Would Boeing Murder a Whistleblower?

Breaking Points
14 Apr 202416:27

Summary

TLDRThe transcript discusses the suspicious death of John Barnett, a former Boeing employee and whistleblower, who was found dead in his car during the final day of depositions in his case against Boeing. Barnett was known for raising safety concerns about the 787 Dreamliner. The circumstances of his death have led to speculation about foul play, especially given Boeing's history and the timing. The conversation also touches on Boeing's corporate culture, legal issues, and the potential need for significant management changes to address the company's quality control and ethical challenges.

Takeaways

  • 🚨 John Barnett, a former Boeing employee and whistleblower regarding safety issues in the production of the 787 Dreamliner, was found dead in his car on March 9th, 2024.
  • 💭 The death was reported by mainstream media as an apparent suicide, but suspicions of foul play exist due to the timing and circumstances surrounding his death.
  • 🗣 Barnett had previously expressed concerns about his safety and warned a family friend not to accept any official narrative of his death as a suicide.
  • 🔍 The Charleston Police Department is investigating the case, but no federal agencies have been involved as of the time of the interview.
  • 🤝 John Barnett's former colleagues and a former Boeing executive discussed the case, with some expressing fear and the belief that Boeing might have been involved in his death.
  • 🔫 Barnett was found with a gunshot wound and a silver pistol, the ownership of which has not been confirmed. An object resembling a note was also found in the car.
  • 📉 Boeing's morale is reported to be very low, with long-time employees feeling a sense of betrayal and disappointment due to the company's recent actions and focus on stock price.
  • 🛫 Despite the 737 Max crashes in 2018 and 2019, which resulted in 346 deaths, Boeing managed to avoid significant legal repercussions through a deferred prosecution agreement.
  • 💼 The agreement was criticized for being too lenient on Boeing and for its similarities to the non-prosecution agreement given to Jeffrey Epstein in 2007.
  • 🌐 The interviewee suggests that Boeing needs a management overhaul and questions whether the company can truly course correct with stock performance driving executive compensation.
  • 🔄 The discussion highlights the broader issue of corporate ethics, the role of financialization in industry, and the potential need for a shift in values and priorities within Boeing.

Q & A

  • Who was John Mitchell Barnett and why was he notable?

    -John Mitchell Barnett was a former Boeing employee turned whistleblower. He was known for his substantial safety and quality reports to the Federal Aviation Administration concerning Boeing's production of the 787 Dreamliner. He also appeared in the 2022 Netflix documentary 'Downfall: The Case Against Boeing'.

  • When and how did John Barnett die?

    -John Barnett died on March 9th, 2024. He was found dead in his car in the parking lot of his hotel in Charleston, South Carolina, on the final day of depositions in his whistleblower case against Boeing. His death was reported as an apparent suicide, with him found with a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

  • What suspicions arose from the timing of John Barnett's death?

    -The timing of John Barnett's death sparked suspicions of foul play, as it occurred on the final day of depositions in his whistleblower case against Boeing. Furthermore, Barnett had previously cautioned a family friend not to accept any official narratives about his death as a suicide.

  • What was the reaction of John Barnett's former colleagues and a former Boeing executive to his death?

    -John Barnett's former colleagues and a former Boeing executive were open to the notion that Boeing might have been involved in his death. One of his former co-workers, who wished to remain anonymous, expressed fear and stated that if anything happened to them, it wouldn't be suicide.

  • What was the context of the discussion with the criminal profiler from the FBI?

    -The criminal profiler from the FBI, who had worked on the Unibomber case, discussed the potential assassination of John Barnett. He suggested that the manner of Barnett's death could be seen as a warning sign, not necessarily to prevent him from testifying, but to deter others who might consider blowing the whistle in the future.

  • What was the outcome of the 737 Max crashes in 2018 and 2019?

    -The 737 Max crashes in 2018 and 2019 resulted in the deaths of 346 people (189 in the first crash and 157 in the second). After the first crash, it was clear to everyone at Boeing that another crash was imminent, yet they did not ground the plane. Instead, they authorized $20 billion in additional share buybacks and introduced a program to effectively eliminate quality control.

  • What was the deferred prosecution agreement signed by Boeing on January 6, 2021?

