Horizontal vs Vertical Accounts : Which Offers Better Investment Value in Honkai Star Rail

Summary

Este video explora dos estilos de inversión en juegos de gacha: vertical e horizontal. El estilo vertical enfatiza la acumulación de copias de personajes fuertes, mientras que el horizontal promueve la diversificación. Se discuten estrategias para jugadores a largo plazo y para aquellos que buscan completar todo rápidamente. El video también aborda la importancia de equilibrar ambos enfoques para un crecimiento sostenible en juegos de gacha, como Honkai Star Rail, y proporciona consejos para construir equipos y seleccionar personajes que perduren en el tiempo.

Takeaways

• 😀 Hay dos estilos de inversión discutidos en las comunidades de gacha: vertical e horizontal.
• 🔍 El estilo de inversión vertical enfatiza en obtener múltiples copias de personajes fuertes y centrarse en ellos.
• 🌐 El estilo de inversión horizontal promueve adquirir la mayor cantidad de personajes posible para aprovechar las rotaciones de banners.
• 🕒 Los jugadores a largo plazo que no buscan un claro completo se benefician más del estilo horizontal de inversión.
• 🏆 Los jugadores a corto plazo que buscan un claro completo rápidamente se benefician del estilo vertical de inversión.
• 💡 La inversión vertical puede ser estresante cuando los personajes fuertes dejan de ser relevantes y se requiere una re inversión.
• 🎯 La inversión horizontal suele ser más estable a largo plazo, aunque puede requerir más recursos distribuidos.
• 🤔 No hay un enfoque de inversión perfecto; la mayoría de los jugadores se ubican en un punto intermedio entre los dos estilos extremos.
• 🛠️ Se recomienda un enfoque equilibrado que combine elementos de ambos estilos, invirtiendo en personajes fuertes y construyendo sinergias de equipo.
• 👥 Es importante construir equipos en lugar de centrarse en personajes individuales para maximizar la inversión en el juego.
• 🌟 Los personajes que se pueden usar en múltiples equipos y que tienen un rendimiento destacado en su rol son ideales para una inversión a largo plazo.

Q & A

¿Qué son los estilos de inversión vertical y horizontal en juegos de gacha?

El estilo de inversión vertical implica concentrarse en pocos personajes fuertes y obtener múltiples copias de ellos. El estilo horizontal, por otro lado, promueve tener más personajes para aprovechar las giratorias y eventos futuros.

¿Cuál es la ventaja de invertir verticalmente en personajes en juegos de gacha?

La inversión vertical permite construir equipos alrededor de unidades muy potentes, lo que puede resultar en un juego más competitivo y rápido de dominar.

¿Por qué la inversión horizontal puede ser beneficiosa a largo plazo en juegos de gacha?

La inversión horizontal te permite tener una variedad más amplia de personajes, lo que te ayuda a adaptarte a los cambios en los meta y a los nuevos desafíos que surjan.

¿Cómo se definen los jugadores a corto y largo plazo en el contexto del juego?

Los jugadores a corto plazo son aquellos que probablemente dejen el juego en un futuro cercano, mientras que los a largo plazo son aquellos que juegan durante años.

¿Qué sugiere el video para los jugadores que no buscan un 'full clear' y juegan a largo plazo?

Para estos jugadores, el video sugiere que la inversión horizontal sea probablemente la mejor opción, ya que les permite disfrutar de una experiencia más variada en el juego.

¿Qué tipo de inversión es adecuada para jugadores competitivos a corto plazo?

Los jugadores competitivos a corto plazo se beneficiarían más de la inversión vertical, centrando sus recursos en pocos personajes para lograr un 'full clear' rápidamente.

¿Cuál es el problema que enfrentan los jugadores que buscan un 'full clear' consistentemente a largo plazo?

Los jugadores que buscan un 'full clear' consistentemente a largo plazo enfrentan el desafío de que, si son jugadores que pagan poco o son jugadores gratuitos, es probable que necesiten invertir una gran cantidad de dinero o tener mucha suerte para mantener el ritmo.

¿Cómo se puede encontrar un equilibrio entre la inversión vertical y horizontal para un juego de gacha saludable a largo plazo?

