Q2 FY2024 Results Briefing Webcast

Hibiscus Petroleum Berhad
21 Feb 202446:30

Summary

TLDRThe transcript details a financial briefing by Hibus Petroleum for Q2 FY2024, highlighting a significant quarter with the company's first achievement of over 22,000 barrels of oil equivalent per day in production. Despite a dip in oil and condensate sales, the company produced more oil and gas than the previous quarter. They remain on track to meet their 2024 sales target of 7.5 to 7.8 million barrels oil equivalent. Financially, they reported a revenue of $62.76 million, influenced by lower oil prices, and declared a second interim dividend of 2 cents per share. The briefing also covered operational updates, reserve and resource numbers, and future growth strategies, including potential acquisitions and the importance of maintaining a strong financial foundation. The company is actively exploring new opportunities and is committed to doubling production by 2026, with a focus on the right assets at the right price. Management also addressed concerns about geopolitical risks and the importance of health and safety, legal regulatory stability, and long-term decommissioning considerations in their investment decisions.

Takeaways

  • 📈 The company achieved a significant milestone by producing above 22,000 barrels of oil equivalent per day for the first time in Q2 2024.
  • 📉 Despite higher production, the total oil and condensate sold was lower compared to the previous quarter due to the timing of offshore tankings.
  • 💰 Revenue for the quarter decreased by 15.9% to 627.6 million ringgit, primarily due to lower oil prices.
  • 📊 The company is on track to meet its 2024 sales target of between 7.5 and 7.8 million barrels of oil equivalent.
  • 🌐 Exploration drilling has commenced with four targets, and the first two have been completed with data analysis underway.
  • 🇲🇾 In Malaysia, the North Saba field has seen significant production improvements following drilling activities and maintenance completion.
  • 🇬🇧 The UK cluster has submitted a concept select report for the Fine field and has acquired five new blocks in the Central North Sea.
  • 🔋 The company declared a second interim dividend of 2 cents per share for the fiscal year 2024 and has completed a share buyback of 3 million shares.
  • 📊 Operational costs have slightly improved in some areas due to higher production numbers, contributing to maintaining a profit margin exceeding 50%.
  • 🎯 The company is actively looking for acquisition opportunities to close the gap towards its 2026 target of 35,000 to 50,000 barrels of oil equivalent per day.
  • 🌟 The company emphasizes the importance of health and safety, regulatory stability, and geopolitical risks when considering new investments or acquisitions.

Q & A

  • What was the significant achievement in the first quarter of the financial year 2024 for Hius Petroleum?

    -The significant achievement was that it was the first quarter that Hius Petroleum achieved above 22,000 barrels of oil equivalent per day in terms of production.

  • What was the total oil and condensate sold in the second quarter of the financial year 2024 compared to the previous quarter?

    -The total oil and condensate sold was a bit lower in the second quarter compared to the previous quarter, which was mainly due to the timing of the off-takes.

  • What was the revenue generated for Hius Petroleum in the second quarter of the financial year 2024?

    -The revenue generated was 627.6 million ringgit, which was lower than the previous quarter, primarily due to lower oil prices.

  • What is the target for the full financial year 2024 in terms of dividends per share?

    -The target for the full financial year 2024 is to provide at least 7.5 cents per share in dividends.

  • What were the highlights of the exploration drilling activities in the recent quarter?

    -The highlights include the commencement of exploration drilling with four targets in total. The first two targets have been completed and analyzed, and drilling is currently ongoing for the third target.

  • What is the status of the Te West project?

    -Drilling for the Te West project is set to commence in the middle of the financial year 2025, with the first oil targeted towards the end of the calendar year 2025.

  • What improvements were noted in the production levels across the producing assets?

    -There was a significant improvement in production on the back of completed planned maintenance activities. Notably, the wells drilled in 2023 in Peninsula have contributed to the production increase.

  • What is the current operational cost per barrel of oil equivalent (Boe) for the North Saba and Peninsula assets?

    -The unit operating cost slightly improved in North Saba to about $30.7 per barrel, while for Peninsula, it is $26.75 per Boe.

  • What was the impact of the drilling campaign on the Kinabalu PSC in terms of net production numbers?

    -The drilling of two infield wells completed in 2023 led to a significant improvement in net production numbers, increasing from 2,700 barrels per day in the previous quarter to 4,096 barrels per day in the last quarter.

  • What is the company's strategy for acquisitions to achieve the 2026 target of 35,000 to 50,000 barrels of oil equivalent per day?

    -The company is continuously prospecting the market for acquisitions that fit their criteria of being the right asset at the right price and at the right time. They aim to close the gap of approximately 10,000 barrels of oil equivalent per day to meet their 2026 target.

  • What factors does the management consider when assessing the risk of acquiring assets in different regions, such as geopolitical and legal regulatory risks?

    -Management considers several factors including geopolitical risks, stability of the legal framework, long-term decommissioning rules, and the company's ability to survive if an asset has to be written off due to unforeseen circumstances. They aim to avoid situations where force majeure measures may be invoked and ensure the company can stand on its feet even if an asset fails.

Outlines

00:00

😀 Introduction and Q2 2024 Financial Results Overview

The video script begins with an introduction by Liy Ling, VP of Corporate Development, who is joined by various team members including the CFO and VP of Economics and Business Planning. They discuss the release of the company's Q2 2024 financial results and operational updates. The company has achieved a new production milestone of over 22,000 barrels of oil equivalent per day. There's a mention of a slight decrease in total oil and condensate sold due to timing of offtakes, but overall production has increased. Financially, the company generated a revenue of 627.6 million ringgit, influenced by lower oil prices. A second interim dividend of 2 cents per share is declared for the fiscal year 2024, and the share buyback of 3 million shares has been completed.

