8/8 Jen - Grand Final of Indonesia Open 2023

Summary

The speaker argues that religion's primary purpose is to provide salvation, addressing inherent human fears and the unexplained. They contend that religion isn't about rationalizing actions but about the path to salvation, which is not solely dependent on individual actions but also on worldly temptations. The speaker criticizes the government's rationalization of religion, suggesting it reduces faith to a zero-sum game where actions are overly scrutinized. They advocate for a narrative that acknowledges the role of worldly temptations in sin, allowing for forgiveness and a more accessible path to salvation, as seen in the shift from the Old to the New Testament.

Takeaways

• 🤔 The script argues that religion is not about rationalizing actions but addressing inherent fears and providing salvation.
• 🙏 Religion exists to offer a solution for unexplained fears and to provide forgiveness for bad deeds, not just to judge actions.
• 🌟 Salvation is considered the most important aspect of religion because it gives people hope for a better afterlife.
• 🚫 The script criticizes the government's approach to religion, suggesting it reduces it to a zero-sum game where actions are overly rationalized.
• 🔄 The New Testament narrative is highlighted as more forgiving, focusing less on compensating for sins and more on belief and change.
• 🤝 The script suggests that the path to salvation should not be about justifying actions but about accepting forgiveness and changing.
• 🧐 It discusses the difficulty of not sinning and the challenge of attributing actions solely to worldly temptations rather than individual faults.
• 😕 The script points out the complexity of human emotions like envy and selfishness, which are sinful but not always consciously chosen.
• 🤝 It emphasizes that religion should not be a burden but a source of comfort and guidance, especially in desperate times.
• 💡 The closing argument is that without the concept of salvation, people may not turn to religion at all, as it loses its transformative power.

Q & A

What is the primary reason for the existence of religion according to the script?

The primary reason for the existence of religion is to address the inherent fear and unexplained fears that people have, which they cannot understand or picture.

How does the script define 'salvation' in the context of religion?

Salvation, as defined in the script, is the forgiveness of all bad deeds and the promise of a good afterlife, granted to those who believe in religion and accept forgiveness.

What is the main argument against the government's rationalization of religion as presented in the script?

The main argument is that the government's rationalization reduces religion to a zero-sum game where actions are overly emphasized, which contradicts the idea that religion is about providing a path to salvation rather than just focusing on actions.

Why does the script argue that worldly temptation should be part of the religious narrative?

The script argues that including worldly temptation in the narrative helps individuals understand that sin is not solely due to individual actions but also due to external influences, which makes the path to salvation more relatable and achievable.

How does the script differentiate between the Old Testament and the New Testament's approach to salvation?

The Old Testament is described as requiring compensation for sins, whereas the New Testament emphasizes belief in Jesus, acceptance of forgiveness, and making an effort to change, without the need for compensation.

What is the script's stance on the role of good deeds in achieving salvation?

The script suggests that doing good deeds solely for the purpose of achieving salvation is not genuine and can be considered sinful because it lacks compassion and is driven by self-interest.

Why does the script claim that it's impossible to always make perfect actions in life?

The script claims that it's impossible to always make perfect actions because humans are prone to feelings like envy and selfishness, which are not conscious decisions and can occur involuntarily, similar to falling in love.

What does the script imply about the necessity of salvation for people to believe in religion?

The script implies that without the promise of salvation, people would not be inclined to believe in religion, as it is the assurance of forgiveness and a better afterlife that attracts them to religious beliefs.

How does the script relate the concept of salvation to the idea of transformation in religion?

The script relates salvation to transformation by suggesting that while religion can lead to personal and societal transformation, it should not be at the expense of genuine belief and should instead focus on the inherent need for salvation.

What is the script's view on the role of selfishness in achieving salvation?

The script views selfishness as a barrier to achieving salvation, using the example that it's easier for a child to go to heaven compared to rich people, who are often driven by selfish intentions.

Outlines

00:00

🙏 The Role of Salvation in Religion

The speaker argues that the primary purpose of religion is to provide salvation for the unexplainable fears and uncertainties in life. They contend that religion exists not to justify actions but to offer forgiveness and a sense of security after death. The argument is made that religion should not be overly rationalized, as it is not about worldly temptations or actions but about the path to salvation. The speaker also discusses the burden of proof being on the opposition to show that sins are not caused by actions alone but also by worldly temptations. They critique the idea that good deeds can compensate for severe sins like murder and question the rationality of actions driven by self-interest rather than genuine compassion.

05:03

😔 The Struggle with Selfishness and Envy

In this paragraph, the speaker delves into the difficulty of overcoming selfishness and envy, suggesting that these feelings are involuntary and akin to falling in love. They use the example of unexpected success of an acquaintance to illustrate how envy can inadvertently lead to gossip, which is considered a sin. The speaker emphasizes that it's unrealistic to expect humans to be flawless in their actions throughout their lives. They argue against the idea that one must compensate for irreversible sins to achieve salvation, suggesting that the narrative of religion should focus less on individual actions and more on the transformative power of faith. The speaker concludes by asserting that without the promise of salvation, people would not turn to religion, especially in desperate times.

