Krystal And Saagar DEBATE Lab Grown Meat BAN

Breaking Points
7 May 202414:13

Summary

TLDRThe video script discusses the recent ban on lab-grown meat in Florida, signed into law by Governor Ron DeSantis. The ban is aimed at protecting traditional agriculture and cattle ranchers, but has faced criticism from the technology community, including venture capitalists who have relocated to Florida. Critics argue that the ban goes against regulatory approvals and is seen as anti-science and anti-tech. The debate also touches on the potential benefits of lab-grown meat, such as reduced environmental impact and the possibility of healthier, more sustainable food sources. However, concerns are raised about the potential for monopolization of the food system by tech giants and the lack of transparency in the synthetic food production process. The discussion highlights the need for further study and regulation to ensure the safety and ethical considerations of lab-grown meat.

Takeaways

  • 🚫 Florida has banned lab-grown meat, a move that has sparked controversy and debate.
  • 🤔 The ban is seen by some as a protectionist measure to safeguard traditional cattle ranchers and the integrity of American agriculture.
  • 💸 Critics argue that the ban goes against regulatory approvals and is influenced by venture capital interests, including those who have invested heavily in lab-grown meat technology.
  • 📈 Proponents of the ban, like John D. Rockefeller, view lab-grown meat as inferior and harmful, aligning with a stance that supports traditional farming and ranching practices.
  • 🌱 The discussion touches on the potential benefits of lab-grown meat, such as reduced environmental impact and the possibility of more sustainable food production.
  • 🧪 Concerns are raised about the long-term health implications and the ethical considerations of synthetic food production.
  • 🌎 The ban is also framed within a broader cultural and political debate, with references to global elites and the World Economic Forum's stance on alternative proteins.
  • 🔬 There is a call for further scientific study to ensure the safety and health benefits of lab-grown meat before widespread adoption.
  • 💭 The principle of the Lindy effect is mentioned, suggesting that technologies and practices that have been around longer are more trustworthy.
  • 🍖 The script highlights the current issues with industrial factory farming, including animal welfare, antibiotic resistance, and climate change.
  • 🚨 There is skepticism about the potential monopolization of the food system by tech giants and venture capitalists, which could lead to a lack of consumer choice and control.

Q & A

  • What is the current stance on lab grown meat in Florida?

    -Florida has banned lab grown meat. Governor Ron DeSantis signed a bill into law that prohibits any cultivated meat grown from animal stem cells.

  • Why is there a ban on lab grown meat in Florida?

    -The ban is intended to protect cattle ranchers and the integrity of American agriculture. Critics argue it goes against regulatory approvals and is seen by some as anti-science and anti-tech.

  • What is the distinction between lab grown meat and plant-based meat like Impossible Meat?

    -The ban on lab grown meat does not extend to plant-based alternatives like Impossible Meat, which are made from plant ingredients and do not involve animal stem cells.

  • What is the Lindy principle mentioned in the script?

    -The Lindy principle, attributed to Nasim Taleb, suggests that the longer something has been around, the better it is. It is invoked here to argue against lab grown meat, implying that traditional methods of food production are preferred.

  • Why is there concern over the potential control of the food system by tech companies?

    -There is a worry that tech companies investing in lab grown meat could consolidate control over food production, potentially leading to a lack of diversity and increased dependence on these companies.

  • What is the criticism of factory farming mentioned in the script?

    -Factory farming is criticized for its inhumane treatment of animals, overuse of antibiotics leading to antibiotic resistance, and its significant negative impact on the environment and climate.

  • What is the potential benefit of lab grown meat?

    -Lab grown meat has the potential to reduce the environmental impact of meat production, decrease the reliance on factory farming, and possibly offer a more sustainable and ethical alternative to traditional meat.

  • Why is there a backlash against the ban on lab grown meat among the technology community in Florida?

