Rise of Xim/Cronus in Destiny 2 | Enough is enough...

Summary

The video analyzes the rise in video game cheating methods and aim assist devices, delving into popular devices that give players advantages like Cronus Zen and comparing them to blatant cheating via code injection. It debates if these devices are considered cheating, calling out the need for clearer policies from game developers. The narrator argues we need better native controller settings rather than power creeping aim assist as a 'band-aid' fix. They ask if certain assisted devices should be permitted for accessibility while questioning how developers can differentiate them from cheating effectively. Ultimately more specificity is called for in cheating policies.

Takeaways

• 😡 There are many ways players cheat in video games, from code injection to hardware mods.
• 😕 Cheating is complex; some "cheats" help accessibility while others undermine fairness.
• 🤔 The gaming community debates what constitutes cheating, especially for controllers.
• 😠 Cronus and XIM provide scripts and mouse/keyboard on console.
• 😟 Cheaters want to win, learn, or get community inclusion, not just because they are bad.
• 🤨 Policy needs to be specific and ban frequently, especially in top PVP matches.
• 🙁 Destiny 2 has terrible deadzones that encourage cheating for better feel.
• 😞 Bungie can't ban teammates of cheaters without proof they knew.
• 😀 Fighting Lion is the best anti-cheat in Destiny 2.
• 😃 Players want better native controller settings to reduce cheating incentives.

Q & A

What are some of the most common cheating methods used in gaming?

Some of the most common cheating methods mentioned in the script are code injection, aim bots, Cronus and XIM devices, macros, scripts like anti-recoil and auto-crouch, and hardware modifications like turbo controllers.

How do Cronus and XIM give players an advantage?

Cronus and XIM allow players to use mouse and keyboard on console while retaining aim assist advantages of a controller. They can also run scripts that automate gameplay aspects like recoil control.

What are some reasons players cheat in games?

Reasons mentioned include wanting to beat other cheaters, monetary incentives, learning more about the game, community inclusion, having aim assist on mouse and keyboard, low risk of getting banned, and poor in-game controller settings.

What does the author think about accessibility devices being used to cheat?

The author says it's a tricky issue. Real accessibility needs should be accommodated but it can be hard to differentiate from cheating. There's a gray area when skilled players use scripts meant for accessibility.

What does the author suggest to combat cheating?

The author suggests more frequent and ruthless banning in high level PVP matches, along with more specific and fast cheating policies. He also suggests improving in-game controller settings.

What are the author's thoughts on Destiny 2's controller settings?

The author thinks Destiny 2 has poor dead zones and aim feel compared to other shooters. He wants better native settings rather than just increasing aim assist on guns.

What is the fighting lion strategy to combat cheating?

The fighting lion grenade launcher indirectly combats cheating in PVP by being very strong against skilled players relying on aim assist.

What is the author's view on banning teammates of cheaters?

The author thinks it's an unenforceable policy since teammates can't reliably know if someone is cheating without obvious hacks like flying.

What does the author ask of console players at the end?

The author asks what controller and settings console players use to make Destiny feel good without cheating devices, since he struggles with aim on controller.

What is the overall purpose of the video?

To give an overview of common cheating methods, reasons for cheating, and thoughts on improving policies and in-game settings to combat cheating.

Outlines

00:00

🎮 Overview of popular cheating methods in gaming

The paragraph provides an overview of common cheating methods used in gaming, ranked from most to least impactful. It covers code injection, AI assistance, device converters like Cronus Zen, and advanced controller modifications that give competitive advantages.

05:01

⚙️ Definitions of gaming cheat features and scripts

The paragraph defines various features and scripts used by gaming cheat devices, including turbo, macros, auto-crouch, anti-recoil, adhesion, friction, aim assist, etc. It explains how these provide advantages in gameplay.

10:01

😡 Justice cheaters and reasons people cheat

The paragraph covers why even skilled players cheat - to win more, make money, learn the game, feel included, or get back at other cheaters. It states cheats don't automatically make you better but do provide advantages.

