Session 2: The Income Statement

Aswath Damodaran
3 Sept 202016:28

Summary

TLDREl guion del video ofrece una introducción a los estados de ingresos en la contabilidad, comparando los métodos de contabilidad por caja y por derecho adquirido. Expone la clasificación de los gastos en operativos, de financiamiento y de capital, y cómo se reflejan en los estados financieros. Detalla el proceso de reconocimiento de ingresos y la importancia de la depreciación en la contabilización. Además, menciona la aparición de estados de ingresos pro forma y advierte sobre la interpretación crítica de los mismos, enfocándose en el análisis de los distintos tipos de ingresos y el impacto de los gastos en las declaraciones financieras.

Takeaways

  • 📊 La declaración de ingresos es un aspecto fundamental del curso de contabilidad y se analiza en detalle en la segunda sesión.
  • 📈 Existen dos métodos de registro de ingresos: la contabilidad por derechos (acruals) y la contabilidad por efectivo (cash), siendo la primera la más utilizada en negocios más grandes.
  • 💼 La contabilidad por derechos requiere registrar las transacciones cuando ocurren, independientemente de si se ha recibido o pagado dinero.
  • 🏭 Los gastos se clasifican en gastos operativos, financieros y de capital, cada uno con un propósito y ubicación específica en la declaración de ingresos.
  • 📉 Los gastos operativos están asociados con los ingresos generados en el año en curso y se restan directamente debajo de la línea de ingresos.
  • 🏗️ Los gastos de capital, como la construcción de una fábrica, se registran como activos en el balance general y se amortizan a lo largo de su vida útil.
  • 💻 Los gastos financieros, generalmente los intereses deudas, se restan después de los gastos operativos y la depreciación para obtener el ingreso tributable.
  • 🌐 La reconocimiento de ingresos puede ser complicado para empresas que venden productos o servicios por contratos plurienales y requiere la distribución de ingresos a lo largo de los años.
  • 📋 Los gastos generales y administrativos (SGNA) capturan todos los costos relacionados con las operaciones que no se pueden rastrear a productos o servicios individuales.
  • 📘 Los estados financieros suelen incluir un desglose geográfico y por segmentos de negocio para entender mejor la fuente de los ingresos.
  • 🔄 Los estados financieros también pueden incluir ingresos extraordinarios o gastos, que se consideran eventos aislados y no repetitivos, y que se separan para no distorsionar la visión de los resultados habituales.

Q & A

  • ¿Qué son los estados de resultados y cómo se relacionan con el proceso contable más amplio?

    -Los estados de resultados son un informe financiero que muestra el flujo de ingresos y gastos de una empresa en un período determinado. Forman parte de un proceso contable más amplio que incluye la elección entre la contabilidad por derechos o la contabilidad por efectivo para registrar los ingresos y gastos.

  • ¿Cuál es la diferencia entre la contabilidad por derechos y la contabilidad por efectivo?

    -La contabilidad por derechos registra las transacciones cuando ocurren, independientemente de si el pago se ha recibido o realizado. Por otro lado, la contabilidad por efectivo registra los ingresos y gastos solo cuando se reciben o pagan los pagos correspondientes.

  • ¿Qué se entiende por ingresos y cómo se reconocen en la contabilidad por derechos?

    -Los ingresos son los fondos que una empresa recibe por la venta de bienes o servicios. En la contabilidad por derechos, se reconocen los ingresos cuando se realiza la transacción de venta, incluso si el pago no se ha recibido todavía.

  • ¿Cómo se clasifican los gastos en una declaración de ingresos?

    -Los gastos se clasifican en gastos operativos, financieros y de capital. Los gastos operativos están asociados con los ingresos generados en ese año, los financieros están asociados con el uso de capital no propio, y los de capital son gastos que generan beneficios a lo largo de muchos años.

  • ¿Qué es el costo de bienes vendidos y cómo se relaciona con el ingreso bruto?