Para un juego de gacha saludable a largo plazo, se sugiere una combinación de ambas estrategias: invertir en personajes fuertes y duraderos verticalmente, y también mantener una variedad de personajes para abordar diferentes desafíos.

¿Qué es la 're inversión' y cómo afecta a los jugadores que invierten verticalmente?

La 're inversión' se refiere a la necesidad de invertir en nuevos personajes o mejorar a los ya existentes para mantener la competitividad. Esto puede ser un punto de estrés para los jugadores que invierten verticalmente, especialmente si su inversión previa deja de ser relevante.

¿Por qué es importante construir equipos y no solo enfocarse en personajes individuales en juegos de gacha?

Construir equipos en lugar de solo enfocarse en personajes individuales ayuda a crear sinergias y a adaptarse a los cambios en los meta del juego, lo que a su vez aumenta la durabilidad y el valor de la inversión en la cuenta.

¿Cuál es la relación entre los ocho tipos de equipos y cómo elegir personajes para la inversión?

Los ocho tipos de equipos están relacionados con los buffs y los ciclos de memoria del juego. Al elegir personajes que puedan adaptarse a varios de estos equipos, se maximiza la inversión y se mejora la versatilidad de la cuenta.

Outlines

00:00

🎮 Estilo de inversión vertical vs horizontal en juegos de gacha

El vídeo comienza explicando dos estilos de inversión en juegos de gacha: vertical e horizontal. El estilo vertical implica concentrarse en obtener múltiples copias de personajes fuertes y sus habilidades especiales, mientras que el estilo horizontal promueve la adquisición de una amplia variedad de personajes para aprovechar las rotaciones de los banners y eventos. El vídeo es aplicable a todos los jugadores, pero se ilustra con ejemplos extremos para enfatizar la diferencia entre ambos estilos. Se menciona que los jugadores de alto nivel también pueden adoptar estos estilos, pero suelen ser menos extremos.

05:01

🕹 Categorías de jugadores en juegos de gacha

Se dividen a los jugadores en cuatro categorías: a corto y largo plazo, y competitivos o no competitivos. Se discute cómo cada tipo de jugador puede beneficiarse de un enfoque de inversión vertical o horizontal. Por ejemplo, los jugadores a corto plazo que buscan una victoria rápida en el juego se beneficiarán más de un enfoque vertical, mientras que los jugadores a largo plazo que buscan experimentar diferentes estilos de juego y participar en la comunidad se beneficiarán más del enfoque horizontal. Se enfatiza que la mayoría de los jugadores suele estar en un punto medio entre estos estilos extremos.

10:02

🌟 Encontrando un equilibrio entre estilos de inversión

El vídeo sugiere que la mejor estrategia para un crecimiento a largo plazo en juegos de gacha es encontrar un equilibrio entre los estilos de inversión vertical y horizontal. Esto implica seleccionar personajes que sean fuertes y que puedan durar mucho tiempo, invertir en ellos verticalmente, y al mismo tiempo construir equipos que tengan sinergias entre sí. Se enfatiza la importancia de construir equipos en lugar de centrarse en personajes individuales, y se mencionan personajes que pueden ser utilizados en múltiples equipos como ejemplos de buenas inversiones. El vídeo también recomienda buscar personajes que sean excepcionalmente fuertes en su categoría y que puedan ser utilizados en múltiples equipos.

Keywords

💡Inversión vertical

La inversión vertical en el contexto de los juegos gacha se refiere a concentrar recursos en unos pocos personajes poderosos, obteniendo múltiples copias de ellos y sus objetos exclusivos. Este estilo es ideal para jugadores que buscan completar el contenido del juego con la mayor eficiencia posible. Un ejemplo mencionado en el video es el de enfocarse en un personaje fuerte como Zilla, invirtiendo fuertemente en él para maximizar su potencial.

💡Inversión horizontal

La inversión horizontal implica repartir recursos entre muchos personajes diferentes, en lugar de enfocarse en maximizar unos pocos. Esta estrategia es mejor para los jugadores a largo plazo, ya que les permite adaptarse a las rotaciones de personajes y metas cambiantes en el juego. El video menciona que esta estrategia permite a los jugadores experimentar con más estilos de juego, aunque puede significar un menor rendimiento en el corto plazo.

