Will we ever break the cycle of rising home prices? | About That
Summary
TLDRThe video explores the complex relationship Canadians have with rising home prices. While surveys suggest a desire for lower prices, many Canadians, particularly homeowners, are reluctant due to the financial impact on their property investments. The script highlights the tension between affordability for future generations and the economic dependency on rising home values. It discusses various housing markets, like Germany and Japan, where renting is more normalized, and questions whether homes should be treated as assets or simply places to live. The challenge lies in balancing economic growth with housing affordability.
Takeaways
- 🏡 Many Canadians express a desire for lower house prices, but homeowners are conflicted because lower prices would reduce their home equity.
- 📊 A significant portion of Canadians—66.5%—own homes, and many of them rely on increasing home values to build wealth and secure retirement.
- 💸 Politicians find it difficult to suggest lowering home prices due to the financial impact on homeowners, making it a politically sensitive issue.
- 🏠 One proposed solution is increasing the housing supply, but the focus often remains on protecting the value of existing homes.
- 📈 Investors are playing a growing role in the housing market, with 30% of home purchases in early 2023 being made by people buying additional properties.
- 🚗 The script questions why homes aren't seen like cars, which depreciate over time, and suggests imagining a world where homes are valued based on practical factors like location and condition rather than as investments.
- 🇩🇪 Countries like Germany have cultural differences where renting is more common, with renters outnumbering homeowners, due to government policies supporting affordable housing.
- 🏚️ In Japan, homes often lose value over time and are rebuilt due to natural disasters and cultural acceptance of cyclical renewal, contrasting with the Western investment-focused housing mindset.
- 💼 Canada’s housing market heavily influences the economy, contributing significantly to GDP through related industries such as real estate and construction.
- 🔄 The script highlights that the current system encourages building homes for investors rather than for people who want to live in them, suggesting a shift is needed to prioritize end users.
Q & A
Why do Canadians express conflicting feelings about housing prices falling?
-Many Canadians say they want housing prices to fall, but in reality, many homeowners, who make up 66.5% of households, don’t want to lose the equity in their homes. This creates a conflict of interest between affordability and personal financial investment.
What is the main reason politicians avoid advocating for lower home prices?
-Politicians avoid advocating for lower home prices because doing so would negatively impact the financial well-being of a majority of homeowners, which could result in significant political backlash.
What solution do experts and policymakers agree on to address housing affordability?
-Experts agree that increasing housing supply is a key solution to addressing housing affordability. Building more homes, especially affordable ones, can help bring down prices.
How does homeownership in Canada compare to other countries like Germany or Japan?
-In Canada, homeownership is seen as a way to build wealth, whereas in Germany, renting is more common due to cultural and historical factors, with renters outnumbering homeowners. In Japan, homes often lose value over time, contrasting with Canada’s expectation of homes appreciating in value.
What role do investors play in the Canadian housing market?
-Investors are becoming a larger part of the housing market, with 30% of home purchases in early 2023 being made by investors who already owned other properties. This has increased competition for first-time homebuyers.
How is housing treated differently from cars in terms of investment value?
-Homes are typically seen as investments that appreciate over time, while cars are expected to lose value once they are purchased. Canadians generally view housing as a way to build wealth, unlike cars, which are viewed as depreciating assets.
What are some cultural reasons why renting is more common in Germany?
-After World War II, much of West Germany’s housing stock was destroyed, leading to a focus on rental properties, rent controls, and affordable housing policies. This created a culture where renting became the norm for many.
How do natural disasters influence Japan’s housing market?
-Japan frequently experiences natural disasters like earthquakes and tsunamis, which contribute to a culture of rebuilding homes frequently. Many homes are not built to last for generations, and they often lose value over time.
What is the concern about the speculative nature of housing in Canada?
-The speculative nature of housing, where homes are bought with the expectation that they will appreciate in value, creates an environment where homes are treated as financial assets rather than places to live. This drives up prices and makes it harder for people to afford homes.
What is the long-term consequence if future generations cannot afford to live in major Canadian cities?
-If future generations are priced out of major cities, they may leave for more affordable areas, which could hurt the economy and cultural vibrancy of cities like Toronto. This would result in a loss of talent and reduce the overall quality of life in those cities.
Outlines
🤔 The Housing Dilemma in Canada
Andrew opens by discussing the paradox of Canadians wanting lower housing prices but being conflicted due to homeownership. He highlights that while many Canadians, including himself, want affordability for future generations, the reality is that most Canadians own homes (66.5%) and are building equity. This makes it difficult for both individuals and politicians to fully commit to reducing home prices, as it would hurt homeowners' investments.