    -El costo de bienes vendidos son los gastos directamente asociados con la producción de los productos o servicios vendidos. Se resta del ingreso total para calcular el ingreso bruto.

  • ¿Qué es la depreciación y cómo se relaciona con los gastos de capital?

    -La depreciación es el proceso de escribir off los costos de los activos fijos a lo largo de su vida útil. Se considera un gasto de capital y se muestra como un gasto operativo a través de la depreciación o amortización.

  • ¿Qué son los gastos financieros y cómo se relacionan con el ingreso tributable?

    -Los gastos financieros, generalmente los intereses por deudas, se restan después de los gastos operativos y la depreciación para calcular el ingreso tributable antes del pago de impuestos.

  • ¿Qué es el ingreso neto y cómo se calcula?

    -El ingreso neto es el resultado final de las operaciones de una empresa después de deducir todos los gastos, incluyendo los impuestos. Se calcula restando los impuestos del ingreso tributable.

  • ¿Qué es un estado de resultados pro forma y cómo difiere de un estado de resultados estándar?

    -Un estado de resultados pro forma es una presentación de los resultados que modifica las reglas contables para reflejar mejor la situación financiera de la empresa. A menudo se utiliza para ajustar la contabilidad de gastos que la empresa considera no representativa de su operación normal.

  • ¿Qué son los items extraordinarios en un estado de resultados y cómo se manejan?

    -Los items extraordinarios son ingresos o gastos no recurrentes que se separan del resto del estado de resultados para que los inversores entiendan que no se repetirán en el futuro. Sin embargo, si un item extraordinario aparece con frecuencia, se debe cuestionar su naturaleza extraordinaria.

  • ¿Cómo se manejan las inversiones en otras empresas en el estado de resultados?

    -Las inversiones en otras empresas se manejan de dos maneras: si se tiene una participación minoritaria, se registra el ingreso proporcional en el estado de resultados. Si se tiene una participación mayoritaria, se requiere la consolidación y se registran los resultados de la empresa subsidiaria en su totalidad.

Outlines

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📊 Introducción a los Estados de Resultados y Métodos de Contabilidad

En esta segunda sesión del curso de contabilidad, se aborda el tema de los estados de resultados. Antes de sumergirse en los detalles, se mencionan dos enfoques de registro de ingresos: la contabilidad por rights (acruals) y la contabilidad por efectivo (cash). Se explica que la contabilidad por efectivo es más sencilla y puede ser utilizada por pequeñas empresas, pero la mayoría requiere la contabilidad por rights, que implica registrar transacciones al momento de su ocurrencia, independientemente del flujo de efectivo. Se ilustra con un ejemplo de venta en diciembre, donde se debe registrar el ingreso aun no recibido. Además, se clasifican los gastos en operativos, de financiamiento y de capital, y se describe cómo se reflejan en el estado de resultados.

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📈 Desglose de los Gastos y Conceptos en los Estados de Resultados

Se profundiza en el análisis de los gastos, diferenciando entre gastos operativos, relacionados con los ingresos generados en el año; gastos de financiamiento, asociados con el uso de capital no propio, generalmente intereses deudas; y gastos de capital, que benefician a lo largo de varios años, como la construcción de una fábrica. Se describe cómo cada tipo de gasto se presenta en el estado de resultados: los gastos operativos se restan a los ingresos para obtener los ingresos operativos, los gastos de financiamiento se restan después de los gastos de depreciación para obtener el ingreso tributable, y los impuestos se deducen de este para obtener el ingreso neto. Se enfatiza la importancia de entender la clasificación y el papel de cada gasto en la presentación financiera.

