EV vs ICE Debate - Grow Up People!!
Summary
TLDRIn this video, the host discusses the Eevee versus Ice debate and shares his experience with Toyota's first full-fledged electric vehicle, the bz4x, which is also branded as a Subaru. He highlights the challenges of charging electric vehicles (EVs), especially without a home charger, and addresses the polarizing nature of the EV community. The host also delves into the impact of using air conditioning on EV range, comparing it to internal combustion engine vehicles. He emphasizes the importance of having an open and mature conversation about EVs, acknowledging that while they are not suitable for everyone, they offer a viable option for many. The video aims to clarify misconceptions and promote a balanced view of EVs in the automotive market.
Takeaways
- π The Toyota bz4x is Toyota's first full-fledged electric vehicle, shared with Subaru.
- β‘ The vehicle's charging time from 30% to 100% is approximately 1 hour and 35 minutes at a Genie Point charger.
- π₯ The debate over electric vehicles (EVs) versus internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles is ongoing and polarizing.
- π‘οΈ The use of climate control in EVs can significantly impact range, as demonstrated by a 31-mile drop on a hot day.
- π€ The video creator is a car journalist who assesses vehicles without bias towards the type of fuel they use.
- π The creator lives in a flat without a home charger, making EV ownership inconvenient for him.
- π There is a learning curve and new experiences associated with EVs, even for seasoned car reviewers.
- π The range loss due to AC usage in EVs can be compared to that of ICE vehicles, with some suggesting an 8-10% reduction for ICEs.
- π± Preconditioning an EV can help manage range by setting the climate control while the car is plugged in.
- π The video creator emphasizes the importance of understanding individual needs and scenarios when considering an EV or ICE vehicle.
- π£οΈ The video highlights the sensitivity and defensiveness of some EV proponents, which may not be helpful in promoting EV adoption.
Q & A
What is the debate mentioned in the video about?
-The debate mentioned in the video is about the comparison between Eevee and Ice, which seems to be a metaphor for electric vehicles (EVs) and internal combustion engine vehicles (ICEs).
What is the Toyota bz4x and why is it significant?
-The Toyota bz4x is Toyota's first full-fledged electric vehicle, which is also shared with Subaru, making it significant as it represents a major step by a traditional automaker into the EV market.
What was the range of the car after charging for about five minutes?
-After charging for about five minutes, the car's range increased from 30% to 40%, with an indicated range of 94 miles.
What issue did the car's climate control cause that was discussed in the video?
-The car's climate control consumed a significant amount of battery power, causing a drop of about 31 miles in the indicated range just by switching it on to full.
What was the purpose of the video posted on the Brown Car Guy's Facebook page?
-The purpose of the video was to share an observation about the impact of using the climate control on the EV's range and to spark a discussion about how this compares to an ICE vehicle.
What was the temperature like on the day the car's climate control was tested?
-The temperature was very hot, with temperatures above 30 degrees Celsius, which is considered quite hot for the UK.
What was the range drop when the AC was turned on during a drive on a milder day?
-On a milder day with the car in motion, the range dropped by about 12 miles when the AC was turned on.
What was the response to the video on different social media platforms?
-The video received various responses, with Facebook having the most engagement. YouTube, Instagram, and TikTok also had viewers who generally took the video as a genuine inquiry and tried to answer the question posed.
What misconceptions about EVs were highlighted in the video?
-Some misconceptions highlighted include the belief that EVs are more likely to catch fire than ICE vehicles, and that EVs are difficult to operate or require extensive knowledge about preconditioning.
What was the general sentiment towards the discussion of EVs in the Facebook comments?
-The sentiment towards the discussion of EVs in the Facebook comments was polarizing, with some people being very defensive and others expressing strong negative opinions about EVs.
What advice does the video creator give for the discussion around EVs?
-The video creator advises that the level of discussion around EVs should be raised from shouting matches to more mature and pragmatic conversations that consider the day-to-day realities of people and their needs.