💼 Supply vs. Demand: The Political Dilemma
Andrew reflects on a poignant question posed to Canada's housing minister about whether home prices should fall. The minister sidesteps the question by advocating for policies to increase affordable housing supply. Andrew notes that while experts agree on increasing supply, no politician can openly support a drop in home values without risking political backlash. The conversation touches on how home prices impact the well-being of many Canadians and the challenges of balancing these interests.
🏡 The Investor-Driven Housing Market
Andrew explores the role of investors in Canada’s housing market, highlighting how an increasing portion of homes are being purchased as investments rather than for living. He emphasizes that nearly 30% of recent home purchases were made by investors juggling multiple properties. This shift is driving up prices, making it harder for first-time buyers to enter the market, while reinforcing the idea that homes are primarily financial assets rather than living spaces.
🏠 Homeownership as a Cultural and Economic Asset
In this section, Andrew compares homeownership in Canada to other countries like Germany and Japan, where renting is more common and home prices often don't appreciate. He discusses the cultural reasons behind these differences, such as Germany's post-WWII housing crisis and Japan's frequent natural disasters. He also raises the question of whether Canadians could view homes more like cars—functional, depreciating assets—instead of long-term investments.
🔧 The Challenges of Changing the Housing System
Andrew concludes by discussing the systemic nature of the Canadian housing market, where homes are seen as investments and developers prioritize selling to investors rather than end-users. He points out that the government benefits from rising home prices through increased tax revenues, making it difficult to tackle the issue head-on. Experts warn that if housing continues to be inaccessible to younger generations, it could hurt Canadian cities and force people to leave urban centers.
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Keywords
💡Homeownership
💡Housing Affordability
💡Supply and Demand
💡Housing Investors
💡Speculative Value
💡Renting
💡Multigenerational Wealth
💡Housing Policy
💡Cultural Differences in Housing
💡Real Estate Market
Highlights
Canadians say they want lower housing prices but hesitate because two-thirds are homeowners.
Homeowners face a conflict of interest, wanting lower prices for future generations but fearing loss of equity.
Politicians avoid directly advocating for price drops due to the negative impact on homeowners.
A lack of housing supply is often cited as the reason for unaffordable home prices.
The growing presence of investors in the housing market is making it harder for first-time homebuyers.
Between 2014 and 2021, 19% of homes were bought by investors, rising to 30% by 2023.
Investors purchasing multiple properties create a speculative market, raising home prices.
Cultural comparisons: Germany and Japan approach housing differently, prioritizing rentals or accepting depreciation.
Germany's rental culture emerged post-WWII due to a housing crisis, leading to affordable renting being normalized.
In Japan, homes are often built with short lifespans and are not viewed as long-term investments.
The speculative value of homes in Canada contrasts with other nations, where homes are seen as tools for living rather than wealth creation.
Government benefits from rising home prices through increased tax revenues, creating a dependency on high prices.
Developers build homes with investors in mind, needing to pre-sell 70% of units before getting financing.
Without owning property, renters face insecurity about when they may need to leave or relocate due to price hikes.
The future of Canadian cities is at risk if younger generations are unable to afford homes, leading them to leave urban centers.
Transcripts
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>> Andrew: WE SAY WE WANT HOUSE
PRICES TO FALL, BUT I DON'T KNOW
IF WE ACTUALLY DO.
I MEAN, WE PROTEST, WE YELL
SLOGANS, WE GET ANGRY.
>> HOW IS ANYONE EXISTING IN
CANADA?
I FEEL TRAPPED.
I CAN'T BUY ANYTHING.
I CAN'T AFFORD THE RENT THESE
DAYS.
>> Andrew: WE, CANADIANS, SAY IN
SURVEY AFTER SURVEY, WE WOULD BE
HAPPY TO SEE LOWER PRICES, BUT
MANY OF US WOULDN'T BE.
IT'S OBVIOUS WHY, WE'RE
HOMEOWNERS.
MOST CANADIAN HOUSEHOLDS OWN
THEIR HOMES, EXACTLY TWO-THIRDS
OF US, 66.5% ACCORDING TO THE
LAST CENSUS.
I PAY A MORTGAGE, I'M TRYING TO
BUILD EQUITY, AND I'M NOT ALONE.
>> I REMEMBER BEING AT A PUBLIC
MEETING AND THEY SAID CAN YOU
GET THE PRICE OF HOUSING DOWN BY
10%.
I SAID HANDS UP IF YOU WOULD
LIKE TO SEE 10% OF THE EQUITY IN
YOUR HOME DISAPPEAR OVERNIGHT.
