Israeli Spokesman Threatens Host During On-Air Meltdown
Summary
TLDRThe script discusses a contentious interview on Channel 4 with Israeli spokesperson Alon Levy regarding allegations of war crimes and genocidal intent by Israeli forces in Gaza. It touches on the invocation of biblical references to justify actions against Palestinians, drawing parallels with historical genocides and questioning the morality and legal standing of such actions. The conversation critically examines the framing of the conflict, the use of evidence in international courts, and the broader implications of labeling such acts as genocide, all while highlighting the complex interplay of history, law, and international relations in assessing culpability and defining genocide.
Takeaways
- ๐บ The script discusses a contentious interview on Channel 4 involving Krishna and Guro Murthy and Israeli spokesperson Alon Levy, focusing on allegations of war crimes and genocidal intent by the Israeli military.
- ๐ It highlights the use of biblical references by Israeli soldiers and officials to justify actions against Palestinians, drawing parallels to genocidal intent.
- โ๏ธ The discussion includes references to a video presented at the International Court of Justice (ICJ) as evidence by South Africa, showing Israeli soldiers expressing views that were interpreted as genocidal.
- ๐ The script touches on global reactions and the role of international law in addressing the situation, with a focus on the Genocide Convention's criteria.
- ๐ฌ The narrative criticizes the Israeli government's response to accusations and its handling of the conflict, pointing out contradictions and perceived injustices.
- ๐ It mentions historical comparisons, including past genocides and the Holocaust, to argue against the uniqueness of any single genocide and to challenge the framing of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
- ๐ฅ The conversation brings up the issue of civilian casualties and the ethical implications of military actions in Gaza, questioning the morality of the Israeli Army's operations.
- ๐ซ It condemns the use of anti-Semitic allegations to deflect criticism of Israeli policies, emphasizing the need for accountability and justice.
- ๐ The script scrutinizes the effectiveness and intentions behind Israel's military strategy in Gaza, suggesting it may be aimed at broader goals than combating Hamas.
- ๐ Lastly, it underscores the importance of recognizing and addressing genocidal actions within the framework of international law, urging a reevaluation of support and policies towards Israel.
Q & A
What is the context of the discussion about the Israeli army's actions in Gaza?
-The discussion revolves around allegations of war crimes and genocidal intent by the Israeli government and military in their actions in Gaza, based on statements by high-level Israeli officials and behavior of Israeli soldiers.
What evidence is mentioned in the script regarding the Israeli army's behavior?
-The script references a video played at the International Court of Justice (ICJ) trial, presented by South Africa, showing Israeli soldiers chanting about AMC (Amalek) and expressing genocidal intent towards Palestinians.
How does the script describe the Israeli spokesperson's response to allegations?
-The Israeli spokesperson, Alon Levy, is described as dismissive and evasive, avoiding direct answers to the allegations and questioning the evidence presented.
What are the biblical references mentioned in the script, and how are they related to the conflict?
-The script mentions biblical references to Amalek (AMC), used by Israeli officials and soldiers to metaphorically describe Palestinians. This is seen as indicative of genocidal intent.
What comparisons are made between Israeli soldiers and U.S. soldiers in the script?
-The script compares the behavior of Israeli soldiers in Gaza to that of U.S. soldiers in incidents like the Abu Ghraib prison scandal, highlighting the serious misconduct and potential war crimes.
How is the term 'genocide' discussed in the script in relation to Israel's actions?
-The script discusses the term 'genocide' in the context of Israel's actions in Gaza, suggesting that Israel's treatment of Palestinians meets several criteria of genocide as defined by international law.
What role does the International Court of Justice play in the context of the script?
-The International Court of Justice (ICJ) is mentioned as the venue where evidence of alleged war crimes and genocidal intent by Israel was presented, particularly a video showing Israeli soldiers' behavior.
How does the script describe the Israeli spokesperson's handling of questions regarding civilian casualties?
-The script portrays the Israeli spokesperson as deflecting questions about civilian casualties in Gaza, focusing instead on justifying Israel's military actions and dismissing the severity of the casualties.