15:01

📊 Stats showing cheating impacts win rate

The paragraph shares sample stats showing cheating significantly increases the win rate in competitive play. A basic wall hack alone could allow winning 99% of matches against legit players.

20:02

🤔 Questioning in-game accessibility rules

The paragraph discusses the difficulty in differentiating legit accessibility needs from cheating, using examples. It's unclear what rules or skill thresholds should separate them. This makes enforcement very tricky.

25:04

👋 Parting thoughts and request for controller recommendations

The closing paragraph requests controller recommendations from viewers for a good console experience without cheating devices, hoping for improvements. It states cheaters will cheat anyway so might as well help legit players.

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Keywords

💡Cheating

The main theme of the video is discussing various forms of cheating in video games. This includes software and hardware devices like aim bots, wall hacks, code injection, cronus, zen, etc. that give players unfair advantages. The video analyzes the spectrum of cheating methods from more subtle (cronus) to obvious (code injection) and discusses motivations, justifications, accessibility issues, and detection.

💡Scripts

Scripts refer to lines of code that automate or enhance certain actions in a video game, like reducing recoil on guns or perfectly timing certain moves. They are used with devices like Cronus Zen to gain competitive advantages. The video discusses various powerful scripts that can make mediocre players much more effective.

💡Cronus/Zen

Cronus and Zen are brands of third party hardware devices that connect to controllers to enable cheating scripts and mods. According to the video, they make mouse/keyboard more precise on console and run scripts that automate gameplay aspects like recoil control.

💡Controller Mods

The video discusses advanced modified controllers with extras like paddles, buttons, and hall effect sticks. Some give competitive advantages, so gaming communities have to regulate their use.

💡Aim Assist

Aim assist is an auto-aim feature on console games that helps players target enemies. The video suggests Cronus/Zen devices allow mouse/keyboard users to unfairly benefit from strong aim assist meant for controllers.

💡Accessibility

The video touches on how cheating intersects with accessibility needs for disabled gamers. It asks where the line should be drawn for allowing scripts/software for medical reasons vs. competitive fairness.

💡M&K

M&K stands for mouse and keyboard controls on PC/console. The video argues Cronus/Zen devices give mouse/keyboard users the aiming precision of PC controls plus the aim assist strengths of a controller.

💡Ban Policy

The video criticizes the lack of clear, consistently enforced ban policies for cheaters across various games. It argues stricter banning would deter cheating.

💡Controller Settings

Limited in-game controller customization (dead zones, curves, aim styles etc.) prompts players to use Cronus/Zen instead. The video argues better native settings could reduce cheating incentives.

💡Competitive Advantages

The through-line of the video is showing how various software and hardware cheat methods give players unfair competitive advantages, automating complex moves or enhancing aiming precision beyond normal human ability.

Highlights

Popular cheating methods ordered by impactfulness from very obvious cheating to more accepted methods

Cronus and other devices enable scripts that automate gameplay but don't provide aimbot or wall hacks

High skill players may feel inclined to cheat for various reasons like beating other cheaters or monetary incentives

Accessibility needs make differentiating cheating very tricky; where is the line drawn on allowed scripts?

Bungie's stance bans programmable controllers but the language is vague on what that actually means

The cheating policy needs to be specific, fast and ruthless in high skill brackets to curb cheating there

Better native controller settings are needed rather than just power creeping aim assist to make it feel better

In the current state, it feels like cheaters are the only ones allowed to bypass the poor controller implementation

Drop ban hammers more frequently and have ruthless cheating policies focused on top PvP players

Fighting Lion is the best anti-cheat in Destiny showing how bad the situation is

Asks what legitimate console configs players use since many claim to be legit but actually cheat

Better settings would allow more intentional plays rather than cheaters bypassing terrible implementation

Cheaters will cheat anyway so might as well make it feel better for legit players

Thanks Aztecross for motivating the completion of this cheating discussion video

Seeks actual suggestions for good controller configs on console Destiny without cheating devices

