups and that it would
be no problem. And so that's why you know she but I would just basically have to come model
at a couple of events and meet some people. It would be no sweat. So of course I went you know
that it sounded like no big deal. And she was recruiting the girls to come to these parties,
and they all looked I mean most of them were near my age there was you know maybe
a couple girls that were maybe 14 or 15 but it seemed to me like we were all very young so.
Jeffrey Epstein knew that I was 13 years old. When he interviewed me he asked me
to get down to my bra my just my panties and I thought that was weird but I mean modeling
maybe it was something about my figure and he asked that I give him a massage so he and then
he asked me my age he asked me and I told him you know I've told him that I was 13 I told him
why I was there and and he basically said well you'll do you know I'm sure that you'll you'll
fit pretty nicely here and then he he tried to basically slip himself inside of me. And I
pushed him away and I said I'm because ---- at that point in time I still believed that there
was models and then there was the girls that did that like I thought there was a separation. So,
um yeah I told him that I wasn't interested in that, but he said that I would do.
And as far as Donald Trump, he knew that I was 13 and I believe that Tiffany told him.
He seemed to take a liking to me, because I was I was so young and I was also a virgin -- so,
I don't know he's it seemed like he wasn't really into having having girls that that
were liked by the other guys he kind of --- you know the whole glove --- and he kind of
liked things to be his first you know if that for lack of you know better term,
but he was the one who wanted to get to get to a girl before everyone else did.
Donald's Trump knew that I was 13, because the first the first night that I was there
Tiffany actually suggested that, and she had a whole bunch of different wings than
I expressed interest in them you know I always told her that I would love to walk
around blue hair and so I tried some on and there was a blonde wig that she said
that looked great on me so I wore that wig. And Donald Trump had specifically asked about me,
because I remind him of his daughter and she said well she's 13 as well. So,
he knew the first time that he saw me but he took a liking to me because I look like his daughter.
The reason I'm coming out now is when it happened originally I just wanted to
forget about the whole incident and when I saw that he was running for President, I felt it
was my responsibility to come out and tell our country what kind of man this person is. I don't
think that he should even be the dog catcher let alone running the greatest country in the world.
After I met Tiffany at the bus station, she took me to basically went to her house her
apartment and got ready I put on a blonde wig, because it seemed fun to pretend to be someone
different but we went to the party that I was basically entering interviewing for.
And Jeffrey Epstein was the one that was running the party. He had a quick meeting
with everyone that was employed there, and he had a private interview with me.
The first time that I met Jeffrey Epstein he did try to force himself inside of me without
getting the go-ahead or anything and then on the it was probably about the third or
fourth party is when he basically forced it was it was another massage and it was
basically like it wasn't sex but it was there was penetration and I told him that I didn't
want that but he kind of got a little irritated so I don't know there was something about him
that I guess I kind of held him like I helped a lot of resentment towards him.
By that time that that happened I I kind of already started catching on
that maybe I wasn't there for modeling and maybe I was just
getting used for things and I felt that kind of held him responsible.
Um I did receive money to go to these parties. After every party I was paid by Mr. Epstein.
There wasn't --- out of all the girls that were there with me I never I've most of them
were 13 14 I think the oldest one might have been 16 just but just turned 16. I mean she'd
been there for a while. It was actually --- it was Tiffany he was it he was he he liked
to watch but other people have sex I I mean it was must and he he's the germ doesn't like
germs so he rather than partaking. He just watches so Tiffany I informed him that I was
the virgin and so he was I was basically sorry I right so it was Tiffany who introduced us.
