Do Stocks Return 10% on Average?
Summary
TLDRIn this insightful video, Ben Felix from PWL Capital challenges the common belief that stocks will return 10% or more per year on average, explaining that this expectation may lead to misguided financial decisions. He delves into the history of stock market returns, highlighting the difference between nominal and real returns, and emphasizes the impact of inflation on investment gains. Felix also critiques the reliance on recent U.S. market history for setting future expectations, citing research that suggests more modest long-term returns. He advocates for a more realistic approach to estimating expected returns, considering global stock performance and current market valuations, ultimately advising investors to prepare for lower than anticipated stock returns.
Takeaways
- 🧐 The common belief that stocks will return 10% or more per year on average is often misguided and can lead to poor financial decisions.
- 📈 The origin of the 10% return figure is based on US stock market performance from 1950 to 2023, which may not be a reliable indicator for future returns.
- 🔄 It's crucial to differentiate between nominal and real returns, with real returns being more reflective of actual purchasing power and thus more important for investors.
- 🌐 The real return on US stocks from 1950 through 2023 was 7.63%, indicating that even exceptional returns should be viewed in real terms.
- 📊 Rising stock valuations, driven by falling discount rates, suggest lower expected returns in the future rather than higher, contrary to investor expectations.
- 🔍 A 2002 paper by Eugene Fama and Ken French suggests that the higher returns post-1950 are due to rising stock valuations and not necessarily sustainable for future investment strategies.
- 🎯 The historical US equity risk premium for 1872 to 1950 is close to the realized premium over the same period, suggesting that past performance should inform future expectations.
- 🌍 Global stock returns, excluding the US market, have been lower, with an average real return of 4.35% from 1900 through 2023.
- 🤔 The 'equity premium puzzle' refers to the higher than predicted returns of the US stock market, which researchers attempt to resolve by examining global data and considering economic models.
- 📝 PWL Capital uses a comprehensive approach to estimate expected returns, considering global historical data, removing valuation changes, and accounting for current market conditions.
Q & A
What is the common belief about stock returns that Ben Felix addresses in the video?
-The common belief that Ben Felix addresses is that stocks will return 10% or more per year on average, which he suggests is misguided and can lead to poor financial decisions.
What does the nominal return of 11.32% for US stocks from 1950 to 2023 not account for?
-The nominal return of 11.32% does not account for inflation. It is important to consider real returns, which do take inflation into account, as they provide a more accurate picture of the actual value growth of investments.
What is the real return on US stocks from 1950 through 2023?
-The real return on US stocks from 1950 through 2023 was 7.63%. This figure is adjusted for inflation, providing a more accurate measure of the growth in value of these investments.
What does the term 'Equity risk premium' refer to?
-The Equity risk premium refers to the excess return that stocks provide over and above the return on risk-free assets, such as government bonds. It compensates investors for taking on the additional risk associated with investing in the stock market.
Why do rising stock valuations suggest lower expected returns?
-Rising stock valuations suggest that stocks are currently expensive relative to their earnings or assets. High valuations imply that a significant portion of the potential for growth in stock prices has already been realized, leading to the expectation of lower future returns.
What is the 'rear view mirror bias' in investing?
-The 'rear view mirror bias' is the tendency of investors to assume that the high returns experienced in the past will continue indefinitely into the future. This bias can lead to overconfidence and unrealistic expectations about future investment performance.
How does the concept of 'survivorship bias' affect historical equity premium calculations?
-Survivorship bias occurs when the analysis focuses only on companies that survived over a certain period, leading to an overestimation of the historical equity premium. This is because failed or underperforming companies are excluded from the sample, which can skew the results to appear more favorable than they actually were.
What is the historical real return on global stocks from 1900 to 2023, excluding the US market?
-The historical real return on global stocks from 1900 to 2023, excluding the US market, is 4.35%. Including the US market, the figure is 5.16%.
What is PWL Capital's estimated real expected return for a total market index fund portfolio?
-PWL Capital's estimated real expected return for a total market index fund portfolio is 4.62%, with a nominal expected return of 7.24% assuming an expected inflation rate of 2.5%.
Why is it important to have accurate estimates of expected returns for financial planning and portfolio management?
-Accurate estimates of expected returns are crucial for making informed financial decisions. They impact how much an individual needs to save for retirement, how much they can spend during retirement, and when they can retire. Over time, even small differences in expected returns can lead to significant changes in these outcomes due to the compounding effect.
How often does PWL Capital update its estimates for expected returns, and where can these estimates be found?
-PWL Capital updates its estimates for expected returns twice a year, and these figures are made available for free on their website.
Outlines
📉 Debunking the 10% Stock Return Myth
This paragraph discusses the common misconception that stocks will return an average of 10% per year. Ben Felix, a portfolio manager at PWL Capital, explains that this belief is misguided and can lead to poor financial decisions. The historical data shows that from 1950 to 2023, US stocks delivered a nominal annualized return of 11.32%, but when adjusted for inflation, the real return was significantly lower at 7.63%. The paragraph emphasizes the importance of distinguishing between nominal and real returns, and how rising valuations, rather than fundamentals, have driven up stock returns. It also references a 2002 paper by Eugene F. and Ken French, which suggests that the higher returns post-1950 are not sustainable due to the current high valuations and lower expected returns.
