Lawyer Reacts: Idaho Victims Share Horrifying New Details + What They Think Of Kohberger's Delay

Summary

The transcript covers updates regarding the Idaho murders trial. Victims' families are disappointed the trial is delayed until 2025 per the defense's request. Shannon Gray, the Gonzalez family lawyer, says the delay is a gut punch but not surprising. Kaylee Gonzalez's parents share new details about her murder scene, describing how she was trapped in her tiny dorm room and appeared to have fought back against her attacker. The details fuel speculation about the case evidence and theories from each side.

Takeaways

• 😞 The Idaho murder trial is delayed, possibly to 2025, which is very upsetting to the victims' families.
• 😠 The victims' families are frustrated with the lack of communication and rushed demolition of the crime scene by authorities.
• 😢 Kaylee's parents shared never-before-seen photos/videos of her and details about how she was found (trapped and fought her attacker).
• 🤔 The defense needs more time to review the massive amount of evidence (51 terabytes).
• 😥 Hearing the request for a 2025 trial date was a 'gut punch' to the victims' families.
• 😡 The victims' families are unhappy with how the investigation was handled and have had issues obtaining evidence.
• 🧐 Both prosecution and defense want to avoid mistakes that could lead to a successful appeal.
• ⏱ The trial will likely last 3-4 months whenever it ultimately occurs.
• 🤨 There are still many unknown details that will come out during the trial.
• 😵 The new details about how Kaylee was found are very disturbing.

Q & A

What new information did the Gonzalez parents share about their daughter Kaylee?

They shared never before seen pictures and videos of Kaylee. They also described for the first time how Kaylee was found - that she was sitting up in the corner of her small dorm room and had fought back against her attacker but was trapped.

Why was the Gonzalez family frustrated with the investigation?

They were frustrated by the lack of communication from authorities and the rush to tear down the King Road home where the murders occurred. They also raised concerns about how well possible evidence was processed.

What is the possible trial date and why might it get delayed?

Prosecutors wanted the trial held this summer but the defense said they cannot be ready before next year. The judge has not yet set a firm date but indicated it could be in late 2025.

How might the details about Kaylee's room be used by prosecutors?

The prosecutors could argue the small size of the room and position of Kaylee's body suggests she was trapped and overpowered by one perpetrator, supporting their theory that only Brian Kohberger committed the murders.

What needs to happen for the verdict to avoid appeals?

The judge and attorneys want to ensure proper procedures are followed and Brian Kohberger receives a fair trial, so that if convicted, he will have limited grounds to appeal and victims’ families will not have to go through another trial.

What type of evidence has been collected from the crime scene?

Police gathered over 100 pieces of physical evidence, 4,000 photos, and 3D scans of the residence where the murders occurred.

Why does the amount of evidence suggest there are still unknown details about the case?

The defense has received 51 terabytes of data related to the case. This massive amount, along with limited public information released, suggests there are still many details not yet known to the public about the case.

How might Kaylee's belongings provide insight into the timeline of events?

Kaylee's phone could reveal information about her movements and communications on the night of the murders. Authorities possessing a full digital copy of her phone data could help establish a detailed sequence of events.

Why does each legal team view details about the case differently?

The prosecution and defense have opposing positions and goals. They will interpret every piece of evidence in the light most favorable to proving or disproving Brian Kohberger committed the murders.

Why was it significant that Kaylee’s room was so small with limited escape routes?

The confined layout supports the prosecution’s theory that the victims were trapped and unable to flee from a single perpetrator who cornered and attacked them in their rooms.

Outlines

00:00

🎤 Update on Trial Delay and Victims' Reaction

Shannon Gray, attorney for the Gonzalez family, explains the trial will likely be delayed to 2025 despite the judge caring about the victims. This is emotionally difficult for the victims but expected to ensure a solid case without appeal issues. The long trial may take 3-4 months.

05:01

😢 Gonzalez Family Shares Details About Kaylee

The Gonzalez family shares photos/videos of Kaylee and their frustration with the investigation and communication. They explain how Kaylee was found - sitting upright, having fought back but trapped in the tiny dorm room. This suggests she couldn't escape and was overpowered by one perpetrator.

10:04

🏚 More Details Emerge Before House Demolition

Further details come out about the crime scene and evidence collected by police. The family raises concerns about how evidence like Kaylee's trash can was processed. They are upset the King Road house was quickly demolished, destroying potential evidence.

Keywords

💡Idaho murders

This refers to the quadruple homicide that occurred in Moscow, Idaho in November 2022. Four University of Idaho students - Kaylee Goncalves, Madison Mogen, Xana Kernodle, and Ethan Chapin - were stabbed to death in their off-campus home. The case gained national media attention but remains unsolved. The video provides updates on the investigation and trial proceedings.

💡Victims

The four students who were murdered - Kaylee, Madison, Xana, and Ethan. The video focuses on the families of the victims, particularly the parents of Kaylee Goncalves. They express frustration over lack of communication from authorities and delays in the trial.

💡Trial delays

The preliminary hearing was held on January 5, 2023. The defense requested the trial be delayed until 2025, while prosecutors wanted it held this summer. The judge has not yet set a trial date, leaving families upset over having to wait longer for justice.

