Disciple Making, Fruit Of Being A Christian by Francis Chan And David Platt
Summary
TLDRThe speaker in the video script discusses the importance of genuine commitment to Jesus within the church community. They express concern about the lack of discernible life change in many Sunday church attendees, questioning if they are truly followers of Christ. The speaker contrasts this with a smaller group that gathers in the morning, where they observe a marked difference in believers' lives, indicative of the Holy Spirit's work. They recount a story of a man who, despite being involved in church activities, only truly became a disciple after a profound encounter with Jesus, leading to a significant shift in his life and a focus on making disciples. The script raises questions about the depth of commitment required to be considered a disciple and the implications for the church's mission.
Takeaways
- π The speaker expresses concern about the authenticity of faith among those who attend Sunday church gatherings, questioning if they have truly committed to following Jesus.
- π The speaker values morning gatherings with a smaller group, feeling more confident in the genuine faith of these individuals.
- π There is a noted difference between the lives of those filled with the Holy Spirit and those who attend church but do not exhibit significant life changes.
- π The speaker emphasizes the importance of being a true disciple, suggesting that many who attend church may not have truly surrendered to Jesus.
- π The speaker reflects on the teachings of the Bible, particularly the accounts of Jesus calling people to follow him and the expectations that come with discipleship.
- π« The speaker criticizes the idea of simply reciting a prayer to avoid hell, instead advocating for a deeper commitment to following Jesus.
- π€ There is a wrestling with the concept of being a Christian while not fully embracing the lifestyle and commitments that Jesus called his followers to.
- π The speaker shares a story of a church member who, despite being involved in church activities, only later truly committed to being a follower of Jesus.
- π‘ The speaker highlights the transformation that occurs when someone becomes a true disciple, using the example of a couple who are now actively making disciples.
- β The speaker expresses a personal struggle with reconciling what they read in Scripture with the behaviors and commitments of those who identify as Christians.
Q & A
What is the significance of gathering in the morning as mentioned in the script?
-Gathering in the morning is significant because it involves praying together and sharing the gospel, which fosters a sense of community and spiritual growth among believers.
Why does the speaker express concern about the traditional church gatherings?
-The speaker is concerned because they feel that not everyone attending traditional church gatherings has made a genuine commitment to follow Jesus, which is essential for true discipleship.
What does the speaker believe should be the mark of a person filled with the Holy Spirit?
-The speaker believes that a person filled with the Holy Spirit should exhibit a noticeable life change, demonstrating a clear difference between their pre-conversion and post-conversion life.
How does the speaker view the commitment to follow Jesus as portrayed in the book of Mark?
-The speaker views the commitment to follow Jesus as a call to immediate and unconditional obedience, as illustrated by the disciples in the book of Mark who followed Jesus without hesitation.
What is the speaker's concern about people attending Sunday gatherings without a true commitment?
-The speaker is concerned that many people attend Sunday gatherings without having truly surrendered to Jesus, which can lead to a disconnect between their professed faith and their lifestyle.
Why does the speaker emphasize the importance of making disciples?
-The speaker emphasizes making disciples because it is a fundamental aspect of being a follower of Jesus, as seen in the early Christian movement, and it signifies a commitment to spreading the gospel.
What is the story of the man who grew up in the church but only later became a follower of Jesus?
-The man, despite being involved in church activities and leadership, did not truly become a follower of Jesus until later in life. Once he did, he experienced a profound change and began actively making disciples, using his business to serve the gospel.
What does the speaker mean when they say 'walking in the spirit'?
-The speaker refers to 'walking in the spirit' as living a life surrendered to Jesus, guided by the Holy Spirit, and characterized by obedience and discipleship.
Why does the speaker feel a disconnect when people claim to be Christians without fully surrendering to Jesus?
-The speaker feels a disconnect because they believe that being a Christian involves a complete surrender to Jesus, which should be evident in one's actions and commitment to following His teachings.
