THE DARK SIDE OF NOEL GALLAGHER: Oasis & The Real People

James Hargreaves Guitar
4 Aug 202122:49

Summary

TLDRこのビデオでは、オアシスバンドとリバプールのバンド「リアルピープル」の間の関係について語られています。兄弟のクリスとトニー・グリフィスによって率いられたリアルピープルは、オアシスの初期の影響力とトレーニングに大きく貢献し、彼らをスーパーグループに成長させる鍵を握っていました。彼らはデモテープの製作を手伝い、オアシスの曲作りに影響を与えました。しかし、ノエル・ギャラガーによる詐欺的な行為と権利の独占、そしてその後の紛争と訴訟が起こりました。この物語は、友情、裏切り、そしてロックの歴史における真実と嘘の複雑さを垣間見せます。

Takeaways

  • 🎶 OasisとReal Peopleは、バンドの初期段階で出会い、Real Peopleの兄弟がOasisの音楽スタイルに大きな影響を与えた。
  • 👥 ChrisとTony Griffithsは、Real Peopleのメンバーで、Oasisのデモテープの製作を手伝った。
  • 🔁 Oasisのライブパフォーマンスを見た後、Griffiths兄弟は彼らのポテンシャルを見出してサポートを申し出た。
  • 📼 Real Peopleのスタジオで3か月間のレコーディングを通じ、Oasisは12曲を録音し、そのうち8曲が有名なデモテープに収録された。
  • 🎵 「Colombia」という曲は、OasisとReal Peopleの共同作業の結果として生まれたが、ノエル・ギャラガー一人のクレジットがなされた。
  • 🤔 Oasisの他の曲にもReal Peopleの影響が見られるが、ノエルはそれらの貢献について公に認めていない。
  • 💬 ノエルはReal Peopleの影響についてメディアで触れたが、彼らへのクレジットを与えることはなかった。
  • 🚫 1994年にノエルはReal Peopleとの関係を断ち、彼らを今後のゲストリストから外すことを命じた。
  • 🤝 Real Peopleはノエルに詐欺的な行為の嫌疑で訴訟を起こし、庭外和解を結んだ。
  • 📖 Tony McCarrollはReal Peopleとの関係とOasisの初期歴史を書いた書籍を出版し、その情報を公開した。

Q & A

  • リアルピープルはいつ結成されたのか?

    -リアルピープルは1988年に結成されました。

  • クリスとトニー・グリフィス兄弟は、 Oasis の音楽にどのような影響を与えたのか?

    -クリスとトニーは、 Oasis の初期のROUGHなボードウォーク時代からパワーハウスバンドに変貌させるためのトレーニングと影響を与えました。

  • リアルピープルはどのアーティストとツアーをサポートしたことがありますか?

    -リアルピープルはスピラルカーペットのUKツアーをサポートしました。

  • ノエル・ギャラガーはリアルピープルのどの作品を購入していたと話していますか?

    -ノエル・ギャラガーはリアルピープルのレコードとアルバムを購入していたと話しています。

  • リアルピープルはどのようにしてオアシスを録音し始めたのですか?

    -レコード会社は興味を示さなかったにもかかわらず、リアルピープルの兄弟がオアシスを録音し、デモテープを作る手伝いを申し出ました。

  • 「ユニオン・ジャック・スワール・ライブ」デモテープにはいくつのトラックが含まれていますか?

    -「ユニオン・ジャック・スワール・ライブ」デモテープには12のトラックが録音されましたが、そのうち8つのトラックがテープに含まれています。

  • 「コロンビア」という曲はどのように作られたのですか?

    -「コロンビア」はバンドのジャムセッションから生まれ、全バンドの貢献が曲に寄与しました。

  • ノエル・ギャラガーは「コロンビア」のどの部分を書いたとされていますか?

    -ノエル・ギャラガーは「コロンビア」の1行の歌詞のみを書いたとされています。

  • リアルピープルはなぜ訴訟を起こしたのですか?

    -リアルピープルは、彼らが Oasis の形成とサウンドに多大な貢献をしたにもかかわらず、ノエル・ギャラガーによって裏切られ、欺かれたため訴訟を起こしました。

  • トニー・マッカロルの書籍「Oasis The Truth」はどのような内容を持っていますか?

