What Catholics and Protestants Believe About Mother Mary

Summary

The video script captures a theological debate on the Catholic view of Mary, contrasting it with Protestant beliefs. It delves into the Catholic practice of praying to Mary for intercession, which some find uncomfortable, and the Protestant stance that only Jesus is the mediator between God and humans. The discussion touches on the historical Council of Ephesus, the concept of Mary as 'Mother of God,' and the Protestant emphasis on direct prayer to Jesus, bypassing intermediaries. The script also addresses the lack of biblical support for praying to saints or Mary and the potential dangers of straying from this path.

Takeaways

• 😇 The Catholic view on Mary is a significant point of contention, especially regarding praying to and venerating Mary, which some find uncomfortable.
• 🙏 Catholic Doctrine teaches praying to Mary and asking for her intercession, a practice that some Protestants see as conflicting with the Bible's teaching of one mediator, Christ Jesus.
• 📖 The debate centers on the interpretation of Scripture, with some arguing that there is no biblical basis for praying to Mary or the Saints, while others believe in deducing practices not explicitly stated in Scripture.
• 🌟 Mary is considered the Mother of God in Catholicism, a title established by the Council of Ephesus in 431 AD to affirm the divinity of Jesus and counter the Nestorian heresy.
• 🔗 The concept of Mary as a mediator is rejected by some Protestants who believe in direct access to God through Jesus, without the need for intercession by Mary or the Saints.
• 🔑 The difference between latria (worship reserved for God) and dulia/veneration (honor given to Saints and Mary) is highlighted, with Mary receiving hyperdulia due to her unique position.
• 🤔 The script raises questions about the Biblical support for the idea of souls in heaven continuing to make intercession, a concept not explicitly found in the Bible.
• 🔮 Some argue that practices like praying the rosary and asking for Mary's intercession are similar to asking fellow Christians to pray for you, extended to the afterlife.
• 🚫 The script emphasizes the Protestant belief that praying to Saints or Mary is not only extra-biblical but also anti-biblical, potentially leading to spiritual dangers like opening oneself to familiar spirits.
• 🌐 The discussion touches on the broader issue of the diversity within Christianity, including various interpretations and practices related to Mary and the Saints across different denominations.
• 📚 The script concludes with a call to stick to biblical teachings, encouraging Christians to go directly to Jesus in prayer and rejecting practices that seem to deviate from Scripture.

Q & A

What is the main point of contention regarding the Catholic view on Mary discussed in the script?

The main point of contention is the Catholic practice of praying to Mary and asking for her intercession, which some view as conflicting with the biblical teaching that there is only one mediator between God and humanity, Jesus Christ.

What does the script suggest about the Catholic Doctrine's stance on praying to Mary?

The script suggests that the Catholic Doctrine teaches not only asking Mary for intercession but also praying to her and even worshiping her, which some individuals find uncomfortable and not in line with the Bible.

What is the biblical argument made against praying through Mary as a mediator?

The biblical argument is that the Bible states there is one mediator between God and humanity, which is Jesus Christ, and therefore praying through Mary as a mediator is seen as unnecessary and not supported by scripture.

What is the Council of Ephesus mentioned in the script, and why is it significant?

The Council of Ephesus was a church council in 431 that defined Mary as the 'Mother of God' in response to the Nestorian crisis. It is significant because it established a theological basis for Mary's unique role in Catholic belief.

What is the difference between latria, dulia, and hyperdulia as mentioned in the script?

Latria is the full adoration of God, dulia is veneration that can be ascribed to saints, and hyperdulia is a higher level of veneration specifically for Mary, because of her unique position as the mother of God.

What does the script imply about the Protestant view on Mary and intercession?

The script implies that Protestants do not believe in praying to Mary or asking for her intercession, as they believe that such practices are not biblical and that one should go directly to Jesus for intercession.

What is the script's stance on the idea of souls making intercession after they are in heaven?

The script questions the idea of souls making intercession after they are in heaven, stating that there is no biblical basis for this belief and that it is not a Christian doctrine.

What is the script's view on the use of the term 'Mother of God' in reference to Mary?

The script suggests that while some may find the term 'Mother of God' to be accurate because Jesus is God, others may prefer to say 'Mother of Jesus' to avoid confusion or theological complications.

What is the script's opinion on the practice of praying the rosary in Catholicism?

