Benefits of Wim Hof Method & Tummo Breathing | Dr. Elissa Epel & Dr. Andrew Huberman

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17 Sept 202406:46

Summary

TLDRIn this discussion, two researchers explore the impact of breathwork, particularly the Wim Hof Method, on stress resilience and mental health. They compare high-arousal techniques like Wim Hof's extreme breathing with low-arousal methods such as mindfulness and relaxation. Preliminary findings show that both approaches significantly reduce stress, anxiety, and depression, while boosting positive emotions. The study also aims to investigate physiological effects, including gene expression and telomerase activity, to understand how different stress interventions impact the body and brain over time.

Takeaways

  • ๐Ÿง  The speaker admires the work of the interviewee, especially their research on breathwork and stress resilience.
  • โ„๏ธ Wim Hof is known as the 'Iceman' for his cold exposure practices, but his breathwork techniques are also of interest, drawing parallels with ancient breathing practices like Tummo breathing.
  • ๐Ÿ“Š The speaker's research aims to explore positive stress, focusing on short-term bursts of physical and mental stress to build resilience.
  • ๐Ÿ˜“ While the speaker has studied the negative impacts of toxic stress and trauma, they are now keen on exploring how positive stress can benefit the body and mind.
  • ๐Ÿ• Physical activities like high-intensity interval training (HIIT) or a brisk walk can significantly alleviate stress and help regulate bodily energy.
  • ๐Ÿ‘จโ€๐Ÿ”ฌ The speaker collaborated with Wim Hof and designed a study to explore the impact of the Wim Hof Method on stress resilience and emotional well-being.
  • ๐Ÿง˜ The study compares the effects of low-arousal relaxation methods (like mindfulness and slow breathing) with high-arousal activities (like the Wim Hof Method and aerobic exercise).
  • ๐Ÿ“ˆ Preliminary results show that both low- and high-arousal methods reduce stress, anxiety, and depression over time, with participants feeling significantly better after daily practice.
  • ๐Ÿ˜Š The Wim Hof Method uniquely increased daily positive emotions, suggesting different physiological pathways for emotional improvement.
  • ๐Ÿ”ฌ The study will analyze telomerase, mitochondrial enzymes, and gene expression to understand the biological mechanisms behind stress resilience, although telomere changes are unlikely to show in short-term studies.

Q & A

  • What is the main focus of the study discussed in the transcript?

    -The study focuses on comparing the effects of low-arousal relaxation methods like mindfulness and slow breathing to positive stress exercises, including the Wim Hof method. The goal is to understand how short-term bursts of stress can promote stress resilience and mental health.

  • What is the Wim Hof method, and why is it relevant to this study?

    -The Wim Hof method combines cold exposure with specific breathwork practices, similar to Tummo breathing. It is relevant to the study because it represents a form of 'positive stress' that the researchers are exploring for its potential mental health benefits, particularly in terms of stress resilience.

  • What motivated the study on the Wim Hof method?

    -The motivation came from the researchers' interest in understanding 'positive physiological stress' and its benefits. The study aims to explore ways to induce short-term stress that might promote stress resilience, shifting away from focusing solely on toxic stress and trauma.

  • What preliminary findings have been observed regarding the Wim Hof method and stress resilience?

    -Preliminary findings suggest that both low-arousal relaxation methods and high-arousal positive stress interventions, like the Wim Hof method, lead to significant reductions in stress, anxiety, and depression. Additionally, the Wim Hof method appears to boost daily positive emotions over time.

  • How does the researcher describe the personal benefits of body-based stress interventions?

    -The researcher notes that body-based strategies, like high-intensity exercise or brisk walks, help manage daily stress effectively. These methods seem to have a significant impact, especially for those experiencing strong stress responses.

  • Why is the study interested in looking at telomeres and telomerase?

    -Wim Hof was particularly interested in how his method might affect cell aging, including telomeres. While the researchers don't expect telomeres to change quickly, they plan to examine telomerase, mitochondrial enzymes, and gene expression patterns to explore how these stress interventions might influence cellular aging and stress responses.

  • What are the researchers hoping to find regarding gene expression and physiological changes?