    -The deferred prosecution agreement signed by Boeing on January 6, 2021, was an agreement with the Justice Department not to prosecute the company. The DOJ stated that the problems found within Boeing were not systemic and involved very few people, which was later criticized as a sweetheart deal similar to the one Jeffrey Epstein received in 2007.

  • What changes occurred within Boeing's leadership after the 737 Max crashes?

    -After the 737 Max crashes, there was a leadership reshuffle at Boeing. Dave Calhoun, who was stepping down along with other executives at the end of the year, had a robust exit package tied to the company's stock price in the coming years.

  • What is the opinion of the investigations editor at the American Prospect on Boeing's future?

    -The investigations editor at the American Prospect believes that Boeing needs an extreme management overhaul and that the stock price should not be the primary driver of executive compensation. They suggest that Boeing needs a leader who believes in building companies and quality, as it has become clear that Boeing has lost the ability to competently build an airplane.

  • What was the role of Kirkland and Ellis law firm in the deferred prosecution agreement for Boeing?

    -Kirkland and Ellis law firm played a significant role in drafting the deferred prosecution agreement for Boeing. The firm's senior partners were involved, and the agreement was structured similarly to the one for Jeffrey Epstein in 2007, both requiring lies and indemnifying conspirators.

  • What is the broader context of Boeing being a top secret military contractor?

    -As a top secret military contractor, Boeing is reminded that spies are everywhere, and there is a principle in US law that there are no accidental deaths during the commission of a felony. This means that Boeing's actions are closely watched when it comes to significant safety issues and potential criminal activity.

Outlines

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🚨 Whistleblower's Death Raises Questions: Boeing's Involvement

The untimely death of John Mitchell Barnett, a former Boeing employee and whistleblower, has sparked controversy and suspicion. Barnett was known for reporting safety and quality issues concerning the production of Boeing's 787 Dreamliner to the Federal Aviation Administration. His death, reported as a probable suicide, occurred on the last day of depositions in his whistleblower case against Boeing. The circumstances surrounding his death, including his previous warnings to a family friend not to accept any narrative of suicide, have led to questions about potential foul play. Barnett's death has resonated with former colleagues and Boeing employees, some of whom fear that the company may be involved. The investigation is ongoing, and the final determination of the cause of death is yet to be confirmed.

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🕵️‍♂️ Investigation and Speculation: Probing the 'Suicide' Theory

The investigation into John Barnett's death is ongoing, with the Charleston Police Department handling the case so far without the involvement of federal agencies. The circumstances of his death, including the discovery of his body in his car with an apparent self-inflicted gunshot wound and a note, suggest suicide. However, details such as the nature of the note and the wound have not been released. The conversation includes insights from a medical examiner and a criminal profiler, who suggest that if Barnett's death was an assassination, it was carried out professionally. There is also discussion about the potential motive, with theories that the death may serve as a warning to other potential whistleblowers. The interviewee shares an anonymous quote from a former Boeing executive, hinting at the company's status as a top-secret military contractor and the principle that there's no such thing as an accidental death during a felony.

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🛫 Legal Maneuvering and the 'Sweetheart Deal': Boeing's Past

Boeing's history of legal issues and the handling of the 737 Max crashes are discussed, highlighting the company's ability to avoid severe consequences. The two 737 Max crashes in 2018 and 2019 resulted in the deaths of 346 people. Despite knowing about the issues after the first crash, Boeing did not ground the plane, leading to the second crash. Instead, they authorized share buybacks and eliminated quality control measures. The discussion also touches on the deferred prosecution agreement signed by Boeing in 2021, which allowed the company to avoid prosecution, claiming the problems were not systemic. The agreement is compared to the non-prosecution deal given to Jeffrey Epstein in 2007, with both involving senior partners at the law firm Kirkland and Ellis. The interviewee suggests that Boeing needs a management overhaul and questions whether the company can course-correct with stock performance driving executive compensation.

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🌐 The Future of Boeing: Leadership, Stock Performance, and Quality Control

The conversation concludes with a discussion on Boeing's future, the leadership changes, and the potential impact on the company's direction. The upcoming departure of Dave Calhoun and other executives, along with their exit packages tied to the company's stock performance, raises concerns about the company's priorities. The interviewee suggests that Boeing needs a significant management overhaul and questions whether the company can truly change course when stock performance is the primary driver of executive compensation. The discussion also touches on the potential hiring of Larry Culp, the current CEO of GE, as a possible solution to Boeing's problems. The interviewee emphasizes the existential problem Boeing faces in its ability to competently build airplanes and suggests that this issue is not reflected in the stock price.