💡E6 (Éter 6)

E6 es un término que se refiere a un personaje con todas sus constelaciones o duplicados activados, lo que maximiza su poder en los juegos gacha. Este nivel de inversión es típico de los jugadores que siguen una estrategia de inversión vertical. En el video, se usa como ejemplo de la cantidad extrema de recursos que algunos jugadores invierten para potenciar al máximo a sus personajes favoritos.

💡Jugadores a largo plazo

Los jugadores a largo plazo son aquellos que se mantienen en un juego durante varios años y buscan disfrutar de todo el contenido disponible de manera constante. En el video, se menciona que estos jugadores suelen beneficiarse más de una inversión horizontal, ya que pueden aprovechar el acceso a una variedad de personajes y estilos de juego con el tiempo.

💡Jugadores a corto plazo

Los jugadores a corto plazo son aquellos que tienden a dejar un juego después de algunos meses o cuando encuentran algo nuevo que les interesa. Según el video, estos jugadores a menudo prefieren una inversión vertical, maximizando rápidamente un pequeño grupo de personajes fuertes para completar el contenido de manera eficiente antes de perder interés en el juego.

💡Clear total

El término 'clear total' se refiere a la capacidad de un jugador para completar todos los desafíos de un juego, como niveles o eventos, con la mayor eficacia posible. En el video, los jugadores competitivos que buscan hacer un clear total a menudo siguen la estrategia de inversión vertical para asegurarse de que tienen personajes lo suficientemente fuertes para superar todos los desafíos sin dificultad.

💡Ciclo de reinversión

El ciclo de reinversión es un concepto donde los jugadores que han invertido de manera vertical en un personaje eventualmente se ven obligados a reinvertir en nuevos personajes cuando los antiguos se vuelven menos relevantes en la meta. El video menciona que esto puede generar frustración en los jugadores que estaban acostumbrados a rendir al máximo con sus personajes y de repente enfrentan la necesidad de adaptarse o gastar más recursos.

💡Meta

La meta se refiere al conjunto de personajes o estrategias que son más efectivos en el juego en un momento dado. Esta puede cambiar con el tiempo a medida que se introducen nuevos personajes o se modifican las mecánicas del juego. El video menciona cómo los jugadores que siguen una estrategia de inversión vertical pueden experimentar dificultades cuando el personaje en el que invirtieron fuertemente ya no es dominante en la meta.

💡A largo plazo vs. clear total

El video presenta una discusión sobre la tensión entre los jugadores que buscan jugar a largo plazo y aquellos que buscan un clear total. Los jugadores a largo plazo disfrutan de un enfoque más relajado y prefieren la diversidad de personajes, mientras que los jugadores de clear total quieren optimizar su juego para superar rápidamente todo el contenido. Esta tensión refleja dos estilos de juego opuestos que afectan cómo los jugadores invierten sus recursos en juegos gacha.

💡Equipos

En el contexto de los juegos gacha, los equipos se refieren a la agrupación de personajes que el jugador forma para enfrentar desafíos. El video subraya la importancia de construir equipos en lugar de centrarse únicamente en personajes individuales, ya que un buen equipo puede ofrecer sinergias que maximizan el rendimiento general. La inversión en personajes versátiles que pueden funcionar en múltiples equipos es una estrategia recomendada.

Highlights

Introduction to vertical and horizontal investment styles in gacha games, particularly Honkai Star Rail.

Vertical investment focuses on strengthening a few strong characters by obtaining multiple copies and signature weapons.

Horizontal investment emphasizes collecting a wide variety of characters for more team-building flexibility over time.

Free-to-play players also engage in vertical and horizontal investment strategies, though not to the same extremes as pay-to-win players.

Short-term players looking for quick full clears tend to favor vertical investment, focusing on powerful characters to finish the game quickly.

Long-term players who don’t prioritize full clears are more likely to favor horizontal investment for diverse gameplay experiences.

Players often fall between extremes, balancing vertical and horizontal investment to suit their preferences and gameplay style.

Vertical investment can result in a drop in performance when meta changes or new characters are introduced, leading to frustration for those who can no longer maintain their competitive edge.

Horizontal investment players maintain consistency, even though they may not always achieve top-tier performance due to resource spreading.