    -The technology community, including venture capitalists who have moved to Florida, is upset with the ban as they view it as anti-science and anti-tech, potentially hindering innovation in the food industry.

  • What is the role of subsidies in the current food system?

    -Subsidies play a significant role in the current food system, often benefiting large factory farming operations. There is a suggestion that these subsidies could be redirected towards promoting whole foods and sustainable farming practices.

  • What is the concern about the potential health implications of lab grown meat?

    -While lab grown meat has the genetic indications of being similar to traditional meat, there are concerns about whether it can fully replicate the nutritional benefits of naturally raised animals, and the long-term health implications are unknown.

  • How does the ban on lab grown meat relate to the broader cultural and political discussions?

    -The ban is tied to a culture war narrative, where it is positioned as a defense against perceived elite interests and a symbol of resistance to globalist agendas, despite the potential benefits of lab grown meat in terms of sustainability and animal welfare.

Outlines

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🚫 Florida Bans Lab-Grown Meat: The Controversy Explained

The first paragraph discusses the recent ban on lab-grown meat in Florida, signed into law by Governor Ron DeSantis. The law is aimed at protecting traditional agriculture and cattle ranchers, and is not applicable to plant-based alternatives like Impossible Meat. Critics argue that the ban contradicts federal regulatory approvals and is seen as anti-science and anti-tech by the technology community, including venture capitalists residing in Florida. The speaker also mentions an investment by Jeff Bezos in a lab-grown meat company and expresses concerns about the potential monopolization of the food industry by tech giants.

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💡 Lab-Grown Meat: A Potential Solution to Factory Farming Issues?

The second paragraph delves into the potential benefits of lab-grown meat as an alternative to the current industrial factory farming system, which is criticized for its animal welfare issues, overuse of antibiotics, and negative environmental impact. The speaker acknowledges the concerns about lab-grown meat but suggests that the technology could offer a more sustainable and healthier food source. They also argue against the preemptive ban, stating that it seems more like a culture war move rather than a genuine concern for health or the environment.

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🤔 The Skepticism Around Lab-Grown Meat and Its Future

The third paragraph expresses skepticism about lab-grown meat through the lens of the Lindy principle, which suggests that older, established methods are more reliable. The speaker is uncomfortable with the idea of synthetic food production and questions the potential control that tech companies could have over the food supply. They also discuss the current state of the food system, with a focus on the prevalence of factory farming, and argue for a more comprehensive approach to improving the food system, such as addressing subsidies for unhealthy food products.

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Keywords

💡Lab grown meat

Lab grown meat, also known as cultured meat, is produced by in vitro cultivation of animal cells. It is a form of meat that does not require the raising and slaughtering of animals. In the video, it is discussed as a controversial topic due to its potential impact on traditional agriculture and the concerns about its health implications and ethical considerations.

💡Governor Ron DeSantis

Governor Ron DeSantis is the current governor of Florida, mentioned in the video as having signed a bill banning lab grown meat in the state. His decision is framed within the context of protecting traditional cattle ranchers and American agriculture, which is a significant part of the state's economy.

💡Cultivated meat

Cultivated meat is synonymous with lab grown meat and refers to the process of growing meat from animal stem cells in a controlled environment. The video discusses the ban on such meat in Florida and the various opinions surrounding its production and consumption.

💡Plant-based meat

Plant-based meat alternatives, such as those produced by Impossible Foods, are made from ingredients like soy and peas to mimic the taste and texture of meat. These are not affected by the Florida ban on lab grown meat. In the video, it is contrasted with lab grown meat to highlight the difference in production methods and the state's stance on each.

💡Factory farming

Factory farming refers to the industrialized farming of animals in confined spaces, which is criticized in the video for its ethical, environmental, and health implications. It is presented as a major issue within the current food system that some argue lab grown meat could help address.

💡Antibiotic resistance

Antibiotic resistance is a significant global health concern where bacteria evolve to resist the effects of antibiotics, making infections harder to treat. The video mentions it in the context of factory farming, where the overuse of antibiotics in livestock can contribute to the development of resistant strains.