    -トニー・マッカロルの書籍「Oasis The Truth」では、リアルピープルが Oasis の初期の影響力とサウンド形成に寄与したと同時に、ノエル・ギャラガーによる裏切りと権利の独り占めについて述べています。

Outlines

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🎶 OASISとリアルピープルの出会い

ビデオでは、OASISとリヴァプールバンド・リアルピープルの物語が語られています。このバンドはクリスとトニー・グリフィス兄弟によって率いられ、彼らはOASISの初期段階の影響力、教育、そして形作りに関わりました。彼らの助言とトレーニングのおかげで、OASISはキング・チュートでアラン・マックギーに感銘を受けるほどのパワーハウスバンドに成長しました。ビデオでは、過去のビデオ同様に、物語を語るだけでなく、情報源も提供しています。リアルピープルは1988年に結成され、1989年にはソニーと契約し、翌年にデビューアルバムをリリースしました。彼らはインスパイラルカーペットの英国ツアーでサポートとして出演し、そこでノエル・ギャラガーとマーク・コーイルと出会い、彼らと連絡を取り続けることになります。

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🎵 「コロンビア」の創作と貢献

第二段落では、OASISの曲「コロンビア」の創作プロセスが焦点となっており、これはリアルピープルとOASISのバンドメンバー全員による共同作業の結果でした。トニー・マッカロルの著書「OASIS the truth」によれば、この曲は最初はライブでのインストルメンタル・ループとして演奏されていたものの、最終的には全員の貢献で完成しました。クリス・グリフィスがメロディーを提案し、リアムがコーラスを書いたとされていますが、ノエル・ギャラガーはそのほとんどを書かなかったとされています。しかし、リリースされた楽曲ではノエルの名前だけがクレジットされています。

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🤔 クレジットと権利の争い

第三段落では、リアルピープルがOASISの成功に多大な貢献をしたにもかかわらず、彼らは適切なクレジットや報酬を受け取ることができませんでした。特に「コロンビア」のクレジット問題や、彼らのデモテープがOASISのシングルB面としてリリースされたことについても触れられています。クリス・グリフィスは、ノエルが彼の貢献を認めてくれると信じていたが、それは叶わなかったと語っています。この問題は、後にリアルピープルがノエルに対して訴訟を起こす原因となりました。

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📜 裁判と解決

第四段落では、リアルピープルがノエルに対して裁判を起こし、権利を主張した過程が描かれています。彼らはノエルとOASISに対して、彼らの貢献に対する適切なクレジットと報酬を求める訴訟を起こしましたが、最終的には和解に終わりました。和解の結果、クリス・グリフィスは「ロックンロールチェア」の共同作曲家としてクレジットされる約定でしたが、それは実現されませんでした。その後、トニー・マッカロルは自分の経験を公表するために本を出版し、リアルピープルの貢献とノエルの背信行為を明かしました。

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🔍 真実と裏切り

最終段落では、ノエル・ギャラガーの行動と、リアルピープルに対する彼の背信行為が評価されています。ノエルは自らが「少しの野郎」であると認め、自分自身の独立性と自己主張を強調しています。しかし、彼の行動はリアルピープルに多大な損害を与え、彼らの貢献が適切に認められることなく、彼らを裏切りました。この物語は、偉大なバンドの形成過程における裏切りと権利の戦い、そして人々の弱さと強さを浮き彫りにするものです。

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Keywords

💡Oasis

Oasisは1990年代に代表的な英国ロックバンドで、ノエル・ギャラガーとリアム・ギャラガーの兄弟が中心的なメンバーを務めました。このビデオでは、彼らの音楽的スタイルと影響力について語り合い、特に初期のOasisがどのように成長し、彼らの音楽がどのように発展したかが焦点となっています。

💡The Real People

The Real Peopleは、クリス・グリフィスとトニー・グリフィス兄弟によって率いられた Liverppol からのバンドです。彼らは Oasis の音楽的成長とスタイルに大きな影響を与え、特にデモテープの製作において重要な役割を果たしました。ビデオでは、彼らがどのように Oasis の初期の音に寄与し、彼らとの関係がどのように発展したかが説明されています。