The script expresses discomfort with the practice of praying the rosary, viewing it as a form of praying to Mary rather than through her, which is seen as unnecessary and not biblical.

What does the script suggest about the relationship between Catholics and Protestants on the topic of Mary?

The script suggests that there is a significant difference in beliefs between Catholics and Protestants regarding Mary, with Catholics viewing her as an intercessor and Protestants believing in direct access to Jesus without intermediaries.

Outlines

00:00

😔 Catholic and Protestant Views on Mary

The paragraph discusses the contentious topic of the Catholic view on Mary, which includes praying to and venerating Mary, and the Protestant concern that this practice is not supported by scripture. The speaker expresses personal discomfort with the idea of praying to Mary and the concept of her as a mediator, which they believe contradicts the biblical teaching that Jesus is the one mediator between God and humans. The paragraph also mentions a debate between Ali Stuckey (a Protestant) and George Farmer (a Catholic) on the subject of Mary, indicating a broader conversation within Christianity about these practices.

05:03

😕 Biblical Authority and Mary's Role in Catholicism

This paragraph delves into the theological debate surrounding the Catholic practice of praying to Mary and the Protestant stance that ultimate authority lies only with the word of God. The speaker, identifying as Protestant, challenges the Catholic doctrine by asking for scriptural evidence of Mary's role as an intercessor and mediator. The discussion touches on the Council of Ephesus, which declared Mary as the 'Mother of God,' and the theological implications of this title. The speaker also expresses a concern that certain Catholic practices may border on Mary worship, which they find problematic.

10:03

😓 Theological Debates on Mary's Intercession and Veneration

The paragraph continues the theological discussion on the nature of Christ, the role of Mary, and the practice of praying to saints and Mary in Catholicism. The speaker argues against the Catholic view that Mary, as the mother of God, has a special authority to intercede, stating that the Bible does not support this claim. The conversation also addresses the difference between latria (worship reserved for God) and dulia/veneration (honor given to saints), with a special mention of hyperdulia given to Mary. The speaker emphasizes the lack of biblical support for the Catholic practices of praying to and through Mary and other saints.

15:03

🙏 Direct Prayer to Jesus: The Protestant Perspective

In this paragraph, the speaker emphasizes the Protestant belief in direct prayer to Jesus, arguing against the Catholic practice of praying through Mary and other saints. The speaker criticizes the use of the rich man and Lazarus parable as biblical justification for praying to saints, calling it a poor argument. The paragraph concludes with a strong statement against the Catholic practice, urging Christians to go directly to Jesus for prayer and intercession, as supported by scripture. The speaker also warns against the dangers of opening oneself to 'familiar spirits' by praying to saints and Mary, associating such practices with the occult and witchcraft.

Keywords

💡Catholic Doctrine

Catholic Doctrine refers to the body of teachings and beliefs held by the Catholic Church. In the video, it is discussed in the context of the Church's teachings on praying to and venerating Mary, which is a point of contention between Catholic and Protestant beliefs. The script mentions that Catholic Doctrine teaches praying to Mary and even worshiping her, which the speaker finds uncomfortable and at odds with the idea that only God should be the focus of worship.

💡Intercession

Intercession in religious terms is the act of mediating or pleading on behalf of others, often to a deity. The script discusses the Catholic practice of asking Mary for intercession, which is seen by some as a deviation from the belief that only Jesus Christ is the mediator between God and humans. The concept is central to the debate on whether it is appropriate to seek Mary's intercession in prayer.

💡Mother of God

The term 'Mother of God' is used to refer to Mary, the mother of Jesus Christ. The script d

Highlights

The Catholic view on Mary is a contentious issue, causing discomfort for some believers.

Catholic Doctrine includes praying to Mary and even worshiping Mary, which some find problematic.

The belief in ultimate authority of the Word of God, with no other mediator besides Christ Jesus.

Questioning the basis for souls making intercession in heaven, as it's not explicitly found in the Bible.

A debate between Ali Stuckey (Protestant) and George Farmer (Catholic) on the topic of Mary.

Candace Owens, not clearly defined in terms of religious affiliation, expresses issues with praying to the rosary.

The Catholic teaching that prayers are directed to Mary, causing discomfort among some believers.

The Council of Ephesus in 431 defined Mary as the mother of God, a concept that is still debated.