05:00

📈 Operational and Financial Performance for Q2 2024

The second paragraph focuses on the operational and financial performance of the company during the second quarter of the fiscal year 2024. It highlights that the realized oil and condensate price was $90 per barrel, with an integrated gas price of about $70 per barrel of oil equivalent (Boe). The company sold 1.8 to 1.9 million barrels of oil equivalent, and is on track to deliver approximately 7.7 million barrels of oil equivalent for the fiscal year. The production and unit operating costs are discussed, with improvements noted in several assets. The company's operational highlights include Kinabalu PSC's significant improvement due to drilling activities and the PM3 CA PSC's sustained oil production. Exploration activities are also covered, with updates on drilling targets and participation in licensing rounds.

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🌟 Reserves and Resources Update

The third paragraph provides an update on the company's reserves and resources. It details the 2P (Proven and Probable) reserves and 2C (Contingent) resources for the Habiscus group as of January 1, 2024. The total 2P oil and condensate reserves are reported to be around 60 million barrels of oil equivalent, with 49.9 million barrels being oil and condensate, and 11 million barrels being gas. The 2C oil resources are estimated at 59 million barrels, mainly from the Marold field. The paragraph also discusses the company's forward plans, including the development of assets in the UK and the expectation of first oil from the Te West project by the end of 2025.

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📊 Profit Margin and Balance Sheet Analysis

The fourth paragraph delves into the company's profit margin and balance sheet. Despite a decrease in revenue due to lower oil prices and a reduction in offtakes in North Saba, the company has managed to maintain a profit margin exceeding 50%. The operational results have improved significantly, particularly due to the completion of planned maintenance activities in the Malaysian PSC. The depreciation and amortization of non-current assets have increased, which has slightly impacted the profit margin. The tax situation is stable, and the company has a healthy cash position, allowing it to support capital expenditure programs and consider new opportunities.

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🎯 Future Projections and Growth Strategy

The fifth paragraph outlines the company's projections for the current year and its growth strategy. The company is on track to meet its production guidance of 7.5 to 7.8 million barrels of oil equivalent for the fiscal year, which represents an improvement over the previous year. The company has provided detailed breakdowns of oil and gas deliveries and is actively seeking acquisitions to achieve its 2026 target of 35 to 50,000 barrels of oil equivalent per day. The company is also focused on organic growth through projects like Teal West and sf30 water flood, and it emphasizes the importance of securing the right assets at the right price and time.

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🏗️ Project Updates and Exploration Activities

The sixth paragraph provides updates on important projects for the next year, including Teal West and sf30 water flood, and emphasizes the commitment of significant capital expenditure to these projects. The company is also actively scanning various opportunities for acquisitions, with a focus on being funded and ready to make bold statements about their financial capabilities. The paragraph also touches on operational improvements, maintenance catch-up post-COVID period, and the importance of keeping unit production costs at current levels while maintaining asset integrity and uptime.

30:09

🤝 Acquisition Strategy and Exploration Insights

The seventh paragraph discusses the company's acquisition strategy and its approach to exploration. The company is looking to close a gap of about 10,000 barrels of oil equivalent per day to meet its targets and is actively seeking the right assets at the right price. It also addresses the company's satisfaction with reserve replenishment activities and its commitment to exploration, including drilling activities and the pursuit of new resources. The company's approach to risk assessment, considering geopolitical and legal regulatory risks, is also highlighted.

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🔍 Exploration Wells and PM3 CAA Extension

The eighth paragraph provides insights into the company's exploration wells, noting that while some data is available, technical work and partner agreement are necessary before definitive statements can be made. It also addresses the progress of the PM3 CAA extension, with regulatory meetings held and a key principal agreement aimed to be in place by the end of the year. The importance of timely agreement to avoid deferred developments and potential production drops is emphasized.

40:12

🌐 Geopolitical Risks and Asset Considerations

The ninth paragraph focuses on the company's considerations regarding geopolitical risks and legal regulatory stability when assessing potential assets or blocks. It discusses the importance of evaluating long-term decommissioning rules and the potential impact on the company's ability to survive if an asset were to go wrong. The company's approach to risk assessment and its commitment to transparency are highlighted, with the mention of releasing the webcast recording of the briefing on their website.

45:13

📅 Closing Remarks and Upcoming Webcast Release

The final paragraph consists of closing remarks from the company, thanking participants for attending the briefing and reminding them that the recording will be available on the company's website the following day. The company encourages any further questions and wishes everyone to stay safe.

Mindmap

Keywords

💡Barrels of Oil Equivalent (BOE)

Barrels of Oil Equivalent is a unit of measurement used in the oil and gas industry to quantify the energy content of different hydrocarbons on a common basis. It is used to simplify comparisons between different types of hydrocarbons, such as oil, condensate, and natural gas. In the script, the company discusses achieving production of over 22,000 BOE per day, which is a significant milestone.

💡Revenue

Revenue refers to the income generated from the sale of goods or services. It is a key financial metric that indicates a company's financial performance. The script mentions a decrease in revenue primarily driven by lower oil prices, which impacted the company's financial results for the quarter.

💡Interim Dividends

Interim Dividends are payments made to shareholders during a company's fiscal year, in addition to the final or annual dividend. They provide investors with an income stream and can be an indicator of a company's financial health. The script notes that the company declared a second interim dividend of 2 cents per share for the fiscal year 2024.

💡Exploration Drilling

Exploration Drilling is the process of drilling into the earth to discover new reserves of oil or gas. It is a critical activity for oil and gas companies seeking to grow their reserves and production capabilities. The script highlights that the company initiated exploration drilling and completed two targets, with analysis of the data underway.

💡Reserves and Resources

Reserves are the quantities of oil and gas that are economically and legally available for extraction at a given time. Resources, on the other hand, are the total quantities of hydrocarbons available, which may include reserves as well as other potential quantities that are not yet commercially viable. The script provides an update on the company's 2P reserves and 2C resources, reflecting their production strategy and potential for future growth.