💡Evidence

Details on evidence collected from the crime scene and victim's rooms are mentioned. This includes Kaylee's phone data, physical evidence, photos, and 3D scans. The amount of data points to a lengthy investigation and trial preparation.

💡Crime scene

The off-campus home where the murders occurred, referred to as the house on King Road. It was torn down weeks after the crime, frustrating families who felt potential evidence may have been lost.

💡Kaylee Goncalves

One of the four victims. The video focuses on her parents sharing new details about her death. She appeared to have fought back against her attacker but was trapped in her small bedroom.

💡Gag order

A court order preventing involved parties from speaking publicly about details of the case. This limits what info can be shared prior to the trial.

💡Suspect

A suspect has not been named or charged yet. But presumably prosecutors believe they can connect Brian Kohberger to the murders in order to bring charges against him.

💡Defense strategy

The defense team for the prime suspect will look for ways to create reasonable doubt about his guilt. They may argue the crime required multiple perpetrators.

💡Prosecution strategy

The prosecution aims to prove the prime suspect, presumed to be Brian Kohberger, is solely responsible for the murders. They will use evidence to show how one person could have committed the crimes.

Highlights

Trial delayed, possibly until 2025 based on defense request

Gag order in place, limited public information available

Victims' families frustrated with delays and lack of communication

Details about Kaylee's injuries suggest she fought back but was trapped

Police gathered significant evidence from the scene

Defense has huge amount of data to review before trial

Victims' families concerned about evidence collection and processing

Crime scene home demolished quickly, possibly affecting evidence

Limited information available to public due to gag order

Trial expected to last 3-4 months with disturbing details

Both prosecution and defense formulating arguments from evidence

Burden is on prosecution to prove guilt, despite horrific nature

Each detail can be used by both sides to argue their case theory

Delay and appeals process is difficult for victims' families

Significant evidence not yet public will emerge at trial

Transcripts

[Music]

what's up

everybody we are in my guy Rudy go bear

sneakers office here once again for

another video here from

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I am just making sure all the settings