Differentiating between latria (adoration of God), dulia (veneration), and hyperdulia (special veneration given to Mary).

The argument that Mary, as the mother of God, has a special authority to intercede for believers.

The Protestant stance that believers should go directly to Jesus, not through Mary or saints.

Concerns about the potential for opening oneself to familiar spirits by praying to saints or Mary.

Theological discussions on the nature of Christ, the hypostatic union, and the implications for Mary's role.

Scriptural references to continuous offerings in heaven, including the role of Jesus and the priesthood.

The rejection of the idea that praying to Mary or saints is supported by the Bible, considering it anti-biblical.

The use of the parable of the rich man and Lazarus as an argument for intercession in the afterlife, criticized as a poor example.

Transcripts

what is the Catholic view on Mary because I think  it's a huge point of contention it's something  

that still makes me a little bit uncomfortable  I'm going to be honest Catholic Doctrine for sure  

teaches not just asking Mary for intercession but  praying to Mary and even worshiping Mary not being  

confined to the conscience except for the word of  God nothing has ultimate Authority except for the  

word of God the Bible literally says there is one  mediator between us and God the man Christ Jesus  

but that would be my issue with praying through  Mary is that we don't see her as a mediator in  

scripture Mary is the mother of God right she  must have given birth to God Souls afterlife  

continue to make intercession where do you get  the basis though that Souls continue to make  

intercession once they're in heaven where in the  Bible George where in the Bible does it say this

okay what Catholics and Protestants believe about  Mother Mary this was a debate between Ali Stuckey  

which I'm just starting to learn about and then  I think his name is George farmer that's Candace  

Owens husband so they debated he's a Catholic  Ellie Stuckey is a Protestant and they're going  

to talk about Mary there's a lot of other clips  from this podcast but I want to react to this one  

maybe I'll react to more in the future from this  let me know in the comments down below but let's  

watch this together and see what is the Catholic  view on Mary because I think it's a huge point of  

contention a lot of Christians are like you guys  pray to Mary you asked for intercession which is  

a valid argument and a valid concern it's a  concern I have for sure when it comes to the  

Catholic Doctrine among many others but that's  a whole other video that I have I'll probably  

put that down below my Catholics verse Catholics  compared to Christians but let's watch this and  

react I would say that the soul of scriptura  thing actually was one of the easier things  

for me to get over when studying the Catholic  faith and I thought it was a very good argument  

that it actually like show me where in the Bible  that you see this and the answer is I couldn't  

find it one of the things that was not so easy  and is not I don't even want to make it sound  

like it's past tense for me um Mary Virgin Mary  uh praying on the rosary trying to understand  

what the Catholic faith believes well we're  not praying to her which is the veneration of  

mother Mary it's something that still makes me a  little bit uncomfortable I'm going to be honest  

um so I don't know where Candace Owen stands  between I don't think she's Catholic I don't  

know if she's Christian or not I don't watch much  of her content but she says she's saying like I  

have an issue with this I don't understand this  whole praying to the rosary and a lot of Catholics  

in my comments and a lot of Catholics watch  my content they're going to say we don't pray  

to Mary but in catechism you literally get  taught to pray to Mary it's in the doctrine  

so you can say as a Catholic you don't pray to  Mary or you don't believe in it but the Catholic  

Doctrine for sure teaches not just asking Mary  for intercession but praying to Mary and even  

worshiping Mary which again I know Catholics say  we don't do that but the doctrine does teach that  

um Ali do you feel the same about this yeah  and now I would say I'm not rehashing this  

little scripture a thing because I know that you  can if you want to bookend something but we're  

yeah yeah we're moving past that but it is it's  not that Protestants don't believe that we can't  

deduce things like you said that okay it doesn't  say in scripture only by scripture alone just as  

it doesn't say well here is the Holy Trinity we  do believe in deducing we believe in theologians  

we believe in Creeds we believe in councils in  a similar way that the Catholic Church does it  

kind of but we would say nothing can bind to the  conscience except for the word of God nothing has  

ultimate Authority except for the word of God  and that and also we disagree with some of the  

deductions that the Catholic church has made one  of them being Mary and I'm sure that George will  

tell us what he believes the biblical support  to be of of Mary um but I would say good luck  

spoiler alert there is none that's the spoiler  alert there is no scriptures that say we should  

pray to anyone in fact the Bible literally says  there is one mediator between us and God the man  