Long-term full clear players often face financial challenges or rely on luck to maintain top performance due to gacha game business models.

The middle ground between vertical and horizontal investment involves selecting strong, versatile characters and building effective teams around them.

Building synergistic teams rather than focusing solely on individual characters is crucial for long-term success in gacha games like Honkai Star Rail.

Supporting characters that can be used in multiple team compositions offer long-lasting value in horizontal investment.

Outlier DPS characters, like Acron, can dominate certain meta stages, making vertical investment in such units a viable strategy for competitive players.

The video recommends combining both vertical and horizontal investment strategies to maximize long-term value and enjoyment in Honkai Star Rail.

Transcripts

hey guys it's me y gim here now let's

talk about two investment Styles that's

commonly debated in gacha communities

the vertical investment Style versus a

horizontal investment style which is the

Veta investment in honkai Star real now

first things first I just want to say

that even though it may seem very

extreme with all these pictures with so

many different characters E6 I'm just

putting here for illustration purposes

but freet topl players also do exhibit

and this video is applicable to any

player in the game whether you're will

or free to play P the pay the is just a

little bit more extreme and just want to

start off with that now what are the two

Styles vertical investment the school of

thought here is basically saying go for

good characters that are very strong get

as many copies as you can of them get

their signature like cone uh skip all

the other not so relevant ones into that

play style and build your teams around

these very powerful units horizontal

investment on the other hand believes

that the more characters that you have

is much better because the banners that

will be like rotating the new banners

all your of chaos and stuff like that

will always be beneficial for the banner

character so horizontal investment

theoretically is the best for long-term

longevity freeo play players might skip

a few banners here and there you might

have less extremes instead of E6 maybe

E2 uh if you skip enough banners but um

by and large these are the two different

types of investment Styles or the school

of thought of course it's not the only

two there's of course a create area but

we'll touch on that in a little bit

let's first go in with the four

categories of players in gacha games now

I split it up into long-term players

versus short-term players so on the top

here long-term short-term depends on

what kind of style you are if you're a

person that has phones you have games on

your phone that have been around for

like one two years you're more likely a

long-term player if you have been

playing those games at least like maybe

once a month once a week kind of thing

um then they are the competitive or The

Not So competitive players full clearers

and like you must get a full clear are

more competitive they on the right side

and those that don't really care too

much about full clearing are on the left

the first category is the easiest the

first quadrant you are a short-term

player you do not care you're probably

going to drop the game in two months if

you find something else that's like

novel and more interesting for you I

would say to these players just chill

out there's not much stress uh in terms

of knowing all the categories it's fun

to know when one day you actually do

find a gacha game that you really like

these theories and Concepts can also be

transferred over and I hope that you

find this video helpful for you as well

otherwise most people I would say like

99% of the people watching this video

you likely will fall into one of these

three categories or a mix of them at

times now the mix of them is the key

part here but let's first things first

talk about long-term players players who

play for a long time and don't really

care about a full clear my

recommendation for this extreme group of

people of course not everyone is going

to fit into one of these buckets

sometime you move around but long-term

players and you don't care about food

clear not competitive horizontal

investment likely is going to be better

for you because you want novel

characters you want a new play style you

want to experience the game more it has

to offer you want to get involved in the

community whenever you can over a long

period of time being a horizontal

account pulling many characters helps

you do that although you will not like

get the extreme s still zero like turn

clear and all that might be a bit hard

because you're pulling every single

character you're splitting your

resources everywhere um in this case you

but you still get to play long term I

think horizontal investment might help

your play style a little bit more um and

the other opposite diagonally right

short-term players you play for games

for like 4 months 5 months you are maybe

new to hongkai Star right now too and

you're looking to full clear everything

within the shortest period of time or

with the minimum resources you want to

zero turn clear and stuff this group of

people vertical investment suits your

play style very well because you are

looking for competition a very strong

account to fast clear everything to beat

the game in the easiest time and stuff

like Auto Battle everything so

short-term full clear vertical

investment style generally is favored to

you now at this point it may seem very

black and white like we are splitting up

and fall but at you are probably

thinking like E I don't feel like I'm

always at one star or the the other I'm

