How to get bigger shoulders (Guide for bigger more defined delts)

Joel Williams
3 Sept 202415:45

Summary

TLDRIn this fitness-focused video, Jo discusses the importance of well-developed shoulders for a striking physique. He shares his personal experience and expertise, emphasizing the effectiveness of heavy pressing movements like the seated dumbbell shoulder press. Jo advocates for a slow negative technique to maximize muscle engagement and suggests a rep range of 4 to 10 for heavy pressing. He also covers targeted exercises for each deltoid head, including front raises with rope variation for the front delts, and various lateral raise options for the medial delts. For the often challenging rear delts, Jo recommends cable flies or reverse pec deck exercises. He stresses the importance of high rep ranges, proper form, and progressive overload for optimal shoulder development.

Takeaways

  • πŸ’ͺ Shoulders are a crucial part of a man's physique and can significantly impact first impressions.
  • πŸ‹οΈβ€β™‚οΈ Heavy pressing movements, like the seated dumbbell shoulder press, are effective for building big shoulders.
  • πŸ“‰ Emphasizing a slow negative in exercises can enhance the burn and stimulate muscle growth.
  • πŸ”„ A mix of exercises targeting different parts of the deltoids is necessary for a well-rounded shoulder development.
  • 🚫 Front raises are essential despite being a lateral plane exercise, as they target the front deltoids differently than presses.
  • πŸ”— The rope variation for front raises provides stability and allows for a controlled negative, enhancing the exercise's effectiveness.
  • πŸ“ˆ Progress in shoulder exercises is incremental, and it's important to focus on consistent effort and nutrition for growth.
  • πŸ‹οΈβ€β™€οΈ Lateral raises, in various forms, are fundamental for developing the medial deltoids and should be done with high reps for isolation.
  • πŸ”™ Proper back training can reduce the need for direct rear deltoid work, as they are significantly activated during certain back exercises.
  • πŸ”„ Rear delt exercises like cable flies and reverse pec deck are beneficial for targeting the often underdeveloped rear deltoids.
  • ⏫ High frequency and intensity techniques can be particularly effective for shoulder training due to their fast recovery rate.

Q & A

  • What is considered one of the most defining parts of a man's physique?

    -The shoulders are considered one of the most defining parts of a man's physique, often being the first thing that people notice when evaluating someone's physical appearance.

  • Why are shoulders important in bodybuilding?

    -In bodybuilding, well-developed shoulders are important because they can significantly enhance the overall appearance of one's physique, contributing to an impressive and intimidating look.

  • What is the first exercise recommended for developing good shoulders?

    -The first exercise recommended for developing good shoulders is a heavy pressing movement, specifically a seated dumbbell shoulder press with the bench inclined.

  • What is the significance of the 3-second negative in dumbbell shoulder presses?

    -The 3-second negative in dumbbell shoulder presses is significant because it allows for a deeper stretch and increased time under tension, which can lead to greater muscle stimulation and growth.

  • What is the recommended rep range for heavy pressing movements for shoulders?

    -The recommended rep range for heavy pressing movements for shoulders is between 4 to 10 reps, which is beneficial for building strength and size without excessive volume.

  • Why are front raises considered important even after performing heavy pressing movements?

    -Front raises are considered important because they target the front deltoids specifically in a lateral plane movement, which is different from the multi-head stimulation provided by pressing movements.

  • What is the advantage of using a rope for front raises compared to dumbbells?

    -Using a rope for front raises provides stability and allows for a slower negative, which can increase the intensity and focus on the movement, potentially leading to a better pump and muscle activation.

  • What is the recommended rep range for lateral plane exercises like lateral raises?

    -The recommended rep range for lateral plane exercises like lateral raises is between 12 to 20 reps, which helps to build muscle endurance and definition.

  • Why might someone's rear delts be underdeveloped despite proper back training?

    -Even with proper back training, someone's rear delts might be underdeveloped if they are not engaging the muscles with enough intensity or if they are not performing exercises specifically targeting the rear delts, such as cable flies or reverse pec deck.

  • What are some intensity techniques that can be used to further stimulate shoulder growth?

    -Some intensity techniques that can be used to stimulate shoulder growth include drop sets, forced reps with a partner's help, and controlled partial reps, which can increase the time under tension and muscle fiber recruitment.

  • How often should one train their shoulders to take advantage of their fast recovery?