Christ Jesus so we don't have Mary as a mediator  in the Bible we're talking here and in the end  

of the Orthodox Christian faith we don't have a  mediator we don't pray to the disciples we don't  

pray to saints that have passed away and you might  Catholics would say Well they're not dead we're  

not praying to dead people or communicating with  the dead which would be like necromancy which is  

vehemently prohibited in scripture but they would  say they're still alive in heaven they're not  

dead but physically they are dead physically they  are dead and so yeah the Christian Bible does not  

teach to enter ask for anyone for intercession  or to pray to saints that are physically dead  

yes they don't they say that they don't worship  Mary you say that you don't pray to Mary but  

you're praying through Mary that she is kind of  a mediator and the Saints as well yes because  

they are and you can correct by misrepresenting  you because I don't want to do that but because  

of their proximity to God basically they are  kind of carrying our prayers to God and Mary  

being the mother of God has a special place  a special authority to do that and of course  

I believe that that is not just wrong but I  actually believe that that's blasphemous that  

she has no Divine Authority yes she's blessed in  the sense of what an honor and what a privilege  

that she was a servant of God that she was able  to carry Jesus but Jesus alone is our mediator  

yes he alone is our intercessor he alone is who we  pray to and through and while Mary is in heaven we  

don't believe that anyone is in heaven because  of their proximity to God has any Authority or  

ability whatsoever to carry our prayers to him  um really good I'm new to her content so I've  

only seen a little bit of it I have some friends  that really like her stuff I really like the way  

she communicates I think she communicated that  precisely clearly and so I think she does a great  

job communicating her Point taking the Protestant  position which you're like what's a Protestant or  

Protestant if you're an Orthodox Christian you'd  be considered a Protestant versus you know she's  

talking to someone who's a Catholic so I think  she really is strong on this she's saying it  

clear she's saying it bold she's not afraid to  step over that line and maybe be offensive what  

what the Bible says and so I really like this  whole interview and all the clips from it and  

again maybe I'll react to more but uh interesting  we just don't see that deduced in Scripture that  

would be a big difference and I would say now  this could go against Catholic Doctrine but  

I there comes something very close to Mary worship  I would say in subsets of Catholicism which is  

interesting because you hear Catholics say a lot  oh look at all these Protestant denominations  

there are a lot of subsets of Catholicism  even if they're not called denominations  

um so yeah that's just an issue in general but  that would be my issue with praying through  

Mary is that we don't see her as a mediator in  scripture and I and I agree with that position  

so I'm very happy Candace says to her husband oh  she says I agree with that would you it's really  

awkward for Candace being a mediator or like  hosting this debate because they're labeling this  

as like a debate so probably a little bit awkward  for Candace being a mediator between I'm guessing  

her friend and her husband so let's keep watching  happy to hear yeah your answer to that because  

this has probably been my biggest hang up to be  honest with you this is like quiz the Catholic  

so there was there was a phrase which  I I want to come back to which I think  

was very uh interesting Adam what you  just said which is the mother of God  

all right and I I would start by asking is that  your position mother of Jesus and of course I  

believe Jesus is the word and the word is God John  1 and so I guess you could say I guess I probably  

wouldn't typically say the phrase Mother of God  I typically would say mother of Jesus [Music]  

yeah that's very where is he going with  this interesting answer I would say because  

um and I'm gonna get pretty uh theological here  kind of very quickly so the Council of Ephesus  

in 431 defined Mary as the mother of God and the  reason that the Council of Ephesus is one of the  

authoritative Church councilors to find Mary as  the mother of God was because it was facing the  

nestorian crisis now I don't think it's wrong to  say Mary was the mother of God because Jesus is  

God for sure 100 Jesus Is God I've done teaching  after teaching about that in my verse by verse  

definitively proving the Bible does teach Jesus  Is God it's just kind of a weird way to say it  

that Mary's the mother of God we would say Mary's  the mother of Jesus as Ellie said so yeah I don't  

know I don't know where he's getting at but yeah  for sure Jesus Is God an historian crisis said  

led by Bishop nistorius said that Christ was  two persons and he was he it was two Natures  

right within Christ it could not and and this  was the whole and I'm really abbreviating her  

and there's a lot more literature written on this  by much better people than me um but it is worth  

looking into this because the because basically  what this was saying is that Christ was two two  