>> Andrew: PEOPLE LIKE ME WHO
DON'T IMMEDIATELY RAISE OUR
HAND, WE'RE NOT BAD PEOPLE.
I HAVE TWO KIDS.
I VERY MUCH WANT THEM TO BE ABLE
TO AFFORD A HOME SOME DAY BUT
MOST CANADIANS ARE IN THIS SAME
AWKWARD PREDICAMENT OF HAVING
CONFLICTING INTEREST AND OUR
POLITICIANS AREN'T EXACTLY EAGER
TO V THAT AWKWARD CONVERSATION.
>> I WANT TO ASK YOU STRAIGHT
OUT HERE, DO YOU THINK CANADA
HOME PRICES NEED TO FALL, EVEN
THOUGH THAT HURTS HOMEOWNERS?
>> Andrew: OKAY, SO THIS IS THE
MILLION DOLLAR QUESTION.
THE HOST OF CBC'S FRONT BURNER
PODCAST ASKING CANADA'S HOUSING
MINISTER A POIGNANT QUESTION.
DO YOU THINK CANADA'S HOME
PRICES NEED TO FALL?
>> I THINK WE NEED TO ADOPT
POLICIES THAT WILL OFFER NEW
PRODUCTS IN THE MARKET AT LOWER
PRICES THAN PEOPLE HAVE NOW.
>> Andrew: SO YOU HEAR THE
POLITICAL JUJITSU THAT HE HAD TO
DO TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION IN A
WAY THAT DOESN'T FREAK OUT 66.5%
OF CANADIANS.
WHAT DID HE SAY?
HE SAID WE NEED TO ADOPT
POLICIES THAT WILL OFFER NEW
PRODUCTS IN THE MARKET AT LOWER
PRICES THAN PEOPLE HAVE NOW.
TO BE FAIR TO HIM, THIS IS ONE
SOLUTION THAT MANY EXPERTS AGREE
ON, THAT WE NEED MORE SUPPLIES.
>> HOUSING SUPPLIES.
>> A LACK OF SUPPLY.
>> SUPPLIES THAT PEOPLE WANT TO
BUY.
>> WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO MOVE
TO?
THERE ISN'T ANYTHING OUT THERE.
THERE AREN'T SUPPLIES.
>> IF WE CAN INCREASE HOUSING
SUPPLY, WE CAN BRING DROWN
PRICES.
>> Andrew: BUILD MORE HOMES THAT
ARE AFFORDABLE, BUT DO WE WANT
THE VALUE OF EXISTING HOMES TO
PLUMMET?
THAT'S TOUGH.
NO ELECTED POLITICIAN CAN ANSWER
YES TO THAT QUESTION WITHOUT
COMMITTING POLITICAL SUICIDE.
I MEAN, JUST IMAGINE.
VOTE FOR ME, I'LL MAKE THAT
LIFELONG INVESTMENT YOU ARE
TRYING TO PAY OFF AND PLANNING
TO RETIRE ON WORTH 20% LESS.
>> YOU ADVERSELY IMPACT THE
WELLBEING, THE FINANCIAL
WELLBEING OF AT LEAST 66% OF
CANADIANS.
2 OR 3 CANADIANS LIVE IN A HOUSE
THAT THEY OWN OR SOMEONE THAT
OWNS THE HOUSE.
WHAT IS THE ADVANTAGE OF
DEFLATING AN ASSET OWNED BY MOST
CANADIANS?
>> Andrew: PUT SYRUP APPLY,
WE'RE ADDICTED TO RISING HOME
PRICES BECAUSE WE ARE
CONDITIONED TO SEE OUR HOMES AS
ASSETS, THAT INCREASE IN VALUE,
THAT GUARANTEE WEALTH AND
SECURITY FOR OUR FUTURE.
CAN THAT EVER CHANGE?
YOU KNOW, I SOMETIMES WONDER WHY
WE DON'T SEE HOUSES LIKE CARS.
YOU KNOW THE SAYING, YOU LOSE
10% OF A CAR'S VALUE THE MOMENT
IT DRIVES OFF THE LOT?
WE DON'T REALLY GET THAT UPSET
ABOUT THAT, DO WE?
WE KEEP BUYING CARS BECAUSE WE
DON'T TYPICALLY SEE OUR VEHICLES
AS INVESTMENTS.
THEY'RE MORE LIKE TOOLS.
THEY DEPRECIATE AND WHEN WE'RE
READY FOR A NEW CAR, WE OFTEN
DITCH THE OLD ONE OR AT LEAST WE
DON'T EXPECT TO GET OUR MONEY
BACK.