    -One can train their shoulders more frequently, potentially every other day, focusing on the lagging deltoid head to stimulate growth, due to the shoulders' ability to recover quickly from intense training sessions.

Outlines

00:00

πŸ’ͺ Shoulder Development for Aesthetics and Intimidation

The speaker, Jo, emphasizes the importance of well-developed shoulders in bodybuilding and aesthetics. They discuss the impact of genetics on shoulder width and share personal experience with shoulder training. Jo introduces a seated dumbbell shoulder press as an effective exercise, highlighting the significance of a slow negative phase for muscle stimulation. They recommend a rep range of 4 to 10 and stress the importance of progression over time. Jo also touches on the role of heavy pressing movements in shoulder development and the need for a balance between intensity and volume in training.

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πŸ‹οΈβ€β™‚οΈ Targeting Front Deltoids with Rope Variations

Jo explains the necessity of including front raises in a shoulder workout routine, despite the involvement of front delts in pressing movements. They advocate for the rope variation of front raises due to its stability and ability to control the negative phase for increased intensity. Jo suggests a rep range of 12 to 20 for these exercises and encourages focusing on form and contraction. They also discuss the benefits of progressing in weight slowly and consistently over time, aiming for a 25% increase as a significant milestone.

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πŸ€Έβ€β™‚οΈ Lateral Raises for Medial Deltoid Growth

The paragraph focuses on exercises for the medial deltoids, with Jo recommending lateral raises as a staple movement. They discuss the effectiveness of different lateral raise variations, including the standing cable variation, and the importance of intensity and contraction over heavy weight. Jo advises on a rep range of 12 to 20, emphasizing the need for consistency and proper form. They also mention the potential for higher training frequency for shoulders due to their fast recovery capabilities and androgen receptor density.

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πŸ•Ί Isolating and Progressing Rear Deltoids

Jo addresses the challenges of training rear delts, suggesting that proper back training can significantly reduce the need for direct rear delt exercises. They recommend the reverse pec deck and cable fly as effective exercises for those who struggle to feel the rear delts during training. The paragraph also covers the importance of training intensity and the use of higher frequencies and volume for shoulder development. Jo concludes with general advice on shoulder training, encouraging the use of incline pressing and intensity techniques to maximize shoulder growth.

πŸ‹οΈβ€β™€οΈ Comprehensive Shoulder Training Tips

In the final paragraph, Jo provides additional tips for shoulder training, including maintaining high rep ranges for isolation exercises, incorporating incline pressing for additional volume, and taking advantage of the shoulders' fast recovery rate. They stress the importance of proper exercise selection, intensity, and progression. Jo also advises on the importance of training other muscles that indirectly affect the shoulders, such as the back, and concludes by inviting feedback from the audience on future video topics.

Mindmap

Keywords

πŸ’‘Shoulders

Shoulders are a key muscle group that significantly contribute to the overall appearance of one's physique. In the context of the video, they are described as one of the first things people notice, affecting perceptions of attractiveness or intimidation. The script emphasizes the importance of well-developed shoulders for bodybuilders and those concerned with their physique.

πŸ’‘Genetics

Genetics play a role in determining one's natural muscle structure, including the shoulders. The speaker acknowledges the influence of genetics on shoulder development but also stresses the importance of training. The video suggests that while genetics can provide a foundation, consistent and targeted training is crucial for optimal shoulder development.

πŸ’‘Seated Dumbbell Shoulder Press

This is a specific exercise mentioned in the script for developing the shoulders. It involves pressing dumbbells while seated with the backrest inclined, which provides stability and comfort. The script highlights the importance of a slow negative (lowering phase) in the movement to increase the intensity and effectiveness of the exercise.

πŸ’‘Negatives

In the context of weight training, 'negatives' refer to the lowering phase of a lift. The script emphasizes the importance of slowing down this phase to increase the time under tension, which can lead to greater muscle stimulation and growth. This technique is particularly highlighted for shoulder exercises like the dumbbell shoulder press.

πŸ’‘Front Raises

Front raises are a type of exercise that targets the anterior (front) deltoid muscles. Despite some belief that front raises might be redundant after pressing exercises, the script argues for their necessity due to their unique movement pattern that isolates the front deltoids. The rope variation of front raises is recommended for its stability and control.