What is the speaker's view on the idea of growing into faith over time?
-The speaker is concerned about the idea of growing into faith over time because they believe that true discipleship requires an immediate and complete commitment to Jesus, not a gradual process.
How does the speaker describe their own struggle with the concept of discipleship?
-The speaker describes their struggle with discipleship as a wrestling with the scriptural expectations of what it means to be a follower of Jesus and the reality of people's commitment levels in their own life and the lives of others.
Outlines
π Morning Gatherings and Discipleship
The speaker discusses the importance of morning gatherings of believers who are committed to sharing the gospel and praying together. They express concern about the authenticity of faith among those who attend traditional church gatherings once a week, questioning whether they have truly experienced a life-changing encounter with the Holy Spirit. The speaker contrasts this with the transformative power of the Holy Spirit as described in the scriptures, where followers of Jesus exhibit a marked difference in their lives. They also touch on the idea that many people attend church without a genuine commitment to following Jesus, and share a story of a man who, despite being involved in church activities, only truly became a disciple after a profound spiritual awakening.
π€ The Challenge of Disciple Making
In this paragraph, the speaker grapples with the concept of making disciples and the challenge of identifying true followers of Jesus. They reflect on the biblical call to discipleship, where every follower is expected to become a 'fisher of men' or a disciple maker. The speaker expresses concern about the disconnect between claiming to be a Christian and the willingness to fully surrender to Jesus' call, as exemplified by the story of a staff member who struggled with sexual issues and initially resisted the call to discipleship. The speaker also shares their personal struggle with the inconsistency between their beliefs and actions, and the tension between their desire for spiritual growth and the reality of their commitment.
Mindmap
Keywords
π‘Gospel
π‘Church
π‘Holy Spirit
π‘Disciple
π‘Follow Jesus
π‘Life Change
π‘Spiritual Transformation
π‘Sunday Gatherings
π‘Making Disciples
π‘Surrender
π‘Inconsistency
Highlights
Importance of morning gatherings for prayer and sharing the gospel among believers.
Concerns about the authenticity of faith among those attending Sunday church gatherings.
The expectation of significant life change when the Holy Spirit enters a person.
The difference between a person dead in trespasses and one filled with the spirit of Christ.
The challenge of discerning true followers of Jesus in large church gatherings.
The commitment required to follow Jesus as seen in the book of Mark.
The disconnect between claiming to be a Christian and the willingness to follow Jesus' commands.
The concept of surrendering to Jesus and walking in the Spirit.
The idea that not everyone attending church is truly a disciple of Jesus.
The story of a man who, despite being involved in church, only later became a true follower of Jesus.
The transformation in a person's life after becoming a follower of Jesus.
The emphasis on making disciples as a core aspect of being a follower of Jesus.
The concern that many may not understand what it truly means to be a disciple.
The struggle with the inconsistency between professing faith and living a life that reflects it.
The wrestling with the scriptural expectations of discipleship versus the reality of many churchgoers.
The example of a staff member who, despite being involved in church, chose to walk away from certain behaviors.
The question of whether someone can be called a Christian if they are not willing to follow Jesus' commands.
The personal struggle with the concept of surrender and what it means to be a true follower of Jesus.
