Plato, Crito | Crito's Arguments with Socrates | Philosophy Core Concepts
Summary
TLDRIn this educational video, Dr. Gregory Sadler explores the arguments presented by Cedo in Plato's dialogue 'Crito,' where Cedo urges Socrates to escape his impending execution. Cedo's multifaceted case includes personal loss, public perception, moral obligation, and the well-being of Socrates' children. Dr. Sadler dissects these arguments, highlighting the philosophical complexities and Socrates' potential rebuttals, inviting viewers to ponder the intersection of ethics, law, and personal integrity.
Takeaways
- π Dr. Gregory Sadler is a professor of philosophy and founder of reason iio, an educational consulting company.
- π He has been studying and teaching philosophy for over 20 years and aims to help people understand classic philosophical texts.
- π₯ The video is part of a series where Dr. Sadler discusses core concepts from important philosophical texts in short videos.
- π The dialogue 'The Credo' by Plato is discussed, focusing on arguments made by the character Credo regarding Socrates' impending execution.
- π Credo argues that Socrates should flee Athens after being sentenced to death, as the trial was unfair.
- π€ Credo's first argument is personal, stating that Socrates' death would be a great loss to him as a unique and irreplaceable friend.
- π£οΈ A secondary argument is about public perception, suggesting that people will think poorly of Credo and his friends if they don't help Socrates escape.
- πͺ Credo also argues from a standpoint of expediency, claiming that the escape plan is ready and that no one will be harmed by Socrates' escape.
- π He raises moral concerns, suggesting that it is wrong for Socrates to allow himself to be executed, thus playing into his enemies' hands.
- π¨βπ¦ Credo points out the responsibility Socrates has towards his children, arguing that his execution would leave them without a father and at a disadvantage.
- ποΈββοΈ Lastly, Credo challenges Socrates' values, implying that fleeing is an act of bravery and that staying to be executed is cowardice.
Q & A
Who is Dr. Gregory Sadler?
-Dr. Gregory Sadler is a professor of philosophy, president, and founder of an educational consulting company called Reason IO, which aims to put philosophy into practice.
What is the main focus of Dr. Sadler's educational content?
-Dr. Sadler's educational content focuses on helping students and lifelong learners understand and engage with classic philosophical texts, particularly by breaking down complex concepts into more digestible formats.
What is the context of the dialogue in which Cedo is a character?
-The dialogue is from Plato's work named 'Crito' after the main interlocutor. It takes place after Socrates' trial, where he has been sentenced to death, and explores the arguments for and against his escape.
Why does Cedo argue that Socrates should escape from Athens?
-Cedo argues that Socrates should escape because he has been unfairly sentenced to death, and Cedo, as a friend and student, does not want to lose him. He also believes it is morally wrong for Socrates to allow himself to be executed.
What are the main arguments Cedo presents to convince Socrates to escape?
-Cedo presents several arguments: the personal loss he would experience, the potential negative public perception of his and other friends' characters, the readiness of the escape plan, and the moral obligation to flee to protect his children and act bravely.
How does Cedo's argument about personal loss reflect his view of Socrates?
-Cedo's argument about personal loss indicates that he values Socrates not for material reasons but for his integrity, reflectiveness, and teaching abilities, considering him irreplaceable and unique.
What is the significance of Cedo's mention of public perception in his arguments?
-Cedo's mention of public perception highlights the social and reputational consequences of their actions. He is concerned that people will view him and his friends as cowards if they do not help Socrates escape.
How does Cedo's argument about the escape plan being ready relate to the concept of expediency?
-Cedo's argument that the escape plan is ready relates to the concept of expediency by suggesting that the practicalities and immediate opportunity to act should outweigh other considerations, such as the moral or legal implications of fleeing.
What is the moral argument Cedo makes regarding Socrates' potential execution?
-Cedo argues that it is morally wrong for Socrates to stay and be executed because it would be colluding with his enemies' intentions to silence him, and it would be neglecting his duty as a father to protect his children.
How does Cedo's argument about bravery challenge Socrates' philosophical stance?
-Cedo challenges Socrates' stance by suggesting that allowing himself to be executed would be an act of cowardice, contrary to Socrates' teachings about the importance of bravery and moral action.
What is the underlying theme in Cedo's arguments regarding the importance of public image?
-The underlying theme in Cedo's arguments is the tension between personal integrity and the societal pressure to conform to public expectations and maintain a positive image, even when it conflicts with one's moral beliefs.