Transcripts

hey friends today's video is a slide

presentation of the rise of Zim cronis

cheating I know azac cross did a similar

video but that's what spurred me to

finish this project I've been toying

around with it for a while and finally

thought of the right way to convey some

of my thoughts and I Ed the slide for to

stay on topic and keep the comment

section dialed in so that they don't

write useless comments and I can make a

better video in the

future popular cheating methods in order

of impactfulness so goes from red to

Green where green is mostly accepted by

The Gaming Community and red is very

obviously cheating and most anti-che

would pick it up in a heartbeat and ban

you at least sometimes they do ban waves

not getting into that right now code

injection changing the game's executable

code in real time artificial

intelligence AI assisting the player

with enhanced information or performing

perfect inputs Zim that's a converter

that recognizes mouse and keyboard on

Console while retaining all advantages

of a assist keep in mind that if you are

the best mouse and keyboard player in

the world Zim is actually a downgrade

unless of course you're running scripts

but in the case of a assista mouse and

keyboard if you're using a projectile

weapon and you're really good at aiming

and someone runs across your screen

right in front of your target you're not

going to be able to correct your aim

because the aim assist will drag your

Crosshair away from where you

intentionally want to aim there's also

the case of games like Destiny 2 where

certain weapons in the game favor

controller and certain weapons favor

mouse and keyboard if you use Zim you

don't get to take advantage of the good

M andk weapons but you do get to

uniquely take advantage of the

controller weapons with more Precision

especially if you run scripts I'll

Define what that means in a future slide

cronis enables scripts and has advanced

settings on controller it's a USB device

Brooke is also a USB device this is a

converter that sole purpose is to

recognize Xbox controllers on

PlayStation and vice versa these are

very helpful in the fighting game

community but some newer models do have

turbos and macros and scripts but

essentially it also has a tournament

mode so that the tournament organizer

can okay it and you're allowed to

compete over the years controllers have

had many Hardware advancements take your

standard Xbox controller then we get the

Xbox Elite controller with paddles and

custom software then we have the modular

thrustmaster now we have hall effect

sticks Etc gyro aiming all the above

controllers are so Advanced so Advanced

that the community sometimes has to come

together to decide what is allowed in

competitive play and what isn't

sometimes developers update their

anti-che and it all happens through

Community discourse like I'm doing right

now so for example in the fighting in

community we have our standard lever our

standard fight stick and then we have

our leverless controller like this

hitbox and the advantage of the hitbox

is although it's a short amount of time

it does take time for example to go from

left to right with the stick whereas

with the hitbox you're using four

fingers it's instant it's like one

millisecond and in some cases you can

use opposite directions to instantly

perform an input and so to combat this

they require that you have something

called socd cleaning software which

prevents simultaneous opposite cardinal

directions from being inputed at the

same

time so if you're not following those

rules the hitbox is not legal so here we

go standard controller legal hitbox

legal but it has to follow the rules and

we have this pizza box with all these

buttons on it it's somehow still legal

because it has the

SD and it follows the rules to a T and

you have to respect it even though they

they could be argued to get an advantage

by just sliding their hand across to

perform a combination input in the game

you still got to respect that they

followed the rules now we have this

dinky Nintendo 64 controller with a

turbo function and that's banned because

it's using a turbo function which

automates

inputs even in real life in Marathon

running Hardware caught a ban take for

example the marathon world record holder

these shoes were slightly too efficient

so they got

banned let's go over some amosy

definitions that'll really put

everything I just talked about together

tension when the control stick is barely

moved so the input registers friction

when the reticle slows down when you're

near the target adhesion when either

stick the left stick or the right stick

is tensioned the reticle will now

automatically track a moving Target auto

aim or bullet deflection that's when

your reticle is off Target but the

bullets Bend to correct and I am

oversimplifying all of this by the way

hit box and hurt box the size of the

Target or the size of the bullet keep in

mind mouse and keyboard typically does

not receive adhesion or friction though

