Krystal And Saagar DEBATE Lab Grown Meat BAN

Summary

The video script discusses the recent ban on lab-grown meat in Florida, signed into law by Governor Ron DeSantis. The ban is aimed at protecting traditional agriculture and cattle ranchers, but has faced criticism from the technology community, including venture capitalists who have relocated to Florida. Critics argue that the ban goes against regulatory approvals and is seen as anti-science and anti-tech. The debate also touches on the potential benefits of lab-grown meat, such as reduced environmental impact and the possibility of healthier, more sustainable food sources. However, concerns are raised about the potential for monopolization of the food system by tech giants and the lack of transparency in the synthetic food production process. The discussion highlights the need for further study and regulation to ensure the safety and ethical considerations of lab-grown meat.

Takeaways

• 🚫 Florida has banned lab-grown meat, a move that has sparked controversy and debate.
• 🤔 The ban is seen by some as a protectionist measure to safeguard traditional cattle ranchers and the integrity of American agriculture.
• 💸 Critics argue that the ban goes against regulatory approvals and is influenced by venture capital interests, including those who have invested heavily in lab-grown meat technology.
• 📈 Proponents of the ban, like John D. Rockefeller, view lab-grown meat as inferior and harmful, aligning with a stance that supports traditional farming and ranching practices.
• 🌱 The discussion touches on the potential benefits of lab-grown meat, such as reduced environmental impact and the possibility of more sustainable food production.
• 🧪 Concerns are raised about the long-term health implications and the ethical considerations of synthetic food production.
• 🌎 The ban is also framed within a broader cultural and political debate, with references to global elites and the World Economic Forum's stance on alternative proteins.
• 🔬 There is a call for further scientific study to ensure the safety and health benefits of lab-grown meat before widespread adoption.
• 💭 The principle of the Lindy effect is mentioned, suggesting that technologies and practices that have been around longer are more trustworthy.
• 🍖 The script highlights the current issues with industrial factory farming, including animal welfare, antibiotic resistance, and climate change.
• 🚨 There is skepticism about the potential monopolization of the food system by tech giants and venture capitalists, which could lead to a lack of consumer choice and control.

Q & A

What is the current stance on lab grown meat in Florida?

Florida has banned lab grown meat. Governor Ron DeSantis signed a bill into law that prohibits any cultivated meat grown from animal stem cells.

Why is there a ban on lab grown meat in Florida?

The ban is intended to protect cattle ranchers and the integrity of American agriculture. Critics argue it goes against regulatory approvals and is seen by some as anti-science and anti-tech.

What is the distinction between lab grown meat and plant-based meat like Impossible Meat?

The ban on lab grown meat does not extend to plant-based alternatives like Impossible Meat, which are made from plant ingredients and do not involve animal stem cells.

What is the Lindy principle mentioned in the script?

The Lindy principle, attributed to Nasim Taleb, suggests that the longer something has been around, the better it is. It is invoked here to argue against lab grown meat, implying that traditional methods of food production are preferred.

Why is there concern over the potential control of the food system by tech companies?

There is a worry that tech companies investing in lab grown meat could consolidate control over food production, potentially leading to a lack of diversity and increased dependence on these companies.

What is the criticism of factory farming mentioned in the script?

Factory farming is criticized for its inhumane treatment of animals, overuse of antibiotics leading to antibiotic resistance, and its significant negative impact on the environment and climate.

What is the potential benefit of lab grown meat?

Lab grown meat has the potential to reduce the environmental impact of meat production, decrease the reliance on factory farming, and possibly offer a more sustainable and ethical alternative to traditional meat.

Why is there a backlash against the ban on lab grown meat among the technology community in Florida?

The technology community, including venture capitalists who have moved to Florida, is upset with the ban as they view it as anti-science and anti-tech, potentially hindering innovation in the food industry.

What is the role of subsidies in the current food system?

Subsidies play a significant role in the current food system, often benefiting large factory farming operations. There is a suggestion that these subsidies could be redirected towards promoting whole foods and sustainable farming practices.

What is the concern about the potential health implications of lab grown meat?

While lab grown meat has the genetic indications of being similar to traditional meat, there are concerns about whether it can fully replicate the nutritional benefits of naturally raised animals, and the long-term health implications are unknown.

How does the ban on lab grown meat relate to the broader cultural and political discussions?

The ban is tied to a culture war narrative, where it is positioned as a defense against perceived elite interests and a symbol of resistance to globalist agendas, despite the potential benefits of lab grown meat in terms of sustainability and animal welfare.