💡Influence

インフルエンスは、あるアーティストやバンドが他のアーティストやバンドの音楽的スタイルやアプローチに与える影響を指します。ビデオでは、The Real Peopleが Oasis の音楽的スタイルに与えたインフルエンスに焦点が当てられており、彼らがどのように Oasis の音楽を形作ったかが詳細に語られています。

💡Demo Tape

デモテープは、アーティストが自分たちの音楽をプロデューサーやレコード会社に提示するために録音したものです。ビデオでは、The Real Peopleが Oasis のデモテープの製作を手伝ったこと、特に「Union Jack Swirl Live」デモテープの製作プロセスが語されています。

💡Songwriting Credits

ソングライトクレジットは、曲の作詞や作曲を行ったアーティストや作家に与えられるクレジットです。ビデオでは、The Real Peopleが Oasis の曲作りに寄与したにもかかわらず、正しいクレジットがノエル・ギャラガーに集中されているという問題が取り上げられています。

💡Court Case

裁判事件は、法律的な紛争を解決するために裁判所で行われる法的手続きです。ビデオでは、The Real Peopleが Oasis とノエル・ギャラガーに対して裁判を起こし、彼らの寄与に対するクレジットと報酬を求めたことが語されています。

💡Non-Disclosure Agreement (NDA)

秘密保持契約は、特定の情報や知識を公開しないことを誓約する法律文書です。ビデオでは、The Real Peopleが Oasis と合意した NDA について触れており、それが彼らが物語を語ることができるかどうかに影響を与えると説明されています。

💡Supersonic

「Supersonic」は Oasis の曲で、ビデオではこの曲の制作プロセスと、それが The Real People による影響を受けたとされる点が強調されています。また、この曲がどのように Oasis の成功に寄与したかについても語られています。

💡Rocking Chair

「Rocking Chair」は Oasis の別の曲で、ビデオではこの曲が The Real People の作品から影響を受けたとされる点に焦点が当てられています。また、この曲のクレジット問題がどのように解決されたかが説明されています。

💡Betrayal

裏切りとは、信頼関係内で期待や義務を破る行為です。ビデオでは、The Real Peopleが Oasis と特にノエル・ギャラガーに裏切られたと感じた経験について語られており、それが彼らの関係にどのような影響を与えたかが説明されています。

Highlights

Oasis和The Real People的早期故事,以及Griffiths兄弟对Oasis早期发展的影响。

The Real People自1988年以来的历史,以及他们与Oasis的相遇。

Noel Gallagher作为Inspiral Carpets的巡演工作人员与Griffiths兄弟的初次会面。

Griffiths兄弟对Oasis在Boardwalk的小型演出的观察,以及他们对Oasis潜力的认识。

Griffiths兄弟提供录音和制作帮助,帮助Oasis制作他们的第一盘正式演示带。

Oasis在Griffiths的工作室录制了12首歌曲,其中8首出现在著名的Union Jack Swirl Live演示带上。

The Real People对Oasis的音乐风格和歌曲结构的影响。

关于歌曲'Columbia'的创作过程和各方的贡献,以及Noel Gallagher在其中的作用。

Noel Gallagher对The Real People的不满,以及他在机场决定不再与他们合作的事件。

The Real People对Oasis歌曲'Supersonic'和'Live Forever'的影响。

Noel Gallagher在歌曲'Rocking Chair'中未给予Griffiths兄弟创作信用的情况。

Oasis的歌曲'Don't Go Away'与The Real People的歌曲'Feel the Pain'之间的相似性。

The Real People决定对Noel Gallagher提起诉讼,以争取他们应得的创作信用和报酬。

The Real People与Noel Gallagher的庭外和解,以及他们未能获得应有的歌曲创作信用。

Tony McCarroll未签署保密协议,并通过他的书揭露了Oasis和The Real People之间的历史。

Noel Gallagher在纪录片'Supersonic'中对自己性格的描述,以及他对The Real People的态度。

Transcripts

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today's video is one that i've been

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asked for multiple times it's the story

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of oasis and a liverpool band called the

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real people fronted and run by two