πŸ’‘Lateral Raises

Lateral raises are exercises that target the lateral (side) deltoid muscles. The script suggests that these exercises should be performed with a higher rep range to focus on muscle endurance and hypertrophy. It also mentions the importance of maintaining proper form to prevent other muscles, like the traps, from taking over.

πŸ’‘Rear Delt Flies

Rear delt flies are exercises designed to target the posterior (rear) deltoid muscles. The script notes that if one's back training is comprehensive, the rear delts may not require as much direct work. However, if targeted, exercises like cable flies or reverse pec deck can be effective. The emphasis is on feeling the contraction and not just lifting heavy weights.

πŸ’‘Progression

Progression in the context of the video refers to the gradual increase in weight, intensity, or complexity of exercises to promote muscle growth. The script provides examples of how to progress in exercises like the seated dumbbell shoulder press and lateral raises by starting with a manageable weight and increasing it as one's strength improves.

πŸ’‘Androgen Receptor Density

Androgen receptor density refers to the number of androgen receptors in a muscle group, which can influence how muscles respond to training and hormones. The script mentions that shoulders have a high androgen receptor density, which may allow them to recover faster and grow more in response to training, especially when intensity is high.

πŸ’‘Incline Pressing

Incline pressing is a variation of the bench press where the bench is angled upwards, targeting the upper chest and front deltoids. The script suggests that incline pressing can be beneficial for shoulder development, especially for the front delts, and can be incorporated into a routine to provide additional volume without overtaxing the chest muscles.

Highlights

Shoulders are one of the most defining parts of a man's physique and can be a key indicator of attractiveness or intimidation.

The speaker has genetically good shoulders and emphasizes the importance of training them hard for well-developed physique.

Seated dumbbell shoulder press with a bench cocked back at an incline is recommended for heavy pressing movements.

Taking a 3-second negative on dumbbell shoulder presses can significantly enhance the burn and effectiveness of the exercise.

Heavy pressing movements should be done in a 4 to 10 rep range for optimal shoulder development.

Progression in heavy pressing exercises is achieved by increasing the weight as one's ability to perform more reps improves.

Front raises, especially with a rope, are emphasized for targeting the front deltoids with more stability and control.

Lateral raises are crucial for shoulder development, with the rope variation offering a stable and intense exercise.

The importance of high rep ranges (12 to 20 reps) for lateral plane exercises like lateral raises is highlighted for muscle growth.

Consistency in lateral raises and gradual progression over time is key to seeing improvements in shoulder development.

Rear delts can be sufficiently developed through proper back training, reducing the need for direct rear delt exercises.

Exercises like cable fly or reverse pec deck are recommended for directly targeting rear delts when needed.

The reverse pec deck exercise is described as effective for feeling the rear delt contraction and progression.

Cable flies are noted as an excellent exercise for targeting rear delts with tension throughout the movement.

High rep ranges are also recommended for rear delt exercises to focus on form and contraction over heavy weights.

Incline pressing is suggested as a way to add extra volume to shoulder training without overtaxing the chest.

Shoulders' fast recovery due to androgen receptor density allows for higher intensity and volume in training.

High-frequency training and intensity techniques like drop sets can be beneficial for shoulder development.

Proper training of other muscles that also engage the shoulders, such as presses and back movements, can contribute to overall shoulder growth.

The speaker concludes by emphasizing the importance of consistent, intense training and progression for developing well-defined shoulders.

Transcripts

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what's up guys Jo here back with another

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video and today we're going to be

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talking about shoulders now shoulders

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are one of the most defining part of any

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man's physique right there the first

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thing that women look at and think oh

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he's kind of hot as [Β __Β ] or the first

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thing men look at and be like oh he's

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kind of intimidating or just in general

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when you see somebody with some type of

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good build there is some level of

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shoulder development there always

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whether it's in the adults or whether

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it's in them having a genetically wide

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clavicle bone um so yeah shoulders are

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relatively important they're one of the

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things that can really make a physique

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especially in bodybuilding so obviously

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it is very important for you to have

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well-developed shoulders if you care

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about the way your physique looks in

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general right and being somebody that

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has like genetically pretty pretty good

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shoulders I think I'm qualified to talk

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about this I know a lot of it genetics

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but I do train my shoulders very hard

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and very well so yeah we're going to get

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right into it so the first exercise for

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getting good shoulders is just a heavy

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pressing movement now there's a lot of

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effective heavy pressing movements that

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are working to getting you big shoulders