The second time that I saw Mr. Trump was same scenario he was on-looking so at an orgy and
Tiffany came over to me and said that Donald Trump had requested that I perform oral sex on him. And
never I'd never done something like that with anybody so I was a little nervous so I walked
up to him and he was standing and saying they're very proud like and I just kind of moved to that
direction and he's kind of slapped me away and said what are you doing you know you need to put
a condom on like I was some like dirty filth or something without a condom. Tiffany ran over and
handed him a condom -- me a condom and apologizing profusely and said that would never happen again
that and she looked at me and scolded me being seemed kind of like a child and said that that's
not how a Donald Trump always you know anytime you took it touched his penis it needs to have a
condom on her glove you know you oh and especially when it comes to performing oral sex. So I'm I
apologized and then I performed oral sex on him. And once again once he was done he hopped up and
but that's the last I saw of him at that party. It's like when she's down he's out mm-hmm so.
Sometimes before the some of the things that I noticed that we're weird with him
well sometimes before the parties he would come over and him Jeffrey Epstein and himself would
kind of banter back and forth and he was very ---Donald Trump was very racist. He said a lot
of racist things. Like there was there was a lot of comments towards Mr. Epstein about you
know being Jewish and in comments 'you bastard', you know, so that he was cheap and there was some
words I didn't even understand --- something about the shape of his penis being directly
related to his mole or I'm not too familiar with did you know the Jewish tradition so but
I'm pretty sure that whatever he was saying wasn't very nice. Also referred to, you know,
people of Hispanic or you know Hispanic me and he called them spics. That was around
the first time that the World Trade Center had gotten the bombing in the 90s and he was
you know talking about the towelheads and how you know it would just be better off if we you
know I didn't let him in or you know basically got rid of everyone every single one that was
already here. And I thought I just that was it made me really uncomfortable really really
uncomfortable. He also loved to call black people niggers, and Arabic people he called sand makers.
The only time that that he tried to give me some money was the last our last encounter together
where he acted out a rape fantasy. I just I was forced to I was forced to give that money back,
because I Jeffrey Epstein paid us after the party so but he just gave me the money. I
don't even know why he gave it to me maybe didn't make me feel more cheap but it was
um it was a pretty bright I will it was a rape fantasy to him but I'd if I wasn't playing so.
There was those there was those two times and then there was after and the next the next thing that
was that a Tiffany approached me with was that he had a fantasy where he walked in on his maids
basically making out and that he it was some type of fantasy for him. So she asked I mean
I was at that point I was like I don't want to be involved with anything that has to do
with him. But she's like you were just basically the the other one so there's nothing that you'll
have to do just don't you know just you want he's requesting you to be involved. So I reluctantly
I felt like I didn't have a choice there but it was basically he's walking in his two maids I
was one of the main so I was the white maid and there was a Spanish girl Maria who was Hispanic
maid and we were making out and he walks in and he gets really angry and threatens to send call
immigration on Maria if she doesn't come over and make things right and give him a blow job.
So while she is over there giving him a blow job I am just look trying to you know I'm supposed
to look scared like oh no you know and cleaning tried cleaning up things and pretending like I'm
trying to go back to my job as a maid and then he his being was so rude to Maria I felt so bad for
her even though I guess it just didn't seem like a fantasy and it didn't seem like it's the weirdest
fantasy as far as that. You know he was threatened he was threatening to call immigration on her yes
so that she know how to you know she went to she wasn't even near going down to give him perform
oral sex on him before he slapped her away and said you know you what are you doing you know you
need to put a condom on and and she's trying to miss me and I'm so sorry and he's like you can't
even can't you understand what you're saying you know and just, you know. 'speak English',
you know he called her derogatory comments and then he's like 'you know what, you don't know what
you're doing. have her come over and show you how it's done'. And so, I again I said that I didn't
you know I had to go over there or else he was going to call immigration on Maria I didn't know
if it was true or not, but I felt that you know he said that if I was if I didn't show her how to
perform oral sex on him then he was going to call immigration on her and then get rid of us both.
You know it was anything that was in relation to him getting off or being satisfied or happy
had to do with him being in power but extreme power. And it's it's very it's very hard to
even it was it was always intimidating when he was like that. It was always you didn't really
know if it was true or funny. It's like if you refuse to play along would he really
call immigration on Maria? Would he really get rid of us both. And I didn't even want to know
what that meant. You know I always didn't --- it wasn't a game. We just felt like it wasn't a game.