💡Production Cost

Production Cost refers to the total expenses incurred in extracting and processing oil and gas. It is a critical factor in determining the profitability of an operation. The script discusses unit operating costs, which slightly improved in certain areas due to higher production numbers, indicating better operational efficiency.

💡Capital Expenditure (CapEx)

Capital Expenditure refers to funds used by a company to acquire or upgrade physical assets, such as property, industrial buildings, or equipment. In the context of the script, CapEx is mentioned in relation to the sf3 water flood project and other developments, which are essential for increasing production and maintaining the company's asset base.

💡Share Buyback

A Share Buyback is when a company repurchases its own shares from the market, which can increase the value of remaining shares and is often seen as a sign of financial confidence. The script indicates that the company has set aside a budget for share buybacks and will be opportunistic in its approach, depending on market conditions.

💡Operational Metrics

Operational Metrics are the measures used to assess the efficiency and effectiveness of a company's operations. They can include production levels, costs, and other performance indicators. The script provides operational highlights and metrics for each of the company's producing assets, which are crucial for understanding the company's performance.

💡Financial Year (FY)

A Financial Year, or Fiscal Year, is the 12-month period used by businesses to calculate their financial performance. It may or may not align with the calendar year. The script references FY 2024, during which the company is providing guidance on production, dividends, and other financial expectations.

💡Maintenance Activities

Maintenance Activities refer to the routine work performed to keep equipment and facilities in good working order. In the script, the company mentions completing planned maintenance activities, which is essential for ensuring the reliability and safety of their operations.

Highlights

The company achieved a production milestone of over 22,000 barrels of oil equivalent per day for the first time.

Total oil and condensate sold was lower this quarter due to timing of offtakes, despite increased production.

Sold 0.7 million barrels of oil equivalent of gas, marking a 14.1% increase.

On track to meet the 2024 sales target between 7.5 and 7.8 million barrels oil equivalent.

Revenue generation of $62.76 million, primarily affected by lower oil prices.

Declared a second interim dividend of 2 cents per share for the fiscal year 2024.

Completed a share buyback of 3 million shares, retaining them as treasury shares.

Exploration drilling initiated with four targets; the first two have been completed and data analyzed.

Submitted the concept select report for the Fine Field to the authorities and awaiting feedback.

Successfully acquired five blocks in the Central North Sea during the 33rd UK offshore licensing round.

Drilling for T West is set to commence in mid-2025, with first oil targeted for the end of 2025.

Significant improvement in production for North Saba and Peninsula due to completed maintenance activities and contribution from wells drilled in 2023.

Unit operating costs slightly improved in Nor Saa due to higher production numbers.

Drilling of two infield wells in Kinabalu PSC in 2023 led to a significant increase in net production numbers.

Net average production rate in PM3 CA PSC sustained due to the H4 drilling campaign.

1P reserves and 2P resources numbers updated as of January 1, 2024, with TP reserves at approximately 60 million barrels of oil equivalent.

The company aims to double production by 2026 and is actively looking for acquisition opportunities to achieve this target.

Share buyback activities are ongoing, with a set budget for this financial year, and the company is opportunistic about it.

Exploration activities are expected to continue, with a focus on cost recovery mechanisms and potential farm-ins to high-chance blocks.

The company is focused on health and safety, operational excellence, and maintaining a strong balance sheet while pursuing growth opportunities.

Transcripts

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evening everyone and Kai to those

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celebrating thank you for joining us for

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the hius petroleum quarter 2 Financial

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year 2024 analyst and F managers

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grouping I'm liy Ling VP of corporate

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development and I'm joined by our CFO

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yep

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c b taker our VP of economics and

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business

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planning Dr Pascal hos our country HTE

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Malaysia and Vietnam Joyce wasu dwan our

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head of corporate finance and Andrew

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Fernandez from my team our managing

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director Dr P Perera will join us

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shortly after his board meeting has

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ended we are also accompanied by the

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team from F PR our recently appointed IR

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partner believe you would have received

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email invites from them for this

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briefing and to those who check in

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earlier Andrew and myself are very much

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on board for ir and yes I'm grateful to

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still have my job this afternoon release

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our results and on our website you'll

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find our corporate and business update

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CBU uh which details out our financial

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and operational updates press release

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and this briefing slides which can also

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be found in this Zoom chat we'll kick

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off with the presentation followed by

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the FAQ if you have any questions type

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them in the chat or raise your hand and

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we'll call on you to unmute and ask your

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question so I'll pass this over to

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Pascal

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now all right

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thanks evening everybody thank you for

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joining us this

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late let's

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let's dive in straight away so I get the

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pleasure of giving you the highlights of

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a quite an exciting

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quarter uh to start off with just want

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to highlight that uh this was the very

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first quarter that we've actually

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achieved above 22,000 barrels of oil

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equivalent per day in terms of

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production um the total oil and

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condensate sold uh is a bit lower this

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quarter compared to the previous quarter

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but as uh pretty much just a matter of

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timing of the off Tes yeah so we

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actually produce more oil than in the

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previous quarter

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um we also produce more gas yeah so we

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sold .7 million barrels of O equivalent

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of gas which is 14.1%

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increase uh just to highlight that we're

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still on track to hit the potential year

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2024 sales Target between 7.5 and 7.8

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million barrels oil

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equivalent okay so in terms of the

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financials we generate a revenue of six

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27.6 million

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ring down over previous quarter which is

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primarily driven by lower oil

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prices the Ia reached

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3253 R also is roughly the same

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percentage lower compared to the

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previous

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quarter uh on the back of these results

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we declared a second inter dividends of

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2 cent per share for fiscal year

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2024 and we've now completed the share

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by back of 3 million shares that have

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been retained as treasury

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shares so in total uh in terms of

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dividend we' declared 4 Cent so far and

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the target is for full Financial year

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2024 to provide at least 75 7.5 Cent per

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share

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divid terms of projects highlights yeah

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this this last quarter we kicked off

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exploration drilling yeah uh we're total

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we're Drilling

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four targets the first two Targets have