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but what I personally have found to be

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very effective as of late is just doing

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a seated dumbbell shoulder press where

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the bench is cocked back one incline so

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it's a lot more comfortable and you have

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a lot more stability and instead of just

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kind of going through the motions going

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fast and whatnot taking a 3 second

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negative to really feel the burn makes a

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huge [Β __Β ] difference now I know the

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negative is very important on any

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exercise but some exercises really

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slowing the negative down feels like a

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huge difference like hamstring curls for

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example I don't really feel too much of

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a difference when I slow the negative

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down but on these dumbbell shoulder

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presses when I do there's a huge

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different and it just feels great in

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general and you can generally do this in

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I'd say the 4 to 10 rep range um I think

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when it comes to the heavy pressing

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movements especially for shoulders just

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having something that you can do

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relatively heavy and not insanely

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insanely high volume is very beneficial

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IAL especially when you consider the

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other exercises in this video that are

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generally taken with a higher rep

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approach you don't really need a crazy

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amount of volume with this you just need

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three to four sets of a good heavy press

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with very high intensity um and for

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improving or progression over time

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started a weight that I can do for four

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reps then I'll stay on it until I can do

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10 reps on it right whether I need to do

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this with a spotter or I get this done

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myself right just progress over time try

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to beat what you did last time in the

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grand scheme of things just generally

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improve on the lift and you will see

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amazing progress you'll hit all three of

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your delts but this is mostly a front

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delt movement moving on to some more

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front delts is front raises um a lot of

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people think it's redundant to have a

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front raise and a pressing movement in

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your exercise because your front delts

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are hit very well um I've and this is

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not to offend anyone um but I've rarely

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ever seen see anybody with actual good

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real developed shoulders say that I have

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very insane shoulder genetics as you can

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see in this and this [Β __Β ] is only pulled

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halfway up so if I was to overdo

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something in my shoulders you would

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certainly see it by overdevelopment and

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it's not the case having a heavy press

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and a and a fly are both mandatory the

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heavy press is going to hit a mix of all

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three heads while you're pressing but a

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front raise is more of a lateral plane

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exercise where you're going to be raised

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there're two different types of s imuses

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and now for some people they may not

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both be necessary but the average person

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I do think should be doing both of these

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now A A variation that I like in

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particular for front raises is the Rope

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version with the Rope version you can

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just walk out stand still and because of

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the way the Rope is set your body is not

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going to be shaking when you raise the

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the Rope up just like with the dumbbells

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right cuz with the dumbbells you'll find

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a lot of instability and it'll kind of

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take away from what you can focus on in

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the movement but when you change it to

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the Rope variation your whole body is

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stable and you can really feel it on

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everything in addition to that the Rope

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variation does allow you to slow your

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negative down so if you want to add some

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extra intensity to the end of your sets

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or you want to do all of your reps with

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slowed negatives that is a plus and the

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burn is just amazing at I would say the

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burn is like slightly better than the

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dumbbell variation which the burn

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doesn't matter too much but the burn

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like and the pump does does have some

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impact on muscle growth oh no that's

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extra nonsense I just prefer the Rog

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variation I typically do this for 12 to

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20 reps I'll just pick a weight that I

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can do for like 12 stick on it until I

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can do 20 now with these lateral plane

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exercises which is pretty much the rest

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of the exercises for the video it will

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take a pretty long time to progress on

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them so don't rush it just go in try

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your best give your best effort try to

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progress in the long run eat enough fuel

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your body and you will see progress in

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your doubts if you go from like a 20 lb

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lateral raise to a 25 lb lateral raise

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that was essentially a 25% increase so

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you made a lot of progress so when it

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comes to these lateral plane exercises

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don't rust the process just go through

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the motions give it your all and you

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will see good progress now we're going

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to be moving on to the medial D and um

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it's really easy this is very silver

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spim everybody knows you just find a

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lateral raise it does not matter which

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lateral raise you do as long as you do a

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good lateral raise with intensity you

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will be fine shoulders are a muscle that

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can recover faster and due to their

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Androgen receptor density they can often

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respond pretty well to proper training

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or just training intensity in general so

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you don't honestly need the most fancy

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exercise if you want to take something

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more optimal go ahead but if you want to

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opt for something basic like dumbbell

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lateral razors that works too but an

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optimal variation that a lot of people

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who tend to prefer in fancy these days