Keywords

💡Religion

Religion is a system of beliefs, practices, and moral codes that often relate to the worship of a higher power or powers. In the context of the video, religion is portrayed as a means to address inherent fears and uncertainties in human life, providing a framework for understanding the unexplainable and offering a path to salvation. The script argues that religion's primary purpose is not to rationalize actions but to offer solace and a sense of peace through the concept of forgiveness and afterlife.

💡Salvation

Salvation, in religious terms, refers to the deliverance from sin and its consequences, often associated with the promise of an afterlife in heaven or a state of eternal bliss. The video emphasizes that salvation is the core of religion, as it offers a way to absolve individuals of their sins and provides hope for a favorable afterlife. The concept is central to the argument that religion exists to provide a path for individuals to overcome worldly temptations and achieve spiritual peace.

💡Worldly Temptations

Worldly temptations are the allurements or enticements of the material world that can lead individuals away from moral or spiritual paths. The script suggests that these temptations are a significant factor in the commission of sins, and that understanding their role is crucial for the narrative of religion. It argues against the notion that actions are solely responsible for sins, proposing instead that the context of temptation is essential for comprehending the human condition and the role of religion in addressing it.

💡Fear

Fear, as mentioned in the script, is an inherent human emotion that arises from the unknown or the unpredictable. It is suggested that religion evolved in part to address this fear by providing explanations and comfort for the unexplainable. The video posits that fear of the unknown is a fundamental reason why people turn to religion, seeking answers and solace in the face of life's uncertainties.

💡Sins

Sins, in religious contexts, are actions or thoughts that are considered morally wrong or disobedient to divine will. The script discusses sins as a consequence of both individual actions and worldly temptations. It challenges the idea that sins are solely the result of personal actions, arguing for a more nuanced view that includes the influence of external temptations. The concept of sins is integral to the discussion of how religion provides a path to salvation.

💡Forgiveness

Forgiveness in the video is depicted as a central tenet of religious belief, where individuals are offered the opportunity to be absolved of their sins. It is presented as a mechanism through which religion alleviates the burden of guilt and provides a chance for spiritual renewal. The script argues that the promise of forgiveness is a key reason why people believe in and adhere to religious teachings.

💡Afterlife

The afterlife is a belief in a existence or state of being after death. In the video, the concept of an afterlife is tied to the idea of salvation, where individuals who have been forgiven their sins can expect a favorable existence post-mortem. The script uses the afterlife as a motivational factor for religious adherence, suggesting that the promise of a good afterlife is a powerful draw for believers.

💡Actions

Actions, as discussed in the script, refer to the behaviors or deeds performed by individuals. The video argues that while actions are necessary for the commission of sins, they are not the sole determinant of one's spiritual state. It challenges the notion that actions can be perfectly rationalized and instead suggests that the context of actions, including the influence of worldly temptations, is crucial for understanding human behavior within a religious framework.

💡Compensation

Compensation, in the context of the video, refers to the idea that one can make amends for their sins through good deeds or actions. The script critiques this concept, suggesting that it reduces religion to a transactional relationship where good deeds are seen as a way to counterbalance sins. It argues that this approach misses the deeper purpose of religion, which is to provide a path to salvation that goes beyond simple moral accounting.

💡Selfishness

Selfishness is portrayed in the script as a human trait that can lead to sins, such as envy or the pursuit of personal gain at the expense of others. The video uses selfishness as an example of a sin that may not cause direct harm but is still morally problematic. It is discussed in the context of how religion can address such internal flaws and guide individuals towards a more compassionate and less self-centered way of living.

💡Transformation

Transformation in the video is associated with the idea of personal change and growth, often as a result of religious belief and practice. It is suggested that religion has the power to transform individuals, helping them overcome their worldly temptations and sins. The script argues that this transformation should not be forced or transactional but should come from a genuine acceptance of forgiveness and a desire to change.

Highlights

Religion exists to address inherent fears and unexplained anxieties.

Salvation is central to religion, offering forgiveness for bad deeds.

Religion's purpose is not to rationalize actions but to provide a path to salvation.

Worldly temptations are integral to the narrative of achieving salvation.

The burden of proof is on the opposition to demonstrate that sins are not caused by actions alone.

Actions are necessary for sin, but the focus should be on the path to salvation, not just actions.

Religion's role is to provide salvation, not to justify actions.

The New Testament emphasizes belief and forgiveness over compensating for sins.

Sins can be intangible, such as envy or selfishness, yet still require forgiveness.

Doing good for personal gain, like going to heaven, is not in line with religious values.

The narrative of sin being caused by worldly temptation is logical and aligns with religious teachings.

Religion should not be about rationalizing actions but about guiding towards salvation.

The transformational power of religion should not come at the cost of personal betterment.

In desperate times, people turn to religion for salvation, not for rationalizing their actions.

The government's rationalization of religion has turned it into a zero-sum game.