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🌐 Reconocimiento de Ingresos y Consideraciones Geográficas y por Segmento

Se discute el reconocimiento de ingresos, especialmente en casos complejos como los contratos a término de múltiples años, donde es necesario distribuir los ingresos a lo largo del período del contrato. Se menciona la creciente sofisticación en la contabilidad para abordar situaciones donde los ingresos cubren servicios a lo largo de varios años. Además, se destaca la importancia de la desglose geográfico y por segmentos de negocio en la presentación de los ingresos, lo que permite a los inversores entender mejor la fuente de los ingresos de una empresa, aunque la detallación puede no ser siempre completa deseada.

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🏢 Costos y Gastos en la Operación y su Impacto en el Estado de Resultados

Se exploran los costos de bienes vendidos y otros gastos operativos, como los gastos generales y administrativos (SGNA), y cómo estos se relacionan con la operación de la empresa sin una conexión directa al producto o servicio. Se explica el proceso de depreciación, distinguiendo entre la depreciación económica, contable y fiscal, y su impacto en las declaraciones financieras. También se mencionan los intereses como gastos de financiamiento, y cómo pueden ser explícitos o implícitos, y cómo a veces se restan de los ingresos por intereses. Se concluye con la discusión sobre ingresos extraordinarios, la consolidación de holdings y la importancia de los estados de resultados pro forma, que a menudo se utilizan para ajustar las normas contables y presentar una imagen más favorable de las operaciones de la empresa.

Mindmap

Keywords

💡Estado de Resultados

El Estado de Resultados es un informe financiero que muestra el ingreso y los gastos de una empresa en un período determinado, generalmente trimestral o anual. Es fundamental para entender el rendimiento de una empresa y es el núcleo del tema del video, donde se discuten diferentes aspectos de su preparación y análisis.

💡Contabilidad por Derechos

Contabilidad por Derechos es un método de registro de ingresos y gastos basado en la fecha en que las transacciones ocurren, no en la fecha de pago. Se menciona en el video como la forma más común y requerida para la mayoría de las empresas, y se contrasta con la contabilidad por efectivo.

💡Contabilidad por Efectivo

La Contabilidad por Efectivo es un método de registro que registra los ingresos y gastos solo cuando se reciben o pagan en efectivo. Es referido en el video como 'contabilidad de chequera' y es más sencillo pero menos utilizado que la contabilidad por derechos.

💡Gastos Operativos

Gastos Operativos son aquellos que están directamente relacionados con la generación de ingresos en el año en curso. En el video, se explica que incluyen costos de mano de obra y materiales, y se relacionan con el ingreso generado en ese año.

💡Gastos Financieros

Gastos Financieros son los relacionados con el uso de capital que no es de capital propio, generalmente intereses de préstamos o deudas. En el video, se discute cómo estos gastos se registran después de los gastos operativos y antes de calcular el ingreso tributable.

💡Gastos en Capital

Gastos en Capital son inversiones a largo plazo, como la construcción de una fábrica o la compra de equipo, que generan beneficios a lo largo de muchos años. En el video, se menciona que se registran como activos en el balance general y se deprecian o amortizan a lo largo de su vida útil.

💡Ingresos

Ingresos son las ganancias obtenidas por una empresa por la venta de bienes o servicios. El video enfatiza la importancia de la reconocimiento de ingresos en la contabilidad, especialmente en casos de contratos a largo plazo.

💡Costo de Bienes Vendidos

Costo de Bienes Vendidos son los gastos directamente asociados con la producción de los productos vendidos o servicios prestados. En el video, se indica que se resta de los ingresos para calcular el beneficio bruto.

💡Depreciación

La Depreciación es el proceso de reducir gradualmente el valor de un activo fijo a lo largo de su vida útil. En el video, se discute cómo la depreciación会计 depreciation difiere de la depreciación económica y tributaria, y su impacto en la declaración de ganancias.

💡Interés

El Interés es el costo de tener deudas y es un gasto financiero. En el video, se menciona que puede ser un gasto explícito como en préstamos bancarios o隐含 en otros acuerdos como arrendamientos, que pueden requerir un cálculo de interés implícito.