in Halo infinite for example they're

experimenting with giving M andk players

the option to feel that to feel the

power what is a script a script is a

line of code that tells the input device

to automate certain inputs turbo if a

button is held down it repeatedly

presses it fast this could be full auto

fire bunny hopping whatever macro a list

of commands always done to exact timing

activated by a single button press in

Destiny 2's case this could be again

Titan skating this could be well skating

shatter skating all the above imagine in

a PVP setting now bow string cancelling

where you're able to get the perfect

draw every time by just tapping reload

when you've already full drawn another

could be bypassing fighting Lion's melee

lockout timer you can get really

creative with macros and I don't want to

spin the entire video on that but just

know you can argue that it gives you an

advantage the real ones where there's

not really much of an argument is

anti-recoil if the right trigger is

detected as held then the right thumb

stick is moved just down enough to

compensate for the recoil depending on

what weapon is used extra a asses this

is technical Jon all it really does is

just minimally tension the stick

repeatedly so that it registers friction

and adhesion so that's what these

companies call more a assist it's

technically correct but all it does is

just Jitter the stick back and forth and

some it's funny some gamers in the

comment section of these like Zim and

Zen videos they're like complaining dude

it just like it moves my stick all over

the place I don't know what setting I I

misplaced it's like it's hilarious to me

that so many of these cronis and Zim

users like suck at using their own

devices like I almost want to optimize

it for them then rematch them just

because it's so sad then we have autoc

Crouch if the right trigger is held then

the Crouch button is also spammed in

conjunction with it and game to game

this is going to give you an advantage

but in in Destiny 2 it's really not you

can argue it is in some very specific

cases it is but it's really stupid what

just grinds people's gears is that

they're not doing it manually software

is doing it for

them all this being said though Zim and

chronis does not automatically make you

effective you can't take a bad player

and turn them into a God just for using

these device with optimized scripts it's

just not possible Zim utilizes mouse and

keyboard on Console to be more precise

in addition to running scripts cronis

runs scripts that automate gameplay

aspects at the end of the day they still

have to aim at other players they just

have less input combinations to get in

the way of just aiming mouse and

keyboard Precision with friction and

adhesion perfect controller

customization this is a big one you can

modify dead zones have custom response

curves remap buttons to anything on a

controller or a mouse and keyboard Etc

what they do not have is Aimbot

injection and wall hacks or that type of

thing so I really want to drive this

home it doesn't make you like

automatically as

effective as code injection and AI it's

it's not the same

thing however cheating is not just for

bad Players let's listen to a quote from

Carl Jos another content creator in my

experience when it comes to luck based

games players don't cheat to get a

faster time they cheat to get a Time

faster even outside of speedrunning in

FPS games this concept holds true High

scho players still feel inclined to

cheat for one reason or another some

that come to mind for me are just as

cheating making other cheaters lose

because they deserve the loss so if they

cheat and you cheat you're making a

cheater lose and proving to them that

they suck so that's why you feel

inclined to do it then we have the

monetary incentive you make money off

selling leaderboard positions boosting

recovs winning tournament money here's a

very specific one that a lot of youall

probably wouldn't use but it's using

cheats to learn more about the game than

to not use them and play legit in a

tournament so an example of this would

be like if you could walk through walls

have a develop ER con fig that type of

thing game that shows exact grenade

distances uh trajectories all those and

then reverse engineering it to use it

legitimately to beat other players You

could argue that's cheating right then

there's the most obvious one which is

discourse Community inclusion using

sheats to get your foot in the door to

meet other high school players or to

feel wanted desired by other teammates

and recognized by just random people in

matchmaking acknowledg for being good

people just want to be loved at the end

of the day so I hope that if you're

cheating out there you realize that you

will still find a discourse Community

even if you're not good at a game in

fact being bad at a game sort of has

some charm to it if you go about it with

the right attitude so yeah you don't

have to cheat I hate to break it to

you so let's look at stats for my last