The one night that I had the blonde wig on, he mentioned that I looked like, you know,
I looked like to you know that I reminded him of his daughter. And actually the the the maid
fantasy I didn't have a blonde wig on. And I was trying to stay away from blond wigs
at the time. But he actually requested -- told Tiffany that that's when he wanted me to wear
like he wanted in these and anytime I put it on anytime I had it on and he'd see me would
say oh man you look just and it wasn't like a oh you remind me of my daughter it was a sick
evil like mmm you remind me of my daughter. It was just this weird pleasure sick smile like I don't
even want to know what he was thinking about. I could imagine what he was thinking about.
After the parties would end, we were to a report to Mr. Epstein and basically tell
him everything that happened with who what they liked what they disliked if
there was any requests if there was any talk about anything. That's what when
we told Mr. Epstein everything and then he paid us and then we got to go home.
And with me you know I would either you know I normally got taken taken
to the airport you know so to go back home.
The fact that Trump has a chance to be the next president makes me feel disgusting inside. I've
always been proud to be an American, and I think we live in a beautiful country. But I just see
him ruining everything. He's a horrible what he portrays on the outside isn't even that great,
but people don't even know the half of it -- how evil help sick and twisted that man is.
I have a friend that's been my friend ever since the school year that I stopped going, you know,
the the eighth grade. I confided in her and she knows all about it. She knows everything
I mean I I destroyed everything like you know any planes - I didn't I couldn't risk it my my
dad finding out. And now I think I'm old enough to where I think I don't think you know I at
that point I didn't want to not be his little girl, you know, I didn't want to lose my dad.
Basically I I any I would never as far as keeping proof of any of the trips and the
only person.... I never told my parents you know I there would be no happy you know there
would be no good outcome of telling my parents, you know, they would have grounded me I would
have never been allowed of the house, you know, my father would have come unglued. I did tell a
friend my best she's still my best friend of this day. She knows everything. She knows it
all. I'm prepared to do whatever it takes to save the country that I believe that we have.
I know when he does behind pub-like closed doors like if that's all I'm
willing to sacrifice my life to put our country back - and they're right like
going maybe in some type of positive direction not even there's no right
or wrong but a positive direction. This guy's not gonna take us anywhere positive.
You know as far as my life changing by coming out of his information I've thought long and
hard about whether or not I should. And I've gone back and forth, but I think that I can't I think
that the American people need to know what kind of man this person is. And if my life changes
because of that. then so be it but the American people need to know what they're dealing with.
If I had the chance to talk to Donald Trump I would run the other way. I'm
scared of him like I've never been scared of him anything else in my
entire life. I can't I can't explain it to you, but I just the fear of him
even being in the next room may I have a panic I would have had a panic attacks.
The last encounter that I had with Donald Trump --- Tiffany approached me about a rape scene that
was he's supposed to be played out and I didn't like I didn't like the sound of that at all,
but Tiffany promised ensured me that it wasn't going to be if I if it was anything I wasn't
comfortable with we could stop. That she would be right there and that and would it wouldn't get
out of it wouldn't get out of hand and that it was just it was a fantasy like it wasn't really gonna
happen. And so she I told her that I would she she basically I mean she Tiffany was always nice
to me. I felt I trusted her else I will you know and I wouldn't always trusted her or done what
she asked me to but she was there. And he came in and I was basically tied to a bed with pantyhose,
and he tied him I knew they were so tied I could it hurt to even like lay there and I tried to you
know try to say something it was like and he's just 'shut up' and 'shut up bitch',
you know, this is it was basically like he was he was being really really rough, and
I understand that I don't I mean it just didn't seem like a fantasy, and I started to get scared,
and and he was you know basically like ripping my clothes off, and and I was actually real I
started I got freaked out I I told him that I don't want to do this. I was, you know,
I screamed over for Tiffany and she was like Mr. Trump she's only you know she's not she this is
scaring her and he's like 'oh, you shut up, too' - he just turned in this animal. It was a completely
different completely different person. It was like everyone in the room was scared of him and -- I
was --- it was like a I couldn't do anything about it. And he ripped off all my clothes and
he started to basically have sex with me and I was screaming, because I never had sex before was my
first time and Tiffany was yelling at him too she she was saying I was a virgin and he's told us to
'just shut the fuck up' and just basically took my virginity while I was crying and telling him
to stop and that's basically begging for him to just stop. And Tiffany didn't know what else to
do either she no one was there to help us -- or me. And so so after the fact and he he he
basically finishes it and didn't it didn't take that long at all I mean but it was just it felt
like it was like five and a half hours well it was an eternity like I don't even know how long it was
but he was done and I was crying and Tiffany was consulting me. And she was you know apologizing.