Outlines
π Toyota's First Fully Electric Vehicle: The Bz4x
The speaker introduces the Toyota Bz4x, which is Toyota's first full-fledged electric vehicle, shared with Subaru. He discusses the car's charging process at a Genie Point charger, noting the range impact of using the climate control system. The speaker also mentions a post made on his Facebook page about the car's range loss when the AC was turned on, which sparked significant debate.
π€ Comparing EV Range Loss to Petrol Cars
The speaker ponders the range loss in electric vehicles (EVs) when the AC is turned on full, comparing it to the loss in petrol cars. He shares his experience from a day when the car's range dropped significantly after using the AC. He also talks about the mixed responses he received on social media, particularly on Facebook, where the discussion became quite heated.
π₯ The Importance of Climate Control in EVs
The discussion shifts to the importance of preconditioning an EV, which allows setting the car's temperature before getting in. The speaker argues that while this feature is useful, it should not be a requirement for operating an EV. He emphasizes the need for EVs to be intuitive and user-friendly, regardless of whether the driver owns the car or not.
π¨ Addressing Misconceptions About EVs
The speaker addresses misconceptions about EVs, particularly the idea that they are more likely to catch fire than petrol cars. He cites statistics showing that EVs are significantly less likely to catch fire and criticizes the elitist attitude he perceives in some EV communities. He also discusses the importance of understanding the pros and cons of EVs and not blindly worshipping a particular brand or technology.
π€ The Need for Open Dialogue About EVs
The speaker calls for a more mature and open-minded discussion about EVs. He emphasizes the need to listen to concerns and understand different perspectives. He also highlights that not everyone is ready for EVs, and that's okay. The speaker advocates for a balanced view, considering the practicality and suitability of EVs for different individuals and situations.
π The Charging Process and EV Adoption
The speaker provides an update on the charging process of the Toyota Bz4x, noting how the charging speed slows down as the battery gets closer to full. He reiterates the importance of having a choice between different types of vehicles and the need for a mature conversation about the adoption of EVs. He invites viewers to share their thoughts and engage in a constructive dialogue.
Mindmap
Keywords
π‘Eevee
π‘Toyota bz4x
π‘Charging
π‘Range
π‘Climate control
π‘Preconditioning
π‘EV debate
π‘Heat pump
π‘EV adoption
π‘Elon Musk
π‘Intuitiveness
Highlights
Debate between Eevee and Ice continues with the Toyota bz4x, Toyota's first full-fledged electric vehicle shared with Subaru.
Charging experience at a Genie Point charger with the Toyota bz4x, noting a 10% increase in 5 minutes and a full charge time of 1 hour 35 minutes.
Discussion on the impact of climate control on electric vehicle range, comparing it to traditional petrol cars.
Personal experience with the car on a hot day in the UK, where the air conditioning reduced the range by 31 miles.
Engagement on social media, particularly Facebook, regarding the video posted about the climate control's effect on range.
The importance of preconditioning an EV for efficient use of climate control and the debate around its necessity.
Criticism and defensiveness from the EV community in response to the video, showcasing the polarization of opinions on EVs.
Comparison of the perceived range loss between EVs and internal combustion engine cars when using air conditioning.
The need for intuitive design in cars, regardless of whether they are EVs or traditional vehicles.
Comments from viewers on Facebook suggesting that preconditioning and understanding EVs is essential for proper use.
Highlighting the difference in range loss when the car is moving versus when it's static, as experienced on a different day.
The importance of raising the level of discussion around EVs to be more mature and pragmatic.
The acknowledgment that EVs are not suitable for everyone in their current state and with the current infrastructure.
The value of choice in the automotive industry, allowing consumers to select the type of car that best fits their needs.
The role of a motoring journalist in assessing cars based on their suitability for different people and scenarios.
Final thoughts on the need for empathy and understanding in the conversation around EVs and their adoption.