Outlines

00:00

🚫 Florida Bans Lab-Grown Meat: The Controversy Explained

The first paragraph discusses the recent ban on lab-grown meat in Florida, signed into law by Governor Ron DeSantis. The law is aimed at protecting traditional agriculture and cattle ranchers, and is not applicable to plant-based alternatives like Impossible Meat. Critics argue that the ban contradicts federal regulatory approvals and is seen as anti-science and anti-tech by the technology community, including venture capitalists residing in Florida. The speaker also mentions an investment by Jeff Bezos in a lab-grown meat company and expresses concerns about the potential monopolization of the food industry by tech giants.

05:02

💡 Lab-Grown Meat: A Potential Solution to Factory Farming Issues?

The second paragraph delves into the potential benefits of lab-grown meat as an alternative to the current industrial factory farming system, which is criticized for its animal welfare issues, overuse of antibiotics, and negative environmental impact. The speaker acknowledges the concerns about lab-grown meat but suggests that the technology could offer a more sustainable and healthier food source. They also argue against the preemptive ban, stating that it seems more like a culture war move rather than a genuine concern for health or the environment.

10:03

🤔 The Skepticism Around Lab-Grown Meat and Its Future

The third paragraph expresses skepticism about lab-grown meat through the lens of the Lindy principle, which suggests that older, established methods are more reliable. The speaker is uncomfortable with the idea of synthetic food production and questions the potential control that tech companies could have over the food supply. They also discuss the current state of the food system, with a focus on the prevalence of factory farming, and argue for a more comprehensive approach to improving the food system, such as addressing subsidies for unhealthy food products.

Keywords

💡Lab grown meat

Lab grown meat, also known as cultured meat, is produced by in vitro cultivation of animal cells. It is a form of meat that does not require the raising and slaughtering of animals. In the video, it is discussed as a controversial topic due to its potential impact on traditional agriculture and the concerns about its health implications and ethical considerations.

💡Governor Ron DeSantis

Governor Ron DeSantis is the current governor of Florida, mentioned in the video as having signed a bill banning lab grown meat in the state. His decision is framed within the context of protecting traditional cattle ranchers and American agriculture, which is a significant part of the state's economy.

💡Cultivated meat

Cultivated meat is synonymous with lab grown meat and refers to the process of growing meat from animal stem cells in a controlled environment. The video discusses the ban on such meat in Florida and the various opinions surrounding its production and consumption.

💡Plant-based meat

Plant-based meat alternatives, such as those produced by Impossible Foods, are made from ingredients like soy and peas to mimic the taste and texture of meat. These are not affected by the Florida ban on lab grown meat. In the video, it is contrasted with lab grown meat to highlight the difference in production methods and the state's stance on each.

💡Factory farming

Factory farming refers to the industrialized farming of animals in confined spaces, which is criticized in the video for its ethical, environmental, and health implications. It is presented as a major issue within the current food system that some argue lab grown meat could help address.

💡Antibiotic resistance

Antibiotic resistance is a significant global health concern where bacteria evolve to resist the effects of antibiotics, making infections harder to treat. The video mentions it in the context of factory farming, where the overuse of antibiotics in livestock can contribute to the development of resistant strains.

💡Climate impact

The climate impact of meat production is a critical issue discussed in the video, with factory farming being a significant contributor to greenhouse gas emissions. Lab grown meat is presented as a potential solution to reduce the environmental footprint of meat production.

💡Lindy principle

The Lindy principle, as mentioned in the video, suggests that the future life expectancy of a technology is proportional to its current age. It is used to argue against lab grown meat, suggesting that older, traditional methods of food production are more reliable and have stood the test of time.

💡Jeff Bezos

Jeff Bezos, the founder of Amazon, is noted in the video for his investment in a lab grown meat company. His involvement is part of a broader discussion on the influence of technology investors and venture capital in the future of food production.

💡Food system consolidation

Food system consolidation refers to the increasing control of the food supply by a small number of large corporations. The video discusses concerns that lab grown meat could contribute to this by creating a dependency on a few companies for meat production.

💡Culture war

A culture war, as mentioned in the video, is a conflict over the direction of societal progress, often involving social and political values. The ban on lab grown meat in Florida is framed as part of a culture war, where traditional values and industries are pitted against new technologies and their proponents.