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been completed and the data has been

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analyzed as we speak currently drilling

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the third

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target um in terms of the UK um the

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concept select report for the fine field

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has been submitted to the authority the

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nsda so we're waiting on feedback on

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that

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report on top of that uh recently we

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participated in the 33rd UK offshore

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licensing rounds and we were

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successfully five blocks in the Central

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North Sea all complimenting um our

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existing assets there

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already terms of T West the update there

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is that drilling is to commence in the

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middle of gendar year

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2025 with first oil targeted towards the

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end of calendar year

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2025 okay and with that I hand it over

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to uh to defa give you operational

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Financial thanks

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Pascal um so let's U go through the

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operational highlights and operational

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metrics for each of the psc's uh before

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we hand it over to Cy for the financial

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highlights so this slides uh gives you

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an operational highlights for all of our

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producing assets um so on a on habiscus

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for habiscus group as fcal stated uh we

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produced 22,000 barrels of oil

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equivalent per day that's our net

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production of oil condensate in

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gas in terms of realized price

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uh we our realized oil and condensate

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price was $90 per barrel and once we

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integrate the gas it's roughly about $70

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per

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Boe total volumes of oil condensate and

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gas which we have sold in this quarter

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was 1.8 or 1.9 million barrel of oil

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equivalent combined quarter 1 and

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quarter 2 for FY 2024 we have sold

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roughly about 3.9 million barrel of oil

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equivalent and we are we are on track to

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deliver close to 7.7 million barrel of

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oil equivalent so remaining 3.8 million

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barrel of oil equivalent would be sold

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in quarter three and quarter four going

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for the bottom we are showing the

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production and unit operating cost um so

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overall the production level in all of

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the uh the producing assets have

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improved anasua more or less very

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similar to what we produced last quarter

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but in nor saba and Peninsula

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significant Improvement in production on

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the back of basically the um the last uh

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planned maintenance activity has been

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completed and then uh in Peninsula

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espically the wells which we drilled in

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2023 the contribution from all of the

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wells have been realized right so in

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notaba we produced

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5,133 U barrels per day anasua 2,100

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barrels per day barrels of oil

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equivalent per day Peninsula is

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14,940 barrels of oil equal per day our

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unit operating cost uh is slightly

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improved in nor SAA because of higher

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production numbers so roughly about 30.7

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us per barrel um anasua is $

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32.97 per Boe and Peninsula is

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26.75 US per

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Boe okay let's go to the next slide so

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this is this this particular slide is uh

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for Kinabalu PSC so we are going to

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cover Kinabalu pm3 CAA nor saba and

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anasua for producing assets so in

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Kinabalu

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PSC um two significant um with drilling

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of two infield Wells completed last year

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in

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2023 uh we have seen significant

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Improvement in net production numbers um

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now it's last quarter it was 4 96

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barrels per day compared to previous

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quarter was 2,700 barrels per

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day uh and and as a result of it net

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Opex per barrel has reduced uh

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significantly okay let's go to the next

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slide okay uh pm3 CA

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PSC um so the net average production

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rate is 10,532 barrels of oil equivalent

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per day

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which is on the back of the sustained

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oil production from the

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H4 drilling campaign of the wells which

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we drill last year in

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2023 the Opex per barrel Opex per barrel

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of oil equivalent um is more or Lessing

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slightly increased to

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27.1 n compared to the previous quarter

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um because of some one of uh plan

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maintenance activities in uh in spec

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specifically related to both fso which

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we run so in terms of the life extension

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projects um which were

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done and also we delivered higher gas

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sales in compared to compared to the

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last year due to the plan due to the

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completion of the pl maintenance

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activities let's go to the next slide

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then so the North Saba uh we produced

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5,13 three barrels per day uh

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significant Improvement in production

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net production for North Saba uh is is

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coming from two key factors one

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is we are drilling sf3 so so we are

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spending capex on sf3 water FL Phase 2

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project so all of these capex has helped

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us to increase our entitlement to close

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to 36 37% in this particular uh

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water

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um and of course second is the

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completion of the maintenance

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program um going back to the exploration

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um activities which Pascal was talking

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about there are three targets two

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Targets have been completed drilling

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third target uh and then we will uh with

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all of the data being reviewed by our

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subsur okay let's go to the next slide

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it is UK an

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cluster so in anasua we produced

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2,118 barrels of oil equival but very

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much similar to our last quarter uh we

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completed our 15 days uh plan shutdown

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activity at anasui

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PSO net Opex Barrel you will see slight

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increase um increase by about4 to5 per

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bu Bas Bas basically related to one of

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health and safety related in inspection

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activities which we had to do that um

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coming to the the forward plans in terms

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of our UK development assets to the te

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West uh first oil expected in the

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quarter 4 calendar year

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20125 fine field fine discovered asset

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which we acquired from Rapid um so we

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have we have submitted our concept

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select report to nstda the fine is also

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candidates to tie back to

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anasua so very similar to what we are

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trying to do in Te West te West well

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will be would be tie back to anasua Appo

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and in next few years we would do the

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same for the fine discovered fine that's

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that's objective in addition we have

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been awarded uh five blocks um in UK

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noty all proximity to the mar gold field

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just to kind of aggregate all of those

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discoveries around marold

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period okay let's go to the next slide

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so this slide shows uh the reserves and

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resources numbers basically 2 p reserves

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and two resources for habiscus uh group

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all of these numbers are net to habiscus

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group so our total uh 2p oil and

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condensate reserves as a 1 January

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2024 previously we were showing the

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reserves and resources numbers as at 1

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July 2023 now what we have done is we

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have subtracted the actual oil gas and

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condensate production from the previous

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uh previous reported reserves and this

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is the updated numbers so as of 1 July 1

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January 2024 our TP

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reserves um stands roughly about roughly

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about 60 million barrel of oil

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equivalent out of its 49.9 is oil and

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condensate and 11 million barrel of oil

