How to influence people.

Ideas That Matter Podcast by Vusi Thembekwayo
15 Mar 202216:39

Summary

TLDRIn this impassioned speech, the speaker underscores the paramount importance of communication as the key to leadership and influence. They delve into the art of persuasion, asserting that it extends beyond sales to include shaping actions and perspectives. The speaker shares insights on how to effectively persuade, emphasizing the need to understand an individual's motivations, intent, desired outcomes, and the justness of the cause. They illustrate this with a recruitment narrative, highlighting the power of aligning personal aspirations with a greater purpose.

Takeaways

  • πŸ—£οΈ The most important gift and tool for leaders is communication, as it is essential for influencing others.
  • 🎯 Communication aims to either persuade someone to take action or change their perspective.
  • πŸ’Ό Selling is a part of persuasion, but the art of persuasion is broader and includes various methods to influence others.
  • 🌱 Rapid business growth requires creating leaders who can not only perform tasks but also inspire and persuade.
  • πŸ’‘ Understanding the motivations of an audience is crucial for effective communication and persuasion.
  • πŸš€ Intent refers to the impact a person wants to have, which is different from their motivation for taking action.
  • 🌟 The end state or desired outcome is a key component in persuading others, as it provides a vision of the future.
  • πŸ“ˆ A just cause underpins effective persuasion, making the audience believe in the righteousness of the goal.
  • 🌱 The speaker uses a real-life example of recruiting a candidate to illustrate how to apply motivation, intent, and desired outcome in a persuasive conversation.
  • πŸ”₯ Passion and conviction in communication are infectious and can significantly influence others to join a cause or take action.

Q & A

  • What is considered the single most important gift in the world according to the speaker?

    -The speaker considers the gift of communication as the single most important gift in the world.

  • Why is communication essential for leaders?

    -Communication is essential for leaders because they cannot influence where they cannot communicate, making it a critical skill for leadership.

  • What are the two primary reasons humans communicate according to the speaker?

    -Humans communicate primarily to either get someone to do something they want them to do or to get someone to see something from their perspective.

  • How does the speaker relate sales to persuasion?

    -The speaker sees sales as a part of persuasion, where it involves getting someone to see value and take action on that perceived value.

  • What is the broader concept that includes the art of sales, according to the speaker?

    -The broader concept that includes the art of sales is persuasion, which the speaker describes as a broader science.

  • Why is it important for the speaker to help their team learn how to communicate?

    -It is important for the speaker to help their team learn how to communicate because they are growing rapidly and the speaker needs to create leaders who can inspire and persuade.

  • What is the speaker's self-assessed strength in the context of communication?

    -The speaker believes their strength lies in their ability to persuade, which they consider a gift they are unequaled in.

  • What is the first part of the process to learn how to influence and persuade, as mentioned by the speaker?

    -The first part of the process to learn how to influence and persuade is to understand motivations, which are the reasons behind people's actions.

  • What is the difference between motivation and intent according to the speaker?

    -Motivation is why people do what they do, while intent is the impact they want to have or the outcome they desire.

  • What does the speaker suggest is necessary for a cause to inspire people?

    -The speaker suggests that for a cause to inspire people, it must be a just cause, one that is rooted and grounded in people's perspective of the world.

  • How does the speaker illustrate the application of understanding motivation, intent, and desired outcome in a real-life scenario?

    -The speaker illustrates this by discussing a recruitment conversation with a candidate named Claire, where he connects her potential role with the company's mission to a broader impact on Africa's future.

Outlines

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πŸ—£οΈ The Power of Communication

The speaker emphasizes the paramount importance of communication as the most crucial tool for leaders to influence others. They argue that without effective communication, it's impossible to lead or persuade. The speaker discusses the purpose of communication, which is often to either motivate action or alter perspectives. They touch on the broader concept of persuasion, which encompasses more than just sales. The speaker shares their personal experience in teaching communication skills to their team, especially as their business grows rapidly, and the need to create leaders who can inspire and persuade. The speaker also mentions their own strength in persuasion and hints at a scientific approach to learning communication.