Mindmap

Keywords

💡Boeing

Boeing is a major American aerospace manufacturer that has been involved in several controversies, including the production issues of the 787 Dreamliner and the 737 Max crashes. In the video, the company is under scrutiny for the death of a whistleblower, John Barnett, and the subsequent investigation into his death, which has raised suspicions of foul play.

💡Whistleblower

A whistleblower is a person who exposes illegal, unethical, or fraudulent activities, often within an organization. In this context, John Barnett is the whistleblower who reported safety and quality issues at Boeing, and his death has sparked conspiracy theories and investigations into possible foul play.

💡Federal Aviation Administration (FAA)

The FAA is a U.S. government agency responsible for regulating civil aviation. In the video, the FAA is mentioned as the entity to which John Barnett reported safety concerns about Boeing's aircraft production. The agency plays a crucial role in ensuring the safety of air travel and certifying the airworthiness of new aircraft.

💡Suicide

Suicide is the act of intentionally causing one's own death. In the context of the video, the reported suicide of John Barnett is under question, with some speculating that it may have been staged to cover up a murder, especially given his role as a whistleblower and his impending testimony against Boeing.

💡Investigation

An investigation is a systematic process of gathering and analyzing information to uncover facts or evidence related to a particular issue or event. In the video, the investigation into John Barnett's death is ongoing, with law enforcement looking into the possibility of foul play and the circumstances that led to his death.

💡Corporate Crime

Corporate crime refers to illegal activities committed by a corporation, or by individuals acting on behalf of a corporation. In the video, the discussion of Boeing's actions, including the production issues with the 737 Max and the subsequent crashes, suggests that the company may have engaged in corporate crime by ignoring safety concerns and prioritizing profits over people's lives.

💡Deferred Prosecution Agreement (DPA)

A Deferred Prosecution Agreement is a legal arrangement between a government prosecutor and a corporation or individual accused of a crime, where the prosecution is deferred or suspended for a specified period, usually contingent on the fulfillment of certain conditions. In the video, Boeing signed a DPA with the Justice Department, which has been criticized for being too lenient on the company.

💡Stock Price

The stock price is the market value of a single share of a company's stock. It is influenced by various factors, including the company's financial health, market conditions, and investor sentiment. In the video, the concern is raised that Boeing's focus on stock price and executive compensation may be hindering the company's ability to address its underlying issues and prioritize safety.

💡Corporate Culture

Corporate culture refers to the values, beliefs, and behaviors that determine the way a company operates and interacts with its employees, customers, and other stakeholders. In the video, the discussion of Boeing's corporate culture highlights the potential negative impact of prioritizing financial performance over safety and quality, leading to a decline in morale and ethical standards.

💡Assassination

Assassination is the act of deliberately killing a public figure or a person of importance, often for political or ideological reasons. In the video, the term is used in the context of discussing theories and suspicions around John Barnett's death, with the implication that his death could have been an act of assassination to silence a whistleblower.

Highlights

John Barnett, a former Boeing employee and whistleblower, was found dead in his car in a hotel parking lot.

Barnett was known for raising safety and quality concerns about Boeing's 787 Dreamliner production to the Federal Aviation Administration.

His death was reported on March 9th, 2024, and was initially considered a suicide by mainstream media.

Barnett had previously warned a family friend not to accept any official narrative of his death as a suicide.

Investigations editor at the American Prospect, Mo Pic, has reported on Boeing and shares insights into the case.

Barnett was in Charleston, South Carolina, to give a deposition in his whistleblower case against Boeing.

The suspicious timing of his death, on the final day of depositions, has raised questions about foul play.

Barnett had been considering writing a book and starting a podcast, indicating he had no motive for suicide.

The Charleston Police Department is investigating the case, but no federal agencies are involved as of yet.

There is a history of mistrust and morale issues within Boeing, with some employees fearing for their safety.

Boeing's handling of the 737 Max crashes and subsequent cover-ups has been criticized.

Boeing signed a deferred prosecution agreement with the Justice Department, avoiding prosecution for their actions.

The agreement was criticized as being too lenient and similar to the non-prosecution agreement given to Jeffrey Epstein in 2007.