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brothers chris and tony griffiths

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the paths of oasis and the real people

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crossed very early on in the oasis story

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and the griffiths brothers were central

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to teaching training and reshaping the

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very early quite sloppy boardwalk era

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oasis into the powerhouse that they

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became

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without the influence input and training

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from the real people oasis might never

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have blown away alan mcgee when he heard

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them at king tutu

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they might never have even been signed

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now as i've done in a few videos in the

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past

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rather than just telling the story i

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want to give you guys my sources so

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we're going to start at the beginning

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with an extract from getting high by

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paulo hewitt

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the real people a liverpool group have

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been going since 1988

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they've been formed by two brothers

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chris and tony griffiths

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in december 89 they signed to sony and a

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year later their debut album was

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released

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the real people were offered a support

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slot with the in spiral carpets on their

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uk tour

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and it was there on that tour that chris

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and tony griffiths met noel gallagher

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the roadie for the inspiral carpets and

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mark coyle their sound engineer

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the inspiral carpets were all right tony

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griffiths confirms

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but noel and mark coyle

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were dead sound we got talking and all

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that and after a few gigs i found out

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that noel was actually into our band he

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bought our records and our album and

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seen us a few times

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shortly after this meeting noel and mark

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were fired from the inspiral carpets but

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they stayed in touch with the griffiths

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the griffiths came to watch and listen

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to oasis performing a really small gig

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at the boardwalk in manchester

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when the griffiths brothers arrived at

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the boardwalk

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tony spotted john bryce who used to work

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for sony he went over said hello and

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together the pair of them watched the

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gig

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oasis played their customary short set

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to an audience of about 50 people

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bryce found it impossible to convince

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his people in london of the wisdom of

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recording a band that never seen or

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heard so tony and chris decided to do it

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themselves

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so the real people came to see them at

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their gig at the boardwalk in manchester

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and they saw potential

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the record companies weren't interested

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yet but the real people were the

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griffiths brothers offered to record and

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produce oasis to help them get their

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first proper demo tape together so over

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a period of three months the band would

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drive to liverpool on the weekends and

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they would record at the griffiths

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studio

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and over that three period they recorded

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12 tracks

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eight of which made it on to the very

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famous union jack swirl live

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demonstration tape

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paul moody from the nme tells it like

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this

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used to the hard knock school of the

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manchester scene oasis was shocked by

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the cooperation of their scouse mates

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because we got our own eight-track

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studio we let them come down to the dock

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road and record there says tony they

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were quite naive about recording so we'd

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show them how to play the songs how to

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think about the structure of the songs

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and the dynamics we were just helping

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them because that's what bands do in

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liverpool i don't think it's quite the

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same in manchester because no one had

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done anything for them before

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and now i'm going to continue the story

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with some excerpts from this

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oasis the truth by tony mccarroll

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this book which is a brilliant read was

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released in 2010

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there's no question in my mind that noel

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gallagher would have been aware of it he

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would have been aware of what it said

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about him

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and here's the interesting thing the

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film

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supersonic was released in 2016 and in

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it

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of tony mccarroll noel says this

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we might have had words

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it's quite likely i don't know

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whatever he says is probably true

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i wouldn't deny at all

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i don't know what your feeling is about

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that comment but to me

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i think that is the closest noel

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gallagher will ever come to saying

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what the book says is true noel was

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aware of the book it came out six years

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before supersonic and he said basically

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whatever tony says about me is probably

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true

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in the preface to the book tony writes

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this

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don't worry this isn't going to be a

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vicious swipe from a rejected band

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member

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it is a recollection of times past which

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i hope you will be able to relate to and

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enjoy once again

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but most importantly

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it's the truth

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so as i share excerpts from this book

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with you

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my gut feeling is that most of the

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actual life events that tony relates are

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the truth

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i think noel gallagher has indirectly

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actually said that on supersonic and

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also

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i really recommend buying and reading

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this book

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we drove up the east lancashire road in

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the van

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liam was already hyped and was jumping

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around excitedly

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the next three months would see us

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change the way we rehearsed the way the

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songs were constructed

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and the way noel composed his lyrics

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the real people sound is probably most