Transcripts
hi guys so the Eevee versus Ice debate
rages on so I am right now in the Toyota
bz4x and this is of course Toyota's
first full-fledged uh electric vehicle
they share the vehicle with Subaru so
it's also branded as a Subaru as well
and um
it was a post that I put up with this
car so actually right now I'm sitting
here charging so I'm charging up it's
gone up to I came here with about 30
percent it's already gone up to 40 in
about five minutes although it's telling
me a full uh time for full charges one
hour 35 minutes I'm a Genie Point
charger at Morrison's near me uh at 40
it's giving me a 94 mile range I think
if I can get up to 80 85 and that should
be fine so while I'm doing that I
thought let me touch on
um something that's gone a bit crazy on
my Facebook page so that's uh
facebook.com forward slash Brown Car Guy
so I got this car on uh Thursday last
week
today is
um uh today is Wednesday today's
Wednesday
so I didn't drive the car I drove it the
following day which was Friday so it was
delivered to my place I didn't drive it
I drove it on the following day which
was the Friday that was the first day
that I drove the car and um here in the
UK if you remember so this so that was
Friday what the eighth or ninth or
something like that it was one of the
heart of September it was one of the
hottest days that we've had I mean
temperatures were uh I think 30 degrees
plus Centigrade that is you know so it's
very hot so I went out somewhere I
parked the car came back to the car and
of course I had to work on the uh
climate control
that seemed to gobble up about 31 miles
of the indicated range on the car just
by switching it on to full
um and I posted that video because I
thought oh that's quite interesting you
know and I posted that video and that
thing has gone a little bit crazy why
I'll tell you right after this
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okay so in that video so let me just
first of all be absolutely clear
like all of my stuff it's authentic you
know I'm not trying to
let me just be clear There's No Agenda
right I'm not anti-ev I'm not
necessarily Pro AV I Am pro car all cars
you know and to me EVS are just another
car you know I'm not prejudiced to what
type of fuel it's running I assess them
as a merging journalist I assess them as
a car I assist them for Fitness or
purpose and to see which car is suitable
for what kind of person and what kind of
scenario that's what I do right car
right person right situation that's what
I'm trying to do right so I'm not
anti-ev in any sense whatsoever but of
course EVS are still a relatively new
thing I do not own an EV I don't
envisage owning an EV
um anytime soon because whilst I live in
London I as you can see I'm here at a
public charger because I don't have a
home charger I live in a flat or an
apartment and there's no way for me to
charge the car at home so it's extremely
inconvenient I have to come out here
spend an hour here
um to do this
um so there's no way that I would own it
so I don't own one but every now and I
get one a review I go on lunches I've
just come back from
um yesterday I did a byd dolphin launch
that review is now live on my channel go
check it out and um
the point is that it's a new experience
for all of us and as for me as a
journalist as well although to be honest
I've probably done more electric car
reviews in the last year than I have in
nearly 35 years of reviewing cars so you
know I I read a fair bit of experience
now driving them and testing them but
not necessarily living with them over a
longer term and I don't see that I could
really like I said because of my current
circumstances so when I get one of these
cars and I'm trying it out and I'm
experiencing it then I want to share
some of those experiences with my
audience so when I got into the car that
day and it was really hot and like I
said that's probably I drove it to a
place a park I went off to do some stuff
then I came back to the car car was
really hot I was really hot jumped in
the car switched it on this car and then
saw the mileage was on 220 I think it
was and it dropped to one uh what was it
189 or something like that anyway it's
on the original video in fact let me
show you the original video this is the
mileage range showing in a new V and
it's a really hot day
hot day the climate control 19 degrees
it's nice and cool cool seats are on and
look at
how much range
has changed just by turning that on so
that's what 31 miles
I know there's a lot smarter people out
there than me uh in terms of mathematics
can anybody do me a favor and work out
what is the range that you would lose if
you kept the AC on full on a petrol car
thanks a lot right so that's what
happened and that's what genuinely
happened you know and I thought that's
quite interesting so let me I so I
posted that you know and the reason I
posted that I was like okay well I mean
we lose range on a levy if we do that
how much would we lose on a petrol car
because obviously the petrol diesel car
certainly on a petrol car you would also
lose range you know I lived in the
Middle East and we run AC all the time