It's impossible to expect humans to make perfect actions throughout their lives.

The inability to compensate for unreversed sins highlights the need for a focus on salvation.

Religion should not be a burden but a source of comfort and guidance towards salvation.

Transcripts

feels like the whole government bench is

rationalizing religion too much right

but we're going to argue to you that why

we think salvation is the most important

thing is because the reason religion

exists is not for people to give a

calculus of their action religion exists

because people have inherent fear that

they cannot understand they are afraid

of something that they cannot picture

for example they afraid or stressed or

depressed about something something that

they cannot predict and all of this

unexplained fear needs to be somehow

cered right that's why religion came and

give salvation of all of the bad Deeds

that you have done if you believe in the

religion and you accept forgiveness you

are forgiven and then in the afterlife

you're going to be granted with wishes

and all of those and you're going to

have like a good afterlife right so my

point is religion has never been about

rational whether it starts with worldly

Temptation first or actions afterwards

that's not what matters to the religion

of course okay we think that the burden

from opposition is not to prove that all

of the sins is not caused by actions but

only caused by worldly tempations of

course not action is still going to be

there it's it's a verb right so it has

to be happen for you to have sins but we

think that the contextualization

of whether what are the path for one

person to reach salvation is the most

important thing in religion you can

argue that there are a lot of extension

here getting more followers having

social movement creating policies

changing the world to a better thing

that all cannot happen if religion

cannot give salvation to people because

otherwise people would not believe to a

religion to begin with they would seek

other alter alternative of um security

and also other alternative of Salvation

right so that's why we think that

closing opposition is the only them

theme that can prove to you why having

world uh worldly Temptation in the

narrative would help individuals would

help human achieve salvation and accept

the forgiveness in their respective

religion why is that so because the

government team rationalizes religion

too much to a to a sense that it has

become a zero sub game right when you

have a sin when you commit a sin and you

are uh you aware that it is solely

because of your own action and this is

their words in order for you to receive

salvation you have to compensate for

your bad action okay I understand but

that has

me and also good behaviors become a

spectrum okay what are a good things

that can compensate your sin of

murdering people you cannot bring a

people back to life right so under that

scenarios no one that has committed

murder for example can go to heaven or

can receive salvation right but second

of all my member has explained to you

that there are some degree of sins that

might not cause physical economical or

tangible harms to other but it is still

sinful for example being Envy for

example being selfish right that's why I

ask when a good person when a person do

good things simply because they want to

go to heaven is it sinful yes because

you're not giving compassion you're not

practi practicing the value of religion

but you're doing that because of your

own interest ladies and gentlemen right

so how come for these people they can go

and reach salvation in the end that's

why go on and do not sin more is an Old

Testament that has been changed to a New

Testament the New Testament does not

require you to compensate for your the

New Testament only requires you to

believe in Jesus accept the accept the

forgiveness and make an effort to change

ladies and gentlemen so when the

narrative does not primarily emphasis on

the actions of individual it change the

whole narrative that sin happens because

there is worldly temptation is it

logical no I understand that actions is

still there you're still at fault yes

but take it into account that that is

not the purpose of religion to

rationalize all of these things okay so

that's why which path better lead to

Salvation these three te believe

salvation exist but never have they

argue to you why salvation exists and

can be achieved under their case it's

not why would you believe in religion

like that where you wouldn't be able to

accept all of when you be be able to

have all of those um forgiveness right

closing uh why stop being selfish and

being envious is so damn hard to the

level when you require to justify that

your action is caused by World

Temptation rather than by your

individual

mistake feeling selfish is not a

conscious thing to do ladies and

gentlemen it just happened it's like

falling in love it's like you don't feel

a good drive okay so I asked you if

someone you thought is beneath you in

any way yeah you think that they are not

as accomplished as you for example in

high school or in University but then

after like an alumni Gathering turn out

he's become the CEO of of very

multinational companies and very

successful you canot help you to feel

like what the how what happened to

this person okay one little things of

saying how are you do you do you know

what happened to this person we haven't

met him in such a very long time and

then eventually turns out it becomes a

gossip you never intended to happen but

sin still happen so it's impossible for

you to put the burden on one on a human

to always make a perfect a perfect

action throughout their life and like

what I said even if you do can what are

the things that can compensate the

unreversed sins that you have have made

ladies and gentlemen that's why we think

it has never been able that was we think

that on on the government side religion

will never be able to go to the path of

Salvation uh of Salvation itself right

now what we say is that when you don't

have this uh when you don't have uh

Salvation what happens is that people

will not have religion to begin with why

we think that this is the most uh we

think that this is the most um uh the

the most um relatable um narrative right

that people can that people can uh can

accept because we think that in

Desperate Times people goes to religion

it's true it's trans

transformation supernational

transformational all of that but the

transformation cannot be made at the

expense of I want to be better that's

why God says it's easier for a child to

go to heaven compared to rich people

because rich people always have selfish

intention which is not the case that uh

that you can have in a government bch

thank you