a bit of a both at some point and I look

at back at your own like gcha history uh

you are right there are no Black and

Whites this is just a very nice category

of helping people understand what is the

extremes and all of us usually form

somewhere in the middle but let's talk

about the last extreme here first before

I talk about the other things and the

middle story as well which I want to

cover very importantly for us to know

which is is actually better the

long-term and full clear players this is

a fundamental problem with gacha games

not really problem but it's their

business model if you play in the long

run and you want to full clear

consistently all the way if you are

free-to-play player small spender there

will be a problem if you can full clear

everything no problem means that there's

something wrong with their model their

financial monetization model they'll

just go bankrupt eventually and end of

service very very soon so this is a huge

problem in order to long-term and full

clear most likely you need to spend a

lot of money cuz you need both

horizontal and vertical to get the best

out of both worlds or perhaps you need a

ton of luck you need really be really

lucky like some of you on Discord you

are sharing with us all your like

multiple uh five star clears five star

pools and stuff that's incredible you

need to be super lucky also over a long

period of time um but as we know let's

talk a bit about history this is the

advantage of honai star because we have

already seen quite a good amount of

history in hongkai Star real over like

the period of one plus years let's talk

about the two Styles a lot of stuff on

screen right now but the two Styles

horizontal and vertical in the beginning

let's say for example my case my

scenario and I'll also share my own

personal experience with it also I put

E6 zala and let's say someone did as

well in the vertical style you double

down on the strong DPS pull a signature

put multiple copies of her right at the

beginning uh versus someone who just

pulls on characters that they like like

maybe skip one or two patches you have

like Zilla zingan Kafka and stuff like

that a vertical player is going to stor

the the first like few patches all the

way up to panak no problem with Zilla

three stars easy maybe even zero turn

clears because you have a massive stack

account a horizontal account player

might three star sum and then two star

sum three star sum because for example

maybe you didn't play you didn't pull

like the blade and L combo you might not

uh fit into that that rotating mattera

but because you have so many characters

that you have you have many many

different play Styles as well although

they might not be built as well because

you have more characters means more

resources needed but generally speaking

you are three starring two starring

three starring most of the stuff um and

then when the meta changes after like

for example panak I use panak as a nice

Bridge because the mattera did start to

change a lot since then you have

rotations into like followup break Acron

and a little bit of do in the start of

Team competitions here and the

horizontal person is still going to pull

like Aron runme characters that you like

boot here here and there and you're

probably still going to see the same

rotation two star some three star some

because your aurons are ezo your all

your characters are ezo only you don't

have their signature you can just rotate

two three stars and that is totally fine

a horizontal player horizontal

investment account player probably

already expected that because he's not

min-maxing any character he's just

getting a little bit of everything as an

extreme example whereas the vertical

player like the vertical investment

player spend $2,000 on a character for

example or or a lot of resources for a

character like Zilla can't afford

anything skips everything and all the

way up the pany suddenly Zea is no

longer relevant anymore um let's move

this aside so I don't confuse anyone

first then you start to see that once

Zilla is no longer relevant and she did

become much less relevant maybe because

you do not have any runme you do not

have any other of the meta characters

you start dropping to two stars and this

drop here is very very painful for a

person in a investment a vertical

investment style because psychologically

you have been used to three starring

everything you have been used to

clearing it Auto Battle so easily and

once you drop to that two stars this is

when a player in vertical star will

start to feel a bit of stress you might

even drop the game because you are no

longer the same as it was before or

perhaps you just don't want to have a

reinvestment cycle as I like to call it

so at this point the drop is probably

when players quit or additional money or

additional resources need to be

in hopefully a player has saved enough

by then but even if they do save enough

they have to have the expectation that

that Banner that they are looking for

when they first drop two stars has to be

a pretty decent DPS if not they're just

pulling on like some Rando uh DPS that's

maybe not super super good like maybe a

Aron kind of DPS so that is the one key

issue like timing needs to be involved

and after they reinvest in the

particular character then they're back

to three stars again and they can

continue on their three stars let's say

they have like E6 Aron for a really

really long period of time but um that's

basically a vertical investment style if

they don't choose to um reinvest they

they don't have $2,000 again or they

didn't save any resources to maybe

because they are refreshing to grind

more relics then perhaps they might drop

to one star cuz they do not have the new