and of course you know that the AC stops
power and I remember Way Way Back
growing up in Saudi Arabia in the 80s
and our boost button on our cars used to
be the AC button so when we were getting
into street races and stuff like that
not anything that I condone but you know
those are different times
um you know you did you turn off the AC
when you needed a little bit more punch
from the engine because you knew that
that would give you a little bit more
power
um so we know about this right so I know
that the the uh internal combustion
engine will also use it so it was a
genuine Cadet so now a quick question I
was like okay can anybody out there help
me in trying to figure out how this
Compares you know how an EV would
compare to an internal combustion in the
car in terms of you know putting the AC
on full now I emphasize AC on full
because actually you yesterday I went to
that event that I talked about the drive
event for the byd on the way back on the
road I did the same thing again
um I turned the AC on but yesterday was
much milder it was also raining
yesterday it's a bit like today it
wasn't that hot it's much mild today
um but I wanted I wanted I I moved onto
the motorway so I closed the windows and
I wanted to work the thing on right when
I did that and so I had it off closed
the windows I turned it on and I noticed
the range only dropped by about 12 miles
so there's definitely a difference there
maybe because the car was moving but I
think more likely because it was very
very hot that day temperatures like I
said above 30 probably the temperature
of the car was about 30 because they'd
been sitting in the sun and so it had
probably gone into maximum setting or
something and that's what it was doing
so the original uh video that I put up I
said that that was a 14 difference I
think even yesterday I lost about 12
miles
at the time I had to range of about 120
miles so I would say that that's still
actually 10 now to be fair a lot of
people did actually respond very
positively to my person and in fact I
put that same video up onto Facebook
which is what I'm talking about but I
also put onto YouTube I also put onto
Instagram and I also put it onto Tick
Tock uh the most responses I got were
obviously on Facebook the second most
responses I got were on on YouTube
and to be fair on YouTube another thing
it's quite interesting because in the
three other places people generally took
the video for what it was it was a
genuine question it was a genuine bit of
curiosity and a lot of people tracks he
tried to answer the question and I'm
very grateful for that and a lot of
people came pretty much a lot of people
said the uh internal combustion engine
car would probably lose about eight to
ten percent of its range as well if you
did that turn the AC on full whack you
know and um and so the EV was 14 but now
having experienced it yesterday at about
10 I'm saying you know what Evie's in
the internal combustion engine probably
on par so visually you can see the range
drop so that's a little bit alarming but
in terms of how much it actually saps
energy out of the car it's probably on
par they're probably about the same
maybe like one or two degrees worse but
not really much difference in it so
that's the reality of that situation but
what I want to talk about here today is
I want to talk about some of the
responses
um that I got
on the Facebook page and I should just
say that the the high heat question is
quite important important for me and
some of my audience because some of my
audience I still have from the Middle
East and of course the Middle East now
also is adopting the EV and for them
this is a big question and of course
over there AC is essential climate
control is essential because you cannot
drive without it because you will die
you know it's as simple as that but
anyway so I posted it on all of these
channels but Facebook I don't know what
happened on Facebook I don't know if
it's been shared in a certain group I
know it has I think it's had eight or
nine shares there so I don't know where
it's been shared but for some reason
um you know it got really really quite
crazy
um
let me find some of the just some of
them it's still I wasn't on now I think
the last time I looked it was on 250
comments but it's rising all the time so
you know it's going crazy so let me go
through some of this stuff right and um
one of the ones I want to say uh this is
this is one of the ones that was posted
yesterday Aaron Johnson
says in response to my question because
you're static once you start
driving the vehicle will regen on
braking
is it necessary is it necessary to call
me a I mean it's a genuine
question uh yeah maybe because the car
is static maybe that is maybe because it
was very hot day there's a number of
reasons and we can discuss that you know
and this is the important thing that is
important to discuss these things let me
go back and look at some of the other
comments right
uh Gavin Simmons so many comments from
people who don't understand how to use
an EV the guy in the video owns one and
hasn't pre-conditioned the car with the
car before using it it's laughable how
