This Is The End Of Netanyahu’s Era In Israeli Politics: Former Israeli FM | Dawn News English

Summary

Former Israeli Foreign Minister Zippy Livni discusses the ongoing conflict with Hamas in Gaza, criticizing Netanyahu for divisive rhetoric and unwillingness to pursue diplomatic solutions. She argues Netanyahu is focused on political self-interest rather than Israel's security needs or allies like the U.S., predicting his political downfall. Livni advocates working with regional partners on an interim security framework and transition plan for Gaza involving elements of the Palestinian Authority, believing the conflict's resolution will shape Israel's future security and relations with Palestinians.

Takeaways

• 😀 Livi says she's not surprised the Gaza war is taking so long due to the asymmetrical nature of the conflict.
• 😟 There is division in Israeli society again due to Netanyahu's statements and unwillingness to consider plans, including from the US.
• 😠 Eisenkot called for elections soon, saying Netanyahu has not been truthful about the war's progress.
• 😡 Netanyahu is trying to divide Israelis over Palestinian statehood when unity is needed.
• 🤔 Israel needs to work with regional partners like Saudi Arabia to find security solutions and opportunities.
• 😩 Netanyahu is missing the chance to create a better future by rejecting the two state solution and PA.
• 😖 The PA or some Palestinian entity is needed to control Gaza - the only other options are Hamas or Israel.
• 😣 Netanyahu is losing support while his opponents gain - this may be the end of his political career.
• 😕 Israel needs a leader who can work with the US and allies on security, unlike Netanyahu now.
• 😢 Releasing the hostages is crucial for Israel's security and solidarity.

Q & A

Why does Livi say it takes time to resolve the war with Hamas?

Livi says it takes time because it is an asymmetrical war between Israel, a country, and Hamas, a terrorist organization. Israel is looking for victory while Hamas is looking for survival.

What does Livi say is the message if Eisenkot and Bigards quit the Israeli war cabinet?

Livi says that would signal they are no longer able to influence the course of events.

What does Livi say should be the focus regarding Hamas and Gaza?

Livi says the focus should be on finding an alternative to Hamas to ensure Israel's security while working with allies, especially the United States.

Why does Livi say Netanyahu is not using the opportunities before him?

Livi says Netanyahu is not using the opportunities to create a better future, like the potential for normalization with Saudi Arabia. Instead, he is dividing Israeli society.

What does Livi say should happen in Gaza?

Livi says there should be a Palestinian regime in place in Gaza, whether the PA or another entity that will work with Israel on security and be responsible for Gazans.

What kind of interim arrangement does Livi propose for Gaza?

Livi proposes entering an interim period to work with regional partners and the U.S. to take steps towards putting a Palestinian authority in place that would ensure security.

Why does Livi think this is the end of Netanyahu's political career?

Livi says Netanyahu has been losing in polls to his opponent Gantz for many years, signaling the end of his time in Israeli politics.

How does Livi characterize the difference between Biden and Netanyahu's leadership?

Livi says Biden is rightly supporting Israel without regard for U.S. politics, while Netanyahu is only thinking of his own political interests instead of Israel's security.

Why does Livi say Israel needs the U.S. as an ally?

Livi says the U.S. is critical for Israel's strategic security needs in areas like deterrence against threats like Iran.

What approach does Livi recommend towards the U.S.?

Livi recommends having a leader who knows how to work together with the U.S. and allies to define Israel's security needs.

Outlines

00:00

🗣️ Livy Discusses Netanyahu's Leadership and Relations with Hamas

Livy says she's not surprised the Israel-Hamas war is taking long due to its asymmetrical nature. She notes Netanyahu's unwillingness to accept US-backed ceasefire plans has divided Israeli society. She agrees with criticism that Netanyahu hasn't been truthful about the war's progress and thinks elections are needed.

05:00

😕 Livy Recommends Replacing Hamas' Control of Gaza

Livy says Israel shouldn't occupy Gaza but needs to enable a different Palestinian regime there as the long-term alternative to Hamas' rule. She argues the decision on Gaza's future is urgent and interim steps should be taken with regional and US support.

10:01

🤝 Livy Emphasizes Aligning Security Interests with US

Livy criticizes Netanyahu for prioritizing his political interests over Israel's security needs. She argues Israel needs a leader who can work with the US and allies on security while pursuing a regional peace vision. She believes Netanyahu is losing public support.

Keywords

💡Hamas

Hamas is a Palestinian Sunni-Islamic fundamentalist militant organization that has waged an anti-Israel campaign, including violent attacks against Israeli civilians. The video discusses Hamas' rule over Gaza, its battle for survival against Israel, and the need to replace Hamas with a different Palestinian regime that would ensure security.

💡hostages

The video refers to Israeli hostages that were captured by Hamas. Securing the release of these hostages is stated as an important goal of Israel's military campaign. However, it seems negotiations rather than brute military force led to the release of some of the hostages so far.