What does the script say about the genocide convention?
-The script discusses the so-called genocide convention, which outlines acts that constitute genocide, such as killing members of a group, causing harm, and deliberately inflicting conditions to bring about a group's destruction.
What is the significance of the October 7th reference in the script?
-October 7th is mentioned as a significant date for an event or series of events that escalated the conflict, though the script does not provide specific details about what occurred on this date.
Outlines
๐ก Israel spokesperson denies evidence of genocidal intent against Palestinians
An Israeli spokesperson is interviewed about evidence presented at the International Criminal Court of genocidal intent by Israel against Palestinians. The spokesperson denies and downplays the evidence, accusing the interviewer of taking things out of context and trying to justify Israel's actions.
๐ Israeli spokesperson justifies civilian deaths and denies investigations into war crimes
The Israeli spokesperson justifies civilian deaths in Gaza by blaming Hamas for the war. He denies investigations are needed into potential war crimes by Israeli soldiers against civilians. He accuses the interviewer of trying to contextualize Hamas' atrocities.
๐ก Interviewer challenges inflated civilian death toll justification
The interviewer challenges the spokesperson's justification of the high civilian death toll, noting over 24,000 people killed. The spokesperson argues casualties are tragic but would not have happened without Hamas' actions. The interviewer argues the conflict did not start on October 7.
๐คฌ Spokesperson falsely claims all casualties are due to October 7th
The spokesperson falsely claims all casualties after October 7th would be alive if not for Hamas' actions that day. The hosts argue many were killed before then due to Israel's occupation and crimes against Palestinians.
๐ก Spokesperson relies on Western ignorance of global genocides
The hosts criticize the spokesperson for arrogantly claiming only the Holocaust can be called a genocide. They argue the West ignores many global genocides and unfairly treats the Holocaust as exceptionally evil compared to state crimes against indigenous peoples.
๐ค No justification for bombing civilians instead of targeting Hamas
The hosts criticize the spokesperson's claim that indiscriminate bombing of Gaza was the only way to respond after October 7th. They argue Israel could have targeted Hamas leaders or negotiated instead of genocide.
๐ World must recognize Israeli crimes as genocide by definition
The hosts argue Israel's actions meet the legal definition of genocide per the UN genocide convention. The world must be able to identify genocide by powerful states, not just when it's convenient geopolitically.
Mindmap
Keywords
๐กApartheid
๐กEthnic cleansing
๐กSettler colonialism
๐กInternational law
๐กSelf-determination
๐กGenocide
๐กWar crimes
๐กImpunity
๐กInternational complicity
๐กResistance
Highlights
Israeli spokesperson Alon Levy's defense of the Israeli military's actions in Gaza, highlighting the claim of moral superiority and denial of war crimes.
Krishna and guro Murthy's interview with Alon Levy, focusing on a video presented at the ICJ trial that showed Israeli soldiers' genocidal intent.
The Channel 4 anchor's confrontation of Levy with evidence of soldiers celebrating violence against Palestinians, indicative of a broader genocidal intent.
Discussion on the historical and biblical justifications used by Israeli officials and soldiers to legitimize violence against Palestinians.
Comparison of Israeli soldiers' actions to the scandalous behavior of US soldiers, highlighting a pattern of military misconduct in conflict zones.
Levy's attempt to differentiate between the Israeli military's official objectives and the actions of individual soldiers, amidst accusations of genocidal intent.
Analysis of the Israeli government's statements and policies as evidence of genocidal intent, including Netanyahu's opposition to a Palestinian state.
The use of the term 'politicide' by Israeli historian Baro Kimmerling to describe the systematic destruction of Palestinian political structures.
Levy's dismissal of questions regarding the military's accountability for civilian casualties, and the deflection of blame onto Hamas.
The conversation on the broad implications of the term 'genocide,' challenging the monopoly of the Holocaust's memory in defining genocide.
Critique of the international community's reluctance to label the Israeli government's actions as genocide, despite evidence fitting the Genocide Convention's criteria.
Discussion on the historical context of genocides beyond the Holocaust, including the impact on Native Americans and other populations.