thick people are when faced with new
technology
and I responded I stopped responding I'm
not responding to any of these now but
the time I think this was quite an early
one and I responded I responded to a
couple of them and just to clarify I
said it's not my car and John Watkins
had uh replied to that brown car guy
that's no excuse
what do you mean it's no excuse it's not
my car
um and let me let me just say my
understanding of preconditioning and an
EV and again correct me if I'm wrong you
know but this is my understanding of
preconditioning an EV
um basically it's down to the fact that
you can preset the temperatures in the
car before you get into the car you can
do that by various settings to the
system itself through your app most
likely through your app you can adjust
it through your app you can directly
communicate to your car through the app
that you have and you can do that and
usually this is done and again correct
me if I'm wrong but my understanding is
that usually this is done because the
car is at home and it's plugged in or
it's somewhere and it's plugged in so
it's plugged in so whilst you're doing
that it's not draining power from the
battery on the car it's plugged in so
it's it's it's able to do that now of
course that situation I had gone
somewhere I had parked up the car and
then I came back to the car the car was
Mega hot I was Mega hot I jumped in the
car like I would do with any petrol or a
diesel car I jumped in like I did like
I've done millions of times in the
Middle East I jumped in turned it on and
whacked up the AC because that's what
you would do why should that be any
different because I've got an EV why do
I need to think about that 10 minutes
before but even if I could do that plus
I'm not going to download an app I've
just said it's not my car
it's not my car I don't own it I don't
have to you know customize all the
settings I've only got it for a few days
I'm not going to download an app you
know and think a lot of people in this
scenario if they're renting a car
they're borrowing a car it's a fleet car
whatever you know a lot of people may
not do that you know there needs to be
an ease of use people need to understand
that you know like one of the
fundamental tests that I do in a car as
a motoring journalist
um and this was another motoring
journalist who told me this years and
years and years and years and years ago
he said if you can't get into the car
and you know within five minutes know
how to drive off in it there's a problem
if you can't figure out how to turn the
radio on within five minutes there's a
problem with the car so ergonomically
the car should be intuitive you should
be able to know how to do these things
you know you shouldn't need to go away
and read the manual to operate that
vehicle because if you do then there's
something fundamentally wrong with the
design of that car you know and and I I
maintain that you know and um so Gavin
Simmons didn't come back this is the
original guy here every series came back
when I said this is you know it's not my
car and he said then don't drive it
unless you understand how to use it
especially if you're going to post a
real on the internet and post bad
information
so first of all
um the real the thing is if you bother
to click through to see who I know it's
been shared somewhere but if you click
through to see who brown car guy is and
you will see that he's a murdering
journalist and he's assessing cars and
the real is part of the content that he
produces particularly this thing don't
drive it so this is some kind of elitism
now coming into the EV world you know
don't drive an EV if you're not worthy
enough
it's just a car all right like all cars
I've driven everything all right
um
Nico hang on let me see uh what these
were
Nico Comas said to Gavin Simmons because
a lot of back and forth now going on on
this Facebook post I think you're giving
the general public way too much credit
man I work at hospital and spoke with 11
employees who all own electric uh
Vehicles rubians Tesla and navy win
three doctors and neurosurgeon several
surgical not a single one of them knew
what preconditioning their car was
referring to all of these people are
significantly more intelligent than the
average person thank you Nico thank you
and you've just proven my point it's
like you know not car should be
intuitive you should know what to do you
know and you know maybe somebody should
have told you that you can precondition
it but maybe that doesn't apply in all
situations and to all people you know so
that's you know
and Gavin responds to the guy in my
experience the more intelligent an
individual is the less inclined they are
to listen to a car salesperson when
collecting a car people assume that a
car is a car but technology moves on and
every day is a school day every day is a
school day
but a car is a car
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uh Paul Griffin said to Gavin Simmons
precondition your car do we work for the
cars or do they work for us you assume
that wherever you park you'll be plugged
in I get in my ice vehicle and I have