💡Climate impact

The climate impact of meat production is a critical issue discussed in the video, with factory farming being a significant contributor to greenhouse gas emissions. Lab grown meat is presented as a potential solution to reduce the environmental footprint of meat production.

💡Lindy principle

The Lindy principle, as mentioned in the video, suggests that the future life expectancy of a technology is proportional to its current age. It is used to argue against lab grown meat, suggesting that older, traditional methods of food production are more reliable and have stood the test of time.

💡Jeff Bezos

Jeff Bezos, the founder of Amazon, is noted in the video for his investment in a lab grown meat company. His involvement is part of a broader discussion on the influence of technology investors and venture capital in the future of food production.

💡Food system consolidation

Food system consolidation refers to the increasing control of the food supply by a small number of large corporations. The video discusses concerns that lab grown meat could contribute to this by creating a dependency on a few companies for meat production.

💡Culture war

A culture war, as mentioned in the video, is a conflict over the direction of societal progress, often involving social and political values. The ban on lab grown meat in Florida is framed as part of a culture war, where traditional values and industries are pitted against new technologies and their proponents.

Highlights

Florida Governor Ron DeSantis has banned lab grown meat in the state, citing concerns from the cattle ranching industry and the integrity of American agriculture.

The ban does not apply to plant-based meat alternatives like Impossible Meat.

Critics argue the ban goes against regulatory approvals for lab grown meat and is anti-science and anti-tech.

Jeff Bezos has invested $60 million in a lab grown meat company.

Senator John Fiedler supports the ban, calling lab grown meat 'slop' and aligning with ranchers and farmers.

The guest argues lab grown meat is dystopian and against the Lindy principle of favoring older, established methods.

Factory farming and its environmental impact, use of antibiotics, and animal welfare concerns are major problems today.

The ban is driven more by financial interests in factory farming and culture war politics than genuine health concerns.

Lab grown meat has the potential to greatly benefit the environment, animal welfare, and human health.

The technology is still in early development and should be studied further rather than outright banned.

Banning lab grown meat is more about culture war signaling and protecting factory farming interests than health.

Regenerative farming and buying local, sustainably raised meat can help mitigate the climate impact of meat production.

The guest expresses skepticism that lab grown meat can fully replicate the nutritional benefits of naturally raised animals.

There are concerns lab grown meat could further consolidate control of the food system in the hands of a few tech companies.

Instead of banning lab grown meat, the focus should be on reforming subsidies for unhealthy, processed foods.

The guest believes lab grown meat represents dangerous hubris and a lack of respect for the natural process of raising animals for food.

Transcripts

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at the same time the segment everybody's

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been waiting for lab grown meat really

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built this puppy up didn't we let's put

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it up there on the screen Florida Ronda

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Sanz has banned lab grown meat as other

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states we a ban quote what's their beef

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with cultured meat good headline there

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from USA Today Governor Ron Santa signed

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into law this bill which gr bans any

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quote cultivated meat because it is

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grown from animal stem cells he says

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take your fake lab grown meat elsewhere

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we're not doing that in the State of

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Florida to be clear the ban does not

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include things like impossible meat

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which is made from plant-based

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ingredients and is meant to protect

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cattle ranchers and the Integrity of

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American agriculture now critics have uh

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come after Governor DeSantis saying that

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uh it goes against regulatory approvals

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that came in through the US just a year

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ago there's actually been a huge

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backlash Crystal it you'll find funny to

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know amongst the technology Community

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there's a lot of venture capital who

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move to Florida who are very pissed off

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they are calling this anti-science and

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anti-tech however there have been I

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think I saw like Bezos invested a m

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that's right Bezos just invested a lot

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of money this is the point against me I

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shouldn't have brought that up uh Jeff

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Bezos invest about $60 million in a lab