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🧠 Understanding Motivation and Intent

This paragraph delves into the first part of effective communication: understanding the motivations of the audience. The speaker suggests that every action is driven by a motivation, whether explicit or implicit. They stress the importance of being interested in the audience's motivations and using that knowledge to persuade and influence. The speaker also introduces the concept of 'intent', which is the desired impact one wants to have. They use the example of Martin Luther King Jr.'s 'I Have a Dream' speech to illustrate the power of communicating a clear and compelling end state or desired outcome. The speaker also emphasizes the need for the cause to be just and worth pursuing, which is essential for effective persuasion.

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🌟 Persuasion Through Personal Impact

The speaker shares a personal anecdote about recruiting a candidate for a capital-raising role. They describe the candidate's background and the challenge of persuading someone with many opportunities to join their team. The speaker uses the candidate's personal connection to Nigeria as a point of persuasion, discussing the potential impact she could have by joining their mission to develop leadership in Africa. The speaker outlines the company's plans to invest in education and development, emphasizing the just cause of improving the continent. The conversation is framed around the candidate's potential legacy and the difference she could make, rather than the company's immediate needs or benefits.

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πŸ”₯ The Art of Persuasive Communication

In the final paragraph, the speaker reflects on the conversation with the candidate, highlighting the importance of aligning personal motivations, intent, and desired outcomes with a just cause. They encourage the audience to apply these principles in their own lives and businesses, emphasizing the effectiveness of this approach in persuasion and leadership. The speaker concludes with an invitation for feedback and a farewell, expressing enthusiasm and passion for the topic.

Mindmap

Keywords

πŸ’‘Communication

Communication is defined as the process of exchanging information, ideas, or feelings through speech, writing, or other modes of expression. In the video, the speaker emphasizes that communication is the most important gift and tool for leaders, as it is the foundation for influencing others. The speaker uses the concept of communication to explain how leaders can persuade and inspire their teams, as well as to share their vision with others.

πŸ’‘Persuasion

Persuasion refers to the act of convincing someone to believe or do something. The video discusses persuasion as a broader science than just sales, involving the ability to influence others' actions or perspectives. The speaker illustrates this by explaining how to persuade investors to back a venture, which is central to the video's theme of effective communication.

πŸ’‘Motivation

Motivation is the reason or reasons one has for acting or behaving in a particular way. The speaker in the video explains that understanding the motivations of an audience is crucial for effective persuasion. The speaker uses the example of why people go to the gym or choose certain cars, suggesting that all actions are driven by underlying motivations.

πŸ’‘Intent

Intent refers to the aim or plan behind an action. In the context of the video, intent is described as the impact a person wants to have, which is different from their motivation. The speaker uses the example of their own intent as a venture capitalist, which is to build a better Africa, to show how intent can guide actions and decisions.

πŸ’‘End State

End state is the desired outcome or the final condition that one is aiming for. The video uses Martin Luther King Jr.'s 'I Have a Dream' speech as an example of setting an end state, which is a powerful tool in persuasion. The speaker connects the concept to the importance of having a clear vision when persuading others to join a cause or a project.

πŸ’‘Just Cause

A just cause is a righteous or morally right reason for undertaking a particular action. The video emphasizes that for persuasion to be effective, the cause must be just and resonate with the audience's values. The speaker argues that a just cause is essential for inspiring people to take action and make sacrifices for a common goal.

πŸ’‘Capital Raising

Capital raising is the process of accumulating investment capital from various sources. In the video, the speaker discusses capital raising as part of the broader theme of persuasion, as it involves convincing investors to support a business venture. The speaker's personal experience with capital raising is used to illustrate the practical application of communication and persuasion skills.

πŸ’‘Influence

Influence is the capacity to have an effect on someone or something. The video underscores the importance of influence as a key outcome of effective communication. The speaker suggests that leaders must learn to communicate in a way that influences others to take the desired actions or adopt certain perspectives.

πŸ’‘Leadership

Leadership is the act of leading a group of people or an organization. The video discusses leadership in the context of creating and inspiring others, with a focus on the communication skills necessary to persuade and influence. The speaker's narrative on developing leaders within their organization highlights the role of communication in leadership.

πŸ’‘Desired Outcome

Desired outcome refers to the specific result or goal that one is aiming to achieve. In the video, the speaker connects the concept of desired outcomes to the process of persuasion, explaining that understanding and communicating the desired outcome is essential for motivating and inspiring others to act.

Highlights

The gift of communication is the single most important gift in the world.

Leadership is impossible without the ability to communicate effectively.

The primary purpose of communication is to influence others to take action or change perspective.