CS the new meta CS they only fixated on

learning one star and then they will

just drop to one star and then they

significantly underperform the

horizontal investment style over a long

period of time so that's why we talked a

bit about shortterm and long-term just

to get you better understanding this

images here helps us to understand a

little bit better but these are extremes

as some of you real I the true question

is that some of you might be wondering

is EOD is there then a middle ground for

these two stars and a best way to play

hongkai starl and my answer is yes so

the two extremes shows you a good uh

opposites of what is might not be too

healthy some people might be in extremes

but majority of you will lie in this

special middle ground and that's what I

want to touch on right now um the middle

ground over here the rule of Thum a long

story short to get the best value out of

a honkai staro and the best investment

for your overall count a little bit of

both it sounds easier than it actually

is but you first want to select good

characters that last a long period of

time for example characters like Aron

for example characters like Roni uh

characters like fan etc etc so many

other characters I don't want to name

everyone if not it's going to take like

a 1 hour video right um looking for

these characters and investing them

vertically in this particular strong

characters at least like maybe starting

off with either the E1 E2 or their

signature or maybe maybe good characters

that can fill many many teams as well

and super verse style these are strong

characters for your overall account of

course the question would then be in

practice is a little bit harder to do

that's why we always have these kind of

investment videos that I talk about

characters before the banner is even out

so we have time to plan and I give you

my second thoughts on whether it's worth

investing in these characters and that's

why we try to give you some help as well

to make better decisions all of the

characters that are currently matter I'm

proud to say that on the channel we have

recommended all of them quite accurately

as well um and but of course not to

continue like toting my own horn at the

end of the day I think a good balance is

pulling good characters pulling their

like cones and forming strong characters

that can fill teams that will last a

while allowing you to save resources on

a little bit of other stuff so if some

other styles don't excite you too much

they a bit more Niche characters you

might not need to cool them urgently go

for the generic ones build and the next

part I want to talk about is build teams

rather than focusing on individual

characters so in this category over here

we actually have a video that we done on

the channel the eight teams of honai

star it has almost like half 100,000

views or something like that uh by now

this it teaches you all different eight

types of teams but I'll share with you

now a very quick summary of it because

we need that information to make a

better decision too build teams instead

of focusing on individual characters or

like doubling down on characters

randomly you have to build account

synergies that's why we talk about teams

on the channel that's why we talk about

investment value is very good for your

overall account characters like runme is

like a Hallmark example of a a unit that

can be played in so many different teams

the only teams that arguably runme isn't

excelling in she can still be played

there of course is like debuff teams

because Ramy doesn't really like debuff

too much HP dek teams which benefits

from HP DEC like blade kind of teams

like Jade kind of teams um which are

also Niche these eight teams why are

there these kind of eight teams is

because the memory of chaos Buffs the

apocalyptic Shadow Buffs if you look at

all them fiction Buffs the buff tend to

rotate into one of these eight teams and

if you have as many characters to be

played in one of these eight Cycles you

pretty much have it all the way check of

course it's not so simple you do need

elements and stuff but we talked about

more of it in the eight teams video if

you want to know more theory about these

eight teams and what we are going on

check it out um but otherwise not only

are characters your support characters

for example that can be played into a

lot very strong um so look for

supportive units they can play into ver

style units cuz they will last a very

very long period of time in general DPS

characters I feel is a little bit okay

to double down into one category

especially if they are outperformers in

that class by a significant margin an

example of this will be acon she is just

super super strong in the uh debuff

category she outclasses like even in

stalls that require that favor um going

for follow attacks if you have a strong

enough acaron she just stoms that that

stage as well so out outliers really

strong units are also something that you

want to look out for doesn't mean that

characters a little bit Niche can't be

playing to many teams means they are bad

DPS in general tend to be outliers and

look for the outlier ones and that would

be my recommendation for a long-term

account health of course there'll be up

and down Cycles too and if you found

this video helpful you found this useful

as well do like it comment it and I

highly recommend you uh check out this

team comom video which gives you a lot

more in-depth theory on the eight teams

so that you can start building your

account for the best long-term growth

and share this video with any of your

friends who also play Hong Kai staro I

think they'll be very happy to see this

Theory to and thank you guys again so

much for watching for your support as

well um see you in the next video