Highlights

Florida Governor Ron DeSantis has banned lab grown meat in the state, citing concerns from the cattle ranching industry and the integrity of American agriculture.

The ban does not apply to plant-based meat alternatives like Impossible Meat.

Critics argue the ban goes against regulatory approvals for lab grown meat and is anti-science and anti-tech.

Jeff Bezos has invested $60 million in a lab grown meat company.

Senator John Fiedler supports the ban, calling lab grown meat 'slop' and aligning with ranchers and farmers.

The guest argues lab grown meat is dystopian and against the Lindy principle of favoring older, established methods.

Factory farming and its environmental impact, use of antibiotics, and animal welfare concerns are major problems today.

The ban is driven more by financial interests in factory farming and culture war politics than genuine health concerns.

Lab grown meat has the potential to greatly benefit the environment, animal welfare, and human health.

The technology is still in early development and should be studied further rather than outright banned.

Banning lab grown meat is more about culture war signaling and protecting factory farming interests than health.

Regenerative farming and buying local, sustainably raised meat can help mitigate the climate impact of meat production.

The guest expresses skepticism that lab grown meat can fully replicate the nutritional benefits of naturally raised animals.

There are concerns lab grown meat could further consolidate control of the food system in the hands of a few tech companies.

Instead of banning lab grown meat, the focus should be on reforming subsidies for unhealthy, processed foods.

The guest believes lab grown meat represents dangerous hubris and a lack of respect for the natural process of raising animals for food.