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equivalent is gas resar

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on the third column third bar we are

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showing this is 2C oil resources which

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is 59 uh million barrel of oil 59

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million barrel barrel of oil

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predominantly coming from 33 million

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Barrel biggest contributor is the mar

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gold uh followed by followed by our

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Australia and then

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nor let's go to the next slide so I will

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hand it over to Cy thanks DEA uh good

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evening everyone

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um now I think you've heard from uh dear

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um and also from Pasa earlier that they

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have generated quite favorable

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operational performance during the

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quarter and heating above 22,000 Boe per

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day for the first time in one quarter

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but uh that did not really translate

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into the sales volume as as you are

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aware that our sales volume is uh you

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know depends on the timing of the Optics

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so um that place fairly big part in the

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in the revenue that we have recorded for

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the quarter uh you can see that in the

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first uh the chart on the left far left

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um Revenue went down by

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15.9% uh and that's really because uh in

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North Saba when you compare against the

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last preceding

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quarter uh they had um two offs uh

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generating close to about 550,000

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barrels whereas this time around it was

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about 350,000 so that's really again

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timing nor sa in a particular Financial

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year you would um expect them to

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generate about five off takes uh so that

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two so one quarter will always have two

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and that was the last quarter so hence

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you will see this uh particular um I

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mean this is the main reason really uh

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that we also highlighted that oil prices

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that we have realized for all the sales

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uh is a little bit was a bit lower

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compared to last quarter but but but I

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say lower is not like low uh it's not

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low really our average oil price for the

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quarter was 9021 and that's that's

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fairly High actually uh but if you

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compare to last quarter uh it was

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touching almost 100 and hence that also

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if you compare the two quarters then you

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get this particular

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trending okay and so along with that um

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I move to IA the the thing is with I if

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you look at the quantum it is lower uh

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but if you look at the I margin despite

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lower oil prices or uh for oil and gas

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prices we have

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actually um managed to uh

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maintain a margin to be uh to be to to

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exceed 50% so 52.6 this time around uh

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last time around against 51.8 in the

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second quarter so um and the quantum

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that have gone down is really because of

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the lower Revenue but um the reason why

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we could maintain our profit margin uh

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importantly is because our operational

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results have improved quite

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significantly during the second quarter

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uh in the first quarter we've conducted

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and completed all the U plan maintenance

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activities particularly in the Malaysian

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PSS uh so that was uh uh conducted prior

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to

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October uh and I think DEA also alluded

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to two Wells from uh two new infu wells

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this year this financial year um but the

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impact was full fully recorded only in

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Q2 because one of them was in August and

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one of them came online in October so uh

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the full impact of these two infs were

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uh were were were recorded in the second

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quarter and uh there there are no

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maintenance I mean there's nothing um

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really one of uh adverse activities uh

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from operational

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perspective uh from a p perspective

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there is a little bit lower uh profit

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margin compared to last quarter now

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that's despite Marin being quite

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consistent that's really because um in

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tandem with the higher production levels

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particularly in Kinabalu and

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pm3 uh the depreciation and mization of

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our non-current assets have also

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increased so non-cash in nature uh and

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hence there is this uh Dro in uh decline

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in P margin compared to the beta margin

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um on the tax front no surprises uh to

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highlight this

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quarter okay so the next next page now

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this one uh Compares buy asset or buy

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cluster of assets the

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um selling price um the Opex per barrel

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oper Boe net Opex per barrel oper Boe uh

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and the uh I margin for each quarter um

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from 1 Q fi 20 from the last Financial

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year on

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uh and what what you can see is this

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since we quite the Peninsular group of

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assets um our profit margin has always

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exceeded 50% that's the margin has

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always exceeded 50% um regardless of

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where the oil price is and uh we have

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always be able to maintain um the

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operations to a good extent because of

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the scale of that uh uh cluster of

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assets they're big enough to actually

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sustain all the um any adverse operation

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um or or you know uh activities uh North

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Saba quite similar uh we have

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uh been achieving almost always above

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40% uh in the past uh six

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quarters and uh in anuria I think as we

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all know anria is a bit more what you

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call it bit more

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um it it it is more fluid so when the

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oil prices uh go higher your profit our

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profit margin will be also quite uh will

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increase more sharply and hence you can

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see that our beta margin uh

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is can can can go up to 60 to 70% in the

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past and this quarter because of some

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additional cost in Cur for some HC

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health and safety related activities it

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was close to

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%. so in all very profitable quarter uh

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cross all

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plus so then that brings us to the

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balance sheet High um another so another

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good quarter obviously and that brings

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our shareholders funds to be about

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2.9 Million RM um slightly increased

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from the last quarter as well and also

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from uh because of the positive

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contribution from all of our groups um

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using

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assets um you will see that there is a

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debt I think we've highlighted this

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before this is the term loan that we

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have undertaken uh but the bance the

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balances are reducing and we have making

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uh the repayments um have been made as

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per schedule and that resulted in a net

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cash position to the group of close

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close to 500 million as at 30th uh 31st

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December

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2023

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okay so that's a healthy cash position

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actually and that allows us

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to support our capital expenditure

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programs internally and if we find any

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um right opportunities then you it also

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allows us to um to partake in those

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uh okay I think that's the the next

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section would be Ken good evening

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everyone thank you very much for joining

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us sorry I'm a bit late joining this but

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you know straight into

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the but to present all the good news so

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um yeah so I think uh just to kind of

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talk a little bit about what we are

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expecting to deliver this year I think

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generally you would have seen from the

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results uh at the moment things going a

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little slow we are we are on track to

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deliver on our our on our guidance for

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production uh we we gave guidance that

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we would be somewhere in the range of

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7.5 to 7.8 million barrels of oil

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equivalent for the year the financial

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year uh that is up from 7.1 million

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barrels of oil equivalent that we

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delivered last year at this point in

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time as we see it we hope we will get

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somewhere in the range towards the

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higher side of that guidance probably