CAN WE IMAGINE A WORLD WHERE
HOUSES ARE MORE LIKE CARS?
THE TRICKY THING RIGHT NOW IS
THAT A LOT OF THE CURRENT DEMAND
FOR HOUSING IS MADE UP OF PEOPLE
WHO ARE BUYING PRECISELY BECAUSE
THEY KNOW THE VALUE OF THEIR
INVESTMENT WILL INCREASE.
ACCORDING TO THE BANK OF CANADA,
BETWEEN 2014 AND 2021, ALMOST
HALF OF ALL HOME PURCHASES WERE
FROM FIRST TIME BUYERS.
GREAT.
ABOUT A THIRD WERE REPEAT
HOMEBUYERS.
19%, ALMOST 1 IN 5 HOMES WERE
BOUGHT BY WHAT THE BANK CALLS
INVESTORS.
IT DEFINES THAT AS ANYONE WHO
TOOK OUT A MORTGAGE TO BUY A
HOME WHILE KEEPING THE MORTGAGE
ON THEIR OTHER HOME.
SO THEY ARE JUGGLING AT LEAST
TWO PROPERTIES AT ONCE.
YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENS MORE
RECENTLY?
IN THE FIRST THREE MONTHS OF
2023, THESE INVESTORS WERE
RESPONSIBLE FOR 30% OF HOME
PURCHASES.
THAT'S UP FROM 28% IN THE SAME
PERIOD THE YEAR BEFORE AND 22%
IN THE SAME PERIOD IN 2020.
TRANSLATION, THE FIRST TIME
HOMEBUYER MARKET SHARE IS
INCREASINGLY BEING SNATCHED UP
BY INVESTORS WHO SEE HOMES AS A
WAY OF MAKING MONEY.
>> THIS IS MY 8th PROPERTY.
>> THE AMERICAN DREAM IS
BUSINESS OWNERSHIP AND THE
CANADIAN DREAM IS HOME OWNERSHIP
OR WEALTH CREATION THROUGH REAL
ESTATE.
>> Andrew: WE DON'T SEE CARS
THAT WAY, DO WE?
IMAGINE IF WE DID.
HOMES AREN'T FOR MAKING MONEY,
THEY ARE FOR LIVING IN.
IF WE COULD SOMEHOW PULL A
HOME'S SPECULATIVE VALUE OUT OF
THE EQUATION AND INSTEAD BASE
ITS PRICE SOLELY ON REAL THINGS,
SO YOU KNOW, LOCATION, SIZE,
CONDITION, AND BEFORE YOU
DISMISS THIS AS DREAM THINKING,
THIS IDEA OF DECOUPLE OUR HOMES
FROM THIS INVESTMENT MINDSET,
IT'S BASICALLY WHAT WE DO WHEN
WE RENT.
>> RENTING IS ABSOLUTELY OKAY.
IT'S NOT AND IF QUESTION.
EVEN IF I GET THIS ARGUMENT OF
MULTIGENERATIONAL WEALTH, THERE
ARE OTHER WAYS TO ACCUMULATE
THAT WEALTH.
>> RENTING IS CERTAINLY OKAY.
YOU PAY RENT TO A LANDLORD LIKE
YOU WOULD PAY INTEREST ON A LOAN
TO A BANK.
>> Andrew: SO JUST THINK ABOUT
IT.
FROM YOUR POINT OF VIEW, WHEN
YOU RENT, YOU ARE NOT SO MUCH
INVESTED IN THE VALUE OF YOUR
HOME.
YOUR TENANCY IS MORE
CONTRACTUAL, KIND OF LIKE
LEASING A CAR.
THERE ARE ENTIRE NATIONAL
HOUSING MARKETS THAT WORK THIS
WAY.
IN GERMANY, FOR EXAMPLE, RENTERS
OUT NUMBER HOMEOWNERS.
THERE, IT'S LARGELY A CULTURAL
THING.
AFTER THE SECOND WORLD WAR,
AROUND 20% OF WEST GERMANY'S
HOUSING STOCK WAS DESTROYED.
THERE WERE ALSO REFUGEES COMING
FROM THE EAST.
SO, THE GOVERNMENT HAD A REAL
CRISIS ON ITS HANDS.
HOW DO WE HOUSE MILLIONS OF
PEOPLE WHO ARE SUDDENLY
HOMELESS?
WELL, SIMPLE RENTAL PROPERTIES,
HEAVILY SUBSIDIZED, RENT
CONTROLS, HOUSING AFFORDABILITY,
SOCIAL WELFARE, THEY ALL BECAME
REALLY BIG PRIORITIES.