Questions are raised about Boeing's ability to course correct with a leadership reshuffle and focus on stock performance.

The need for a management overhaul at Boeing is emphasized to address quality and safety issues.

Boeing's future is uncertain, with concerns about the company's ability to competently build airplanes.

The interviewee suggests that Boeing needs a leader who values quality and growth over financialization.

The interviewee's work on Boeing and other topics can be found on the American Prospect website.

Transcripts

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would Boeing murder a whistleblower my

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name is James Lee and you're watching

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Beyond the headlines on breaking

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points this morning police in Charleston

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South Carolina tell NBC news they are

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aware of the death of a former Boeing

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Employee turned whistleblower John

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Mitchell Barnett a notable whistleblower

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known for his substantial safety and

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quality reports to the Federal Aviation

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Administration concerning Boeing's

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production of the 787 Dreamliner who

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also appeared in the 2022 Netflix

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documentary downfall the case against

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Boeing tragically passed away on March

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9th

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2024 the mainstream media have mostly

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reported his death as an apparent

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suicide Barnett was found dead in his

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car in the parking lot of his hotel on

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the final day of depositions in his

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whistleblower case against Boeing the

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Curious timing of his death have sparked

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some suspicions of Foul Play play and

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adding to that mystery reports also

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indicate that he had previously

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cautioned a family friend not to accept

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any official narratives about his death

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as a suicide he wasn't concerned about

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safety because I asked him I said aren't

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you scared and he said and his voice and

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his the way he would talk no I ain't

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scared um he said but if anything

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happens to me it's not

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suicide joining us today is Mo pic she

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is the investigations editor at the

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American Prospect who has done some

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fantastic reporting on Boeing thank you

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for being here thanks for having me I

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really appreciate it all right we're not

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going to bury the lead today did Boeing

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put out a a hit on whistleblower John

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Barnett obviously everything is still

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under investigation but I know in your

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recent article you mentioned talking to

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a few of his old colleagues also a

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former Boeing executive what are their

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thoughts also at this point what do we

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know for sure

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well um what we know for sure is that

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John Barnett was found dead in the in

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his dad Ram in the parking lot of a

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hotel where he was staying in Charleston

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South Carolina to give a deposition that

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had lasted um was it was a three-day

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deposition he was on the third day and

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he was found dead in his car from a an

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apparently self-inflicted gunshot wound

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he was holding um a silver

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pistol my sense is that the pistol did

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belong to him but that that hasn't been

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confirmed um one way or the other and

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there was something that was uh in the

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driver's seat that looked like something

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like a note um again that the details on

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that have not really released yet you

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know so so my first impression was that

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oh this you know this guy must have

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killed himself right I mean it it kind

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of doesn't you know it really like I I'm

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always open to the idea that you know um

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you know Val play might be there I

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started to change my mind when um I

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think a lot of uh a lot of workers

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former Bo Boeing um workers in both the

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factories and in the Executive offices

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were completely open to the notion that

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Boeing might have done it I spoke to uh

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one of his former co-workers in

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particular who was very terrified this

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person did not want to be identified and

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want you know anything that they told me

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to be you know to make them identifiable

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but this person told me that and this

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person had you know blown the whistle at

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this same Bo Factory and dealt with a

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lot of Fallout as a result of that and

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this person told me straight up if I die

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you know please like I'm there's no way

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I would ever commit suicide like even if

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it is a car accident like please like

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get it investigated I mean that was just

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not what I expected I didn't I did not

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expect anybody who worked at Boeing to

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think that Boeing would do this it there

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there is incredibly bad morale within

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that company everybody who cared about

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the company for decades um sometimes a

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half century you know the people who

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have um you know I've I've written about

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Boeing for about five years on and off

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and um most of my sources you know

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worked there for at least 30 years they

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it was um very close to their heart and

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that's why you know when you hear when

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you talk to the old B heads they always

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bring up the McDonald Douglas murder you

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know this is 26 years ago but it feels

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like yesterday to a lot of these folks

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because that is when everything changed

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and learning more about John Barnett he

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was at this point in his um in his case

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where the home stretch was in sight he

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was really excited he was thinking about

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writing a book he was thinking about

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trying to you know do some sort of a

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podcast he was thinking about you know

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finally enjoying his retirement for once

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he was ated to likely you know receive a

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fair bit of money because he'd been kind

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of pushed out of the company early he