    -The researchers hope to observe changes in gene expression patterns related to acute stress responses. They are looking for differences in how various stress resilience interventions impact mechanisms such as mitochondrial function, telomerase activity, and stress response systems.

  • Are there any preliminary results about telomere changes?

    -No, the researchers don't believe telomeres can change rapidly in a short-term study like this. However, they are looking into telomerase and other biological markers, and the results for those will be available later.

  • How do different stress resilience interventions impact the nervous system?

    -The study suggests that different interventionsโ€”like the Wim Hof method or slow-breathing mindfulnessโ€”affect the nervous system in distinct ways. While everyone feels better, the physiological pathways to achieving this are varied, involving differences in sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous system responses.

  • What are the next steps in analyzing the results of the study?

    -The next steps involve analyzing the physiological data and blood-based biomarkers to determine how different stress interventions impact the body. The study will focus on examining mitochondrial enzymes, telomerase, gene expression patterns, and physiological stress responses.

Outlines

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๐ŸŒฌ๏ธ Exploring Breath Work and Positive Stress

The speaker has long admired the work of their guest, particularly in breath work studies, and is excited to discuss their current research on the Wim Hof method. The Wim Hof method, often associated with cold exposure, also includes breathwork techniques similar to ancient breathing practices like Tummo. The speaker's interest in positive stress, or 'positive physiological stress,' contrasts their prior research on toxic stress and trauma. They are now exploring how short bursts of stress can improve stress resilience through concrete, quick body-based strategies. The speaker shares their personal experience with such methods, highlighting the immediate benefits of physical activity or brisk walks in managing stress. This leads into their study on how these positive stressors, like exercise and breathwork, might enhance resilience.

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๐Ÿงฌ The Study: Comparing Relaxation and Stress Methods

The guest and their team are conducting a study comparing low arousal relaxation techniques, such as mindfulness, with high arousal methods like the Wim Hof method. Funded by the John W. Brick Foundation, which focuses on non-drug approaches to mental health, the research investigates how different techniques affect stress, anxiety, and depression. Initial findings show that all participants, whether assigned to high or low arousal practices, experienced significant reductions in stress and improved mood after three weeks. While various techniques produce these positive effects, the physiological mechanisms behind them differ, and further investigation into the specifics of these stress responses is ongoing. The Wim Hof method, in particular, boosted positive emotions over time, suggesting selective psychological benefits.

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Keywords

๐Ÿ’กWim Hof Method

The Wim Hof Method is a combination of breathing techniques, cold exposure, and meditation designed to boost physical and mental resilience. In the video, it is discussed as a method that not only helps people withstand cold temperatures but also promotes stress resilience and positive emotional outcomes. The speaker explores how this method affects participants' mental health by comparing it to other stress-reducing techniques like mindfulness.

๐Ÿ’กBreathwork

Breathwork refers to controlled breathing exercises that aim to improve physical and mental health. In the context of the video, both the speaker's and Wim Hofโ€™s laboratories are studying different breathwork techniques, including those in the Wim Hof Method, to understand how they influence stress resilience and emotional well-being. Breathwork is seen as a concrete and quick way to positively affect stress levels.

๐Ÿ’กPositive Stress

Positive stress, or 'eustress,' refers to short bursts of stress that are believed to be beneficial for the body, promoting resilience and growth. The speaker contrasts this with toxic stress and highlights how positive stress, induced through methods like the Wim Hof Method and exercise, can improve mood and reduce anxiety. The study aims to explore the physiological and emotional benefits of positive stress.

๐Ÿ’กTelomeres

Telomeres are protective caps on the ends of chromosomes that shorten with age and stress, making them a biomarker for cellular aging. In the video, the speaker mentions that one of the goals of the study is to explore whether the Wim Hof Method affects telomeres or telomerase, an enzyme that can lengthen them, though telomere changes are not expected in the short term.

๐Ÿ’กTelomerase

Telomerase is an enzyme that helps maintain and lengthen telomeres, potentially slowing cellular aging. The speaker explains that the Wim Hof Method study will investigate whether this enzyme's activity is influenced by the stress resilience techniques tested. This is part of a broader effort to understand the biological effects of positive stress and how it may impact aging.