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grown Meat Company uh he has picked up

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though some interesting fellow Travelers

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in the movement let's put this up there

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on the screen John fedman has supported

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Ronda sanz's lab grown meat band saying

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quote the fake meat is slop and he says

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it pains me deeply to agree with crft

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and burn Ron but I co-sign this as a

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member picture of Health both fetman and

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d s okay now that doesn't necess mean

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anything says as a member of Senate

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agricultural Democrats and as some dude

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who would never serve that slop to my

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kids I stand with American ranchers and

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Farmers so uh this is picked I guess

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it's an interesting discussion which we

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wanted to have here about lab grown meet

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so I will at least give uh my

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perspective and my advocacy for the bill

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now I think it is a fair just a preempt

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any criticism like why wouldn't you say

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this about Factory meat I agree with you

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I think Factory meat is poison I was

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telling you uh us meat is actually

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banned in 160 countries because of a lot

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of the additives that we put in there

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many of the ways that we have our in our

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meat Supply Tyson's foods and all this

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is repulsive and disgusting and if you

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have the ability I would genuinely urge

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you to not eat it and to try and either

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Buy Local meat which is uh pasture

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raised organic grass-fed Etc from people

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who actually both treat animals well

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Harvest them sustainably and responsibly

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I understand it's more expensive not

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everybody can afford it that's part of

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the the curse though has been uh Factory

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and you know vertically integrated meat

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production here in the United States now

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the reason I'm against lab grown meat

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and all of this is I believe very

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strongly in a principle called the Lindy

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principle this was uh you know by Nasim

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TB and the idea is basically like the

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longer it's been around the better it is

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and there is just something deeply

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dystopian and terrible to me about the

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ideas of like uh the future technology

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companies like these Tech Guys Jeff

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Bezos and others not just owning land

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where food production actually happens

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but synthesizing meat and then possibly

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I mean who knows what you're even going

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to put into it I mean just imagine you

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know our current vegetables already are

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not even real vegetables they're like

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genetically modified and they have all

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this crap in them to make them last

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longer in the freezer car on the way

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from Chicago or whatever to over here

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and it's like more that we do that I

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understand is better for feeding 8

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billion people at scale so I'm not going

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to criticize it I guess in that way but

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I don't think it is healthy and moving

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more in that industrialized food uh way

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and it's also stripping away you know uh

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uh the tradition and I think the

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benefactor of cattle ranching and trying

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to move to a pre-1960s food market which

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what I would like to see I'm supportive

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of the measure anyway with all that out

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said yes so there first let's talk a

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little bit of background the two things

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that are really driving this move to ban

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lab grown meat which by the way what

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this is is I mean not that I really

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understand the process but they take

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some stem cells yes exactly from an

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animal animal's not harmed and they're

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able to use amino acids to basically

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like grow actual meat out of these stem

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cells which is extraordinary right and

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has potential you can imagine the

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potential massive benefits um because

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the meat that we consume as sagur is

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accurately pointing out is actually

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really terrible and Industrial factory

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farming is also really horrifying and is

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bad obviously for the animals but it's

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also bad for people you have this

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massive use of antibiotics which has led

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to you know stra antibiotic resistant

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strains of infections um and that being

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a problem you have even like right now

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there's a bird flu situation that comes

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directly out of the result of the way

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that these factory farms operate and the

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close uh integration with humans and

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these factory farms which are disgusting

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d Ian places these animals are tortured

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from birth until the time that they are

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slaughtered it's horrifying horrifying

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situation and that's before you even get

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into the climate impact okay so that's

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number one number two as I was beginning

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to say the reason this is happening now

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is not because Ronda santis is deeply

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concerned about the quality of the food

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that our children consume it's because

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number one there's a lot of money in the

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factory farming industry that is

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concerned about this and number two

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Republicans made it into this like

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culture War thing where it's like and

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even Dan santis says in his bill like