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evident on tracks like don't go away or

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all around the world

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it was a departure from the brash punk

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of rock and roll star and bring it on

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down but it was one that would change

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our fortunes forever

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the first oasis song that the real

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people got directly involved in was

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colombia the song was just an

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instrumental loop of three chords a d

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and c that was originally just an

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instrumental designed for liam to walk

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on stage two at the beginning of a gig

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according to tony the song developed out

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of a band jam session so it was

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basically written by the whole band

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according to chris griffiths the writing

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of this song actually pre-dated noel

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joining the band

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so who wrote colombia

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this is what tony mccarroll says about

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the recording of colombia

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it was our second week in bootle with

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the release

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one of our earlier rehearsals had

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developed into colombia a simple

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instrumental that needed finishing

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liam sang a melody quietly to himself

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while chris riffiths plucked away on his

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acoustic

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crash bang wallop oasis and the real

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people collided

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it sounded bang on and in the next

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couple of hours it was completed

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and we had another new song

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we headed back to tony griffiths and

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noah and sang the new melody and lyrics

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to them

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we told him that chris had come up with

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it

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noah looked proper chuffed and was

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immediately repeating the melody

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liam then proudly told noel that he was

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involved in the writing as well

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a null smile seemed to vanish as quick

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as the light after the flick of the

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switch

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and tony's story lines up exactly with

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chris griffith's story have a listen

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we had a question from one of our guys

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on the live forever forum sort of asking

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about that columbia the genesis of that

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correct me if i'm wrong is that liam had

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come in with some lyrics but because it

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had hung around from kind of pre-knoll

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days even but then you'd sort of put

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together

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you know some of the other lyrics to it

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[ __ ] story is it was an instrumental

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song he's recording instrumental like

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this chocolate you've got to know i've

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not have lyrics to be an instrument but

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you walk onto

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so i grabbed the mic and then once he

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sunday everywhere here we are all this

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confusion nothing's the same to me but

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all of the same things

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yeah and liam comes down

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likes it and wrote him up the chorus

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i can't tell you the way

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[Applause]

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yeah yeah yeah

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so to answer the question who wrote

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colombia this seems to be the truth the

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original instrumental was written by the

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whole band minus noel it seems to have

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come out of a jam

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the first verse and the vocal ad-libs

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were written by chris griffiths the

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choruses were written by liam and only

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one line of lyrics was actually written

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by noel

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what i heard is not what i hear i can

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see the signs but they're not very clear

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he didn't write the melody he didn't

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write the chords he wrote one line of

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lyrics but if you look in the credits on

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any version of columbia you only see one

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person credited for the songwriting

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no prizes for guessing who

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noel gallagher chris griffiths

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apparently still has the original

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reel-to-reel where the band recorded

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their instrumental and he sang the

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lyrics for liam to learn have a listen

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i've still got a real reveal of the rock

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and roll style and

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at the vehicle of colombia as well with

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which i've meeting in the vases which

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are the ways that i wrote at the time

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paolo hewitt tells it this way

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noel had the chord structure for

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colombia but he had no melody or lyrics

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one night chris griffiths sang a melody

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over it which began with the words

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there we were now here we are all this

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confusion nothing's the same to me

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that was the thing that started it off

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griffiths recalls

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and it was liam who wrote the chorus

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i can't tell you the way i feel because

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the way i feel is oh so new to me

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a collaboration then yet when the song

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was released noel gallagher was the only

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name credited

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similarly the fact that the eight-track

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demo of alive ended up on the b side of

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the band's second single shaker maker

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was a contentious point

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chris said that kind of pissed us off a

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little bit the fact that three months of

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our work was getting put out and

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creation records are making loads of

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money out of it but see we're not asked

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if we wanted to suit oasis we would have

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already done it so if all those people

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were actually involved in the writing of

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colombia

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why is only noel credited

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that question was also clearly in chris

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griffith's mind

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apparently after oasis took off he began

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asking noel when he was going to be

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credited for his songwriting on colombia

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but have a listen to this

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there were so many little singles so

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many little coincidental

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songs that sound similar or riffs or

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little waves or sayings that i i was

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getting pissed off with

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but i i

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approached chambers of regard to