๐Ÿ’กStress Resilience

Stress resilience is the ability to effectively manage and recover from stress. The study aims to examine how different methods, including the Wim Hof Method, affect stress resilience by looking at both emotional and physiological responses. The concept is central to the research, which seeks to find non-drug ways to help people handle stress and improve mental health.

๐Ÿ’กMindfulness

Mindfulness is a mental practice of focusing one's attention on the present moment, often used as a relaxation technique. In the study, mindfulness and slow breathing are compared to more high-arousal practices like the Wim Hof Method. Both approaches are found to reduce stress, but through different physiological pathways.

๐Ÿ’กSympathetic Nervous System

The sympathetic nervous system is part of the body's autonomic nervous system that activates the 'fight or flight' response during stressful situations. In the study, the researchers examine how different stress resilience techniques, including the Wim Hof Method, affect the sympathetic nervous system. The speaker notes that each method creates distinct physiological profiles related to this system.

๐Ÿ’กParasympathetic Nervous System

The parasympathetic nervous system is the part of the autonomic nervous system responsible for 'rest and digest' functions, promoting relaxation and recovery. The study compares how different interventions like the Wim Hof Method and mindfulness affect the parasympathetic system, suggesting that these methods create unique physiological responses while still reducing stress.

๐Ÿ’กGene Expression

Gene expression refers to the process by which information from a gene is used to create proteins that affect cellular function. The study on the Wim Hof Method plans to investigate changes in gene expression patterns to understand how stress resilience techniques influence biological pathways. New technologies, like those measuring thousands of proteins, will provide insights into how these methods impact stress and overall health.

Highlights

The speaker's laboratory studies breath work, and they are excited to discuss their current research on the Wim Hof method, which includes breath work practices as well as cold exposure.

The speaker's research focuses on understanding 'positive physiological stress' and ways to induce it, moving away from their earlier work on toxic stress and trauma.

The speaker discusses their interest in body-based strategies for promoting stress resilience, particularly through short-term stressors like aerobic exercise or breath work.

The Wim Hof method's breath work is compared to other practices like Tumor breathing, and it is recognized for its ability to induce positive emotional states.

The speaker's study, funded by the John W. Brick Foundation, compares the Wim Hof method, mindfulness, and other stress-inducing practices to assess their impact on mental health.

The Wim Hof method and other body-based strategies like aerobic exercise have shown to decrease stress, anxiety, and depression, even after just three weeks of practice.

The study reveals that regardless of the method (low or high arousal), participants experienced positive emotional outcomes and significant reductions in mental stress.

The Wim Hof method, in particular, boosted positive emotions daily over time, mirroring findings from previous studies on practices like sighing.

Different physiological Pathways are at play between high-arousal methods (like Wim Hof) and low-arousal methods, though both led to improved mental states.

The speaker emphasizes the unusual selective positive effect of the Wim Hof method in boosting daily positive emotions, which is not commonly seen in other interventions.

Telomere changes are not expected in the short-term, but the study will analyze mitochondrial enzymes, telomerase, and gene expression patterns to identify potential biological effects.

The study uses advanced assays like SomaLogic to examine stress responses at the molecular level, potentially identifying acute stress pattern changes through different stress resilience interventions.

Preliminary results suggest distinct physiological profiles between the different interventions, including effects on both the sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous systems.

The speaker suggests that although participants in all interventions felt better, the pathways through which stress resilience was achieved were different depending on the type of intervention.

The research highlights the growing interest in non-drug approaches to improving mental health and stress resilience through methods like breath work and aerobic exercise.

Transcripts

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I've known about your work for a very

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long time admired it for a very long

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time and one of the things that um

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excited me about being able to sit down

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with you today is that uh our

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Laboratories studied breath work your

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laboratory studying breath work and um

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and I know that you've been

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doing a study on the so-called Wim Hof

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method

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um which of I'll let you familiarize our

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listeners to some of them are familiar

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with the Wim Hof method others are not I

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think a lot of people think of a whim in

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terms of his role as the Iceman because

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of cold exposure but of course he has um

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breath work practices that mirror

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um things like tumor breathing and other

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things but maybe you could tell us a

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little bit about what you're doing there

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and what you're interested in

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discovering I realize it's too early to

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give us the results but hopefully

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they'll come back and do that at another