💡Ingresos No Operativos

Ingresos No Operativos son aquellos que provienen de inversiones o activos no relacionados con las operaciones principales de la empresa. En el video, se da como ejemplo los ingresos por intereses de inversiones en otras empresas o por tener un portafolio de valores.

💡Consolidación

La Consolidación es el proceso de combinar las cuentas de una empresa y sus subsidiarias en un solo estado financiero. En el video, se describe cómo las empresas con una participación mayoritaria en otras deben consolidar sus estados financieros para reflejar la propiedad total.

💡Estado de Resultados Preliminar

El Estado de Resultados Preliminar, o Pro Forma, es una versión del estado de resultados que puede incluir ajustes no estándar para reflejar mejor la situación financiera de la empresa. En el video, se advierte sobre la necesidad de verificar la justificación detrás de estos ajustes.

Highlights

Introduction to income statements and the broader accounting process.

Explanation of two income recording methods: accrual and cash accounting.

Cash accounting is simple, recording revenues and expenses as payments are received and made.

Accrual accounting records transactions as they occur, regardless of cash flow timing.

Accountants classify expenses into operating, financing, and capital expenses.

Operating expenses are directly associated with current year's revenues.

Financing expenses relate to the cost of non-equity capital, often interest on loans.

Capital expenses are for assets expected to provide benefits over multiple years.

Operating expenses are subtracted from revenues to calculate operating income.

Capital expenses are recorded as assets and depreciated over time.

Financing expenses are subtracted from operating income to determine taxable income.

Revenue recognition can be complex for multi-year contracts in software companies.

Geographical and business segment breakdowns of revenues are increasingly provided.

Cost of goods sold and other operating expenses are key components of the income statement.

SGNA (Selling, General, and Administrative Costs) as a catch-all for operational expenses.

Depreciation methods: economic, accounting, and tax depreciation explained.

Interest expenses can be explicit or implicit and may be netted against interest income.

Consolidation of majority-owned companies' financials into the parent company's statements.

Extraordinary items as one-time events separated in the income statement.

Pro forma income statements as an alternative to standard accounting practices.

The importance of verifying adjustments made in pro forma income statements.

Different levels of earnings reported: gross, operating, and net income.

Transcripts

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in this

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the second session of my course in

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accounting

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i'd like to talk about income statements

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and before we delve into the details of

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income statements

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there's a broader process that i want to

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talk about

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there are two ways you can record income

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one is through what's called accrual

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accounting the other is through what's

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called cash accounting let's take the

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easier half

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of this first in cash accounting here's

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what you do

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you record revenues as you get paid you

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record expenses as you pay them i call

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it checkbook accounting

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and if you have a really small business

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you might be allowed to get away with

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this

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cash and cash out but in most businesses

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you have to use accrual accounting

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what is what is a cruel accounting

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required to do it requires you to record

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transactions as they happen let me give

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you an example

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let's suppose you as a business sell

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something on december 30th

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let's say you have a calendar you're in

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you haven't been paid yet

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but you've sold the item you have to

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record the revenues of what you've sold

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in that year's financials even though

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you haven't been paid yet

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and you then have to record expenses

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associated with those transactions

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even if you haven't paid for them yet or

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you paid for them last year

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in effect accrual accounting requires

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you requires you to record

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transactions as they happen not cash

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inflows and cash outflows

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we'll come back and talk about the

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issues this creates for the

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for us in finance because we use accrual

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income statements

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but let's take a closer look at the way

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accountants think about expenses

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broadly speaking accountants classify

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expenses into

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operating expenses financing expenses

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and capital expenses operating expenses

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are expenses associated with the

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revenues you generate

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this year labor material

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easy ones right but there are other

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expenses you might say these are

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expenses associated with the revenues i

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create this year those are your

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operating expenses

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financing expenses are expenses

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associated with the use of

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any capital that's not equity most often