🌍 Global Stock Returns and the Equity Premium Puzzle
The second paragraph delves into the concept of the equity premium puzzle, where historical US stock returns have exceeded predictions from economic models. It compares the US stock returns to global stock returns, highlighting that the global real stock returns from 1900 to 2023 were 4.35% excluding the US, and 5.16% including the US. The paragraph discusses research that suggests a median real return of 5.28% for international stocks and 4.78% for domestic stocks. It also addresses the rear view mirror bias, where investors may assume that high historical returns will continue indefinitely. The paragraph concludes by presenting PWL Capital's expected real return estimates of 4.62% and nominal 7.24%, taking into account current valuations and expected inflation. It underscores the significant impact that even small differences in expected returns can have on financial planning and portfolio management.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡expected returns
💡nominal returns
💡real returns
💡valuations
💡equity risk premium
💡rear view mirror bias
💡survivorship bias
💡global stock returns
💡equity premium puzzle
💡financial planning
💡portfolio management
Highlights
The belief that stocks will return 10% or more per year on average is misguided and can lead to poor financial decisions.
The 10% return figure originates from US stock market history, particularly from 1950 to 2023, which delivered a nominal annualized return of 11.32%.
It's crucial to differentiate between nominal and real returns, with real returns being more significant for practical financial planning.
The real return on US stocks from 1950 through 2023 was 7.63%, indicating that the approximate 7% real return is still exceptional.
The pre-1950 US stock market delivered a real annualized return of 5.57%, suggesting that historical periods should also be considered when estimating expected returns.
Rising stock valuations, driven by falling discount rates, do not guarantee repeating the high returns of the past and may indicate lower expected future returns.
Eugene Fama and Ken French's 2002 paper suggests that the higher return post-1951 is due to rising stock valuations and falling discount rates, which point to lower expected returns.
Survivorship bias and the perception of the US market as 'safe' have contributed to the historical US equity premium, driving up stock valuations.
Global real stock returns from 1900 through 2023, excluding the US market, were 4.35%, and including the US market were 5.16%.
Research indicates a median real return of 5.28% for international stocks and 4.78% for domestic stocks, reflecting a lower expected return than the often cited 10% nominal return for stocks.
The historical US stock returns have been termed an 'equity premium puzzle' as they are higher than most economic models predict.
At PWL Capital, expected returns are estimated by considering global historical returns, removing valuation changes, and accounting for current valuations.
PWL Capital updates their real expected return estimates to 4.62% and nominal 7.24%, assuming 2.5% expected inflation, twice a year.
The difference between a 10% and a 7% expected return is significant, impacting decisions like savings for retirement and the timing of retirement.
Stocks have historically beaten bonds and are expected to continue doing so, but their expected returns are not as high as commonly believed.
Using the best historical periods for the best-performing stock market as an estimate of expected returns can be misleading, especially when current market valuations are high.
For more information on PWL's approach to financial planning and portfolio management using sensible expected return estimates, one can book a meeting with them.
Transcripts
a lot of people seem to think that
stocks will return 10% or more per year
on average I think this belief is
misguided and can lead to bad financial
decisions I'm Ben Felix portfolio
manager at pwl Capital and I'm going to
tell you where the 10% return figure
comes from why it's probably not a good
estimate of expected returns and what a
better estimate looks like the
assumptions that investors make about
expected returns impact important
decisions like how much they need to
save how they allocate their assets and
whether they should invest or pay off
debt small differences in expected
returns can have big impacts on
decisions this makes estimating expected
returns an important exercise but many
people seem to believe that stocks will
return 10% or more per year on average
to understand why this is problematic
let's start by understanding where the
idea that stocks return 10% per year on
average comes from going back to 1950
through 2023 US Stocks delivered a
nominal before inflation annualized
return of
11.32% for the 20 years ending 2023 the
total US market returned 9.81%
annualized the Genesis of that often
quoted 10% figure is easy to see
especially for people primarily familiar
with recent US market history before
going any further we need to make a
distinction between nominal and real
returns it doesn't actually mean much to
say that the stock market returns 10% on
average because nominal returns don't
put food on the table real returns do
take the 15 years ending April 1985 as
an example the US Stock Market returned
10.58% annualized for 15 years which
seems great but inflation ran at 7.05%
over the same period eroding a huge
portion of the nominal return for this
reason it's important to think in real
terms the real return on US stocks from
1950 through 2023 was
7.63% and it was 7.16% for the last 20
years to be clear this roughly 7% real
return is still exceptional even for the
US market from 1900 through 1950 US
Stocks returned a real annualized
5.57% the big question is whether the
pre-1950 sample or the post 1950 sample
are more relevant in setting
expectations for the future to make this
determination context matters a
significant portion of the exceptional
return for US Stocks over the more
recent period is due to rising
valuations from 1950 to today US Stock
valuations increased dramatically Rising
valuations are not something that
investors should count on repeating