The debate over the appropriate use of the term 'genocide' and its application to the actions of the Israeli government against Palestinians.
Examination of the ideological underpinnings of genocides, including the influence of colonialism and racial theories on the Nazi regime.
Reflection on the role of international law and institutions in recognizing and preventing genocides, with a focus on the situation in Palestine.
Transcripts
Massacre um in Gaza continues and
Israeli spokespeople keep going on
television October 7th October 7th
October 7th also we are the most moral
army in the world also we're definitely
not committing war crimes at an
unprecedented scale as every metric
indicates um and then when that doesn't
necessarily work they try vaguely
threatening people question mark this is
channel 4's Krishna and guro Murthy
speaking to Israeli spokesperson
spokesperson um Alon Levy who's been on
TV before and who should be in prison
yeah they respond I'm glad all this is
on video honestly evidence uh they're uh
the the channel 4 anchor here asks uh
Levy or or Levi to respond to a video uh
that was played at the icj trial which
was a part of the evidence presented by
South Africa we played it on this
program showing that Israeli
soldiers took what Netanyahu and other
highlevel Israeli officials said about
AMC right um the biblical uh people that
are supposed to be wiped out um wipe out
their seed wipe out I'm paraphrasing but
kill everybody because they are the
enemy of your people and basically
called Palestinians AMC which the South
African case says this shows genocidal
intent by the Israeli government and
Israeli soldiers took it as genocidal
intent so there's a video of them does
this is this included in the interview
the video okay enough of my the video is
not included right okay so so they
describe it but Bas but uh enough of my
Prelude this is how it went down video
that was played in courts yesterday of
Israeli soldiers
singing about AMC uh and singing about
the fact that there were no innocent
civilians and in every War soldiers uh
May perform things for social media that
have absolutely nothing to do with the
declared goals of this war and everyone
at every level understands but it
revealed their their goal that this go
and and again you keep going back to
this amalik reference refers to the
destru like forget the amalik thing they
literally said there are no civilians in
Gaza okay and also we had actually a
huge Scandal here with AB grab uh prison
photos um and like the idea that if we
were if there were chanting I I would
love to know and publicize it actually
like if American soldiers were doing
things specifically like that Chelsea
Manning did Chelsea Manning published I
mean that was a big part of what what
she went to prison for was the the the
the leaks of the uh US soldiers on the
Apache helicopters basically laughing as
they Gunn down civilians yeah exactly
like this is a scandal it's not
something to celebrate to the extent
that it does happen yeah even if you
don't want to say it's genocidal intent
it's
clearly wrong for the military to view
that as their objective in a war again
it's not a war that would require there
to be at least some semblance of
evenhanded sides or the ability for the
population to fight back we know what
this is it's definitely not a war yeah I
mean and Bush and and admin should have
people going to prison too um but they
even they went the distance of saying
look we're not at war with all Muslim
people we're just at war with like
Al-Qaeda or whatever right like I don't
know no meanwhile yeah president Herzog
saying there like we there no innocent
people in that Nation there's no
innocent people in that Nation it's in
the DNA of Arabs to hoard their food so
we can't give them food I mean like
we're talking deep deep crazy genocidal
racism here there's just tons of
evidence there's like tons of tons of
Clips all taken out of context
apparently and not just verbal too the
verbal stuff we get too hang up on
that's why I think like the focus on AMC
like they have they literally just
demolished like maybe the final standing
University in Gaza they've bombed all
the hospitals like this is a um Baro
kimmerling who a former Israeli
historian uh used the term politicide
when you wipe out the um structures that
help people DET turn themselves
politically this is this is just obvious
like and like the like like all these
different examples are basically just
like you just you have a multitude of
examples you could be pointing out
exactly declared goals of this war and
everyone at every level understands but
it revealed their their goals that this
goal and and again you keep going back
to this amalik reference refers to the
destruction of Hamas it refers to the
destruction of the
terrorization it refers to the
destruction of the terrorist
organization but in that video we see
them chanting about their own Minister
has been clear the defense minister and
the war cabinet and all those who make
decisions including the chief of staff