Natures right he was his human nature and he was  his divine nature he's kind of going in circles  

but I think he's trying to tell us why they prayed  and what asked Mary for church eventually came to  

Define was that Christ could not be two Natures he  had to be one nature right hypostatically unified  

right which is what the Creeds exactly because  you cannot divide the nature of God right right  

and in doing so the church anathematized uh  nestorious and excluded him from uh communion  

with holy mother church and the reason being was  because as I said you're dividing the nature of  

God and then there's a whole conversation about  persons and how do you unify a person etc etc  

these were the christological debates of the  church come on just tell us why do you guys pray  

to Mary or through Mary or ask Mary the reason the  Council of Ephesus came up with theoticus Mother  

of God and Define this was because without saying  that Mary was the mother of God you left yourself  

open to the back door argument that effectively  the Nate that again she was the mother of Jesus  

right he was not the mother of God she was  the mother of one of the persons of Christ  

so in that argument right Mary is the mother of  God right she must have given birth to God right  

and that is the reason that in the Catholic  that is one of the reasons he's the second  

person of the Trinity yes not God the Father  correct God the God man yes correct but in  

the same way still fully God fully God exactly  in the same way that you can't say that like  

humans you know humans are a man this is way  going around the question because the question  

was in the Bible where where do we see this  we shouldn't even try to be a metaphor for the  

Trinity well no no I'm saying like complicated  of course it is of course it is but you want  

to make sure that you're not trying to break out  again it comes back to the Nature's conversation  

right you don't want to split the natures of  Christ because that becomes the real issue  

so Mary was the mother of God in confirming  Christ's Divinity right and again this is like  

the daily wire and this is we don't want to get  you know into the fifth century christological  

debates but that was the reason that she was  defined in that way as a result the church  

for for that reason plus many others would have  argued that what is traditionally ascribed to God  

which is called latria right um is adoration  latria is the full Adoration of God ascribed only  

to God it can only be given to God it is what is  celebrated in the mass it is what is celebrated in  

adoration of the Blessed Sacrament um dulia which  is a second stage which is what will be described  

as veneration can be ascribed to marry now what is  actually described to Mary is hyperdulia because  

she contains this unique position of being the  mother of God the Saints are granted Julia which  

is veneration and and the conversation around  Saints for example I would say is similar to like  

you know and I think this is the most applicable  uh metaphor would be like George where in the  

Bible right we're in the Bible Christian brothers  does it say we're supposed to pray the things pray  

for me about this issue please pray for me about  this topic I'm struggling with this I'm struggling  

with sin etc etc in the same way that we ask other  Christians brothers and sisters to pray for us we  

are asking the saints that the Catholic worldview  would say that doesn't stop at dead at death it  

continues afterwards right in the same way that  for example like Purgatory which is a state of  

purification of the Soul prior to energy which  is not a Christian doctrine or a Christian belief  

Protestants don't believe which correct persons  don't believe in um that would that would be the  

same logic we would say Souls afterlife continue  to make intercession like Souls on this Earth  

continue to ask for intercession where do you  get the basis though that Souls continue to make  

intercession once they're in heaven where in the  Bible George where in the Bible does it say this  

again spoiler alert it does it that's the  problem the Bible doesn't teach this idea  

of when you go to heaven you're praying or you're  in hell you're praying for people which yeah it's  

not the New Testament where people are saying I  mean I can I can definitely dig out some quotes  

for you if you'd like from just give us one talk  about that um again coming back to our first point  

because it is not singularly defined in scripture  does not mean that the church cannot uphold it  

as a Doctrine right so again this comes back to  the solar scripture argument which is our whole  

disagreement which is part of the whole yeah so  not everything's in scripture scripture is not  

exhaustive there's things that are outside of  scripture that are still okay they go in line  

they're harmonious with the word of God but when  something goes against scripture which praying  

to Saints or Mary or asking them for intercession  would go against scripture not only is necromancy  

which is talking to the dead prohibited and they  are physically dead even though there could be in  

heaven but also we have only one mediator so  we don't use them as mediators to God or the  

father so this is anti-biblical it's not just  extra biblical it's anti-biblical disagreement  

um so the church itself has confirmed that  but there are plenty of places and I'm you  

know I'm can dig out some quotes from show  us one if there's plenty shows one where  

there are plenty of places where intercession  art is asked for right in the afterlife where  

yeah I guess well I would say one of them for  example is the parable of uh the rich man and  