Transcripts

at the same time the segment everybody's

been waiting for lab grown meat really

built this puppy up didn't we let's put

it up there on the screen Florida Ronda

Sanz has banned lab grown meat as other

states we a ban quote what's their beef

with cultured meat good headline there

from USA Today Governor Ron Santa signed

into law this bill which gr bans any

quote cultivated meat because it is

grown from animal stem cells he says

take your fake lab grown meat elsewhere

we're not doing that in the State of

Florida to be clear the ban does not

include things like impossible meat

which is made from plant-based

ingredients and is meant to protect

cattle ranchers and the Integrity of

American agriculture now critics have uh

come after Governor DeSantis saying that

uh it goes against regulatory approvals

that came in through the US just a year

ago there's actually been a huge

backlash Crystal it you'll find funny to

know amongst the technology Community

there's a lot of venture capital who

move to Florida who are very pissed off

they are calling this anti-science and

anti-tech however there have been I

think I saw like Bezos invested a m

that's right Bezos just invested a lot

of money this is the point against me I

shouldn't have brought that up uh Jeff

Bezos invest about $60 million in a lab

grown Meat Company uh he has picked up

though some interesting fellow Travelers

in the movement let's put this up there

on the screen John fedman has supported

Ronda sanz's lab grown meat band saying

quote the fake meat is slop and he says

it pains me deeply to agree with crft

and burn Ron but I co-sign this as a

member picture of Health both fetman and

d s okay now that doesn't necess mean

anything says as a member of Senate

agricultural Democrats and as some dude

who would never serve that slop to my

kids I stand with American ranchers and

Farmers so uh this is picked I guess

it's an interesting discussion which we

wanted to have here about lab grown meet

so I will at least give uh my

perspective and my advocacy for the bill

now I think it is a fair just a preempt

any criticism like why wouldn't you say

this about Factory meat I agree with you

I think Factory meat is poison I was

telling you uh us meat is actually

banned in 160 countries because of a lot

of the additives that we put in there

many of the ways that we have our in our

meat Supply Tyson's foods and all this

is repulsive and disgusting and if you

have the ability I would genuinely urge

you to not eat it and to try and either

Buy Local meat which is uh pasture

raised organic grass-fed Etc from people

who actually both treat animals well

Harvest them sustainably and responsibly

I understand it's more expensive not

everybody can afford it that's part of

the the curse though has been uh Factory

and you know vertically integrated meat

production here in the United States now

the reason I'm against lab grown meat

and all of this is I believe very

strongly in a principle called the Lindy

principle this was uh you know by Nasim

TB and the idea is basically like the

longer it's been around the better it is

and there is just something deeply

dystopian and terrible to me about the

ideas of like uh the future technology

companies like these Tech Guys Jeff

Bezos and others not just owning land

where food production actually happens

but synthesizing meat and then possibly

I mean who knows what you're even going

to put into it I mean just imagine you

know our current vegetables already are

not even real vegetables they're like

genetically modified and they have all

this crap in them to make them last

longer in the freezer car on the way

from Chicago or whatever to over here

and it's like more that we do that I

understand is better for feeding 8

billion people at scale so I'm not going

to criticize it I guess in that way but

I don't think it is healthy and moving

more in that industrialized food uh way

and it's also stripping away you know uh

uh the tradition and I think the

benefactor of cattle ranching and trying

to move to a pre-1960s food market which

what I would like to see I'm supportive

of the measure anyway with all that out

said yes so there first let's talk a

little bit of background the two things

that are really driving this move to ban

lab grown meat which by the way what

this is is I mean not that I really

understand the process but they take

some stem cells yes exactly from an

animal animal's not harmed and they're

able to use amino acids to basically

like grow actual meat out of these stem

cells which is extraordinary right and

has potential you can imagine the

potential massive benefits um because

the meat that we consume as sagur is

accurately pointing out is actually

really terrible and Industrial factory

farming is also really horrifying and is

bad obviously for the animals but it's

also bad for people you have this

massive use of antibiotics which has led

to you know stra antibiotic resistant

strains of infections um and that being

a problem you have even like right now

there's a bird flu situation that comes

directly out of the result of the way

that these factory farms operate and the

close uh integration with humans and

these factory farms which are disgusting

d Ian places these animals are tortured

from birth until the time that they are

slaughtered it's horrifying horrifying

situation and that's before you even get

into the climate impact okay so that's

number one number two as I was beginning

to say the reason this is happening now

is not because Ronda santis is deeply

concerned about the quality of the food

that our children consume it's because

number one there's a lot of money in the

factory farming industry that is

concerned about this and number two

Republicans made it into this like

culture War thing where it's like and

even Dan santis says in his bill like

the world economic Forum Elites want us

to eat fake meat and bugs and who cares

about climate change Etc so it's this

culture War issue that has the benefit

of also overlapping with a lot of big

money interests fedman I think picking

it up likely given his the demonstrated

level of corruption and how influenced

he is by uh money that is given or

withheld from his campaign I think it's

very reasonable to assume that may be a

factor for him as well but um yeah it's

not like the rest of our food system is

so pristine that it makes any sense to

single out this one potential Innovation

and then the other thing to say is this

is like this is a long way from coming

to fruition yeah that's definitely true

right it's it's still very early in the

development so you know I think we

talked the other day I think it was me

and Emily you were out about Lunchables

like to me things like that are probably

much bigger problem than lab grown meat

which has all of the genetic indications

of being just basically like meat so to

have a hard ban on this it's more

culture War signaling than it is actual

concern for anybody's health because if

you're concerned for anybody's Health

you have a lot more critiques of our

food system than you have sure but I

mean take where you can get right I mean

to me lab grown meat is the epitome of

the Jurassic Park mean uh your

scientists were so preoccupied whether

or not they could they didn't stop to

think if they should I mean the idea

look as we have seen with a lot of the

regenerative farming movement and others

that are out there you can actually

minimize a lot of the climate impact you

can actually raise animals sustainably

you can have much healthier meat and you