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around the 7.7 markets what we're

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targeting at this point in time but you

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know that all the same an improvement on

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on last year uh in terms of kex uh also

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um we've got projects in nor Saba

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Kinabalu uh we are funded for the capex

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the number looks a little bit um a

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little bit scary but important to say

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that we are funded and all of these

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projects hopefully we'll be delivering

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some uh increases in production and

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we'll see that next year okay so it

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looks a large number but the important

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thing is we we will not have to do any

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kind of equity raise to fund this kex

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it's all will be from internal

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funds uh dividends we have given

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guidance again 7.5 cents per share for

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on on on the Consolidated share basis so

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um uh you know and uh hopefully that is

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going to uh it's a 20% increase from

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last year Financial year 2023 so

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hopefully U hopefully oil prices stay

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stay strong uh this next year we will

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look at something a bit even more

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aggressive but for now this is the

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guidance we're able to

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provide um the following slide we're

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just giving some gr Gran granularity on

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on our production schedule so that you

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can work on your models um just kind of

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saying exactly where the production is

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coming from whether it's oil or gas uh

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and uh already we also are are

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disclosing here what has actually been

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already delivered for January the month

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of January that's already been delivered

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and you will be able to see how we build

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up that number of 7.7 million barrels in

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the last in the last column there uh in

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yellow uh that 7.7 million barrels how

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it's how it's uh being built up over the

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next few quarters what we try to do uh

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and we're not super successful all the

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time on it but we try not to have too

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many

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uh of takes and this is when we sell the

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caros of oil in the same week in the

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same month because then sometimes as the

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oil price moves we might expose

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ourselves to a little bit more

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volatility so what we try to do is we

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are trying to um smooth it out over the

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years so that's the kind of agenda that

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we have what we've also done on this

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chart I'm not going into every sell

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every number in every sell but the

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important thing is uh the team has given

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a breakdown of you know what what are

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oil deliveries and what are gas

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deliveries and the 7.7 million barrels

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how much of it is oil so you can then

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Park uh you can you can then compute an

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oil revenue from that and you can also

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compute the gas Revenue you can you have

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the breakdowns so hopefully you find

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that helpful and you'll find this chart

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useful I

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think in terms of growth um you know we

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we are we are always in we're always

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prospecting the market looking to U help

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us achieve our 2026 Target of 35 to

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50,000 barrels of oil equivalent per day

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that's going to be more than double

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where we are today so to get to

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somewhere in the the midpoint range

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we'll have to double up production so so

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we are always looking for an acquisition

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production will uh organic growth

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production will only take us a certain

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amount of the way so um we are going to

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um also be all the time looking for for

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um uh some kind of attractive asset to

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buy uh and and there are some there are

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some processes ongoing around the region

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and all of them are of interest to us so

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we we keep we keep looking but it's it's

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not about getting asset it's about

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getting the right asset at the right

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price for us it's got to be in the right

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in the right uh phase of its own life

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cycle for for us to be able to add value

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and make an impact so it's important for

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us uh important projects for next year

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will be teal West to deliver some some

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production and also the sf30 water flood

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you know a lot of kexs is being

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committed to these projects so they will

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have to deliver the numbers in terms of

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production but will not get us to our

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Target so somewhere along the line over

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the next between now and 2026 we will

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have to try to close uh and it's not

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going to be one deal that brings the

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Silver Bullet it may have to be a couple

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of deals that take us there okay so uh

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the team is working hard scanning

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scanning the various opportunities to to

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see whether uh they would work for us

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and and it's also nice that we have some

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unused uh facilities in terms of funding

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so when we go to buy assets uh we are

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not telling the vendor it's subject to

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some funding process we are able to to

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make some pretty uh you know bold

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statements about doing being funded to

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do something so that's that's also

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pretty good

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thing I think then on the last last um

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last slide I think I think it's the last

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slide so um how come I got the most

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number SL me and Deepa getting the most

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number slides yeah so anyways um yeah so

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we are we're trying to um you know we're

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working on all fronts um the the growth

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strategy very very important very very

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clear across the company everybody's

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aligned towards this uh singular mission

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to double production by 2026 we are

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backed by a lot of development

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opportunities within the company but at

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the same time because um there are there

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are acquisition opportunities we are

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also looking looking at those uh we've

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been doing some nice work on the

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operations so

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ERS are you can see the production is

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increasing uh we have also caught up a

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lot of the the maintenance you can see

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some of the unit production costs have

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increased we've had to catch up on a lot

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of Maintenance that was deferred from

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the covid period I think we just about

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got now so I think uh hopefully we'll be

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able to keep our our unit production

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cost at at these type of levels uh and

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keep the Integrity of the assets High

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and the and the up times high as well in

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terms of U Capital uh the cash flow

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statement the balance sheet are are are

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telling a reasonably good story uh cash

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balance is is reasonably strong the cash

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flow quite strong and and we've got some

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unutilized fac facilities and and and

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the facilities that we have utilized as

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well not not a huge gearing ratio at

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this point in time so we're quite

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comfortable with that uh we are working

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we are we've kept a continuous flow of

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dividends since we started paying

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dividends so we will try to keep that

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going for

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2024 we like I said we' have provided

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some guidance on where we will be for

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financial year

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2024 and uh yeah the valuation is the

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only thing disappointing we feel it

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needs to we need to work hard you know

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trying to improve it against our peers

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uh there seems to be a lot of and compar

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against UPS lot of opportunity for

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upside so you know that's for you to do

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your

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work we can only do our work and and we

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hope that there will be some uh some

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interest in the market you

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know

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on you know there's also one more thing

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that seems to be happening in the market

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right now and that is uh

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I think there is irrespective of all the

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the ESG and climate change activism and

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all of that people are now beginning to

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understand that oil and gas is an

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important part of the energy mix it's

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becoming and and more and more um

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prominent people are are saying making

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more and more bold statements about this

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so I think that's very important so