and all the senior generals that our war
is a war against Hamas and not the
Palestinian people so were those
soldiers wrong was it was that chanting
wrong had a senior officer or a
politician come in would would they have
said stop that that's wrong I'm not
familiar with the particular video I
didn't video that was played in court
yesterday I haven't watched that
particular video I was on a flight from
Tel Aviv yesterday during the
proceedings uh but of course to say
things that are not in accordance with
the military goals of the campaign that
is not acceptable and the Army has
already disciplined soldiers on occasion
deviated the problem with your statement
here is that what the genocide case is
showing and Brandon you were at the hag
right you I mean not to oh he's Frozen
dang it um but uh the the problem is is
that it is it is the stated goals of the
government that is what is being shown
Netanyahu invoking amalec okay and then
the soldiers chanting about it and
saying there are no innocent civilians
for people that don't know this is the
Bible verse now go and smite amalec and
utterly destroy all that they have and
spare them not but slay both man and
woman infant and suckling ox and sheep
camel and ass what that means is AMC
equals Palestinians in Gaza go and smite
them destroy all that they have spare
them not slay both man and woman infant
and suckling ox and sheep camel and ass
that is the verse that was invoked by
Netanyahu then you have soldiers
chanting about it saying there are no
innocent civilians that is one of the
stronger examples that South Africa was
able to present um and you don't even
need to get to the the biblical stuff
one hour ago Israeli Prime Minister
Benjamin nyaho says he has told us that
he opposes Palestinian state in any
post-war scenario like sorry and a
nation that should be a like everyone
agrees international law exists to be it
like has a right to uh people that have
a right to self determination that's
genocide um with regard independent of
the actual bombing that is just
hastening what we has been going on in
slow motion for a while benir um we're
going to occupy Gaza and stay there and
develop a plan of encouragement to make
Palestinians leave like this is and and
and so
like this guy is on the BBC insulting
everyone's intelligence by not even uh I
mean I guess it's just pretending he
hasn't seen the video exactly like that
how like that's like he was at the
proceedings but he didn't see the
evidence presented by I don't care that
you were on a plane like every oh he
that's he said he was on a plane this is
recorded yeah like you familiarize
yourself with it like know the lack of
seriousness is an insult it is a provoc
it's a provocation this guy is being
provocative right now well I mean I
think he's he's go ahead Brandon I think
he's hoping that everyone else at home
is you know as stupid as the average
pundit although not this guy who
interviewing him is which is that they
probably didn't watch it themselves and
so we can just pretend like no one knows
what's on that clip did you see it I
didn't see it when you know I don't know
what stated policy goal specifically
he's referencing but as the again as the
icj testimony by South Africa
established like even their like most I
guess least mer IST uh goals of like
just totally displacing all people all
Palestinians in Gaza still constitutes
genocide and ethnic cleansing under the
genocide convention so it's not enough
to say like oh well yeah that was just a
metaphor the AMC thing was just a
metaphor it was you know it's just the
way we talk about these sorts of things
uh because even when they're being
explicit they're still talking about
genocide yes exactly um the presenter
should say hey you want to uh leave my
studio and go watch it and come prepared
next time and instead we have to treat
these people as if they as he's about to
do get to uh dictate us lessons yeah
this is this is how this guy responds uh
under very mild questioning and sorry
this is Channel 4 not the
BBC campaign that is not acceptable and
the Army has already disciplined
soldiers on occasions when they have
deviated from the discipline and the
standards that we uphold so you accept
that there could be soldiers who are
deviating from your stated goals and
killing civilians are there any
investigations going on president on
cases where soldiers are believed to
have acted in violation of the very very
severe standards to which we hold
ourselves that is of course investigated
but that inv but notice that this is
where we're taking the question now it
started with South Africa making a
blanket and outrageous statement that
cheapens the memory of the Holocaust by
accusing Israel of genocide for fighting
to bring back the hostages who are
trapped in the terror Dungeons and now
you're asking about whether there are
occasional misdemeanors by soldiers who
produce something uh not entirely
appropriate for Tik Tok and this shows
just how spurious and specious I'm
talking about occasional misdemeanor