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colombia because

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it was always it was always a case of no

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don't worry about it your name will be

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on it you know what i mean we've only

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just done this first press number

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hundred thousand next time it comes

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about i'll let the publishers know um

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your name will be on it don't worry

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about it

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and we may never go on to colombia

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so time passed and the truth about who

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wrote colombia was suppressed and buried

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presumably by noel and alan mcgee

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next we jump forward a bit in time

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supersonic recorded and produced by the

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real people has been released and has

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charted

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shaker maker has released and been

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charted and now they're putting out live

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forever

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and to tell this part of the story i'm

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going to read to you once again an

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excerpt from tony mccarroll's brilliant

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book

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our third single was a stormer and my

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personal favorite our first top 10 hit

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i suppose if anything reminded me of the

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fantastic time we had in liverpool it

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was this song

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noel was furious though after reading an

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nme review that alluded to the same

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i had this lot marked down as the beetle

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browed saviors of rock and roll and more

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as the real people for 94.

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remember the real people

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scally bruisers with a heavier take on

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baggy a taste for scrapes and an

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inevitable obsession with the fab four

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the fact that john mulvey had alluded to

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the influence of the real people had

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upset noel's equilibrium

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to throw petrol on the fire i asked if

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they would get their production credits

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on supersonic

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noel seemed less than amused a few pages

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later it's the 11th of september 1994

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and the band are sitting in the airport

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lounge waiting to go on tour in japan

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we were sitting in the airport lounge

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waiting for the shuttle to london when

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noel told everyone that for whatever

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reason they were not to put the real

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people on any future guest lists

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this came as a shock to everyone

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liam told him to write off

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i'll put on whoever i want he said

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angrily

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and then i'll take them off came the

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reply from noel

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he would soon take to checking the guest

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lists and removing people he didn't want

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this would cause constant problems for

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the rest of us

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the recordings from the studio in bootle

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and also the recording we released as

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supersonic had original production

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credits to the claggies this is what

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noel would call the two scousers as a

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joke and was part of the deal we struck

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when we had arrived at their door with a

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desperate look and three songs

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i have noticed no production credits on

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the album's version for them though

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following that conversation in the

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airport noel never seemed to acknowledge

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the real people in future years

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even when talking about the writing and

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recording of colombia he only said this

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you could tell the lyrics of it in

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liverpool it's very scarce to say there

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we were but now here we are

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it's all this confusion not the same to

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me we were at the real people studio in

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uh liverpool

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and somebody went and somebody always

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does ayla you want to let some weird for

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that all i remember about the night is

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there was a there was a lot of acid

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taken river was tripping weren't they

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everyone was tripping in the studio we

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done the demo that subsequently ended up

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getting about 50 plays on radio 1 all

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cabbage

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beyond belief

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and so

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with all the ties having been cut with

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the real people

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having all the money all the power and

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null being the arch song thief that he

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openly admits to being

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he stole another one

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that song was rocking chair which they

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recorded during the morning glory era

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and once again

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no songwriting credit to the griffiths

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with rock and [ __ ]

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obviously your name wasn't going to come

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out for the decide i'll blow with it so

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how come you get the co-write credit on

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rocking chair then

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it was a complete lift off of something

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that i had called growing old my this

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ain't growing old man i'm older than my

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attitude i'm colder than you'll ever be

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there's nothing left to say to you now i

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don't have to say to me and then the

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brother went on the same session where

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you were sawing about finger on down no

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play with our kid he said i've got

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somebody beside the other players

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[Music]

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it all came to a head in the be here now

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era where noel literally lifted an

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entire chorus almost note for note and

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called for chord from a real people song

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the oasis song that he stole was don't

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go away and the real people song that it

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came from is a song called feel the pain

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you can find it on spotify and if you

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listen to it from about one minute 32

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it is identical

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wait don't go away if anyone i mean

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anyone that listens to this has heard

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this because i've i've dropped it in a

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couple of times and what i've done is

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where you just play the clip of the

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oasis don't go away song and then you

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just drop in feel the pain and it's

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ridiculous when did you first hear that

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and what was your reaction i was

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actually listening to the album on the

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day come out in um the ex-manager