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this is a bank loan or debt you've taken

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on

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the interest expenses and you've got

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capital expenses

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capital expense are expenses and items

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that create benefits over many years

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easy example your manufacturing company

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you build a factory the factories expect

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to generate revenues this year but over

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many years

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equipment that lasts many years is a

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capital expense

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so operating expense expenses associated

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with creating revenues only this year

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financing expense expenses associated

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with the use of any non-equity capital

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and capital expenses expenses that

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create benefits over many years

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in an accounting sphere each has its

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place

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in fact let's see how each of these

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expenses play out

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operating expenses show up just below

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the revenue line item in an income

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statement

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you subtract them out to get to

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operating income

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capital expenses don't show up as

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expense of the year that you make them

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they show up on the balance sheet as an

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asset

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but they get written off over the

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lifetime of the asset in the form of

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depreciation or amortization

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which shows up as an operating expense

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financing expenses

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show up below the operating income line

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so after you've subtracted out your

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operating expenses and the depreciation

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portion of your capital expenses to get

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to operating income

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you subtract out financing expenses to

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get to taxable income

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you then pay taxes to get net income

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at least as you see it you can see

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expenses play out in different parts of

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the income state a different part of the

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financial statements

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and at least if you follow first

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principles it does make sense

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so let's break down income statements

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and go

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through these items and at least talk

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about the broad principles that govern

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how we think about each item

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every income statement starts with

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revenues should be easy right

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we'll see there are some companies where

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it can be problematic

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then you subtract out cost of goods sold

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these are the expenses

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directly associated with producing the

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products or service you sell

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to get the gross profit then you

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subtract out other operating expenses

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selling expenses marketing expenses gna

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expenses

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to get to operating profit from

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operating profit you subtract out

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financing expenses primarily interest

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expense you get to taxable income

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then you pay taxes you get to net income

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simple right let's start at the top

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let's talk about revenues

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now as i said in accrual accounting you

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record revenues

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as you transact so as you sell something

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even though you haven't been paid you

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showed his revenues

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and most companies when you sell a

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product to service you record the

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revenues when you sell them you're done

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but what if you're a software company

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and you sell me a product

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for a three-year contract in other words

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i pay up front for the next three years

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to get use of your software for the next

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three years

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do you see the problem you're going to

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face you if you show the entire amount

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as revenues this year

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it's not quite fair because these are

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revenues for the next three years

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so over the last few years accounting

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has become much more sophisticated about

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dealing with products and services

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where your revenue covers services you

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have to provide over many years

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in fact the new rules require that you

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try to show

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the portion of your revenues that are

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attributable to this year and then take

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the rest and show them

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as deferred revenues in future years so

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for many companies

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revenue recognition is simple but for

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some companies it can be tricky

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and if you keep going in a financial

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statement in the footnotes increasingly

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companies are required to tell you more

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about the revenues

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in what ways as companies enter into

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multiple businesses and multiple

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geographies they have to tell you where

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they get their revenues

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in fact most companies if you keep

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digging through the footnotes will tell

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you

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where in the world they get the revenue

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so geographical breakdown now as we will

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see when we look at individual companies

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that geographical breakdown might not be

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as

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detailed and as

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as comprehensive as you'd like it to be

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but you have to take what you're given

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so many u.s companies for instance might

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report that they get

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75 of the revenues in the u.s 25 the

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rest of the world

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and you might say the rest of the world

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is a really big place but it is what it

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is

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but companies have become better

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breaking down the revenues

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geographically

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and if you're in multiple businesses

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companies generally will also

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break down revenues by business segment

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again the way they break down business

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segments might not be the way you

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want them to break it down but the way

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they think about the businesses

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so if they look at a company like disney

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it breaks its revenues down

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into theme parks and broadcasting and

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movies and other businesses

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and it reflects the fact that they're in

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multiple businesses

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so revenues get recognized when you