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the world economic Forum Elites want us

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to eat fake meat and bugs and who cares

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about climate change Etc so it's this

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culture War issue that has the benefit

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of also overlapping with a lot of big

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money interests fedman I think picking

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it up likely given his the demonstrated

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level of corruption and how influenced

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he is by uh money that is given or

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withheld from his campaign I think it's

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very reasonable to assume that may be a

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factor for him as well but um yeah it's

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not like the rest of our food system is

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so pristine that it makes any sense to

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single out this one potential Innovation

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and then the other thing to say is this

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is like this is a long way from coming

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to fruition yeah that's definitely true

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right it's it's still very early in the

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development so you know I think we

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talked the other day I think it was me

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and Emily you were out about Lunchables

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like to me things like that are probably

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much bigger problem than lab grown meat

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which has all of the genetic indications

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of being just basically like meat so to

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have a hard ban on this it's more

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culture War signaling than it is actual

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concern for anybody's health because if

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you're concerned for anybody's Health

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you have a lot more critiques of our

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food system than you have sure but I

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mean take where you can get right I mean

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to me lab grown meat is the epitome of

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the Jurassic Park mean uh your

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scientists were so preoccupied whether

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or not they could they didn't stop to

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think if they should I mean the idea

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look as we have seen with a lot of the

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regenerative farming movement and others

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that are out there you can actually

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minimize a lot of the climate impact you

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can actually raise animals sustainably

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you can have much healthier meat and you

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can even buy directly from the source

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one of the amazing things about the

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internet is you can buy meat online

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today and you can get a ship to your

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house from UPS you're going to pay maybe

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15% more than you would buy at the

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grocery store I I totally understand a

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huge portion of the public cannot afford

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that so I am not saying that it is

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anywhere where it needs to be but

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imagine if those people got the same

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Federal subsidies that Tyson's foods and

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Purdue farm and all these other people

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are getting I mean that's a totally

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different type of food system which we

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could get to Pro technology in the way

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that people could still get access to or

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even better buy something locally which

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is properly raised so I would I would

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just say this lab grown direction is one

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where look there's something both in

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terms of the playing God but second I

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just really believe and we're going to

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talk we have a guest later who we're

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going to be posting later on uh about

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OIC and there is just there is this idea

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of hubris where we seem to believe that

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we can just synthesize amino acids and

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that there isn't something intangible

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over hundreds of millions or tens of

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millions of years of evolution of an

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animal being grown from birth to

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wherever it is and then us eating that

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animal protein that can just be

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synthesized through a tube into uh into

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something that we're going to eat and is

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going to give us all the nutrients that

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we could ever possibly want there's no

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you know history of Medical Science that

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shows you that like Western medicine

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itself right now if you were to uh ask

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me how to how to fix a bone they know

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how to do that but they don't know what

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makes us tick that's why nobody has ever

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solved depression or you know why you

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can't just take vitamins instead of

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eating vegetables if it was that easy

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then it would already have been done so

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for me it doesn't pass the Lindy test at

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all and I think we should stay the hell

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away from I mean your take is just

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basically like I assume all technology

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is bad not all but a lot I mean and it's

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very it's very dissonant with

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other uh technological like Embrace of

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you know the Apple Vision Pro and other

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things that you're enhancing human life

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and also it's it's very dissonant also

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with your um you know your view that we

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don't really need to worry about climate

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change because science is going to solve

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it well this is one area I mean what

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it's like 25% of carbon emissions come

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from food deliver it's very high

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so okay this is part of science solving

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the climate change crisis and making it

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so that we don't have to make some of

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the more dire trade-offs that some of us

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fear that ultimately we'll have to make

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so listen study it make sure it's safe

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but to just have no evidence that it's a

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problem and be like I'm going to band it

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because I want to own the world economic

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Forum Elites is just silly it's just

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silly and like I said it's so different

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than the way the entire rest of the food

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system system is viewed it's just this