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hopefully very and you can see I mean

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Warren Buffett keeps increasing his

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stake in the oil companies yeah yeah he

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he keeps doing it the big mergers that

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you see in the US I mean why why are

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these big mergers happening because they

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want to have the scale to be able to be

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extremely competitive in this market and

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and and and do things in a Consolidated

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way have Consolidated strategies and

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another reason why it's happening is

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because of the security risk in the

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Middle East I think uh I think uh you

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know the the Western World wants to have

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a a secure source of energy and they

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want to know where where it's it's going

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to come from so I think that's also

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important interesting to see that in the

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last two weeks Germany committed to a

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huge uh 10 gaws of power electricity

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Supply coming from combined gas turbines

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gas generation and and they 10 gaws okay

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so this is a country that was committed

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to Renewables uh completely uh

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decommissioned its nuclear facilities

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and now going back to gas turbines and

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you must ask yourself 10 gaw of

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electricity from gas turbines where is

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the gas coming from and and uh they

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building now even the the LG import

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terminals to accept to receive that gas

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so so they need reception centers for

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the gas so it's going to come from

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somewhere be imported so uh and and

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there's going to be demand so I think uh

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surely surely over the next uh I would

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say 10 years our industry We Believe

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will still be strong so I think I think

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with that I I include conations and

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hopefully all the others are ready to

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take your

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questions

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yeah going to the Q&A so I think there's

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a there are three questions from John Po

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from insights the first one is over the

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medium term it seems that the growth

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will come from many infield and some new

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blocks are there

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Brown fields that deem attractive on the

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radar for the team what will be the size

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of recation that's comfortable for hus

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without an equity raise

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or um okay so I think I'll do this

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together with Pascal and deart probably

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and and please chime in okay but I

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think long and short is as I said we are

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the the target has been set for us

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35,000 to 50,000 equivalent a day by

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2026 uh within our own P folio we will

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probably get to somewhere in the range

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of what 28 30,000 barrels of oil

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equivalent a day if we do all our

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development activities by that time so

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there's going to be a gap to close uh we

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are determined to close that Gap and

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meet our objectives therefore at some

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point we will make some

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Acquisitions uh the process we are

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looking all the time and there are

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processes ongoing in different parts of

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the region right now but not to say

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we're in it or whatever but we we are

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definitely interested to to

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participate and what has always been

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important for us is to get the right

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asset at the right price and at the

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right time because right right price and

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right time come together okay uh Right

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Price Right Time important okay because

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um you you can't pay at the peak of the

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oil prices and all of that kind of stuff

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so it's got to be a reasonable

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transaction uh I I so I guess the answer

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is yes we looking at Acquisitions all

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the time okay yeah is there a size of

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acquisition that's comfortable for H

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visus without an equity

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rise there is s well I mean

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uh think we know what we are trying to

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achieve in terms of a Target we're

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trying to close a gap of about 10,000

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bar of oil equivalent a day actually

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that's what we're trying to do so I

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think let's start with what is the

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objective and if it's a good transaction

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it should be reasonably uh debt fund I

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think we can still find money in from

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the market for debt so it's got to be

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reasonably debt fundable and and I think

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it's in everybody's interest including

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some of the management here not to not

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to have too much of

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dilution and the second question is is

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the management satisfied with the

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reserve replenishment activities that

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planned over the next three to five

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years I mean for the first time a long

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time we're actually drilling

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exporation we're actively seeking for

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new resources to add to our

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portfolio and if you remember that's how

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we started as a company it's essentially

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exploration now added it back to our to

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our work program um besides that of

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course the development activities we're

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actively developing the sf30 water FL

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which been add significant number of

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barrels and we have additional

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developments in the pm3 area as well so

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yeah in terms of activities it's it's

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actually quite a high level compared to

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where we were before so the in terms of

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resources I think we have plenty the bag

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to to develop over the next five to

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seven years okay and the third question

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is will share buy back continue

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throughout fy2 24 and fy2 at this

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prices we have a certain trold that we

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thinking about and we are opportunistic

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about it um and we have set aside budget

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to undertake share BuyBacks for this

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financial year we um and we will

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continue to monitor our share price

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and John I hope that answered your

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question raise his hand Dr you want to

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unmute yourself and say your

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question hey um hi hi everyone um just a

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quick follow up on the exploration

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talk uh so going forward should we

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expect more exploration and would it

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only be done under the um the cost kind

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of sharing mechanism or would we also be

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open to um taking out all of you know I

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guess underwriting the the expenses

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ourselves yeah so um I think um that

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that's a good observation because um the

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exploration work we are doing now uh we

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drill the B latara well last

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year under hibiscus Malaysia and it came

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in above expectations and it was

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immediately put into production it was

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it was planned in such a way that it

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immediately was was tied into the

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production Network and started producing

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right away so that was very successful

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well it's it's been the subject even of

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a case study for for Petronas they they

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bring it up a few times now and uh now

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we we are working on on the uh the not

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the nor Saba nearfield exploration

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opportunities this one will not be TI if

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if it's successful and the results are

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good then we will we will not be able to

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tie these in right away they will need

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further work uh and and that that those

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studies and all these things are you

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know we we will have to do them in due

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force and make the announcements but

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next year there is the bua ASA well uh

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in Peninsula Malaysia sorry this year

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I'm I'm still thinking 2023 next month

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we're going to be drilling Bas so that's

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another exploration opportunity all of

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these Wells that we have drilled from

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last year to this year are all cost

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recoverable so we we've kind of worked

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very hard to get them all all in the

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cost recovery bucket so so uh our our

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exposure is limited okay now uh

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regarding uh real kind of rank

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exploration opportunities where we take

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up new blocks and and and do some

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exploration uh that will

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only only happen if we Farm into blocks

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where we feel that the that there's

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going to be really a high chance of

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success or at all there are going to be

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tieback opportunities to infrastructure

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which is already nearby and and which

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maybe we are operating I think that