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time but

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what is the study what motivated the

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study and maybe I can convince you to

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give us a little teaser of what you're

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discovering so for um I I for many years

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I mean I think my

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um first paper when I was a graduate

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student with Boost McEwen was about this

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idea of positive physiological stress

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and so I've always been wanting to

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really understand what's positive stress

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how can we induce it and instead for

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many many too many years I've been

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studying the dark side toxic stress

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trauma caregiving and how that is can

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take a toll on the body without the

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right resilience and resources and now

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I'm very excited about the uh

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the opportunity to just focus on

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different ways that we can stress out

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our body and mind in short-term bursts

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that might promote stress resilience and

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the body-based strategies are concrete

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they're quick they're um they're

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also my favorite strategies I I probably

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have internalized a lot of the mindsets

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and the you know the things that I've

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learned from meditation and what I feel

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the biggest bang for the buck is you

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know if I'm waking up like super jittery

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with a big stress response because of X

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or Y it is actually something like

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um

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a you know

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uh a hit type workout or taking the dogs

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for like a really brisk walk or like

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burning up that energy and my body is

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um

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a very big effect size for me personally

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everyone has their you know different

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ways that they can see the biggest

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shifts in Daily stress

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so I've been looking for ways to create

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positive stress besides exercise we all

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know about exercise and I met Wim Hof at

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a uh a meeting where we talked kind of

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back to back and so we hadn't I had kind

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of heard something about you know crazy

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Iceman climbing up the Himalayas I

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really had yes 27 or more World Records

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yeah for that sort of thing yeah so he

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so I got to hear I got to do the

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breathing with him during this

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conference and I just felt like Elation

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afterwards I was like what was that and

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then he heard about telomeres and he was

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like I need to know if my method is

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affecting cell aging he loves research

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and so we he helped us design a study

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that we've been working on at UCS staff

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um with my colleagues Wendy Mendez and

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Eric pray there it's been many years and

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it's funded by the

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John W brick Foundation which is very

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focused on what are non-dragway ways

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that we can help mental health

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so it was a very good fit for all of us

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to come together and design the study

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and we have been basically comparing

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low arousal relaxation methods

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mindfulness slow breathing to positive

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stress exercise and Wim Hof method and

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one of the things that we've learned in

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a big way is that regardless of whether

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we're creating deep states of ease or

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hermetic stress in the body that

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short-term burst of either aerobic

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activity or the extreme breathing

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people feel better period so three weeks

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later after this experiment of doing

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their practice every day they were

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either randomly assigned to the high

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arousal or the low arousal the level of

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stress anxiety and depression fell

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dramatically in everyone so many paths

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to changes in stress there are probably

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very different physiological Pathways

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and and we can talk about that more when

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we get to really look in depth at our

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physiological data as well as our

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blood-based data but what we do know is

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that the Wim Hof method did create daily

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positive emotion that increased over

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time just like your study on sighing and

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so even though there are different

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mechanisms they were selectively

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boosting feelings of positivity I love

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that you know that's very unusual to get

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a very selective positive effect

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super interesting I can't wait to hear

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more about the data so I gather and by

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the way no is a perfectly fine answer I

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gather that you're not going to tell us

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about the whether or not there are

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telomere changes yet or maybe that's not

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possible

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um to detect in this kind of short-term

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study so what we're going to look at we

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don't really think that telomeres can

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change very quickly and telomerase May

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so we're going to look at mitochondrial

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enzymes telomerase and gene expression

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patterns and as you know we can look at

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many different mechanisms and Pathways

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with gene expression patterns especially

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with these new kind of

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essays where you can look at you know

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seven thousand different

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proteins like the Soma logic and so

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we'll get to see well what's the pat you

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know did we really change patterns of

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acute stress with these different types

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of stress resilience interventions and

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in terms of the physiological reactivity

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there are ways that we can

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examine both the

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stress response system

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sympathetic nervous system and the

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parasympathetic response system and I

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will tell you that um while we're still

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preparing the results there were very

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different profiles from the different

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interventions that make us think that

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there's a lot of specificity even though

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everyone feels better the the way that

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they got there is very different in ways

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that we're impacting both the nervous

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system and the Brain

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foreign

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