Outlines
π Introduction to Dr. Gregory Sadler's Philosophy Series
Dr. Gregory Sadler, a professor of philosophy and founder of Reason IIO, introduces a new series of short videos aimed at explaining core concepts from significant philosophical texts in an accessible manner. With over 20 years of experience in teaching philosophy, Dr. Sadler addresses the common difficulties people face when reading classical philosophical works, such as complex language or structure. He has been producing longer lecture videos on YouTube and now shifts to a format that focuses on one core concept per video. The series begins with an exploration of Plato's dialogue 'The Credo,' where the character Credo argues for Socrates to escape from prison despite his impending execution. Dr. Sadler outlines Credo's main arguments, which include the personal loss to him, the potential damage to their reputations, the readiness of their escape plan, and the moral implications of Socrates' decision to stay.
π Analyzing Credo's Arguments for Socrates' Escape
In the second paragraph, Dr. Sadler delves deeper into the arguments presented by Credo for Socrates to flee Athens. Credo's points include the moral wrongness of Socrates' execution, the risk to his children's well-being, and the perceived cowardice in not resisting his fate. Credo also emphasizes the public perception and reputation at stake, suggesting that not helping Socrates would make them appear cowardly. Dr. Sadler highlights the complexity of Credo's case, which is not solely based on a single argument but rather a combination of personal, moral, and societal considerations. The discussion sets the stage for further analysis of Socrates' response and the philosophical implications of his potential escape.
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Keywords
π‘Philosophy
π‘Classic Philosophical Texts
π‘Socrates
π‘The Crito
π‘Crito
π‘Escape Plan
π‘Integrity
π‘Morality
π‘Public Perception
π‘Bravery
Highlights
Dr. Gregory Sadler introduces himself as a professor of philosophy and founder of reason iio.
Sadler has over 20 years of experience in studying and teaching philosophy.
He discusses the challenges people face in reading classic philosophical texts.
Sadler's educational approach focuses on making philosophy accessible to students and lifelong learners.
He mentions producing long lecture videos on YouTube that have been found useful by viewers.
The current video is part of a new series focusing on one core concept from a philosophical text.
The dialogue 'The Credo' by Plato is introduced, featuring Socrates' trial and impending execution.
Credo, a rich man and student of Socrates, proposes an escape plan to Socrates.
Sadler outlines the main arguments Credo advances to convince Socrates to flee Athens.
Credo's first argument is that Socrates' death would be a great personal loss to him.
Credo argues that Socrates' escape is morally right and staying is wrong.
The plan to escape is ready, and Credo believes it is the best course of action.
Credo suggests that Socrates' enemies will be satisfied if he is executed, which is wrong.
Credo raises the issue of Socrates' children, arguing that he would be a bad father if he does not flee.
Credo claims that Socrates' acceptance of execution is an act of cowardice, contrary to his teachings on bravery.
The video explores the tension between public perception and the actual moral implications of Socrates' decision.
Sadler concludes by summarizing Credo's strong case for Socrates to flee Athens and defy the law.
Transcripts
hi this is Dr Gregory Sadler I'm a
professor of philosophy and the
president and founder of an educational
consulting company called reason iio
where we put philosophy into
practice I've studied and taught
Philosophy for over 20 years and I find
that many people run into difficulties
reading classic philosophical texts
sometimes it's the way things are said
or how the text is structured but the
concepts themselves are not always that
complicated as and that's where I come
in to help students and lifelong
Learners I've been producing longer
lecture videos and posting them to
YouTube many viewers say they find them
useful what you're currently watching is
part of a new series of shorter videos
each of them focused on One Core concept
from an important philosophical text I
hope you find it useful as
well in his dialogue The Credo named
after the main interlocutor of the
dialogue with Socrates Plato has that
char character provides some arguments
for a position that that he's advancing
in relation to Socrates trial Socrates
impending execution and the possibility
of Escape cedo is a rich man from out of
town and he's a student of Socrates and
also a friend and so he comes in and he
says look I've bribed the Jailer we have
the the escape plan in place you just
have to come with us and Socrates says
to him well you know let's let's think
about this so Credo is trying to
convince Socrates that it's the right
thing to do and I've put here on the
board the main arguments that crto is
advancing you notice that he doesn't
just have one single point that he just
harps on over and over again although
there is going to be a Common Thread
running through all of these and we're
going to look at um Socrates response to
that in some of the other core concept
videos about this so Credo wants to to
get Socrates to leave Athens this is his
main point Socrates should flee Athens
he's been sentenced to death the trial
was you know rather unfair and Socrates
said look I'm not going to get a a good
trial from you so I'm going to use this
as a a talking point piece