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record them but if it's for multiple

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years you got to try to spread it out

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over those years

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let's move on to cost of goods sold and

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other operating expenses

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as i said cost of goods sold or our

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expenses

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associated with producing the product or

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service you're selling

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other operating expenses are expensive

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associated with operations but there's

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no direct

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connect to actually the product or

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service

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i'll give you a simple example one of

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the companies we're going to look at in

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the example portion of this session

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is coca-cola the cost of the syrup

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and to the extent that they own bottling

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points the cost of manufacturing the

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bottles

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becomes cost of goods sold for coca-cola

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but selling expenses advertising

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expenses the expenses associated with

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operations

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are really not cost of goods sold they

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show up below the cost of goods sold

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line

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cost of goods sold gets netted out from

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revenues to get to gross profit

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other operating expenses get netted out

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from cost of goods sold

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to get to operating income now one item

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you're going to see as you start looking

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at companies

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is a consolidated item called sgna what

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does that capture

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pretty much everything but the kitchen

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sink selling general

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administrative costs becomes this lump

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all

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that companies use to put expenses that

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are related to operations

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that you can't trace to individual

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products or services

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so operating expenses you've got cost of

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goods sold you got other operating

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expenses

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now one of the items that will show up

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as part of the operating expenses

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is the capital expenditures you're

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writing off over time in the form of

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depreciation

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now when we talk about depreciation it's

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worth remembering that there are three

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ways in which you can think about

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depreciation

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the first is economic depreciation which

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is if you take a piece of equipment you

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use it becomes less

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useful the more you use it the ages

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economic depreciation is supposed to

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capture the

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aging of your asset you can forget about

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economic depreciation now

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because in financial statements what you

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get is accounting depreciation

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how is accounting depreciation

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calculated like much of accounting based

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on a set of rules

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i'll give you an example one form of

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accounting depreciation is called

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straight line depreciation

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what is it required to do you buy an

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asset that you tell me as a life of 10

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years you write off

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one tenth of that asset value every year

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over the next 10 years

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you see that makes no sense accounting

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depreciation is mechanical it's more

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rule driven

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and there are a whole host of

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depreciation rules that are purely

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accounting groups

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there's a third form of depreciation

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just to make life even more messy

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it's tax depreciation we're going to see

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as we get into finance that the reason

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depreciation matters is it saves you

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taxes

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so the objective in tax depreciation is

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to not capture

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the true loss in value economic

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depreciation

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or even follow the rules as an

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accounting depreciation it's to minimize

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taxes pay

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and as we will see with many u.s

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companies the depreciation you see

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reported

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in the income statement in your annual

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report

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might not measure up or be the same as

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the depreciation you see

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in the tax statements so economic

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depreciation accounting depreciation tax

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depreciation

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and financing expenses the most common

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financing expenses of course interest

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expense on debt which can take the form

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of interest either on a bank loan

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or coupons on a corporate bond

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increasingly though accountants have

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learned that

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there are items that should be

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classified as that that don't show up in

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the form of bank loans and corporate

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bonds

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when we get to the balance sheet section

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i'm going to talk a little bit about

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leases

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when a retail store signs a 10 year

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lease i'm going to argue

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that that contractual commitment to make

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lease payments is really very much like

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that and accountants have also come

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around to that point of view

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and what that does mean is sometimes

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once you convert those lease commitments

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into debt you've got to compute the

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interest

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expense you'd have had on that debt even

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though it might not have been called an

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interest expense

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so interest expenses can be explicit on

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bank loans and corporate bonds it can be

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implicit and items that accountants have

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converted to debt

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in some companies it's worth noting that

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interest expenses sometimes

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netted out against interest income that

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the company might earn

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on its cash and marketable securities

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and report it as a net item

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now remember if you have a lot of cash

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and very little debt that

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net interest expense can become a

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negative number in other words your

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interest income

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exceeds expense so if you're in an