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had no real motive to to kill himself

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especially on day three of a three-day

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deposition on the other hand of course

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um again they did a very good job anyone

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who's seen the octopus murders you know

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if if somebody um assassinated him they

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weren't sloppy about it you know they

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they really did a very good job at

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making it look like um a potential

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suicide of course you know there's a lot

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that we don't know we don't know what

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that note looks like that's extremely

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important evidence we don't know what

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the you know what the wound looks like

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all of that is has yet to come out yeah

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do we have a I'm wondering if we have a

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a timeline for the investigation so you

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said it was the Charleston Police

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Department that's involved is it just

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them or their federal agencies um

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getting in on the action no federal

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agencies um as of yet I you know again

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the the law enforcement has has been you

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know repeatedly said it's still under

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investigation and and everybody who

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knows anything like his his family and

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his lawyer they've been pretty tight

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lipped because they don't want to

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antagonize the thing that I you know

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that is a little bit troubling I spoke

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with I'm a medical examiner in in

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jackonville and he said you know like in

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suicide and in one thing about suspected

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suicides is that generally the um in in

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a lot of you know bigger uh areas these

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days they don't have medical examiners

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doing those autopsies those autopsies

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are often times performed by coroner

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assistants and I SP I spoke to some um a

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a criminal profiler from um you know who

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who had been with the FBI for a long

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time worked on the um unibomber case and

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this guy Jim fitzgeralds told me that it

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seemed like it was the type of um the

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type of thing that you know if you were

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going to look at it as as a potential

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assassination the whole aspect you know

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that the whole Saga um made him think

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that it was like a warning sign that it

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wasn't necessarily um that they were

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trying to prevent him from testifying

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since he had already given two days of

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depositions but that they were trying to

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uh send out a warning to anybody else

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who might think about you know

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potentially blowing the whistle

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themselves yeah I wanted to ask you

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about um there's one interesting quote

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that I read in your article um I believe

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it was an anonymous quote from a former

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Boeing executive and you wrote or he he

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said that it's a top secret military

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contractor remember there are spies

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everywhere and more importantly there is

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a principle in American law that there's

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no such thing as an accidental death

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during the commission of a felony I was

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wondering if you could ex expand on that

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what did he mean by this so here's the

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thing and this is the the broader

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context here Boeing has been

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extraordinary lucky up till now you know

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3

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346 people passenger and crew died on

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737 Max crashes in 2018 and 2019 four

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and a half months apart almost identical

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crashes and after the first um 189 died

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on a li air accident they knew that

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there was something wrong everybody in

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Boeing knew that this was going to

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happen again it was just a matter of

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when not if they did not they should

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have obviously grounded the plane after

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the first 189

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passengers and and crew died that is

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obvious they did not do that instead of

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doing that they authorized 20 billion

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dollar in additional share BuyBacks and

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introduced a a a um program to eliminate

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quality control essentially so when they

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talk about the commission of a felony

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they're talking about that the murder of

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those 157 additional

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passengers and this is a felony that

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required a lot of you know a a pretty

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vast conspiracy iracy to actually get

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away with because Boeing was under

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criminal investigation after the first

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mcast crash in 2018 the criminal

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investigation widened understandably

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after the second crash it widened to

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include the 787 Factory it widen to

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include um an investigation that

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involved in you know extensive

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interviews of John Barnett and

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then it narrowed then sometime in in

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2020 the prosecutors that were handling

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the case against Boeing got changed and

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the um the case got transferred to Texas

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from the New York fraud department and

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Boeing ended up on um January 6

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2021

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um understandably this never made any

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headlines but on January 6 2021 Boeing

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signed what is known as a deferred

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prosecution agreement and the justice

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department essentially agreed to not

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prosecute Boeing because as it said you

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know the the problems that they found in

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the company were not systemic and they

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involved very few people so while Boeing

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got away with it you know with this this

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real I mean you can't even call it a

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slap on the wrist it's it's like a a

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wrist massage yeah I think you compared

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that yeah I think you compared that to

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uh in one of your articles as like

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similar to the sweetheart deal that

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Jeffrey abene got in 2007 so I'm

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wondering how how is Boeing able to

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secure such a deal from the doj well

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it's it's not simply similar it involves

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a lot of the same people it involves you

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know very senior Partners at the mega

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Law Firm Kirkland and Ellis crucially