um you had your chance Athens that's all
discussed in the apology so crto says
look
Socrates you should leave now now
remember Socrates is an old man he's
lived in Athens all of his life except
for being a military campaigns um cedo
is a rich man from another Greek city
state thessaly in this case and Credo is
going to make some some arguments so the
first argument that he makes is an
interesting one he says look your death
is going to be a great loss to me you're
the kind of friend that I can't easily
replace and what does he mean by that he
means not that well you're a rich friend
or you're well connected or anything
like that because Socrates isn't instead
what he means is you're somebody who has
Integrity you're somebody who is
reflective you're somebody who can teach
you really one-of a kind Socrates and I
don't want to lose you so that's an
interesting argument and you know you
would think that Credo could just stick
with that but instead he moves on
immediately
to and be
what are people going to think here I am
a rich guy we've got other friends that
are rich as well and we would put
ourselves out for just about anybody are
they going to say they really didn't
like Socrates they must not have cared
for for him because they valued their
wealth more than they valued the
opportunity to bribe the Jailer and get
him out of
jail now notice that that's making the
Assumption on the part of those people
that given the opportunity Socrates will
go along with it Socrates isn't going to
go along with it and that's one of the
weaknesses to to credo's position and
we're going to come back to this people
will think uh thing in in a few minutes
another argument that he gives he says
look the plan is ready so this is an
argument what from what we might call
expediency or or active possibility he's
saying I've already bribed the Jailer
we've already got the Escape Plan ready
don't worry about us you know the the
people of Athens are not going to be
able to hurt us they're not going to be
able to to attack our reputation if we
get you out of here we're going to be in
a in another Greek city state and we'll
be okay and none of your friends here
are going to suffer because of it so
that's a third argument being
given the
fourth which is the most interesting the
one that's going to be the sticking
point that's going to get Socrates um
reframing the argument CTO goes on and
he says oh by the way it's wrong for you
to stay here and allow yourself to be
executed morally wrong not just it's
it's imprudent or not profitable or a
bad idea not just people are going to
say stuff about us not just it's going
to be you know a real um loss to to me
and to other people who love you but
Socrates you're doing the wrong thing by
actually staying here and play or Plato
has Credo give three different reasons
for
this one is this is a very interesting
one look Socrates if you stay here
you're doing exactly what your enemies
intended they're they wanted to silence
you they've wanted to silence you for a
long time now they're finally going to
get the chance and you're playing right
into their
hands so you're doing something wrong
why because you're collaborating with
somebody else who's trying to do
something wrong namely to
you so that's one another very
interesting argument Socrates you have
children if you allow yourself to be
executed who's going to look after your
kids and you know nowadays we might say
well you know your your family structure
or you know at worst the orphanage or uh
Child Protective Services or somebody
will step in and take care of them but
you know uh in ancient societies to be
an orphan was really to be at a
disadvantage so by allowing these other
people and the legal system to in effect
cause his death he is putting his sons
his young not yet developed you know not
yet uh fully educated Sons at risk and
that's wrong for him to do he's being a
bad father by not fleeing to to to you
know some other place where presumably
his sons could could join him or he
could send money to his
sons the last one that he says and here
cedo kind of shifts ground and he comes
back to this this second point he says
look Socrates you know you're this guy
who's always talking about the need to
be good and about
bravery and this is not the act of a
brave man just to you know accept it and
and allow these people to kill you you
should you know you should go and and
try to do everything you can you should
you know he's not uh obviously in the
the 19th or 20th century or 21st century
so he can't say rage rage against the
dying of the light but in effect he's
saying something very similar s rates
you can't take this lying down because
that's the that's an act of cowardice
almost immediately CTO shifts to saying
and people are going to think that we're
a bunch of cowards too because we didn't
help you out and you know look we are
helping you out and you're not
cooperating with us and all of that goes
back to
this people will
think and worrying about public
perception public reputation Public
Image
uh rather than worrying about what the
actuality or the facts of the case
really are cedo is recurring to saying
look you know most people are going to
just say these guys were too cowardly
they didn't have the guts to try this
daring maneuver and get Socrates out of
prison so he's you know making a pretty
strong case for this idea that Socrates
should flee Athens he should break the
rules he should violate the laws of his
city which have under which he's been
found guilty and he's been sentenced to
death
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