The End For QD OLED? - TVs and Monitors in 2025

Summary

This video discusses the uncertain future of Quantum OLED technology, with Samsung reportedly buying LG OLEDs and struggling to find buyers for their Quantum OLED TV panels. Concerns include the high cost of production, technical issues, and competition from mini LED and AMOLED. Despite these challenges, Quantum OLED is praised for its superior color volume, but the video raises questions about its longevity in the market.

Takeaways

• 📰 Samsung is buying LG OLEDs and selling them under the S90D brand, indicating a potential lack of confidence in Quantum OLED technology.
• 🚫 Samsung seems to struggle to find buyers for their Quantum OLED TV panels, with Sony reportedly moving to mini LED and W OLED instead.
• 📉 The competition from other display makers like BOE, LGD, TCL, and CSOT, who are building 8.6 gen AMOLED production lines, could negatively impact Quantum OLED's market share.
• 💡 Samsung Electronics appears to prioritize 8K mini LED TVs over Quantum OLED, possibly due to cost and performance issues.
• 💻 Quantum OLED monitors have found success with buyers like MSI and Asus, but the future remains uncertain as competitors develop new technologies.
• 🔍 The cost of producing Quantum OLED, which uses a complex triple-stack blue layer process, is high and may need to be reduced for the technology to remain competitive.
• 🛠️ Technical issues such as chromatic aberration and magenta tinting in ambient light could affect the adoption of Quantum OLED.
• 🌟 The potential of FOLEDto be a game-changer with higher efficiency, but concerns remain about its lifespan and the need for triple-stack blue light.
• 📈 The race to 4,000 nits of brightness for monitors and TVs is another challenge for Quantum OLED to overcome to stay relevant in the market.
• 🔗 The script promotes Ruo's 8K HDMI 2.1 fiber optic cable as a high-quality option for connecting new consoles, gaming PCs, or for long-distance HDMI connections.

Q & A

What is the main concern regarding the future of Quantum OLED technology?

The main concern is that the future of Quantum OLED technology is questionable, with evidence suggesting it might not be around as long as previously thought due to issues with cost, competition from other technologies like mini LED, and difficulties in securing buyers for their TV panels.

Why is Samsung buying LG OLEDs instead of relying solely on Quantum OLED?

Samsung buying LG OLEDs indicates a lack of confidence in Quantum OLED as a superior or more affordable technology. This move suggests that Samsung might see LG OLEDs as a better option, which is a strike against Quantum OLED's future.

What evidence is there that other companies are not interested in buying Samsung's Quantum OLED TV panels?

Sony, which was previously known to use Quantum OLED, seems to be moving to mini LED and W OLED for their premium TVs according to a Reddit leak, indicating a lack of interest in continuing with Quantum OLED panels.

How does the matte finish on the S95d TV affect the perception of Quantum OLED's quality?

The matte finish on the S95d TV is traditionally associated with budget or low-quality displays, which might make Quantum OLED appear less premium compared to other technologies like mini LED.

What is the impact of the race to build 8.6 gen AMOLED production lines on Quantum OLED?

The race to build 8.6 gen AMOLED production lines could lead to more production of monitor panels, increasing competition and potentially reducing the demand for Quantum OLED technology.

Why is the cost of producing Quantum OLED a significant issue?

Quantum OLED uses a complex three-stack blue layer process, which is expensive and difficult to produce. This high cost makes it less profitable compared to alternatives like mini LED, potentially leading Samsung to shift its focus away from Quantum OLED.

What is the 'Holy Grail' technology mentioned in the script and what issues does it face?

The 'Holy Grail' technology referred to is FOLED (Flexible OLED), which is expected to be more efficient. However, it still faces issues with lifespan and the need for triple-stacking blue light, which keeps the production cost high.

What technical issues does Quantum OLED currently face?

Quantum OLED faces technical issues such as chromatic aberration around objects due to triangle sub-pixels, magenta tinting when presented with ambient light, and potential burn-in issues, although the latest models have seen a reduction in burn-in.

Why might the race to 4,000 nits be a concern for Quantum OLED?