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is is the standing cable variation you

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kind of hold on to the pole stand get it

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with your other hand take a slight lean

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and you raise outward and the

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contraction is amazing the stretch is

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amazing the tension is good all the way

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through it just may be hard to move up

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on weight in this or just do heavy

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weight in general but that's not the

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point with these lateral exercises the

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point is to really bias the de without

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wearing too much about weight you'll see

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improvements over time if you just stay

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consistent but yeah that's a variation

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most people think

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sometimes I do it with a plate when I

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can't find any dumbbells sometimes I

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just do the regular dumbbell L A rays

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and sometimes I do the machine one which

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is another variation that I really like

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because the contraction feels good and I

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can really feel it a lot deeper in my

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lateral delts then I can do like a

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dumbbell lateral raise so yeah just find

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a lateral raise variation that you will

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enjoy because you'll train it harder

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stay consistent and progress over time

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and you will see growth um generally

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it's the same thing with like with the

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front raises a 12 to 20 reprint so you

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can prevent other muscles from taking

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over goes a very long way and the same

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general approach for progression is here

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too you started something you can do for

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12 stick with it until you can do it for

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20 and then find another way that you

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can only do for 12 and repeat the

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process now when it comes to rear delts

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there is a bit of let's say difficulty

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in controversy first and foremost if you

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really properly hit your back and I'm

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not talking about just oh yeah I'm

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hitting it good like the average person

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who does even me I hit it good but I

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wouldn't say hit an amazing if you learn

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how to really hit your back amazing like

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whenever you do a row really squeeze

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that [Β __Β ] as hard as possible like if

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you can get like a an experienced

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bodybuilder to train back with you one

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day do it because you'll really see how

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the [Β __Β ] your back is supposed to work

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when you properly train your back your

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rear delts are cluster [Β __Β ] and they

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really don't need a whole lot of direct

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work the main area people run into

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problems with rear delts is that a

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really huge chunk of your rear delts is

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supposed to come from your back training

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but it's very hard to really get that

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back training down in general you

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generally want to however you want to do

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it whether you want to do it flare to

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hit your upper back or like this tit

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your lats whenever you contract squeeze

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your back as hard as can I'm not talking

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about just a really good squeeze but

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literally as far back and as hard as you

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can take your exercises to failure with

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intensity and you will see insane growth

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in your rear delts but an exercise to

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directly hit them and complement this

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proper back training is something like a

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cable fly or a reverse pec deck or a

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bent overfly now people typically have a

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lot of problems feeling the bent

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overflow so I'm not going to recommend

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that one but the two exercises that did

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work in terms of like being able to feel

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it and progress were the bent overfly in

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the cable fly not the bent overfly but

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the reverse Peg deck the reverse p tech

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deck is very simple you just sit set it

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up go back and focus on actively

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squeezing and flexing your shoulder once

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you get this to parallel like once you

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get your wrists paralleled with your

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shoulders squeeze your rear delt and you

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will feel it the cable Del [Β __Β ] um it's

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probably the best variation like some

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guy came up and asked me hey how do I

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hit the back of my shoulders because it

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it's really hard I told him to do the

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rear delt cable fly and he didn't he was

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like Bueno cuz you know he didn't speak

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much English but or he spoke English but

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he was like Spanish but that's besides

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the point the reverse cable flies

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they're very good you will feel it in

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your shoulder there's tension all the

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way through and they're just an amazing

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exercise same thing with this 12 to 20

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rep range really take your time focusing

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on the form like more so on the rear

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delts than anything because they're

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typically the most

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underdeveloped muscle out of all the

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delts check your ego really focus on

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getting the form right that first two

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months getting an insane contraction and

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then you can really nail that training

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intensity um trying to go up on weight

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whenever you can right cuz it will be

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slow since this is a lateral plane

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exercise but yeah generally it's not

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that hard and once again the same

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progression protocol after you get past

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the initial learning curve of just

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hitting rear delts start at something

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you can hit for 12 reps stick with it

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until you can do 20 and go up now that

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what I pretty much gave you a simple

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guide on exercises that you need to do

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those are the only three sl4 exercises

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that you need here are just some other

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General things to elaborate on your

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flying movements keep them in that

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higher rep range rep exercises like

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raises your lateral raises your rear

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delt flies when you start to go heavy to

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the point where you can do below 12 reps

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or below eight reps with them what will