Transcripts
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now a community of guys folks who are
gathering together in the morning
praying together sharing the gospel and
not everybody I mean there's other folks
in me I know you guys gather together
once a week like when you talk about
relooking at what it means to be the
church or I don't know what the best
word is yeah like what are the things
that are really forefront on your heart
and in mind when you think about and
what the church should look like yeah
well you know why I love that gathering
in the mornings is I have a confidence
of these people that they really are
believers that they really are followers
and I think a lot of times when we
gather for what we call church
I don't know that I have that same
confidence because when I read scripture
I see gosh when the Holy Spirit enters
into a person there should be some
pretty serious life change like there
should be a difference between a person
who's dead in their trespasses and sins
and a person who now has the spirit of
him who raised Christ from the dead
dwelling in them like there should be a
mark different than I and I believe I
see that I mean we've seen it where you
know wow that's not normal that verse
has been turned around that person is
filled with the spirit but then there's
also such a big number of people that
come to these Sunday gatherings where
you wouldn't be able to tell the
difference by their lifestyle actions
even words and so now you're trying to
get everyone in this gathering to do
something together and I'm concerned
that a lot of them have not really made
a commitment to follow Jesus like when I
like the other day I just was reading
through the book of Mark and
Wow I mean Jesus just goes these people
follow me and that just means whatever
I'm asking you to do you just do it and
you know those who try to make excuse as
well let me just
they seem legitimate library let me say
clear item really good Amelie or yeah
you know yeah of course of course you
get about you haven't done by God and
Jesus like well if you can do that don't
even bother
like wow you know that what it means to
follow Jesus to surrender I mean that's
what we're saying
today of walking in the spirit is holy
spirit what would you like me to say
what would you like me to do I've
surrendered to you I've died to myself
and I want to follow you I mean is that
mindset are those you know the people
that show up on a Sunday morning is that
what they're thinking or is it something
else it's been created of you know
repeat after me pray this prayer you
know you're not going to hell anymore I
just don't see that in Scripture I see a
follow me and so for me gathering with
people where I go and I see it in their
life it's just a lot different so I mean
that hits something really important
like to call people to make disciples
who are not disciples that's that's
pretty much a dead end I mean that I
think about I think about one guy in the
church that I passed her who it came to
the church a few years ago he'd grown up
in the church and he'd done the deal
prayed the prayer been baptized and and
had been involved in church leadership
like the church that he came from called
us the pastor of that church called us
and said hey just want to know you're
getting a great guy like this guy is
going to serve your church well is gonna
be a great church member so he comes and
about a year later he gets saved like he
was not a follower of Jesus he emailed
every committee team he done all this
in the church but he'd never become a
follower of Jesus and and then as soon
as he did like this supernatural
compulsion was in and he started looking
around his life in his workplace he's
really successful businessman since how
can I use its business to leverage for
the gospel to make disciples him and his
wife started taking couples into their
home's to start intentionally making
disciples I mean his wife count the
other day and said faster making
disciples is better than having
grandkids like they are just going at it
and and the fundamental change was he
became a follower of Jesus now I don't
want to say that everybody who struggles
with making disciples is clearly not a
disciple but when you look at this book
from the very beginning of Christianity
like yeah follow me I'll make you a
Fisher of men yeah like every follower
Fisher in every disciple disciple maker
so if we're not making disciples
somewhere although we may have missed
what it means to be a disciple yeah yeah
my concern is okay wait for this way
like there was there's one time there
was you know the sky is struggling you
know sexually it he's actually even on
our staff and um you know just decide to
go the other direction and walk away
from things and um you know but still
was saying he's still a Christian he's
still a follower and and it was just
that whole thing of I know I don't want
to judge anyone I don't know but I at
the end day I said you know here's my
concern is if Jesus said to him hey drop
these relationships and follow me he
would say no I'll leave that and just do
whatever you ask me to do like he would
say no to that but yet we would still
call him a Christian and that's such a
weird disconnect to me and yet many
people would say and well yeah I'm not
ready to drop everything
I consider myself Christian I'm not
raided you know I'll grow in
I'll get there one day but I'm not there
like I just get concerned I mean I I
sometimes look at my own life and go in
this is inconsistent this is
inconsistent and and I'm not saying I
even have this figured out
I just really wrestle with that and and
there are times in my life when I feel
total peace like I was surrendered today
I really did and so on I don't know what
I'm saying right now I'm just saying I
wrestle with this with what I read in
Scripture and I wrestle with other
people that judges had a concern like I
love these people I want to believe that
we're going to spend eternity together
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