trials weekend you can look these up if

you really want to but just like trust

that I I fudg the numbers just for sake

of the example here legit I won 90% of

my three stack trials matches last week

while playing on my inferior controller

skill because I suck at controller that

number goes up if I switch to mouse and

keyboard some good players look at 90%

and wonder if they could bump it up to

99% or 100 all it would take for me is a

simple wall hack injection and I'd bet

my life savings that it would be enough

to beat 99% of legit teams and 95% of

all teams thoughts like this is what can

lead a player to be a Justice cheater

where they think they Des deserve to win

against other suspect players since

they're likely doing it

too so these are the reasons why Zim and

cronis is so widespread number one and

this is the biggest one years ago and

maybe even now you could just walk into

GameStop and just and buy

this and that is just top of mind to

everybody they just think it's like

anything buying a code book back in the

day to cheat in a single player game

it's not the same

thing number two you're allowed because

of of the idea of accessibility in

gaming because no game developer wants

to tell someone they're not allowed to

play their game because they're impaired

it's not a good look number three play

to win Gamers doing what they think is

the most competitive modification to win

remember the pizza box controller you

got to respect it and in the same regard

if they're not Banning Zim and cronis

like at all and the developer hasn't

even acknowledged it well then you're

not playing to win if you're not making

scripts for the game I hate to say it

but there is some truth to that although

I won't personally do that number four

Justice cheaters wanting a assist on

mouse and keyboard they're mad that they

put time into getting good not perfect

with mnk and they want to feel the power

of controller so they're willing to Zim

to get it number five it's no risk in a

very high safety verification rate

meaning you've heard of other people who

Z and chronus and don't get banned and

you know for sure that if you go buy the

software and download the scripts that

it's very likely you're not going to get

a virus on your computer or something

like that number six lack of theater

mode and killcam this can be potential

embarrassment to the trained eye if they

can see someone is obviously cheating

from their firstperson point of view

that's a reason why a lot of them don't

stream or don't record content because

the cheating is that obvious even to

normal players and some do still stream

by the way there's ways to mask it on

OBS and other recording software number

seven lack of specific controller

settings in games by developers that's a

really big one you start looking to

things like cronis and Zim to solve

problems of what the game cannot solve

because for some reason or another the

game feels terrible to play number eight

the ban policy is unspecific slow and

there's only mild punishment this is a

huge reason why the Bing problem was so

bad in RuneScape as across use that

example too number nine monetary

incentive to rec accounts Garner stream

following or in the case the company to

have Cheaters buy extra copies of a game

that's also huge for the RuneScape

bonding

problem accessibility this is the

elephant in the room and do not

misconstrue my words I want everybody in

the world to enjoy

gaming I said it the Xbox adaptive

controller allows controller attachments

that include wi style nunchucks foot

pedals even a quad leic joystick mod

there's other things like that and it

takes custom software and a lot of

Ingenuity to make these realistically

function you can buy it you can plug in

a lot of stuff but that's not a promise

that it's going to work it takes a lot

of tinkering so hats off to anybody who

finds a perfect setup perfect config for

whatever unlucky circumstances they

encounter in life but you can combine it

with ey trackers gyro aim and other

clever technology to get that result and

chances are the game dabs are just going

to let it slide as they should because

it is a serious

issue but this is the elephant in the

room how the heck is antiche supposed to

differentiate real accessibility from

cheating for example an accessibility

need may be to Turbo Press buttons

repeatedly to complete an action in the

game who's to say that same macro can't

be used to hit perfect bunny

hops is there a skill threshold that an

impaired player needs to hit before

Scripts and custom software are no

longer okay is it a 1.5 kill death ratio

as soon as they hit two it's like I'm

sorry if you're impaired but you need to

cut that out now what about an

already skilled player what if they trip

and fall down the down the stairs and

break an arm what if the new addition of

scripts make up and exceed their new

found lack of Mobility you see how

tricky this subject can

become this is Bunchie stance on third

party peripherals entering their villain