The race to 4,000 nits is a concern because it sets a new standard for HDR content and display quality. If Quantum OLED cannot meet this standard cost-effectively, it may fall behind competing technologies like mini LED.

What is the current status of Quantum OLED monitors according to the script?

Quantum OLED monitors are currently doing well with buyers like MSI and Asus producing their own versions. They are praised for their superior color volume compared to W OLED, but the script expresses concern for their future due to the challenges faced by the technology.

Outlines

00:00

📉 Uncertain Future for Quantum OLED

The script discusses concerns regarding the future of Quantum OLED technology. It mentions an article from OLED-info that questions the longevity of Quantum OLED. The author agrees with some of these concerns, particularly after learning that Samsung is purchasing OLED panels from LG instead of relying solely on its own Quantum OLED technology. This move suggests that Samsung may not view Quantum OLED as a superior or more cost-effective option. The author also points out that Samsung has had difficulty finding buyers for its Quantum OLED TV panels, with Sony being a notable exception that now appears to be shifting to mini LED and W-OLED. The author speculates that Samsung Electronics may be more focused on promoting its 8K mini LED TVs than Quantum OLED, given the introduction of the S95d model with a matte finish and apparent issues with tone mapping on the S90d model. The author concludes that while Quantum OLED monitors have found some success, the technology faces significant challenges, especially in the TV market, due to high costs and technical difficulties.

05:01

🔍 Exploring the Challenges of Quantum OLED

The second paragraph delves deeper into the challenges facing Quantum OLED, particularly the high costs associated with its production process. The author explains that Quantum OLED uses a complex three-stack blue layer, which is both expensive and difficult to manufacture without issues like tinting. The script also discusses the potential of AMOLED production lines and RGB OLEDs as competitors that could offer better performance without the magenta tinting problem seen in Quantum OLED when exposed to ambient light. The author raises concerns about the long-term profitability of Quantum OLED, especially in light of the technical issues such as chromatic aberration and the need for triple-stacking blue light, which could necessitate the use of more expensive FOLED technology. The script concludes with the author expressing hope that Quantum OLED can overcome these challenges, but acknowledges the possibility that Samsung may shift its focus to mini LED technology if costs and performance issues persist.

Keywords

💡Quantum OLED

Quantum OLED refers to a type of display technology that incorporates quantum dots to enhance the color and efficiency of OLED (Organic Light Emitting Diodes) displays. In the video, the speaker discusses concerns about the future of Quantum OLED, particularly in TV panels, due to competition from other technologies like LG OLEDs and the challenges of manufacturing and cost.

💡Samsung

Samsung is a leading electronics company that is mentioned in the script as a key player in the development and marketing of Quantum OLED technology. The video discusses Samsung's shift to buying LG OLED panels and the implications this might have for the future of Quantum OLED, suggesting a lack of confidence in the technology's dominance.

💡LG OLED

LG OLED is a competing display technology to Quantum OLED, produced by LG Electronics. The script mentions that Samsung is buying LG OLED panels, which could indicate a perceived superiority or cost-effectiveness of LG's technology over Samsung's Quantum OLED.

💡8K Mini LED

8K Mini LED refers to a high-resolution display technology that uses mini LEDs for backlighting. In the video, it is suggested that Samsung might be shifting its focus towards 8K Mini LED TVs, possibly due to their lower cost and improved performance compared to Quantum OLED.

💡RGB OLED

RGB OLED is a type of OLED display that uses red, green, and blue subpixels to create images. The script discusses the potential of RGB OLEDs to offer an alternative to Quantum OLED, especially if they can address issues like magenta tinting when exposed to ambient light.

💡FOLED

FOLED stands for Flexible OLED and refers to a type of OLED display that is bendable or flexible. The video mentions FOLED in the context of potential improvements in efficiency and lifespan for Quantum OLED, but also raises concerns about the continued need for triple-stack blue layers, which could keep costs high.

💡Burin

Burin is a term used to describe a specific type of burn-in effect that can occur in OLED displays, where static images leave a ghostly imprint on the screen. The script notes that while burin has been reduced in the latest generation of Quantum OLED, it remains a technical issue that could affect the technology's appeal.