Lazarus and Abraham's bosom exactly no this is  not good don't go there he does it he doesn't  

but he is making intercession the the richness  that Abraham sends to his brothers and sisters  

you know testimony of his pain and hell  right and Abraham says no because he has  

the prophets and Moses that doesn't mean  that the option that does not mean that  

he could not have done it right it just means  that he decided not to in that circumstance  

right that's a poor illustration if you're using  that to justify biblically praying the Saints or  

asking them for intercession terrible terrible  terrible spot to use where a man's literally in  

Hell saying send somebody to my brothers to warn  them and then saying that's making intercession  

so that would also say if a catholic's using  that argument that would say so you're praying  

so you're praying in hell if you're in hell  you're praying for people so it's just a very  

poor argument you just can't get there from here  so again the fact that petitions are being made  

in the afterlife is referenced how is that is  that a is that a belief no I wouldn't pray to  

those from using that well that's why I'm not  sure if that's a good example because I don't  

think exactly because you can pray to people  from hell and they can intercede no I'm not  

saying that it does but I'm saying that there is  examples Checkmate I'm sorry bro you lost this way  

you're just lost I'm sorry to test the fact that  people in the afterlife are making petitions right  

now whether or not that is yeah from hell is not a  Catholic position no I would yeah I guess I would  

just need to see the biblical support for that  or where because you talked about how they can't  

count for example like that there are testimony  in and again you're not going to use these because  

the Apocrypha is not upheld but in Tobit for  example where life after death is attested to uh  

in syrac as well which are not canon canonizer  not scriptures they're not biblical there are  

references in Hebrews to the fact that continuous  offerings are being made in heaven on part of the  

on part of the priesthood which is also yeah  Jesus the hyper is forever making intercession  

in communion with how we as Catholics identify the  mass which is a continual offering right so there  

are several circumstances where the example of  offerings in heaven being made right are attested  

to in scripture right and so Mary is a super  mediator because she is the mother of God just  

super Authority in heaven to carry our prayers  she is yes she is the as in her unique position  

I just don't understand why would you go to Mary  if you can go directly to Jesus well Mary is going  

to bring our prayers to Jesus and he'll answer his  mother but just go straight to him the veil's been  

torn we've been given the power and the authority  to boldly approach the throne of grace it makes  

absolutely no sense why go to Mary you can  literally skip Mary and go directly to Jesus our  

relationship is not with Mary the gospel is about  Jesus bringing us now into relationship with the  

father giving us peace with God and now we have  a relationship with Jesus and the father like  

that's the gospel so why why go to Mary I don't  understand Mother of God she is in a position and  

of course like Catholics would also argue that for  example this it's exhaustive why go to variations  

where a woman is brought forth and she gives  birth right to the one who will save the world  

um this this there are plenty of examples of it  that's not what it's saying brother I'm sorry I  

mentioned many times in the same way that Peter  is mentioned more than all the other Apostles put  

together in the gospels Mary is mentioned several  times as Jesus's mother she has a unique place at  

the foot of the cross her unique positioning is  clear within scripture and again it's come being  

dogmatically defined in a church Council which by  the way the Protestant Church accepts the Council  

of Ephesus it's not rejected um so in all of these  circumstances Mary's unique position is upheld  

as hyperdulia yeah so he ran around the topic he  didn't answer any of the questions he didn't use  

the Bible for sure the only example he gave was  the rich man in Lazarus which was an absolutely  

terrible example because it's literally a  man in Hell saying please send someone to  

war on my brothers it's not about intercession  or prayer so just the whole praying to Mary if  

you're Catholic let me know in the comments if  you're still watching this by the end type Amen  

in the comments so I know that you watched the  whole video but no this is just anti-biblical  

we don't pray to Saiyans we don't pray to Mary  we don't ask for intercession if we're gonna  

be biblical we go straight to Jesus it just makes  sense it's the clear precise thing to do it's the  

biblical thing to do if you start trying to pray  to Saints and Mary you're opening yourself up to  

familiar spirits we know that witches use Saints  to pray to to get intercession it's all in the new  

age and the Occult uses praying the Saints no no  no don't open yourself up don't do it don't pray  

to Mary Don't worship Mary you can go directly to  Jesus and you have authority and power to do that  

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