💡Netanyahu

Benjamin Netanyahu is the Prime Minister of Israel who has taken a defiant stance against Palestinian statehood and shocked allies by rejecting the United States' suggestions. The video portrays Netanyahu as prioritizing his political survival over Israel's security needs.

💡Gaza

Gaza refers to the Gaza Strip, a Palestinian territory on Israel's western border ruled by Hamas since 2007. The video discusses the need for Israel to avoid re-occupying Gaza while ensuring Hamas does not continue ruling there.

💡two-state solution

This refers to the solution of having an independent State of Palestine exist peacefully beside the State of Israel. Netanyahu has long opposed this, and recently publicly rejected it outright, angering allies.

💡Palestinian Authority

Also known as the PA, this is the Palestinian entity recognized by Israel that governs the West Bank. The video says while the PA is too weak to control Gaza now, it could be part of an interim solution.

💡War cabinet

Israel has set up a war cabinet comprising senior ministers that is managing the conflict with Hamas. Prominent ministers in the cabinet have started resigning in protest of Netanyahu's defiance against allies.

💡deterrence

Deterrence refers to Israel demonstrating overwhelming military might to deter Hamas and other enemies from attacking it. But the video questions if brute force alone can achieve security aims like hostage rescue.

💡Regional security

The video advocates moving beyond an Israeli-Palestinian solution towards a regional security framework involving Arab states and global powers. But Netanyahu has spurned such attempts led by allies.

💡indiscriminate bombing

Faced with global criticism over civilian casualties in Gaza, the US President called on Israel to ensure it avoids indiscriminate bombing. But no signs Netanyahu will heed this message.