we're talking about more than 23 24,000
people killed chrisan the civilian
casualties that's an extraordinary
number of Civilian casualties and it's
tragic and it's tragic Christian Like An
Earthquake everyone who has been killed
since October 7th would still be alive
if Hamas had not declared war if Hamas
were not fighting this war from densely
populated areas and no one else would be
but this didn't start oer 7 lay down
their term you're right you know you can
you can say would not have happened had
October the 7th not happened they would
say October the 7th wouldn't have
happened had Israel not occupied Gaza in
the first place I would be very wary of
trying in any way to contextualize the
atrocities of October 7th I'm explaining
what they would say I'm not
contextualizing I'm saying you should
though trying to work out when this
began yes is a very confusing I'm not
surprised that the army of Terror that
practiced acts of pedophilia necrophilia
and sexual mutilation on October 7th
would try to paint a different picture
in order to justify its atrocities there
is nothing that can justify or
contextualize the barbaric acts of
sexual violence that Hamas perpetrated
on October 7th that we Fe they are
perpetrating against the 19 women who
are still trapped in its Terror Dungeons
and which it is telling us that it wants
to do again do you think the way people
are killed in Gaza is also barbaric when
they're blown up war is a barar children
get their heads blown off is that
barbaric war is a barbaric business but
you seem to have me confused with
someone who wants this war we didn't
want this war you're just someone who
defending this war we were invaded on
October 7th with the bloodiest Massacre
of Jews since the Holocaust and we are
fighting now so that Hamas can never do
that again Krishan I wish I could send
Hamas an email or wave a magic wand and
make it go away but that's not going to
happen we have no good enough of this
tone from this guy yeah I mean there's
so much to be said there but Brandon why
don't you go ahead he's just so
condescending cuz he's relying on like
the ignorance of the audience to to just
not really be fully familiar with like
the history of Israel the history of
genocide by the West outside of the
Holocaust so that this can be framed
only in terms of like the Holocaust
which is only framed in terms of the
impact it had on Jewish population and
not on the other populations who uh the
Germans uh executed as part of their
brutal campaign uh you know it's just
it's just insane to me personally but
yeah the condescension from somebody
like you know that position even as
they're being tried in front of the icj
I guess it's their only really defense
mechanism at this point because the
evidence that was presented I found to
be pretty compelling and so you know all
you can do is like Fain
self-righteousness as though you have a
greater capacity for feeling Terror than
the Palestinian population that you
you're currently occupying and bombing
which is a again a mitigating factor in
this you can't commit or rather you
can't engage in war on an occupied on a
country that you're occupying on a
territory that you're fully occupying
Brandon Brandon I'd be I'd be very wary
of trying toize this I
mean what does that mean I mean do you
think he I mean first of all and effect
is against the rules here it is it
is I'm not GNA you know say 100% but I
feel like the the skin tone of the
interviewer also influenced like the
tone of that response basically trying
to say that he might be aligned with
terrorists I think that's fair to say
go
ahead readiz because we've already seen
this happen uh be careful with how how
you say what you're about to say because
otherwise we have many lobbyists who
will make sure you get fired from your
job exactly that's what that was yeah
and I was just going to say you know I
see what he means by contextualizing
because a lot of times when Western
Society you know tries to contextualize
stuff like this it's them providing a
justification for why they are
committing a genocide why they are
causing a famine in another country why
they're doing like brutal uh military
campaigns in countries we're not like
currently at war with and so every piece
of context is a justification for why
it's okay to do sort of things like that
as opposed to just like an explanation
of why something is happening and
whether or not you know you should
support uh you know ceasefire or not you
know you see the same thing just a micro
level where you try to contextualize why
Kane Wes acts the way he acts and
they're like you shouldn't you shouldn't
like excuse him it's not an excuse It's
just pointing out that this is what he's
doing and here's why he's doing it but
in the context of like Western Society a
lot of context is just like here's why
it's okay for someone to do this as
opposed to like hear why they're doing
it who who who gets to determine the
context points to who is powerful they
when they say but October 7th they are
contextualizing the slaughter of Gins