BECAUSE RENTS STAYED AFFORDABLE
FOR SO LONG, RENTING JUST BECAME
HOW YOU LIVE.
I'M SIMPLIFYING HERE, BUT IT'S
ALSO NOT JUST GERMANY.
IN JAPAN, CONSIDER THIS.
HOMES DON'T NECESSARILY
APPRECIATE, THEY OFTEN LOSE
VALUE THE LONGER YOU HOLD THEM
BECAUSE HOMES CAN HAVE VERY
SHORT LIFE SPANS.
THEY AREN'T BUILT TO LAST
GENERATIONS.
THEY MIGHT ONLY LAST 30 YEARS
BEFORE BEING TORN DOWN AND THEN
REBUILT FROM THE GROUND UP.
WHY?
WELL, NATURAL DISASTERS ARE ONE
REASON.
EAS AND TSUNAMIS ARE A
CONSTANT THREAT AND THIS CYCLE
OF DESTRUCTION IS VERY MUCH PART
OF THE CULTURE.
IN FACT, THERE IS A REVERED
SHINTO TEMPLE, ALSO CALLED THE
SOUL OF JAPAN THAT EVERY 20
YEARS GETS METICULOUSLY
DISMANTLED AND THEN REBUILT.
THAT IS AS REAL OF A
MANIFESTATION OF THE CYCLICAL
NATURE OF LIFE AND THE
ACCEPTANCE OF CHANGE.
>> TOKYO, NOT JUST JAPAN, HAS
MANY LESSONS WE CAN LEARN FROM.
WE NEED SHEET ON LIVING IN A
CITY, LIVING IN AN APARTMENT,
RENTING AND MAKING THAT CHANGE,
AND A THRIVING ENVIRONMENT.
>> Andrew: THE DIFFICULTY IN
BREAKING HOME IS THE SINGLE BIGT
FINANCIAL INVESTMENT THEY WILL
EVER MAKE.
MANY RETIREMENTS DEPEND ON THIS
BEING ABLE TO DOWNSIZE LATER IN
LIFE, POCKETING A NICE PROFIT
THAT YOU CAN LIVE OFF OF.
GOVERNMENTS ALSO BENEFIT FROM
MORE TAX REVENUE WHEN HOME
PRICES GO UP.
DID YOU KNOW THAT REAL ESTATE
REPRESENTS THE SINGLE BIGGEST
DRIVER OF G.D.P. IN CANADA
BECAUSE ITS REALTORS, ITS
ARCHITECTS, DEVELOPERS,
CONSTRUCTION, THAT IS THE SYSTEM
BUILT AROUND A PHILOSOPHY THAT
HOMES ARE MADE SO WE CAN EXTRACT
PROFIT.
>> DEVELOPERS NEED TO SELL 70%
OF THE UNITS BEFORE ANY BANK IS
WILLING TO GIVE THEM ANY MONEY.
SO AS LONG AS THIS IS HOW WE
FINANCE CONSTRUCTION, THERE IS A
MASSIVE RISK ON THE DEVELOPMENT.
WE ARE BUILDING TO THE INVESTOR
AND NOT TO THE END USER.
THAT IS A SHIFT THAT WE NEED TO
MAKE IN THIS COUNTRY.
>> Andrew: NOW I'M NOT SAYING
THIS IS A BAD SYSTEM.
IT'S HOW MOST WESTERN COUNTRIES
WORK.
IT'S ALSO THE ELEPHANT IN THE
ROOM THAT LAWMAKERS ARE T
CONSTANTLY IN SEARCH FOR THE
SOLUTION OF A PROBLEM, THAT
WOULD BE POLITICALLY DANGEROUS
TO TACKLE HEAD ON.
THE DOWNSIDE OF TINKERING AROUND
THE EDGES, I'M LET THE EXPERTS
HAVE THE FINAL WORD.
>> IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE
PROPERTY, YOU DON'T KNOW WHEN
YOUR LANDLORD WILL GET RID OF
YOU.
YOU ARE WORRIED OF GETTING
PRICED OUT AND HAVING TO MOVE
MARKETS ALL TOGETHER.
>> IT HURTS CANADIANS, IT HURTS
TORONTO AND OTHER BIG CITIES
BECAUSE IF FUTURE GENERATIONS
WILL NOT SEE AN OPTION FOR
THEMSELVES TO LIVE AND THRIVE IN
THE CITY, THEY WILL LEAVE THE
CITY.
I DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS A
PRICE THAT WE SHOULD, YOU KNOW,
THAT THE CITY SHOULD SUFFER
FROM.
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