💡4,000 nits

A measure of brightness, 'nits' refers to the amount of light emitted by a display. The video discusses the trend towards 4,000 nit HDR monitors, which could be a new standard for high-quality displays. Quantum OLED is compared to this standard, highlighting the need for it to meet or exceed these brightness levels to remain competitive.

💡Ambient Light

Ambient light refers to the general lighting conditions in an environment. The script mentions that Quantum OLED displays can suffer from magenta tinting when presented with ambient light, which could be a disadvantage compared to other display technologies that do not have this issue.

💡Chromatic Aberration

Chromatic aberration is a visual artifact that appears as colored fringes around objects in an image. The video script mentions that Quantum OLED displays can exhibit chromatic aberration due to the triangle sub-pixels, which could be a drawback影响 the technology's image quality.

Highlights

The future of Quantum OLED technology is questionable, according to an article by OLED-info.

Samsung is buying OLEDs from LG, which might indicate a lack of confidence in Quantum OLED.

Samsung is reportedly selling LG OLEDs under the S90D brand.

Samsung seems to be struggling to find buyers for their Quantum OLED TV panels.

Sony, a previous buyer of Samsung's Quantum OLED panels, is now moving to mini LED and W OLED.

Samsung Electronics may not be fully invested in the success of Samsung Display's Quantum OLED technology.

Samsung's 8K 900 series mini LED TVs are considered their flagship product, overshadowing Quantum OLED.

Quantum OLED monitors have buyers, unlike TV panels, with companies like MSI and Asus producing them.

The cost of producing Quantum OLED is high due to the use of a triple-stack blue layer.

FOLED might not solve the efficiency and lifespan issues of Quantum OLED.

Technical issues like chromatic aberration and magenta tinting could affect Quantum OLED's future.

The race to 4,000 nits of brightness could make Quantum OLED less competitive.

Samsung might shift focus from Quantum OLED to mini LED due to cost and technical challenges.

Despite concerns, Quantum OLED panels are still considered among the best for color volume.

The presenter frequently recommends Quantum OLED monitors and TVs for their superior color volume.

RUO's 8K HDMI 2.1 fiber optic cable is recommended for those needing high-quality connections for TVs and monitors.