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recordings you go i just stared at don't

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go away

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and then i went goodbye

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there's no evacuation i punched all over

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at this point having been robbed lied to

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taken advantage of stabbed in the back

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and then cut off three times over by a

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now super rich rock star who they had

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helped to launch

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the real people decided enough was

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enough they decided to go to court to

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finally sue noble for what was

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rightfully theirs

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when we were trying to get our name on

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the record we were probably advised by

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solicitors and everything this would be

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silly we should have took a lot more

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money on i think just held on

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your name on the record which is all i

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wanted i don't want to i didn't have to

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ever got

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five percent of it yeah i just wanted my

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name on that record yeah absolutely yes

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you went to court this was this is the

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sort of thing you know listen we'll give

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you a little bit of money if you get

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about two songs because your legal fees

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are really high at the moment unless

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they were doing those no was doing you

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just said might switch for the letter so

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much was about sending a letter okay he

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was just more or less charging they

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could go bankrupt because by sending

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letters so in the end our legal fees

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were astonishing you're finding someone

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who's got so many millions of pounds and

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and you've just earned a little bit of

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money for the first time in your life

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so i mean it's not it's not a lot of me

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and it's getting up by core costs

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for something that you shouldn't be

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fighting for yeah i took i took a

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meaning getting put onto a rock and

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cheer and a small payoff yeah the other

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two trucks which was a really silly

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thing to do at the time yeah so in the

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end it's just like oh [ __ ] this you know

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what i mean give us a little bit of

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money paid the swift said either and you

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know what in the end

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everyone knows everyone knows the street

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anyway so exactly

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so following the court settlement chris

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griffiths was supposed to get a

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songwriting credit on rocking chair

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however

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that never materialized either he got

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credited in one place

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and that's in the oasis chord book

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if you go on to spotify today and click

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on information on rocking chair it just

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says written by noel gallagher

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just as in the early days with colombia

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noah promised to give credit where

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credit was due and then just never

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delivered

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so as you heard in that clip from the

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oasis podcast the griffiths ended up

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settling out of court with noel and with

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the out-of-court settlement i think

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there were nda's non-disclosure

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agreements when the real people signed

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the ndas it bound them to not talk about

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these private matters however

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tony mccarroll did not sign an nda

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he released his book putting all this

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information into the public domain

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so the nda was now completely pointless

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the information that tony shared about

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the history of the real people was now

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globally known public knowledge

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so it's actually massively thanks to

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tony mccarroll that the real people are

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pretty well known now to have been

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massively involved in the formation and

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the sound of one of the greatest british

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bands of the 90s

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and that they were also betrayed tricked

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and robbed by noel gallagher

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it can be hard to understand

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why noel gallagher did what he did i

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wonder what happened just previous to

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that

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conversation with the band in the

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airport to make noel decide to cut the

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real people out

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i wonder if it was a conversation with

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alan mcgee about maybe losing royalties

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or something i wonder if there was an

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argument between noel and one of the

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griffiths brothers about their lack of

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songwriting credits

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i wonder if it was just simply greed i

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wonder if noel realized i can cut these

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guys out and have all the money and he

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just wanted to

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we may never know

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the confusing truth of the matter is

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no one's all good and no one's all bad

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we're all a mix of the two really so you

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can get really great people

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who sometimes do really shitty things

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we're all a mix of the two and we've all

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in our lives have moments where we've

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done kind of heartless ruthless things i

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think all of us can look back and go

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that was a bit of a mistake

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i think we've all had our moments where

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we realized in hindsight that we took

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things a bit too far

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i suppose if you have a moment like that

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scaled right up on the world stage

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as a multi-millionaire rock star

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the size of the selfish act is going to

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be scaled right up as well to the size

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of something as monumentally wrong as

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noel's treatment of the real people

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but i think i should close this story

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with a quote from the man himself

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in the supersonic documentary noel i

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believe

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pretty much endorsed tony's account of

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things and he also said this about

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himself

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liam's like a dog

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and i'm like a cat

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cats are very independent creatures they

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don't give

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right bastards i'm a cat

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okay that's just what i am

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i've accepted it

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i'm a bit of a bastard

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