can even buy directly from the source

one of the amazing things about the

internet is you can buy meat online

today and you can get a ship to your

house from UPS you're going to pay maybe

15% more than you would buy at the

grocery store I I totally understand a

huge portion of the public cannot afford

that so I am not saying that it is

anywhere where it needs to be but

imagine if those people got the same

Federal subsidies that Tyson's foods and

Purdue farm and all these other people

are getting I mean that's a totally

different type of food system which we

could get to Pro technology in the way

that people could still get access to or

even better buy something locally which

is properly raised so I would I would

just say this lab grown direction is one

where look there's something both in

terms of the playing God but second I

just really believe and we're going to

talk we have a guest later who we're

going to be posting later on uh about

OIC and there is just there is this idea

of hubris where we seem to believe that

we can just synthesize amino acids and

that there isn't something intangible

over hundreds of millions or tens of

millions of years of evolution of an

animal being grown from birth to

wherever it is and then us eating that

animal protein that can just be

synthesized through a tube into uh into

something that we're going to eat and is

going to give us all the nutrients that

we could ever possibly want there's no

you know history of Medical Science that

shows you that like Western medicine

itself right now if you were to uh ask

me how to how to fix a bone they know

how to do that but they don't know what

makes us tick that's why nobody has ever

solved depression or you know why you

can't just take vitamins instead of

eating vegetables if it was that easy

then it would already have been done so

for me it doesn't pass the Lindy test at

all and I think we should stay the hell

away from I mean your take is just

basically like I assume all technology

is bad not all but a lot I mean and it's

very it's very dissonant with

other uh technological like Embrace of

you know the Apple Vision Pro and other

things that you're enhancing human life

and also it's it's very dissonant also

with your um you know your view that we

don't really need to worry about climate

change because science is going to solve

it well this is one area I mean what

it's like 25% of carbon emissions come

from food deliver it's very high

so okay this is part of science solving

the climate change crisis and making it

so that we don't have to make some of

the more dire trade-offs that some of us

fear that ultimately we'll have to make

so listen study it make sure it's safe

but to just have no evidence that it's a

problem and be like I'm going to band it

because I want to own the world economic

Forum Elites is just silly it's just

silly and like I said it's so different

than the way the entire rest of the food

system system is viewed it's just this

sort of like based on nothing

reactionary view that I believe based on

nothing this is going to be a problem

when you know it's nice that you can get

like your organic whatever small ranch

raised beef Etc

99% that's the stat I agree of animals

consumed for food production are factory

farms and it's horrible it's horrible

for the animals it's horrible for human

beings but I don't see Ronda santis or

John fedman upset about that of course

not because that's where they're getting

the money from that is being used to

drive this position and then also this

just like culture War virtue signal I

don't disagree I think there's also I

mean look I understand the whole world

economic Forum thing but really what

they are saying let's say the best faith

version of it is basically in a lab

grown system what does it mean it means

you have to go to a company in order to

buy your meat you can never actually be

fully sustainable or harvest something

if you wanted to yourself what why okay

because you people can still have their

own cow they can still buy their meat I

mean what if they outlaw that it's you

take a stand that but instead of saying

hey let's let's study it and see and

actually maybe this is healthier for

people maybe this reduces the cost of

meat so that people can have more Whole

Foods versus the like you know

Lunchables crap that they're eating now

rather than that you're just like let's

ban it before we even know uh I

understand what you're saying and I'm

not disagreeing that it is a culture

based argument I'm only telling you

where it comes from the skepticism again

I for me it doesn't pass the Lindy test

literally at all the idea that you can

just grow something in a lab and that's

going to replace it if that again if it

were true then vitamins would have

replaced all of vegetables but all

medical science would tell you that a

vitamin is not a direct you know uh is

not a direct substitute now could it get

there maybe but they've been trying you

know for what 40 50 years so on in this

case maybe they will get there but it

does seem like just look it makes me

uncomfortable the idea that these people

are trying to uh consolidate the food

system such that the food system is

already consolidated yeah but we can we

have some but we have some level of self

exit right now I'm saying what if we get

to the point where you have a total

control of the food system there which I

do think that there lot this is actually

competitor to the Consolidated food

system that's why there's a reaction

against it from the political class

because of these monopolists who want to

be able to continue their factory

farming with no alternative and have

Consolidated the marketplace that's

exactly the problem they don't want a

competitor well but they don't the

competitors who are coming in are Jeff

Bezos and the Facebook the VC guys who I

see tweeting about this on Instagram or

on TW sorry on Twitter who are you know

multi-billionaires or have funds

themselves it's like Facebook taking

over the Monopoly of newspapers like did

we win I mean like that's competition

not necessarily good competition like is

the new boss really as good as the old

boss or is it just basically the exact

same type of boss that we have here now

again is disantis corrupt uh do they

really care about the food system no

because they're from the top sugar

producing state in the whole country

like I I'm with you like I'm not saying

that it's not a good thing if we could

ban sugar we probably better off doing

that than we would with lab grown meat

or any of this other stuff we could go

after the agricultural subsidies and

Purdue and Tyson and all these other

companies and you know like Lunchables

which is I don't even know that doesn't

even qualify in my head as meat or hot

dogs or so many of these other things

with all these disgusting additives and

things like that hot dogs are a great

are a great Point actually yeah no

people are fine with hot dogs and you're

worried about this

okay look

I of hot dogs and I don't eat any hot

dogs period I'm not putting that poison

into my body yeah well listen if you

actually care about the food system I

you would do a lot more good rather than

Banning something that hasn't even

really been developed yet you do a lot

more good just like killing the corn

subsidies and the sugar subsidies and um

putting those subsidies instead towards

Whole Foods whole fruits vegetables meat

Etc um but for some reason political

class man interest I think that's a fair

point we were just trying to zoom out a

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