Arc from the this week in Destiny

article on April ail 13th 2023 I'm not

going to read the whole thing but I am

going to highlight some specific

verbiage in these three bullet points so

it says um programmable controllers are

not allowed and they don't elaborate

with what that means they say they want

to experience the game the designers

intended which means that you shouldn't

gain an

advantage meant for the purpose of

achieving victory

spare me if for not reading this whole

thing pause the video and read it right

now okay moving

on what is a programmable controller

does this include controllers with

customization software like the elite

controller where you can change the

stick sensitivity and the response

curves is that what that means does this

include controllers that can run

automation scripts but choose not to

think about every keyboard manufacturer

these days go go into your keyboard

settings right now I'm sure that you

will see a button called macro and you

can just use that in the game you could

use that in Destiny 2 right now and I

will bet you money that you will not get

banned for

it does this also imply that steam input

is disallowed is it only okay to modify

if you're playing on PC to modify

controller if you're playing on PC what

about rewas what about DS4 windows I

want you to look at what steam input

allows you can just search this up by

the way it's easily findable you can

have no recoil more aim assist automatic

looting automatic building and it's just

there easily

searchable and you can use it in the

game too I'm sure antiche will flag it

but in Destiny too are you kidding me I

don't think it would I've lost all faith

in that that's super sad to

say back to the article what does

gaining an advantage

mean it's number three

so I'm nitpicking here just to

demonstrate how tricky the subject is so

as long as the player isn't winning

that's okay well then what if they leave

the match right before winning what if

they ignore public matchmaking

altogether and only host private lobbies

what if the mods or scripts that they

use make them play worse than their

normal setup what if they're already the

rank number one player before using

scripts for

fun is it okay then to run mild USB

devices like a brook adapter is the line

only drawn at recoil aim assist and

Crouch

macros what about gaining the advantage

of not having to manually delete 384

Dawning Essence to prevent repetitive

stress injury what about breaking the

world record of no sleep while you shoot

thw in the shattered Throne dungeon to

farm light level I know I'm poking the

bear on this one but everyone is

definitely a little guilty of some of

these of skirting the line just a little

bit and going into the gray area and we

go all the way back to the top here it

is a spectrum that depends on context I

know when I was playing Fantasy Star

online too every day that they had a

macro policy that as long as it wasn't

affecting in-game combat and that sort

of thing I'm paraphrasing here it was

perfectly okay so if you really just

wanted to delete 3,800 and4 Dawning

Essences in your inventory you

absolutely

could

an unenforceable policy so this is an

article from Euro gamer it says fire

teammates of Destiny 2 cheaters may be

banned says Bungie even if they didn't

cheat themselves so what this is saying

is that if you have a friend who cheats

and you play with them you're going to

get

banned this is really dumb it's honestly

unenforceable unless you have some extra

information that isn't obviously

available and this is why I say this how

the heck would you know 100% that you're

playing with the cheater like I

mentioned earlier I can inject wall

hacks and my teammates would be none the

wiser let alone if I was running scripts

that automate something I can physically

perform consistently regardless like

recoil control on my favorite

guns the only way that my teammates

could deduce I was cheating is if I

started flying through walls with

infinite power ammo so again how would

Bungie enforce this policy if your

cheater friend gets banned and you don't

because this policy is not enforcable

all you would do is just tell your

cheater friend to hop on a new account

and then you'd fan ignorance again you'd

say I'm a good player they're obviously

also a good player how the hell was I

supposed to know that they were cheating

it's a very very valid a fake ignorant

comment this brings me to something I've

been searching for for a very long long

time the dead zones in Destiny are

terrible they're like 20% so you have to

tension the stick 20% until it finally

registers that you're moving in the game

and it feels like you're walking through

mud to aim in Destiny 2 it feels

terrible especially if you put the time

into mouse and keyboard switching to a

controller feels terrible so sometimes

in science we ask if we could but not if

we should this was one of those moments

for me you can see I cancelled an order

on Amazon I ordered something I was