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Transcripts

joining me now is veteran Israeli

politician former foreign minister Cil

Livi she's known Netanyahu for years

having worked both in opposition to him

and in Coalition with him Zippy Livy

welcome back to the program um can I

start by asking you are you surprised at

this stage 108 days since the massacre

and then the war on Hamas that all of a

sudden this anger these divisions within

the Israeli uh system are spilling out

into the

open well I'm not surprised that the war

takes so long because this is an

asymmetrical war between a country uh

and the terrorist organization we are

looking for victory they are looking for

survival so it takes time uh but the

fact that we have more than 100 hostages

uh that were taken uh and the statements

of uh prime minister netan

about the day after or his unwillingness

uh to deal with the uh different plans

that are on the table including by the

United States create now uh the division

again amongst the Israeli Society so

were you surprised like a lot of people

were that gadd Eisen Cott who's

generally very well respected in your

country is a member of the war cabinet

and observer member uh made that rather

you know quite blunt

intervention on Israeli television

firstly calling for elections

immediately or as soon as possible uh

saying that the Prime Minister had not

been telling the people the truth about

what was happening on the ground let me

just play a small sound bite and have

you

react we need within a few months to

return to the Israeli voter and go to

elections in order to renew trust

because at the moment there is no

trust so why is is there no trust do you

agree with him that there is no

trust uh firstly I am glad that uh Eisen

cot and bigards are part of the Israeli

War cabinet because I trust them more

than I trust the others there and the

moment in which they decide to quit this

is for me a message saying that saying

that they are not influencing anymore uh

the cause of things uh but I think that

in these are dramatic moments not only

only in terms of Israeli politics but

this will Define the future Israel

security the future of Israel and the

Palestinians in Gaza and therefore uh I

think that we should all focus on what

is the alternative for Hamas how can we

keep Israel's security and how to work

with and not against our allies and the

first and foremost the United States

that stands with Israel since day one

and offer some ideas about Regional uh

security matters uh the Saudis are

speaking about normalization and of

course they cannot abandon the

Palestinians but this can create uh new

opportunities for the future and I'm so

sorry that uh the Israeli Prime Minister

that netan is not uh using this

opportunity to create a better future

okay can you explain why I mean look

people have known that he has been

essentially against a two-state solution

from the beginning of his mandate when

he first got in power in 1996 but now

he's coming out and saying it publicly

and saying it in response to as you say

his biggest back of the United States

not to mention the entire uh uh you know

allies and and Western Community and as

you said some of the Arab states which

want to normalize with uh with Israel

for Israel security and and and the

like why is he saying this and and is it

what why why do you think he's saying

this netan now is netan tries to divide

the Israel Society on the same old

campaign who is for or against the

Palestinian state is also saying that

the pa the Palestinian Authority is like

Hamas they are all the same so we

shouldn't first uh Aid or help or uh

accept the presence of the PA in Gaza

STP and related to the establishment of

a Palestinian State now I do believe

that there's a need to take care of

Israel security uh this is crucial these

days but the real question how can we

for we form a different uh security

structure uh regionally and frankly when

we uh need to choose uh who will control

Gaza so the option the real options are

Hamas no way Israel Israel doesn't and

shouldn't take care of of two millions

of Palestinians that are there we don't

want to reoccupy Gaza we just need to

take care of our security so the third

option is a Palestinian regime uh

whether it's the PA or others but we

need to deal with it we need to give an

answer to this now because otherwise the

Hamas will continue they can you know

try to survive the next day to uh be the

regime in Gaza again and threatens not

only Israel but also uh the Palestinians

in Gaza and therefore this is truly

urgent to make this decision now it's

not the day after in the future it's

here and now so you just said that uh he

and many of his supporters equate the

Palestinian Authority with Hamas I mean

do you believe that to be the case given

the fact that it is the entity the

Palestinian entity that has recognized

Israel that works with Israel uh by and

large for the for the most part do you I

mean is that is that a smart thing to

tell the people of

Israel of of course it's not the same

but I would say the following I'll speak

about our interest it's not for me to

choose the Palestinian leadership but

yet it need to be clear by the in entire

International Community that it's not

going to to be Hamas or any terrorist

organization and we need the regime that

is willing to work with Israel on

security and give legitimacy to Israel

when we need to Fight Against Terror

also within Gaza Strip and to uh to be

responsible to the life of of the

Palestinians that are there so uh uh

whether it's a new PA renewed PA

Palestinian Authority or others it's

less important but these are the

parameters these are the conditions and

for now uh well the Palestinian

Authority is not uh um cannot um work or

fight Terror within Gaza Street that's

for sure it's too weak but I think that

we need to enter into an interim period

of time and try and work together with

regional stakeholders with the United

States to make to to begin these steps

uh toward the future and uh without any

hesitation and how do you think that's

going to happen if the prime minister is

just saying no who's going to make that

happen and as I said you know the

pollsters say that he apparently if it

was hisley could party going to

elections he's got like 16% compared

which is like you know less than less

than half of what Betty gance has at

about 37% who's going to create and

enable what you're just saying the need

to work with your partners uh to create

a final you know

peace well it's clear that for many

years I'm Nan's opponent is now losing

in uh polls and I do believe that this

is the end of Natan in Israel politics

and I do hope that those that will

replace him from a a center part of

Israel politics will adapt uh these uh

views that is a combination of Israel

security needs with a vision uh for the

future and hopefully a new Regional

structure and can I ask you about the

United States I mean what is the cost to

an Israeli leader or is there no cost of

dissing uh uh you know rejecting your

closest Ally particularly a president

who got up and showed the world that he

supported Israel in its hour of

desperate need uh embraced the Prime

Minister himself despite policy

differences supported uh the the the

right to self-defense and frankly the

way the war is being conducted very

worried about it now even calling to

stop quote indiscriminate bombing is

there a cost to a an Israeli leader who

publicly disses the president of the

United

States uh I I do believe that all that

the Israel public and most of the

Israeli politician I truly

appreciate uh uh the uh American

Administration who stands with Israel

since day one trying to help uh share or

show uh uh deterrence to others

including Iran and kisala that at first

uh we all all uh were um worried that

this can turn into a regional Ro uh and

this is the right thing when these

Horrors uh this uh uh Hamas as a terror

terrorist organization did these Horrors

and we are grateful and in a most um

appalling way it looks like uh the

American president is doing the right

thing without taking care of his own

internal politics while the Israeli

Prime Minister minister is just thinking

about his own politics without taking

care of of Israel's security needs as he

should and therefore it's not just about

being polite uh but it is also about

Israel security needs we need the United

States it's part of Israel uh strategic

uh security needs and uh therefore you

know Nan's campaign is I'm the only one

who can say no know to the International

Community including the United States

and I believe that we need a leader who

knows how to work with the United States

and our allies in defining Israel's

security needs and working together with

them and this is missing these days so

Zippy Livy you just questioned

netanyahu's self-described role as Mr

security and many Israelis question it

um and we know that and we've seen the

polls but I want to ask ask you this Gad

Eisen Cott said it is time to tell the

people the truth about a the war on

Hamas that that there's still two-thirds

of them at least by your own

calculations still are surviving but

most or maybe more importantly for the

people is the fact that you know the

military might as we are told has not

brought back your hostages most people

believe that it was a negotiation it was

a deal it was you know there was a pause

and you got back half the hostages half

of them

remain what do you think is I mean it

looks like Israelis believe that too I

mean they went into the knesset

today no I think that we there is no

Israeli who is not thinking now about uh

one-year-old uh hostage that was taken

with his parents and his brother and or

about the hostages and this is the most

important goal goal of of this war but

it's also clear that we can't afford

Hamas as a regime the next day and

therefore what I'm suggesting and we all

support uh the war against Hamas but I

do believe that since we don't want to

see them and nobody wants as a regime uh

the idea of working together with uh

deciding now who's going to replace them

can uh uh lead to uh a deal on the a

and also another regime at the end of

this war the sooner the better but the

war is being supported as the need to

release these hostes

because uh on one hand you have Israel's

Security on the other it's about

Israel's solidarity which is part of our

strength and we need to do it we need to

to have

both