heat or air whenever I want enjoy your
life being controlled by Elon your king
there's a lot of Elon Musk worship that
goes on in these EV groups you know
um we'll come back to that in a minute
so that was that response and yeah I
mean I think that's a fair response as
well Kevin Perry then can you work out
how much you pollute out of the toxic
exhaust in a petrol car in comparison to
me doing the same miles as my Tesla
Tesla Uh Kevin Perry again because you
have a rubbish EV that car does not have
a heat pump if it does it's rubbish go
and do the same in a Tesla it has the
most advanced heat pump you can get it
loses virtually zero because of the Heat
and the AC comes from the pump get more
educated on them before you post wow
there's another one of the things where
it's like oh you're not allowed to post
anything unless you're a genius and you
know everything there is to know about
these cars I am motoring journalist I
spent 35 years covering the industry and
covering cars I don't know everything
about them and that's the wonderful
thing but also I share my experiences
with my audience I think that's part of
the learning process that we're all on
especially when it comes to
transitioning to new technology but
again this assumption that it must be a
rubbish you don't I didn't even mention
what car was I didn't actually say in
that post what car it was I never
mentioned that this is in fact a brand
new car from one of the biggest car
manufacturers in the world a
significantly bigger than Tesla uh I
gotta say Tesla I'm not a particularly a
big fan the only thing I like about Elon
is SpaceX because I'm you know as you
can see who's sci-fi fan so I like the
SpaceX thing and also I only think I can
relate to him on is the fact that he's
got the latest history of the uh spy who
loved me he's actually got the car
itself and he promised to turn it into
submarine I don't know if he's done it
yet but let me tell you one thing he's
not Tony Stark so all those people like
hero worship the heck out of Elon Musk
you know I mean you know he's a
businessman done good all right let's
just be honest about this okay
um and Teslas they have their merits but
they're not the best cars out there so
you know and but the biggest Merit that
Tesla do have is they made electric cars
sexy and desirable and glamorous so
that's where you know the real credit
lies but car manufacturers Legacy car
manufacturers have a lot more experience
doing building cars and certainly the
electric cars are a new technology
um again some people did actually try to
just answer the question Scott Colley
about the same percentage and like
heating AC isn't a byproduct of burning
fuel energy is energy fair enough uh
it's when
Mecklenburg AC on a petrol car AC will
take average of seven kilowatts of power
from the engine my Mustang deleted by
100 kilometer of your consumption will
go up from 10.5 to 11.8 liters per 100
kilometer very useful information thank
you very much David spurtle AC in most
causes two to three miles per gallon and
it flat out up to five to seven mile per
gallon so between 30 and 60 miles so a
reasonable answer so thank you for all
those people that took time to
understand that that was a genuine point
of uh inquiry and they took time to
actually respond both on Facebook and
YouTube and a few also on Instagram and
Tick Tock so thank you very much but the
other people Paul Frost for example
simply commented again on Facebook do
you need medication
no I have asked the question why should
I need medication
and then you have people that just jump
on the whole EV thing they're like milk
floats waste of time uh says Robert
Walker Michael Willis the great electric
con you know
um and then and a lot of uh trig
helender EVS must suck ass
um Barry donachi ah so Evie's actually
have AC I just thought they got so hot
they burst into flames
yeah
to be fair that's funny but you know
it's it's a misguided misconception you
know the reality is uh what was it I got
a figure yesterday which they are 20
times less likely to catch fire than
internal combustion engine car uh that's
from Sweden that's information is from
Sweden and then the information from
America the insurances to America is
that 25 cars 25 EVS out of 100
000 uh cars sold 100 000 EVS sold only
25 were reported to have caught fire
compared to 1 500 plus petrol cars out
of 100 000. so you can see this is still
a significant difference there they only
travel with the EVS of course is that
when they do Catch Fire it's pretty
spectacular and of course they're almost
impossible to put out so that's the only
problem so that that's that's that's
where the issue is you know Ian Morgan I
called BS I know many EV drivers
including myself have never seen or
heard of anything like this climate
control takes a very small amount of
power compared to actual driving well it
was what it was but as I've clarified
you know yesterday I found it different
but I think that particular situation
maybe because the car was static maybe
because it was incredibly hot and when I
got in the car the car was very hot then
maybe that's why it made a difference