She told me that she would never she didn't she just never put me in that situation again. But
he comes over mad because I was crying -- he said that I should be thankful that someone like Donald
Trump took my virginity. Well he didn't say took my virginity he said I should be glad that someone
like Donald Trump pop my cherry and not some pimply little 14 year old. And I just was like
what if I yeah I said what if I get pregnant not even talking to him. I didn't want to talk to him.
I was talking to Tiffany. And he said well you'll get an abortion then bitch and then just walked
away and I I asked I went to I had told Tiffany I needed to go home. I never went back again.
I guess I guess it's for you to decide. You know I mean if I don't have any kids myself because
I'm afraid to have kids because and who knows what kind of damage they can get into. But if you have
a 13 year old daughter and you're I mean would you be okay with the person who's running our
country doing that to your little girl? And I just I don't know I just want people to know. I think
that I I haven't I know I have a faith in our in our society that will make the right choice.
He seemed to be taking great pleasure and like dominance and control and just
the more I screamed the more I got scared the more he was enraged and
like power enraged with power. And it was like he was just charged with it was scary.
My experience with Donald Trump and has made it to where I I can't be in a healthy relationship
much less I can't be in a relationship without without my self sabotaging it. I don't I don't
do well --- I mean I've been in I've been in a couple of relationships I mean they're never of
interest to me normally but one in particular that was a wonderful --- he was a wonderful
man --- and I completely knowing I I had like subconsciously I couldn't even control myself
it was like I had to get him out of my life because you know I don't I don't know why. It
was like anytime anyone loves me I don't feel worth it or you know I've I mean I've I don't
even know how to explain it. Like I can't friends I can have acquaintances that you guys that are
acquaintances but I just you know anytime it's maybe someone expressed anything else besides
that I can't --- I take some type of pleasure and not some type of I don't take pleasure in it but
subconsciously whether I mean to or not sometimes I've meant to it's like I hurt their feelings just
so they'll never talk to me again. Like and make sure that it's not ever a possibility.
Donald Trump, Donald Trump destroyed my feeling of self-worth and my self-esteem when
it was still --- I like when it just bloomed. It hadn't even had a chance to experience anything.
I have I have only spoken to to one therapist about this just recently actually I for a long
time I just really just tried to forget about it. Just tried very hard. But I've been to counseling
for other things, and I went to counseling for the previous the previous relationship
that I was sabotaging. And my counselor said something has happened to you that were you
or just you need to deal with that. That's actually what kind of was like hmm. He knew
that there was something that had happened where I was self sabotaging or you know sabotaging these
relationships. But, you know, he said that it was my responsibility to deal with it, of course.
This the situation with Donald Trump has left it just destroyed my self-esteem and
it's made it to where I feel like it's destroyed part of
my life. I haven't --- the only healthy relationship I've completely demolished.
And I love to choose the dysfunctional ones that I know I can just push away.
After what happened with him I can't trust a
man ever again. I --- thinking about it just makes me sick to my stomach.
So when when something so traumatic happens to someone that's so young,
you never ever really get over it
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