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Boeing's Chief criminal defense attorney

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in this case was the deputy um attorney

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general under I believe it was Mesi

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during the bishop Administration who is

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the highest known official to sign off

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on Jeffrey Epstein's 2007 non

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prosecution agreement it both of those

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agreements were very similar in that

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they required lies right you know that

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the the the government actually lies and

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it's the ver prosecution agreement on

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Boeing saying that you know there were

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no systemic problems everything that we

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found you know this is this is a solidly

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ethical company nothing happened this is

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just provably false and similarly with

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Epstein you know it the I forget what

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the exact phrasing was but that

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agreement um actually indemnified all of

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his conspirators even though who were

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not even named both agreements drafted

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by senior Partners at Kirkland and Ellis

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and put together by a lot of there's a

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lot of cross-pollination in those two

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agreements in fact the meric Garland's

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doj made the case that they aren't

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actually victims the the the poor people

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who died on Ethiopia um 301 they were

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not actually the victims of the crime

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the only victim of Boeing's crime um is

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the FAA yeah yeah it's a lot of

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disturbing details coming out right now

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um but before we wrap I just I wanted to

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ask or I wanted to talk about Boeing's

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future for a minute because I think it's

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important that maybe it's in America's

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best interest to have a competent

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commercial airline manufacturer and we

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did see some leadership reshuffle after

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the max crashes you were talking about

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in 2018

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2019 and now we're also seeing another

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leadership reshuffle with Dave Calhoun

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he's stepping down along with some other

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Executives at the end of the year with

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some pretty robust exit packages and

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then it all depends on it's like tied to

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the company's stock price in the coming

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years so my question is can Boeing

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actually course correct here if stock

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performance is still the number one

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incentive that's driving executive

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compensation I I don't really understand

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the stock I I you know I I would say no

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I would say that Boeing that that the

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stock

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price there needs to be some sort of

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extreme management overhaul when they

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did a point I mean it it was very

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obvious Calhoun was like it was like

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when Tim gner was nominated for treasury

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secretary pretty much everyone who knew

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who Tim gner was was like oh

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God this is nothing's gonna happen no

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one's gonna get in trouble City

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everybody is just gonna get away with it

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and that's what happened and David

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Calhoun is a similar figure he was the

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lead you know director of the board he

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was the biggest I mean he's a guy who

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worked at GE in Blackstone he doesn't

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actually show up to the office ever he

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changed where the office was he you know

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uses the perch to fly his plane around I

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mean it's completely worthless piece of

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you know I say that without knowing

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it but the latest trendy thing to say

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about Boeing is that what they really

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need is um Larry Culp the current CEO of

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GE a sort of an irony because Boeing's

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um uh three out of their last four CEOs

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whove come from GE um have been proteges

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of Jack Welch and they've absolutely

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the you know Boeing just the same

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way that Jack Welch ultimately GE

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by completely financializing it and

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refusing to Grapple with the fact that

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building something that involves four

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million Parts is not the same thing as

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you know like manufacturing light bulbs

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or Post-it notes which is what you know

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mcnarney used to do so I think that

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there is a real effort within the sort

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of you know davo set to say hey you know

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actually the market can take care of

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this and if they just hire the right guy

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the right MBA this guy Larry Culp who

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maybe isn't as much of a sociopath who

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believe in building companies and

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putting them on the the the road to

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growth and who believe in quality

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because it it has been such a you know

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total it's very clear to like everyone

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in aviation now that Boeing actually

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can't build a plane that they have lost

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the ability to competently build an airp

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plane and that is like an existential

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problem and it's not reflected in the

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stock price I think a lot of that stuff

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is you know a the product of algorithms

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and and and you know the com this sort

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of conspiracy of algorithms and fraud

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yeah as a as an MBA myself I can confirm

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a lot of sociopathic behavior that I see

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um and they don't know they don't think

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it's it's that way but um it is from

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outside looking and it definitely is um

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anyways um this is obviously developing

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story so hope to have you back on really

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quick anywhere you want to point the

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audience to if you uh if they want to

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find or if you want them to find more of

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your work if you look at prospect.org

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and and search for Boeing I think you'll

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find a lot of my stories I also write a

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lot about healthc care and um you know

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all kinds of things so um anything that

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involves the intersection of organized

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crime and and finance um

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I like to sniff around those cases

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