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happen is your traps will take over and

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it'll kind of take away from your

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shoulders and this is not a bad thing

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but when you want to isolate a muscle

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like the shoulders that is incredibly

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important for making your physique pop

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we're going to try to keep this as

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strict as possible

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so in order to achieve that keep the

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Reps on your flying movements high they

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are meant to be higher rep movements

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where you just get a [Β __Β ] ton of blood

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in the shoulder with a nice solid

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control Tempo you really don't want your

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traps taking over this because you're

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going to have your own trap exercises

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you do not need your traps taken over an

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additional tip is to have have more

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incline pressing in your routine I'm

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like very heavy incline Enthusiast I

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don't really do any type of flat

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pressing anymore um because incline

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press one it's shaer on your shoulders

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so the less injuries you have the less

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time you're spent out of the gym the

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more time spent in the gym meaning the

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more time you spend actually grinding

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breaking down muscles able to grow and

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whatnot but also it's just

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inconsequential extra volume for your

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shoulders um as long as you don't

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overtrain the [Β __Β ] out of your chest or

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you don't don't overdo your sets of

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incline pressing it will add something

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to your shoulders it'll also make your

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front delt a lot stronger so you're able

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to effectively progress shoulder press

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even better and Progressive overload

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will always help you grow more muscle

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that's one of the main principles so it

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just has a bunch of positive effects on

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your shoulders in general and though

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your incline presses is mainly for your

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front dels it will actually hit just a

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little bit of your lateral delt as well

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and some rear delt but yeah trying to

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have more in CL pressing as just an

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inconsequential way to get some extra

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like shoulder work in there is very

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smart as well and another little thing

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to note is um I'm going to elaborate a

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little more on something um your

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shoulders are probably one of the

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fastest recovering muscles in your body

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simply due to their Androgen receptor

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density um this is why when you call

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people out for steroids the first thing

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you look at is their shoulders because

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of this Androgen receptive density your

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shoulders will grow the fastest in

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response to increased hormones so when

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somebody has shoulders that are so

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proportionally big that it kind of

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dwarfs the rest of their physique that's

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when you can typically tell that there

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ear roids so moving on with this

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information what does this tell us the

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shoulders can probably take a little bit

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more intensity and volume so don't be

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afraid to implement a lot of intensity

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techniques or even spam shoulders like a

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lot of people will have an approach

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where for whatever lagging delt they

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have they'll do like whatever fly

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movement to hit that lagging delt

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they'll do it every other day and I've

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seen it work very well higher frequency

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goes well for every single muscle there

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are studies to prove this but especially

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for shoulders that's something that can

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recover fast and can actually benefit

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from this it is not a bad idea just pick

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whatever delt that you're lagging on the

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most or you want to see the most

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progress a lot of people want to see

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most progress and their lateral delt I

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might try to do this with my rear delt

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right

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do it every other day maybe three sets

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because you're doing two to three sets

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every other day so you don't overdo it

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and you will probably see amazing gains

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um in addition to that the intensity

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techniques don't feel don't be afraid to

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add

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um drop sets or have someone like help

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you push the the the you know the

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dumbbell up when you're doing lateral

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raises or like very smart and controlled

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partial reps do the partial reps in such

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a way to where your traps are not going

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to take over

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and just finding ways to really cluster

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[Β __Β ] your shoulders you do not have to

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go easy on your shoulders you can really

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cluster [Β __Β ] them in the training

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because they can handle it and they will

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be able to recover so take advantage of

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your shoulder's ability to recover and

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just get stronger and use it to progress

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and get bigger shoulders all in all know

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getting shoulders is not that hard you

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just need proper pretty simple but

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effective exercise selection that you

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will train intensely and progress over

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over time take advantage of the fact

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that your shoulders can recover properly

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learn how to properly hit the other

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muscles that also hit your shoulders so

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your presses and your back movements and

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you will get a lot of shoulder growth

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from that as well and don't be afraid

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like I said to really cluster [Β __Β ] them

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because of how fast they can recover

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getting um welldeveloped shoulders is

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not a hard thing um if you have bad

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genetics for them hey you have bad

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genetics for them but you can generally

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improve them without an insane amount of

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difficulty if you just do it right

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getting

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shoulders consistently train Hard

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Exercise selection you got it but um

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yeah that's pretty much it let me know

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what videos you guys want to see next

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and I'm out

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