Persuasion is a broader science than just sales, which is a transactional aspect of persuasion.

As the business grows, the importance of teaching leaders to communicate and persuade increases.

Capital raising is an exercise in persuasion, aiming to align investors' views with your vision.

The speaker believes their greatest gift is the ability to persuade.

Learning to communicate effectively involves understanding the scientific process behind it.

Understanding motivations is the first step in learning to influence and persuade.

Intent refers to the impact individuals want to have, which is different from their motivations.

Desired outcome, or end state, is a critical component in persuasive communication.

A just cause is essential for inspiring people and persuading them to join a mission.

The speaker provides a live example of persuading a candidate to join their venture.

The candidate's personal connection to Nigeria is used to align her motivations with the company's mission.

The leadership foundation is introduced as a just cause to attract top talent.

The speaker emphasizes the long-term impact and legacy of the candidate's potential decision.

The conversation concludes with an invitation for the candidate to reflect on her life's impact.

Transcripts

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hello

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family

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hey guys

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i wanted to uh come into your space

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today

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uh to share the following with you

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so

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the single most important gift in the

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world in my mind is the gift of

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communication

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the greatest tool of influence all

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leaders have

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is communication

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you cannot influence where you cannot

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communicate it's impossible

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so learning to communicate is a critical

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skill for any of you who think of

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yourselves as leaders

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right of course

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learn to communicate

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but if you would learn to communicate

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the question becomes communicate for

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what purpose what's the outcome

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99 of the time

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the reason we human beings communicate

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is to either

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get somebody to do something we want

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them to do

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or to get somebody to see something we

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want them to see

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so either i want you to take action

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or i want to change your perspective

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but either way to do both of these

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things i need to communicate i need to

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influence i need to as the language says

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persuade

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so i hear terms like selling and um

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selling is a portion of how you persuade

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but the art of persuasion is much bigger

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than just the art of sales sales at the

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end of the day is how you transact it's

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how i get you to not only see value but

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take action on the value that you see

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persuasion though

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or persuasion is uh

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it's a broader science

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i spend a lot of time in our business

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internally with my own team

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helping in particular

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my management and executive team

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learn how to communicate

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the reason this is important is because

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we've been growing fairly rapidly of

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late

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and i've been stepping up

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the level at which i serve in the

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organization

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and as i step up i've had to create

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leaders

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to take over some of the things i used

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to do

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and the only way to do this is not only

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if you capacitate the leaders to do the

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job

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but it's also if you capacitate the

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leaders

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to inspire

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to enthuse

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to persuade

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which means i've had to learn

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how do you take a manager who's good at

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reading a spreadsheet

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and teach them

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how to communicate

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and inspire people

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how to persuade

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as we speak

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i'm busy capital raising we're busy

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capital raising

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which is such a funny experience really

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but you know the art of capital raising

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is just the art of persuasion

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it's getting investors whether they're

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institutional lps family offices or high

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net worth to see the world the way you

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see the world and back your thesis

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it's persuasion

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it's communication

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and if there's one thing i'm good at

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it is this

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if there is a single gift

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that god has given me

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a gift

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where i genuinely and honestly believe i

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am unequaled

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it's my ability

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to persuade

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but if you were to do it

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how would you do it

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what's the formula for learning how to

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communicate

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it's actually scientific

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there is a process you can follow

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and if you follow the process

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you'll get the outcome

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the first part of that process is to

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understand motivations

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everybody does something because

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everybody

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wants something

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we're human beings we're creatures of

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incentive

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you don't go to the gym and

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sweat and bust your ass just because

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you're bored you go there because

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somebody served you ads

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of somebody who looked really good

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physically

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and you bought the picture that if i

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look like this i'm gonna feel happier

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the car you drive is because somebody

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served you an ad saying if you drive

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this car you might be happier

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even the school that you send your kids

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to you send them to that school

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because you either believe it's going to

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give them the best education or it

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prepares them for the future or but

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everything you believe about the school

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you were persuaded

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you were told

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so there is an implicit motivation for

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the things you're doing

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there are some things we do as human

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beings where the motivation is clearly

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explicit

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then there are some things where the

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motivation

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is implicit

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but make no mistake

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there is motivation there

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so the first part of learning how to

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influence and persuade

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is to be interested

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in your audience

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and not just this be interested in

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what's motivating your audience