um just to update you on this I'm now up
to 63 on this car so whilst I've been
talking to you and we'll be talking
about 18 minutes now
and uh 145 mile range it says 50 minutes
to a full charge now interesting so
these are petrol guys going now our
petro and Diesel guy is going now that
my my car is so much better than uh an
EV uh Mike Howard for example says your
first mistake was buying uh an EV your
second mistake is that you really
believe is better for the environment
and the conventional combustion engine
wake up and look at the facts then I
said to Mike this is again must have
been an early one because I responded
and I said this is not my car and then
Michael Martin says brown car guy not
your car that explains it all do you
tell them that you use their car for
viral hate reels to ignorant morons
so it's not a viral hate reel
again I don't know where this has been
shared and what kind of group uh where
they've gone you know the knickers and
the twist quite frankly but there's not
the same response that I got from the
other three uh platforms that I posted
on sits on Facebook for some reason that
I got this you know
um like so Michael Martin did post
another comment just another real aim to
angry drivers who think their lives are
coming to an end because of electric
cars I'd say you change the setting to
get the 30 mile diff considering it
costs much less to charge to get 30
miles back it's an inconsequential
number and therefore irrelevant I didn't
change any settings what you saw on the
video is what you saw I didn't edit the
video I was literally like there and
there look at the difference I I don't
do that you know
um there was one more
okay this was again another early one
this was Mark Hallows who said uh laugh
my ass off well-known fact your AC in
any car and your MPG drops to the floor
so goth chalk horror when it does the
same in an EV interesting
um but again you know this is one of the
early ones so I don't know why I
responded to that one I think you are
insinuating something but it's a genuine
question I'm just curious as to what the
comparison would be to be fair to Mark
Carlos he did come back any any kind of
like I think he had a much different
tone and he was like brown car guy no
comparison and yes I was a little so you
know it is very transparent with EVS
that they lose range in cold weather and
if you run lots of stuff uh but the tech
heat pumps for AC and heating are
already light years ahead of previous
Tech and even though I've never had an
issue with EB range been across Europe
many times they were really hit the mass
adoption curve when the camera sees
improve and range hits four to five
hundred miles yeah it's quite right so
it's very very reasonable response there
thank you very much now so what do we
learn from this there's a couple I think
there's three things that we actually
learned from from something like this
scenario that happens on that happened
in this particular post on Facebook and
it's still going strong so we're gonna
go check it out it's right there
um I may even put the link below if I
can anyway uh so first of all one one
thing I think that is is very very
apparent and this is not just from this
post but generally and other stuff that
I've done for example you know some of
the events and conferences that I've run
as well the Eevee discussion is so
polarizing you know you either
absolutely are a evangelist as I call
them like you will not hear a wide word
against them or you absolutely detest
them and you think they're the spawn of
the devil you know and you know it's
it's absolutely crazy and it's just like
you just can't meet in the middle you're
either on this side or you're in this
side the trouble for people like me is
I'm in the middle you know I'm right
down the middle here I'm just like I'm
just like I said I'm just assessing them
as any other car I'm emergic jealous I'm
just doing my job as mismatching
generally saw they're like okay it's a
new car this is a new product let's test
it let's see what it can do let's see
what it can do every single car has pros
and cons everything every single car has
good bits and bad bits that applies to
petrol and diesel cars as well you know
so we've all and as emerging journalists
people say oh look at that that's good
that really works I know look at that
that may be an issue that's not so good
you know that's what we do and we're
doing the same with EVS it's not like
we're trying to put EVS down we're just
like okay well this works this doesn't
and don't forget Evies is a nascent
technology it's still new it's still
fresh it's still they're still teething
troubles not only with EVS but you know
with the lifestyle and the charging
infrastructure around Aries
the second point that I said that I that
I realized from this is the and this is
particularly for evangelists is that
they are so sensitive and so defensive
so even when you're not trying to imply
anything they jump on you it's like
you've insulted their child it's like
what it's like no I didn't mean that
it's not what I was saying you know you
have to go like whoa whoa whoa guys whoa