are correct before we jump into today's

video which

is breaking down some new information on

the Idaho 4 victims speaking out

specifically hitting on two videos

they're both short we're going to hit

them together in one video here um a ton

of you sent them to me it was right

after the hearing coming out kind of at

the same time it looks like this trial

is going to be delayed so first we're

going to hear from Shannon gray about

what the victims specifically the gon

Solis family thinks about

the case getting delayed and cober are

pushing for that delay and then number

two we're going to hear from the

Gonzalez family themselves about some

shocking new details about their

daughter how she was found and what

maybe we can learn about this um and

what happened that night so bit of a

graphic warning um for anybody that

wants to listen to that it's it's a

tough watch I haven't watched it all the

way through I've just seen like a 30

second clip of it and I also haven't

seen what Shannon gray has to say so

we're going to be watching these videos

for the first time here together so

buckle up hit the like button and let's

jump right into

it if you were making plans this summer

um for the Idaho quadruple murder trial

change your plans it is not happening

this

summer it may not even happen next

summer and the reason we know that is

because there was a hearing today here

it is Steve Gonzalez was there with a

member of the family with his lawyer and

uh they got good news and that is that

the indictment is not being tossed out

okay it is going to go to trial but then

the pitched battle over when prosecutors

wanted this summer defense attorney said

no way in hell can I be ready before

next year and that's hard that's hard

because they have been waiting for

answers just like the rest it's a gag

order right I had a chance to speak with

Steve Gonzalez is attorney Shannon gray

a little earlier on take a

listen

first thing I noticed is Shannon gray

looks like he's joining the long hair

don't care team especially for lawyers

with long hair don't care so I'm a fan

of that Shannon what was the the process

like for Steve gonzalves and his family

today um there was so much on the line

everyone thought we'd get an answer

about a trial date and we

didn't well you know I try to prep them

um you know for the way things go in

this during this process that you know

we were either going to get a trial date

set or we were going to not get a trial

dat set or the judge was going to take

it under consideration um which he's

done quite often in the past and so um

you know and I'm sure he informed them

that the vast majority of the time when

the defendant asks for a continuance

once he's wav speedy trial because he

can't possibly get ready and he still

needs more information it's very unusual

for a judge to totally disregard that

the judge made it clear that he cares

about the victims he feels for the

victims he wants this case to go to

trial for the victims but everybody

wants to protect this verdict for the

victims we do not want to do this again

we do not want to open it up for appeal

we want this done right everybody the

public the victims the state the defense

everybody wants this done right doesn't

mean it's not going to be appealed but

we don't want to give any good appell at

issues if there is a conviction no going

in today and hearing about all of the

issues and then really surprisingly

hearing about the request by the defense

of 2025 trial date sured a long time

away uh I think was it was a big gut

punch to the family um you know I don't

know if that that really it's been an

emotional day because setting in the

idea that they might have to wait you

know another year or more for again not

surprising absolutely a gut punch and

sucks for them and it never goes as

quickly as they want it to in situations

like this so it absolutely sucks I feel

horrible for them um it's not a huge

surprise unfortunately and that's why

the whole Speedy truck thing and the

state pushing for cober to wave his

speedy trial it's like that's all well

and good but eventually it turns back

around you know and I can understand why

the victims would want a speedy trial

too but it's not their right to

wave for a trial date is is pretty

hard it's hard um and that trial may

actually end up being more like three or

four months as opposed to six weeks

which is what prosecutors suggest Ed so

when we do get a date maybe's also going

to be brutal on the family 2025 maybe

late 25 you're going to have to pencil

in a long

one all right so then we'll hop over

to the Gonzalez parents who share more

details about what they're learning and

again I was just talking again the

friends I'm hanging out with up here

about this case they don't know a ton

about it talked about some of the holes

some of the issues how we think the

state probably has more than we know

about right now so we've got to kind of

wait and see when the trial comes to

them it sounds a little sketchy but you

know we talked about the gag order

confidentiality the victim stuff that we

don't want to bring out um so there's a

lot we don't know and even stuff like

this these little details that come out

we don't know and we don't know how each

side plans on using them as the state to

prove that it was Brian coburger or how

Brian cobber and his team plan to use it

to say couldn't have been Brian cober it

wasn't Brian cobber must have been two

people maybe whatever their arguments

are going to be you better believe that

each team of lawyers is looking at every

piece of evidence and every detail a

different way in a way that will best

serve their interests so let's take a

listen now it's it's tough to hear but

it is new details and these are going to

be the kind of things unfortunately that

we're going to hear in this three to

four month trial so we've got to be

ready for some disturbing details to

come out and see how this EV and again

we've got to make sure we can separate

just because it's disturbing just

because it's horrible just because it's

sad just because we wish it never

happened to these poor kids and these

families doesn't mean it was Brian

cobber the state still has the burden to

prove that he is connected and he did

these horrible things and if they can

throw the book at him and the penalty

phase to me I think should be pretty

simple for this jury I don't want to get

ahead of myself but we'll see if they

can actually prove he did it because I

think that's still the big question in

everyone's mind not how horrific that is

this is or what potentially the penalty

should be so let's take take a listen

here just left in limbo this morning

Kaylee gonzales's parents sharing

exclusively with GMA never before seen

pictures and videos of their 21-year-old

daughter a type of you can like season

with these season with them but you can

cook with them yeah I know that's in

front of the

Tower yeah this is at the in front of

the University of Idaho Tower the family

still waiting on a full digital copy of

kayle's phone from authorities he said

the last moments of your child's life

and you're sitting here fighting with

somebody who just doesn't care they were

able to collect some of Kay's belongings

from the University over the summer

which raised concerns for them about how

well possible evidence was processed

including a trash can from kayle's room

that was full and appeared untouched we

opened it was a little um squeezy

applesauce thing like you would give to

like a Toler it did not appear to have

been gone through police saying they had

gathered more than a hundred pieces of

physical evidence from the scene along

with some 4,000 photos and 3D scans of

the residents still and again that's

probably part of the 51 terabytes of

data the defense has to go through

frustration mounting for the family over

what they consider a lack of

communication and a rush to tear down

the home on King Road christe no doubt

and no argument that they are not happy

with a lot of different ways and how

this investigation was donees for the

first time how Kaylee was found it's my

understanding Kaye was kind of sitting

up and had

fought yeah and the way that that room's

put together if you come through that

door you can't get out of that room

completely totally trapped you're in

tiny tiny room the bed the bed was the

entire room you barely open up the door

without swiping the foot of the bed and

so basically if you've seen some college

rooms apartment if you have a bed in

there queen size king size whatever

sometimes basically you open the door

there's the bed maybe a little dresser

and that's basically it there's no room

basically between the walls and the door

so she couldn't escape by running which

to Me Maybe it's some details that the

States can be able to use this is how

one person did it this is how they

trapped their victims in the room did

this nasty horrible deed in that room

but it's not like it was some huge room

where they were chasing people around

instead they were trapped there um and

and maybe some of the details showed

that the victims fought but there was

nothing they could do and they were

overpowered by um an individual

defendant which is what the states

theory is and has to be as they go

forward against just Brian cobber it was

wall wall you know the headboard was up

against the wall the cyer key was on it

was up against the wall and if you can

imagine key in an upright sort of

position up in the corner

slumped I mean she was trapped the home

on King Road was torn down in the

pre-dawn hours of December

28th so again they explain in those

details about how she was trapped how

she was found and and those are details

we've never heard before right and these

are just little Snippets that are

trickling out which show me the biggest

thing that tells me is there's so much

we don't know there's so much more to

this story it's going to come out and

again each side is going to use these

details to prove their theory of the

case and the other side's going to use

it to fight the opposition's theory of

the cases so that's what it's shown on

here it's no surprise it's a gut punch

to the family they're upset they're sad

about this potential and inevitable

delay it may not be the last one again

one Speedy trials waved this stuff is

not surprising um let me know what you

think of the new details let me know

what you think of the trial date I'm

interested to hear your opinion on the

victim's position and what they think

and what they feel about how this

process is going judicially and just in

the media thanks for being here um I'll

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