that we are seeing and they're saying
actually the context of October 7th
justifies it also I was just wanted to
point out that like what he said about
like everyone who died after October 7th
uh would still be alive if not for Hamas
uh committing what they committing an
atrocity on October 7th that's just
functionally not true because we know up
until that point Israel had been still
killing people inside Gaza and in the
West Bank and so many of those people
still have been yeah record Pace many of
those people who were killed as part of
this bombing campaign likely would have
been killed or injured maybe not the
same amount but over their lifespan who
knows because that's just the kind of
occupation that Israel is engaging in
which is why people prior to their
genocide was calling it an AP apartheid
state and even then was it arguing that
they were engaging in a slower genocidal
campaign yeah and I just want to when we
use the term genocide I read this
yesterday and I I don't want people to
think that we're being spirous as uh
this this genocidal enabler would say um
these are the the uh this is in article
two of the uh genocide convention um and
this is how it's deter determined whe
whether a country is is uh committing a
genocide um genocide means any of the
following acts committed with intent to
destroy and whole or in part a national
ethnic uh ethnical racial or religious
group as such a killing members of the
group Israel is guilty of that so yes B
causing serious mental or bodily or
mental harm to members of the group
obviously uh 100,000 Palestinians in
Gaza either killed missing or maimed C
deliberate inflicting on the group
conditions of Life calculated to bring
about its physical destruction in whole
or in part no clean water no food no
medicine no anesthesia um no uh places
to live anymore CU all the homes are
bombed specifically in North Gaza um 85%
displacement that makes it clear de
imposing measures intended to prevent
births within the group when I mentioned
the hospital is essentially
non-functioning um the NICU babies
decomposing because they don't have any
um uh any electricity and I saw an
article in Jezebel saying that
miscarriages are up 300% which clearly
meets a b d c and d of Article 2 e
forcibly transferring Children of the
group to another group You could argue
that imprisoning Palestinian children
Without Really any charges and any
recourse is a part of that but you can
kind of abandon that all together and
still make a very strong case because
Israel clearly meets a b d c and d and I
wrote down some the things he said here
just to point this out
um that just calling this a genocide
cheapens the memory of the Holocaust I'm
really in awe of the arrogance of Israel
to claim that they have some sort of
authority over all genocide intellectual
property um because the Holocaust is one
of the greatest crimes in the history of
humanity and a genocide of unprecedented
industrial scale enabled by European
nations and the West who then outsourc
their guilt onto the Middle East and
onto Palestinians but there have been
many genocides that meet certain
criterias genocides that have been
determined to be genocides that have
lesser death counts lesser people named
that have been determined in the icj as
genocides to meet this specific criteria
so there have been other genocides the
the Israeli government does not have a
uh copyright over genocide there
Cambodia uh The Armenian Genocide uh
Rwanda the Native American population
unless I go on and on okay no I I just
want to jump in there because I I want
to second that that that idea is so
ridicul sure maybe Holocaust like I
would uh uh hesitate to use the word
holocaust like that because of you know
association with what was done to the
Jews in World War II genocide the idea
that genocide are you like this is just
ignorant that idea that that has any
sort of specific uh um uh relevance to
Jews Like specifically no like that that
is what the West thinks they're relying
on Western ignorance because we don't
give a crap about genocides happening to
the global South that's well it's like
we are genocide deniers like we don't we
don't understand that we like this is
exactly what happened to Native
Americans like on on the land that we
are on right now and Israel does and
sorry Brandon just one final point but
Israel notices that when it's willing to
say like oh you think you're so good
well you're on Stolen land too yeah yeah
I also like support landback and things
like that to redress that historical uh
um uh crime go ahead Brandon I can say
you know we're genocide justifiers I
would say that you know you learn about
genocide in American schools you learn
about the genocide of the Native
American peoples you know learn about
genocide of certain African populations
uh you know even the concentration camps
that uh um European countries had an
African an African colonies during the
20th century uh but those genocides are
a lot of times framed as necessary
components of the construction of the