hang on I'm just asking a question here
why do you have to go so defensive for
why you have to jump on me it's not that
but that but that's generally a case
with a lot of these it's just like they
immediately jump to the computer you're
EV bashing I'm like no it's not a sport
it's not it's just you know I'm just
looking at the critical aspects of
owning running driving a vehicle that's
what I do that's my profession so you
know so I don't know they got chill guys
chill and this is this is and this
brings me to my third point is that this
attitude is really not going to help
it's not going to help your cause that's
for sure and when you have on the other
side people are absolutely detached and
there's so much information out there in
the media which is probably setting up
the wrong perceptions about EVS in terms
of they all explode and burn and uh the
range is crap and you can't charge and
there's lots of discussions there's lots
of questions that need to be asked lots
of people have genuine concerns you know
it's my job as a journalist to address
those concerns you know nine talk to
people then I have to remain open-minded
and listen to all of these concerns and
I think that it would really help people
that are pro EV and proponents of EV to
also be a little bit open-minded and be
a bit more sensitive and to listen to
these concerns and issues which are
genuine and try to understand where
people are coming from and go all right
okay I yeah okay not just always answer
well that works for me well I can do it
well I've read the manual well I've done
5 000 miles of mine and I was fine it's
like okay okay it was fine for you but
and this is where it's different for me
it's because I'm for me as from my
career what I've done is I always try to
I always try to like put you know wear
the other person's shoes I always try to
empathize and understand what's your
scenario what's your situation what
would work for you you know what
particular issues that you have let me
see if I can address them you know it's
not good to just say Well it worked for
me so it should work for you and if it
doesn't then the problem is with you and
it's like well it doesn't really work
like that you know a car is supposed to
be something that's convenient that must
be pride and joys but they're also
supposed to be convenient and useful and
something that is good for us in our
daily lives so
the discussion I I think the third thing
to remember here is that we need to
raise the level of this discussion and
we need to raise it from Just children
shouting in the playground you know I
think that we need to start to become
more mature and more pragmatic about it
and to look at the day-to-day realities
of people uh how they live and how they
use these cars and how they need to use
these cars and what would uh what would
we need to do in order to help people
adopt the cause if the car is right for
them and in some cases we have to accept
EV people have to accept that not Evie
is not especially not in its current
state in its current form and with the
current infrastructure it's not
necessarily right for everybody you just
have to accept it you can't just Ram
force it down everybody's throat you
gotta say okay well the new particular
set of circumstances it's not quite
ready for you yet or you're not quite
ready for it one way or the other but in
many other cases you could look at the
situation you go actually well you know
what it can work for you it could be all
right but this is what you need to do or
maybe try this if it doesn't fine you
know I'm gonna go for petrol go for
diesel the choices are there for me one
of the great things about the middle
industry right now is it this choice and
choice is a good thing you know it's
good to have choice about whether you
want to have a petrol car because you
like to hear the engine noise whether
you need a diesel car because you have a
long distance cover that you do
regularly as part of your work or
whatever or that you can get an electric
car because you live in town you just go
to the shops and actually that works out
just fine for you because you can charge
at home you know a lot of these
questions need to be openly discussed
and we need to bring a level of maturity
and raise the level of this conversation
rather than just people shouting each
other and just calling each other morons
anyway
I'm sure that I'm going to be called
many more times both in the
comments in this video and elsewhere but
I'm almost with some trepidation I am
saying I look forward to hearing your
comments on this video and I'll chat
with you guys again soon meanwhile just
to update you 74 charge now 160 mile
range it's still saying 40 minutes to
full charge so this is what happens with
EVS is that
um you know they get to about that 80
are coming up to the 80 and they slow
down so it's definitely slowed down a
little bit now but anyway
that's the uh this is the Toyota B z4x I
keep forgetting the name of this car
review on this coming review on the byd
is now live and I'll catch you all again
soon in the next video
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