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could potentially be a a scenario we we

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have to think about that

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uh maybe in the in the midterm I

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wouldn't say it's something we're going

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to do tomorrow but we will think about

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that in the midterm has our financial

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Foundation gets stronger we will be able

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to do that but uh it is it is clear that

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you

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know it it's not at these oil prices

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you're not going to be able to get easy

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opportunities you're going to have to

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step out a little bit of your comfort

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zone of our comfort zone and take a

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little bit of near field exploration

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some like what we're doing in not Saba

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it's clear because oil prices are $75

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$80 everybody is thinking let's hold on

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to them and and and generate some cash

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so uh unless you're willing to to step

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out a little bit and and do a little bit

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of exploration to really enhance value

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it is difficult can imagine to buy an

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asset and to recover enough money uh to

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make that that acquisition uh you know V

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viable and and and become a good appli

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so okay um no thanks thanks uh and

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regarding the UK um what I think there

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was five uh what is it called there was

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five blocks right would any of them add

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to your reserves or uh

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resources yeah so the the blocks that we

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have the crown the crown license adds to

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our add to our contingent resources

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Kil Ramy uh block will add to our

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resources so yes uh they are adding to

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our resources okay but it's not there

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yet right in the we we have not put the

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numbers yet because we need to do some

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technical work but there are wells been

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drilled and discoveries made and our our

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gut feeli is that they will they will

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add to the Consol Consolidated volumes

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of the marold area to make it a more

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exciting uh uh area to kind of invest in

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okay great and last question for me is

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regarding this exploration um Wells so

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I'm just going to be a bit cheeky here

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but you've drill two already or I guess

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almost three wouldn't you have already

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some sort of data on like the flow rate

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like would you already know if it's uh

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you know if it's interesting or not at

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this

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point

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um yes and no we I

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mean you you have to do the technical

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work the partners have to agree and and

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then when you come out uh you know it's

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not us it's it's ourselves the partner

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and and also the the regulator all have

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to agree that there that those technical

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work is sound and and this is the answer

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uh we are not quite there yet let's just

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say that for now okay great thank you

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har from menu live you have a question

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okay um Can management talk about the

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progress of extension of pm3 CAA is

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there some kpi in order to get the

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extension yes um so this is actually

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actively ongoing at the moment um we

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recently in January we had a um

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essentially regulatory meeting with both

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p and

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all parties agre that the aim is to

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cap actually key principal agreement in

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place by this

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year we set an internal Target to try

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and achieve this faster than the end of

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the year but B out of our hands you know

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exactly where we want to be but uh We've

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also kind of set the bar uh to the point

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where everybody understands that longer

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it takes to get the U the principal

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agreement in

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place uh

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the longer uh ESS developments will be

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deferred which will cause a drop of

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production eventually so no nobody's

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interest I think all parties are now

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working quite diligently to trying to

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reach a point where we can

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sign I hope that answers your question

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T from Trident analytics um there's a

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question what is the one thing that can

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keep the management awake at

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night those

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who

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well firstly are we

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[Laughter]

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sleeping yeah say what keeps you

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away you got to make sure that

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everybody's always focusing every day

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health and

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safety John hi John you want to unmute

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yourself hi good

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evening perhaps this is a question

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directed to Dr Ken and Dr SC um I I like

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the observation that uh Dr Ken mentioned

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about going beyond what is a comfortable

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risk um I just like to get your thoughts

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on perhaps geopolitical risk around the

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region in terms of you know um if there

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were blocks available let's say in

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Vietnam or

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whatsoever in terms of your risk

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assessment to take on those blocks um

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how does geopolitical risk actually take

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you account Vietnam is just an example

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but when you guys look at blocks that

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are you know existing Brownfield maybe

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not so prolific uh World geopolitical

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tensions actually play a vital role in

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deciding and determining whether there's

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a good price

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not um yeah it always does uh two things

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actually one geopol geopolitical risk

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and the other is uh legal regulatory

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risk you know how stable is the legal

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the legal framework in the country in

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case something goes wrong uh is there a

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decent court system in the country first

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at at that level we look at it and then

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obviously on a regional level we do look

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at you know a few things we look at uh

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we look

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at I would say apart from the regulatory

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list we're looking at Regional

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geopolitical race like all the stuff

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that you talk about we don't want to

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ever get into position where we have to

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call Force measure on something we don't

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want we want to try and avoid that so

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all of that we we also look at you know

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long-term U I would say decommissioning

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uh rules because if we go in for

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something that is going to be 10 years

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down the road we got to clean it up we

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got to also look at you know what are

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the risks associated with that what are

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the what are the expectations of the

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government when you come to clean up and

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all of it uh what levels of of De

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commissioning do they want so we we look

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there are several factors that kind of

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govern you know our decision to invest

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in a particular area uh and and the

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final one I would say is this which is a

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consideration what happens if it all

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goes wrong so we we we look at it and

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say what happens it all goes wrong and

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you have to write it off would the

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company be able to still survive on the

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the other assets from you know the other

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assets that we have so we we look at it

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from that perspective okay so I I would

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say there there are several several

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layers that we look at it but you know

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if if we had to write off an asset

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because of of some geopolitical thing

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that comes up there or whatever would

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the company be able to to to kind of

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still stand on its feet so these are the

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the these are how these are the some of

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the factors that kind of you know we

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think about when we are going into a a

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particular asset so sometimes you have

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very attractive opportunities but

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yeah they just don't fit you know into

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those into that framework us for one

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reason or the other just in our

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commitment with transparency going

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forward we'll be releasing the F webcast

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I the recording of This briefing on our

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website the day after the briefing so

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for this quarter that will be tomorrow I

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decided to keep this under wraps until

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after the briefing just in case some of

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you are tempted to sleep away early for

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Chinese year dinner and catch up on the

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recording later but thank you once again

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for being here if you have any questions

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feel free to reach out to us of PR and

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take care and stay safe bye-bye

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