west where the Holocaust in the you know
World War II is was rather not we but
while the Holocaust in World War II is
extricated from that like framework and
understood as just some sort of like
complete atrocity that was done for no
reason other than bigotry and therefore
it is the gold standard you know for
lack of a better term for how we should
understand genocide because it wasn't
the you know at least in the minds of
the people who were defending Jewish
people and defending uh you know the act
the uh Allied Powers it wasn't done for
a justifiable claim to land that was
being held by Savages it was being done
to a claim to property that was being
held by other Western you know some
places and other Europeans and so it's
framed differently than a lot of other
genocides both in the global South and
in the United States and in Australia
because it wasn't viewed historically as
a necessary component of actually
constructing these these countries or
you know securing a level of wealth for
your country at home that could be you
know uh that could be taken from uh
Africa or South America and so it does
have a special place in the minds of you
know Americans and West and Western
Europeans because a lot of times they
were complicit in those other genocides
and they were Defenders of you know the
rights of humanity in this one and so
that's the framework that they want to
understand genocide in as opposed to
that you know even just looks at the
although people will deny this I don't
know how because Hitler and other Nazis
per themselves it said this that a lot
of aspects of the Nazi state were
inspired by the colonial regimes in in
uh Africa they were inspired by
eradication of the Native American
people by you know America it was
inspired by Jim Crow but that just hits
too close to home but but Netanyahu
Netanyahu uh denies it I mean Netanyahu
was slammed years ago for spreading the
conspiracy theory that the Palestinian
Grand Muti gave Hitler the idea to
exterminate the Jews which is Holocaust
revisionism so when that spokesperson
there says the uh you know that calling
what Israel is doing a genocide when it
meets uh four out of five of the uh
planks of article two of the genocide
convention just on its face um that it
cheapens the memory of the Holocaust no
that's what you're doing you're cheaping
cheapening the memory of the Holocaust
as the fascist Israeli
government in by the way continuing to
frame it as the largest attack on Jews
since the Holocaust also does that
they've turned it into a uh not they've
turned that anti-Semitism of the
Holocaust into a uh Spear of Western
white supremacy when you see France and
Germany now arguing that Israel can't be
doing a genocide because that's you know
that's only something that we did to
them horrible and to the problem of the
Arab Savages uh by their estimation in
the Middle East um who uh now bear the
brunt of the reparations that Germany
and European nations and the United
States should bear for by the way
turning away Jews who were fleeing the
Holocaust that no no no that goes to the
uh populations who can't necessarily
fight back resource-wise and then we'll
call them anti-semites and terrorists
and then here's the other thing oh what
do I want to do send Hamas an email no
no no you smug piece of that's not
what anyone is actually saying people
are saying that you should have gone in
if you I I understand that when October
7th happened that Israel wasn't going to
be like huh maybe we should re-evaluate
the apartheid and ethnic cleansing that
we're doing I understand they're a
western state they're going to respond
with Force they're going to go in and
try to kill people they could have gone
in in a special operation and gone after
Hamas they know exactly where every you
know uh where where they can go and try
to execute this operation they knew
where certain Hamas leaders are in qar
right now if they really want to go
Hamas they could have freaking struck
Qatar they're not even doing any of that
right now they're going after in Lebanon
um Syria striking everywhere right
that's not the point of this it was a
pre it was the opportunity for them to
do the genocide that they always wanted
okay so there were other Alternatives
not genocide not carpet bombing and it's
an insult to everybody's intelligence to
sit there and say that that's the only
way that you could have responded um
those hostages like the hostages have
only been released during the ceasefire
period there was plenty of Palestinians
locked up in Israeli prisons prior to
October 7th that could have been used
for uh trades but they don't want to do
that uh because they have been in
trouble for uh the Hannibal doctrine of
we don't actually want even soldiers
taking hostages because that's a problem
for us so let them die um which yeah go
ahead Brandon it's also just like wild
to your point that how often they will
repeat this line that the only way they
get hostages back is to bomb
indiscriminately uh they've killed more
hostages and they've saved yep
undoubtedly you know undoubtedly they