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sort of like based on nothing

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reactionary view that I believe based on

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nothing this is going to be a problem

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when you know it's nice that you can get

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like your organic whatever small ranch

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raised beef Etc

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99% that's the stat I agree of animals

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consumed for food production are factory

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farms and it's horrible it's horrible

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for the animals it's horrible for human

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beings but I don't see Ronda santis or

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John fedman upset about that of course

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not because that's where they're getting

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the money from that is being used to

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drive this position and then also this

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just like culture War virtue signal I

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don't disagree I think there's also I

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mean look I understand the whole world

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economic Forum thing but really what

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they are saying let's say the best faith

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version of it is basically in a lab

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grown system what does it mean it means

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you have to go to a company in order to

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buy your meat you can never actually be

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fully sustainable or harvest something

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if you wanted to yourself what why okay

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because you people can still have their

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own cow they can still buy their meat I

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mean what if they outlaw that it's you

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take a stand that but instead of saying

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hey let's let's study it and see and

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actually maybe this is healthier for

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people maybe this reduces the cost of

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meat so that people can have more Whole

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Foods versus the like you know

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Lunchables crap that they're eating now

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rather than that you're just like let's

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ban it before we even know uh I

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understand what you're saying and I'm

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not disagreeing that it is a culture

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based argument I'm only telling you

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where it comes from the skepticism again

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I for me it doesn't pass the Lindy test

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literally at all the idea that you can

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just grow something in a lab and that's

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going to replace it if that again if it

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were true then vitamins would have

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replaced all of vegetables but all

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medical science would tell you that a

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vitamin is not a direct you know uh is

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not a direct substitute now could it get

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there maybe but they've been trying you

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know for what 40 50 years so on in this

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case maybe they will get there but it

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does seem like just look it makes me

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uncomfortable the idea that these people

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are trying to uh consolidate the food

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system such that the food system is

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already consolidated yeah but we can we

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have some but we have some level of self

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exit right now I'm saying what if we get

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to the point where you have a total

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control of the food system there which I

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do think that there lot this is actually

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competitor to the Consolidated food

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system that's why there's a reaction

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against it from the political class

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because of these monopolists who want to

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be able to continue their factory

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farming with no alternative and have

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Consolidated the marketplace that's

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exactly the problem they don't want a

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competitor well but they don't the

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competitors who are coming in are Jeff

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Bezos and the Facebook the VC guys who I

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see tweeting about this on Instagram or

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on TW sorry on Twitter who are you know

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multi-billionaires or have funds

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themselves it's like Facebook taking

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over the Monopoly of newspapers like did

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we win I mean like that's competition

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not necessarily good competition like is

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the new boss really as good as the old

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boss or is it just basically the exact

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same type of boss that we have here now

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again is disantis corrupt uh do they

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really care about the food system no

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because they're from the top sugar

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producing state in the whole country

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like I I'm with you like I'm not saying

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that it's not a good thing if we could

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ban sugar we probably better off doing

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that than we would with lab grown meat

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or any of this other stuff we could go

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after the agricultural subsidies and

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Purdue and Tyson and all these other

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companies and you know like Lunchables

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which is I don't even know that doesn't

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even qualify in my head as meat or hot

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dogs or so many of these other things

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with all these disgusting additives and

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things like that hot dogs are a great

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are a great Point actually yeah no

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people are fine with hot dogs and you're

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worried about this

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okay look

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I of hot dogs and I don't eat any hot

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dogs period I'm not putting that poison

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into my body yeah well listen if you

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actually care about the food system I

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you would do a lot more good rather than

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Banning something that hasn't even

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really been developed yet you do a lot

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more good just like killing the corn

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subsidies and the sugar subsidies and um

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putting those subsidies instead towards

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Whole Foods whole fruits vegetables meat

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Etc um but for some reason political

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class man interest I think that's a fair

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point we were just trying to zoom out a

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