excited about it I watched multiple

reviews where a content creator had the

same product and was excited to finally

have a good feeling controller but then

I started reading the comment section

and it was littered with Gamers asking

how to add a no recoil script to the

settings that was my red flag to abandon

ship and cancel the order if normal

Gamers first thought is to use something

as a cheating device then I sure as hell

should not be promoting it even in the

cronis Zen videos the comment section

was vile to the Creator but if you look

at their Amazon link data that they

publicly show then it suggests other

otherwise those probably same people who

write those mean comments end up buying

the USB

device it it just blows my

mind so now even if I buy a product that

fixes the zad Zone prod uh problem even

if I'm upfront and show no advantageous

scripts it still may open the floodgates

to others doing it instead so I'm not

reviewing that particular controller all

I really want at the end of the day is

better native settings to games that I

love to play these are the controller

settings in Destiny 2 and compared to

Destiny 1 this is so much better but

compared to Call of Duty where you can

change the exact Dead Zone settings have

aim response curb types in the game

different styles of a assist different

multipliers on everything you could

think of guns specific whatever compared

to Destiny 2 Destiny 2 doesn't have

anything speaking of Destiny has been

out for a decade

could we please have better controller

settings it seems like the Band-Aid fix

that Bungie likes to do to make

controller feel better is to just power

creep juice the a assist of in-game

weapons they're like look this gun has

more stability and more aim assist so it

feels better now you can keep up with

mouse and keyboard but that's not really

fixing the problem at the end of the day

what if instead there were less aim

assist but more specific settings so

that we could intentionally aim better

than our opponent if I had to describe

the game state right now on controller

like let's say you're cracked at M andk

and switch to controller it feels like

you and your opponent are playing

underwater with

aimbots only script users are the ones

allowed to bypass the terrible

controller support and sometimes they

even also cheat with anti-recoil it's

just so

unfair let's also drop the van Hammer

more frequently be specific fast and

ruthless with the cheating policy when

it specifically comes to top .1% PVP

lobbies because it's a numbers game you

have much less cheaters to deal with up

there than you do in the general

population where let's be honest with

both skill-based matchmaking and

engagement based matchmaking a normal

player is not going to notice a normal

cheater if that normal cheater happens

to suck or if it's just a genuine

accessibility user the gray area starts

to exist where real accessibility users

are also simultaneously a top player

which isn't a stretch that is realistic

so it might be something unsolvable but

I still bring it up for Community

discourse at the end of the day it's

just tiring always have to wonder what I

need to do to improve when the reality

is my cheating opponent might have just

created an impossible problem for me to

solve at this point fighting lion is the

best anti Che in the game we've ever had

and probably will ever have then that's

just that's terrible to be honest but at

least we got fighting games to grind

instead I want to leave you on a

question and this goes all the way back

back to that question I had about steam

input modifications rewas DS4 Windows

this is for console specifically if you

play on console and you use a controller

and you don't use any of this other

garbage that I showed in this video

anything that gets around to this orange

level you don't use that on Console I

want to know what your config is what

controller what software do you use to

make controller feel good on Destiny on

console what do you use because I want

some real suggestions I get a lot of

fake suggestions where people clearly

use like rewas or something like that

and I just don't know what's true

anymore because I'm not going to use

these two and it's not going to be a

onetoone comparison I cannot just plug

and play so let me know what you're

using on Console because it will help me

be a better reviewer in the future also

if bung is watching we need those

settings we really really need those

settings it would make the game so much

better PVP is already the replayable

aspect of these games and making you be

able to make more intentional plays is a

good thing and cheaters are going to

cheat anyway so you might as well make

it feel better for legit players to play

the game doesn't matter if cheaters feel

slightly better they're already

cheating anyway friends I will see you

in the next one thanks for listening

thanks for being respectful in the

comment section and thanks for as across

for making me want to finish this video

you're the best