valuations are kind of like a weak form
of gravity in financial markets High
valuations suggest lower expected
returns not higher the question of
whether pre or post 1950 returns are
more representative of expected returns
was examined by Eugene F and Ken French
in a 2002 paper I know the paper's a bit
dated but US market valuations are
similarly high today as in their
analysis period they estimate made
expected stock returns from dividends
and earnings to judge whether the
realized average return is high or low
relative to its expected value they find
that their estimate for the expected
Equity risk premium for the period 1872
to 1950 is very close to the realized
Equity risk premium over the same period
but that the 1951 to 2000 realized risk
premium is almost three times their
estimated premium this suggest that the
earlier period delivered on expected
returns which should inform expectations
while the later period delivered
unexpectedly higher returns which should
not be counted on expectation their
evidence suggests that the higher return
post 1951 is due to Rising stock
valuations driven by Falling discount
rates this context is important because
falling discount rates indicate lower
expected returns going forward not
higher the idea that Rising valuations
drive up past returns and push down
expected returns while investors assume
that the high returns will continue
forever has been called the rear view
mirror bias a more recent paper
examining past us stock returns suggests
that survivorship has contributed a
significant amount to the historical us
Equity premium basically the US has been
lucky disasters that could have happened
to the US and have happened to other
countries simply have not happened as a
result investors have learned over time
that the US market is safe this learning
has driven down the discount rate
driving up the valuations of US Stocks
the combination of good luck and
valuation increases together explain
about 2% of the historical us Equity
risk premium for the period 1920 through
March 2020 the thing about the us being
a great place to invest is that everyone
knows that it is prices for US stocks
are high reflecting how awesome
investors think the market is but again
high prices suggest lower expected
returns not higher for future returns to
resemble the past there will need to be
more good luck more rising valuations or
some combination netting the 2% return
from luck and learning out of the total
return the real return on US Stocks over
the period examined by the paper is
5.28% a figure much closer to the
pre-1950 US return and as you will see
in a minute to Global stock returns
historical US Stock returns have been
high enough to be deemed a puzzle the
equity premium puzzle they're much
higher than the predictions of most
economic models one of the ways that
researchers have tried to resolve the
equity premium puzzle is by looking at
data outside of the US market Global
real stock returns back to 1900 through
2023 excluding the US market are
4.35% and 5.16% including the US market
research drawing on data for 38
developed markets extending as far back
as 1890 and using block bootstrap to
simulate plausible return scenarios
finds a median real 5.28% return for
international stocks and 4.78% for
domestic stocks remember the often cited
10% or higher average nominal return for
stocks is roughly equivalent to saying a
7% % or higher real return this 7%
figure is about 2% higher than unbiased
estimates of us expected returns US
Stock returns before 1950 and Global
stock returns for periods spanning 1890
through 2023 to answer the question
posed in the title of this video no
stocks do not typically return 10% or
more per year on average US Stocks
specifically did for the last 70 or so
years largely in the back of rising
valuations but Global stock returns for
the last 124 years and US Stock returns
from 1900 through 1950 were much lower
at pwl Capital we need to have estimates
for expected returns to give people
Financial advice rather than using
relatively recent us historical returns
and ignoring valuations we start with
the global historical return from 1900
through 2023 remove the return over that
period attributed to valuation changes
and then account for current valuations
we update these figures twice a year and
post them on our website following this
process gives us a real expected return
of
4.62% or a nominal 7.24% assuming 2.5%
expected inflation these figures are
before fund fees which should also be
accounted for net of fees pw's expected
return for a total market index fund
portfolio is a nominal
7.08% the difference between a 10% and a
7% expected return is huge it may not
seem huge but remember that returns
compound over time with small changes in
expect itive returns differences in
things like how much you need to save
for retirement how much you can spend in
retirement and when you can retire can
be huge I do want to make sure it's
clear that I'm not suggesting that
stocks are bad Investments or that
people should avoid the stock market in
all of the long-term historical data
that I've mentioned and in pw's expected
returns stocks have beaten and are
expected to beat bonds the main takeaway
is not that stocks are bad just that
their expected returns are not as high
as many people think using one of the
best historical periods for one of the
best performing stock markets as an
estimate of expected stock returns
especially when valuations for that
market are currently at the 97th
percentile of expensiveness relative to
history a condition associated with
lower future returns is in my opinion a
little ridiculous more reasonable
estimates include the historical
experience of global stocks and account
for current market conditions both of
these adjustments point to lower
expected returns relative to recent US
Stock Market history fortunately pwl
runs these numbers twice a year and
posts them on our website for free
thanks for watching I'm Ben Felix
portfolio manager at pwl Capital if you
want to learn more about how pwl applies
sensible expected return estimates to
financial planning and portfolio
management you can book a meeting with
us below
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