Transcripts

uh-oh everybody Panic it's time to storm

the stores and buy up every single

quantum.to because could it be the end

for Quantum OLED by next year or will it

still be around for a long time

obviously no please don't go panic and

buy quantums out of fear right now let's

discuss this so there was an interesting

article posted just a little bit ago by

oled-info where it does appear that they

seem to believe that the future of

quantum OLED is certainly questionable

at the least and I definitely want to

talk about this with you guys because I

actually do agree on some points with

this article and there are some things

that are very concerning when it comes

to Samsung and quantum.to and its

potential future so let's start by

talking about the evidence as to why at

least I believe that quantum.to might

not be around as long as we thought so

first first let's talk about Samsung

buying oleds from LG now not too long

ago there was an article put out by Tom

Warren over at The Verge which states

Samsung admits defeat and reportedly

inks deal for lged TV panels this is

true they are actually buying LG oleds

and selling some of them under the s90d

in certain sizes this year and maybe

mixing and matching them with all sizes

and other regions that's yet to be

determined we will see what happen

happens there so that's not good for

Samsung display when it comes to Quantum

OLED I mean if Samsung as a whole

believed that quantum.to was not only

far more affordable but a far better

technology surely they would be just

selling Quantum OLED and not buying LG

oleds at least that's my opinion so

there's strike one that is not good but

the second bit of evidence as to why I

believe that the future of quantum OLED

may be question

probably more so for TVs is because well

Samsung seemingly can't get any buyers

for their Quantum do OLED TV panels now

I'm not talking about you and me

watching this video or I guess me

producing it I'm talking about well

people like Sony LG Etc they're it just

seems like they're not able to get

people to actually buy these panels and

in fact the only person they were ever

able to get as far as I'm aware is Sony

which now seems to be no longer the case

as you can see here via a Reddit leak it

looks like this year Sony is no longer

using Quantum OLED and in fact they're

going to be moving to mini LED and W

OLED for their most premium TVs so

that's another huge blow to Samsung

display when it comes to the future of

quantum.to and honestly another piece of

evidence I think could support this

theory is that at least to me it seems

like Samsung Electronics May may

actually not be that interested in the

success of Samsung displays Quantum OLED

technology Samsung has always considered

the 8K 900 series mini LED TVs to be

their Flagship product but recently it

seems like Samsung isn't even trying to

make Quantum OLED look that good anymore

at least in my eyes and the reason why I

say this is because not only did they

equip the S 95d with a matte finish

which has traditionally been associated

with budget or low quality displays for

good reason but the s90d quantum.to

which has the glossy panel also appears

to be at times no better than the s95 C

due to some strange tone mapping issues

that I've been seeing in some early

testing so it just seems like Samsung

overall is far more interested in trying

to Hype up and sell their 8K mini LEDs

rather than OLED at least in the year of

2024 again in my opinion now monitors

may be more safe because they do have

buyers I mean you can see MSI Asus a ton

of different companies selling their own

versions of the 32in quantum oleds and

they are great which by the way I do

want to mention this isn't like me

having a hit piece on Quantum OLED

because I hate Quantum OLED in fact I

absolutely love Quantum OLED and from a

technical standpoint I actually do

believe in many ways it is superior to

Wed when har harnessed correctly but I

digress they do actually have buyers for

Quantum doed monitors but according to

once again the website oled-info

Quantum OLED monitors are successful but

as display makers including Samsung Boe

lgd TCL and csot and others are racing

to build 8.6 gen it AMOLED production

lines it's likely that these lines will

be used to produce monitor panels which

put more pressure against its Quantum

OLED technology and guys I think it's

very important to consider that these

AMOLED production lines as well as the

RGB oleds that people are trying to

create will well potentially at least

some of them hopefully will have the RGB

layout as well as no magenta tinting

problem when presented with ambient

light which might make them a better

choice for desktop usage especially for

editing and especially if you're not in

a light controlled room but only time

will tell how the final units will

actually look now another thing we have

to consider as to why I believe that

Quantum OLED might be in trouble in the

future especially on the TV side is the

cost quantum.to is using three stack

blue layer and as you can see on this

image from OLED

net.com yeah this is a pretty

complicated process of creating OLED

OLED is already very very expensive and

to have three layers of it as well as

Quantum dots on top of that and now

they're trying to figure out the Finish

problem to retain that glossy nice look

without having the tinting all of this

is getting incredibly complicated and

expensive and this is making it at least

I believe probably a lot less profitable

than mini LED which I think is going to

lead to Samsung potentially changing its

course when it comes to TVs and maybe

even monitors in the future if this cost

is not able to get reduced and the Holy

Grail the saving throw the Hail Mary

that everybody thought would fix it

foled might also have issues now it is

going to be far far more efficient and

that's great to see however it sounds

like the lifespan could still be a big

problem meaning that triple stack foled

may now be required so if they can't get

away from triple stacking blue light

that's going to continue to be expensive

and in fact with foled even more more

expensive and of course there are the

technical issues as well such as the

triangle sub pixels leading to the

chromatic aberration around objects the

magenta tinting one presented with

ambient light that does destroy the

contrast of course burin being a

potential issue as well although I will

say buron has been greatly reduced on

their latest generation model so I don't

think that's as much of an issue but of

course mini LED just won't have that

same concern and then of course they

have to worry about the race to 4,000

nits now as it looks like 4,000 nit

mastering monitors are reaching the

hands of creators and is going to be the

next Target for the best HDR movies and

content coming out and all of this

altogether guys I think does raise some

serious red flags specifically for

larger TV panels but potentially even

monitors in the future where it might be

the case that if they can't get these

costs down I do think they will start to

shift their focus over to mini LED on

TVs and potentially getting away from

Quantum do OLED eventually on monitors

as well now of course only time will

tell and maybe they can make some really

big breakthroughs when it comes to the

cost as well as the performance of these

panels in the future but I did want to

make this video as yes I do think that

quantum.to is in trouble again

especially on the TV side since they

just can't get anyone to buy them

they're really expensive and they do

have some issues which seem to be

incredibly difficult to fix but

regardless I do think that Quantum OLED

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