but like that's just such a Twist of
logic that you now see people repeating
like it makes any kind of sense and you
know it's just not how anyone has taught
to negotiate with like hostage takers
but you know now it's just become a show
of of force uh that is supposed to be
you know make the situation magically
better yeah and I just can't like the
way zionists have used anti-Semitism you
had the former I think it was Ambassador
um to Israel on Dave rubin's program a
few months ago saying oh yeah what you
guys need to do is close your border
exactly why Israel uh was created in the
first place is because Western countries
didn't want to take Jewish refugees
during the Holocaust uh rather actually
we have a better idea for you we've
always wanted to have an outpost in the
Middle East how about you go do that for
us um you know I think that stuff is is
is is pretty relevant well no I mean I
think failing to engage with the actual
like ideological underpinnings of the
Holocaust that were widespread in Europe
and also the United States at the time
that it happened you know it never just
it just never got any better because it
was all sort of concentrated in people's
minds as a unique sin of German of the
German state in the 1940s and 30s and I
guess 20s you know whatever you know
there was a failure to reckon with just
how much of that you know ideological
underpinning not just came from the
United States but it's still there and
still present in the way we do
things
yeah all right folks should we take a
call did we do 45 minutes on that uh
Israeli
spokesperson I think it was closer to 30
and I feel I feel badly um but man I
don't know I don't know when we're going
to when we're going to reach some sort
of I I think you know like I the people
are wondering that there's so many other
atrocities happening in the world what's
happening in the Congo seeing you know
why why not talk about that and that's
fair
um but I think for for one it's the
genocide that we're
funding uh Israel is the top recipient
of our talk of our of our foreign aid
and the military aid um and frankly it's
an outpost for our interest as match
just said so it should be viewed in that
way two it's the constant gaslighting it
is the constant gaslighting that
seemingly is UN Felding um and that I
think is just what what is so
infuriating about the whole thing
um although like to borrow from you know
nor McDonald about Bill Cosby when
someone said the hypocrisy was the worst
thing about him that's not the worst
thing it'd be down the list the gas
lighting is definitely down the list uh
after the genocide I do think the
relevance is even broader than
Palestinians though it's it's this is a
this is a test for a world um law and uh
institutions can it call a genocide
genocide or is genocide just something
that Western Powers will deploy if they
want to say agitate against China um or
or intervene in Kosovo or Ukraine like
it's just just when we're actually want
to do something that's when we'll call
it a genocide when we don't want to it's
like who knows man like these
definitions yes Sam from Ottawa says if
it's not a genocide in Palestine what is
it the rung below is that better does it
not inevitably lead to the next rung
yeah I mean it's it's the it's a it's a
it's definitely ethnic cleansing the
genocide I mean this is the thing is
like I I I am someone who supports a
more expansive version of genocide um
that would Encompass splitting out
Palestinians between different
populations in Gaza um the West Bank and
and you know Exiles even beyond that and
stuff like that um and inability to let
a people um reproduce themselves um
because I think that's uh in addition to
germ warfare and other sort of massacres
that's how the genocide of Native
Americans was uh conducted on this
continent um and and so like I I don't
just think you need to be killing 20,000
civilians uh in a few months to call it
a genocide but I do think like if the
world can't see like a a what's
basically a slow motion genocide turn
into a more acute I mean extermination
opportunity and ethnic opportunity for
ethnic cleansing like all these books
that have the pictures of the Naka 1948
and you see people on long lines of
people being moved we've we've dwarfed
those images yeah in the last few months
yep also surely the genocide convention
is also intended to try to prevent
ongoing genocides from getting to the
point in which they're like 98% of a
population in organ in a location are
just displaced or killed it seems like
you know a lot of what Israel is relying
on in this situation is people using
like a colloquial
understanding of what the word means to
like supplant like Common Sense which is
that like oh you can only call something
a genocide which every single person who
fits into this category has been killed
but we've never defined genocide that
way like it doesn't it doesn't make any
sense to Define there's a legal
definition of genocide and and and it
just
anyway
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