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income statement you see net interest

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expense and you see a negative item it's

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probably because the interest income

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exceeds the interest expense

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now once you've got the interest expense

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out of the way there's one more cleaning

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up operation to do

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so you got to operating income you've

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subtracted our interest expense

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if your company has non-operating assets

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the

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income from those non-operating assets

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will show up below the operating income

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line

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let's start with the easy one many

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companies have

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millions billions of dollars in cash

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that they hold

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now that cash is not held as currency

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it's invested in marketable securities

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usually liquid and

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close to riskless tables commercial

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paper and it's earning income

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that income will show up below the

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operating income line

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that's the easy one if you made

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investments in other companies the way

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the

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income from those investments will show

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up will depend on the magnitude of your

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holding

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let me be explicit if you own three four

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five percent of another company it's

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called a minority holding

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the income from that holding will be

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recorded

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as part of the income in your income

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statement but below the operating income

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line

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in other words you show the five percent

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of the net income or net

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loss of that company as part of your

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income statement that's if you hold a

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small portion

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if you own 55 or 60 of another company

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you have what's called a majority

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holding an accounting requires you to

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consolidate

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now this is a very messy process so hang

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in there here's what accountants ask you

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to do

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they ask you to act like you own the

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entire company see that makes no sense

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you got to hang in there you have to

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count 100

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of that subsidiaries or that of that

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other company's revenues as your own

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operating income is your own

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then you've got to record the personal

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company that doesn't belong to you in

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the balance sheet we'll come back and

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talk about how it's recorded

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but if you own more than 50 a majority

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stake in a company you have to

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consolidate

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which brings us to one final cleanup

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item

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many income statements you see a line

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item for extraordinary

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income or expenses what this term

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implies is these are

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one-time income expenses you don't

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expect them to continue so you're

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going to separate them from everything

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else to help investors up

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the examples of extraordinary items

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would be one-time expenses from say

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or gay one-time gains or losses from

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selling assets

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a one-time lawsuit charge that you got

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to pay out

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right officer charges associated with

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mistakes made in the past

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things you believe are truly one time

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let's face it though if you truly have

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an extraordinary item it has to show up

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only

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once in a while stating the obvious

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but if you see a company claiming that

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an item is extraordinary and it shows up

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year

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after year after year you've got to be a

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little skeptical we'll talk about what

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to do with those companies

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but truly extraordinary items are

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separated out because

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they won't repeat themselves one final

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point about income statements

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increasingly in the last few years

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companies have turned to in addition to

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reporting an income

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statement reporting what's called a pro

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forma income statement

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what do they do there they break the

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accounting rules and

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sometimes they do it for good reason

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they do it because they believe

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that the accounting is not treating an

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expense

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consistently i'll give you an example if

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you're a company like netflix you could

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argue that what you spend

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on acquiring subscribers should really

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not be treated as an operating expense

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because those subscribers stay on for

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multiple years so you might say

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look customer acquisition cost or a

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portion of it

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should not be treated as an operating

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expense so

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some of the adjustments are really for

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good reasons

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and some are driven by a more trivial

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reason you want to make your losses

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look like profits you're going to keep

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adding things back till you get there

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as investors you shouldn't completely

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dismiss performance statements but you

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should verify

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in other words when you see expenses

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move from operating to

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capital or operating to financial you

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got to pass it through the test

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it does that make sense and when you see

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expenses removed because the company

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claims that they're extraordinary it's

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your job and my job to make sure they're

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truly extraordinary

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so here's the bottom line the end game

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in an income statement is report how

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much your company made but

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viewed through the eyes of accountants

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as earnings

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those earnings can be reported as gross

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income operating income on net income

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each has a place to play as we will see

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when we get to the ratios

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but each sends a different message about

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the company

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i hope you found the session useful and

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we'll try this out

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on real companies in the follow-up

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session

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thank you very much for listening

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