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to want to talk to you

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so i'm fascinated by you watching this

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video right now

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why are you watching it

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what do you hope to learn

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it's a trade-off you're giving me your

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time and attention

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and i'm serving contents on top of mind

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in your head right now

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but there is a motivation there

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the motivation for me is i want to

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remain top of mind for you

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what's the motivation for you

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why are you

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here

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so the first part then of learning how

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to arc story and how to persuade

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is to understand

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the internal implicit motivation

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of the audience the person with whom

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you're dealing

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having a

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conversation the second thing to

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understand when you really want to learn

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how to persuade an influence

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is intent

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so motivation is why people do what they

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do

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intent is what impact do they want to

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have their true intent their motive

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their um the outcome they desire

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here is a great way to think of it

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my motivation

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uh for being

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a

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my motivation for being a venture

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capitalist is that i

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am excited about the future and i love

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partnering with founders

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um

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and i genuinely believe that i can make

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a difference in working with founders

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building the future

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my intent

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would be

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building a better africa

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so once you understand the motivation

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why people do what they do

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the intent

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is then around what is the impact that

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they want to have

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now you've got to arc these into the

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conversation with the person and i'm

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going to give you an example of how you

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do that

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in a minute

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the third

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is what is

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the end state

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the desired outcome

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the end state

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in the most iconic speech of the 20th

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century martin luther king said i have a

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dream

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in fact he says

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i have a dream

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that one day

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the sons of former slaves and the sons

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of former slave owners

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will they be able to break bread in the

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table of brotherhood i have a dream

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today

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what did he say he had

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a dream

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what was he selling

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an end state

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a desired

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outcome

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motivation

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why do you do what you do

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intent

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what's the impact that you want to have

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desired outcome

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where are we going

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and why do we want to go there

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so how do you

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then

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into

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something that really inspires people

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well to arc them you have to base them

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all on one thing which is that the cause

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as simon sinek says has to be a just

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cause

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people have to believe that the cause is

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worth pursuing you can't just

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i have a dream

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but the cause is not worth pursuing it's

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got to be real rooted and grounded

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in in people's perspective of the world

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and if it's not then you've got to

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communicate it in a manner that it

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becomes that

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it's got to seem like a just cause

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i want to build an electric car company

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why because we're destroying the planet

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i want to build a payment gateway

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company why because it's hard for

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entrepreneurs to facilitate payments

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across africa

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i want to build an edtech business why

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because education is prohibitively

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expensive for the poor

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and i want to make it affordable

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it's got to be a just

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cause

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so how do you arch these

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into a story

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how do you arch these into a

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conversation of persuasion

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with your client

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with your staff your employees

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with your partner and your spouse

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i'm going to give you a live example of

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something i did the other day

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so

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i've been recruiting

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been looking for

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somebody who's going to help us with

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capital raising

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it's not an easy thing to do

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and typically people who do this

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are very very good

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very well technically trained

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very connected

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and have tons amount of opportunity

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they can work in many places

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but not just this

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they're also very expensive

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and you know we're kind of at that

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hockey stick

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of our growth curve right so we're we're

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here we're like building up to the

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future but you know

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we're managing costs compared we are

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managing costs

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so

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so i was talking to a particular

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candidate

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and this candidate you know they like

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you know they've just finished a stint

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working at one of the leading investment

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banks in the world

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they want to take three months

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sabbatical and really think about their

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future where they want to go

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they've got an mba from

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waterloo and like smart smart kid

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there's an mba i think an undergrad from

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waterloo and mba from

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i want to say mit or something like this

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really really smart young lady

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so we get to the part of the

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conversation

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where it's my my turn so she's told me a

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bit about her

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it's my turn to convince her now

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that she should come and do this with us

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and recognize i'm asking her

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to surrender a decade of her life

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because that's how long it's going to

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take

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at least five years

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and that's if we're in a good innings

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so i said the following to her

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i said to her

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tell me a bit about the place you grew

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up in

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in abuja she's nigerian

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and she starts telling me about this

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place she grew up in abuja

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and

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the friends she had and where her

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friends are now

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and i said when was the last time you

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went home she says no i go home fairly

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often i go visit and i see friends and

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mom and dad and family and granddad etc

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etc

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and i said to her

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i said do you think

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that abuja today

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is the best version

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of itself

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do you think given the skills

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competencies and talents

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of the people that emanate

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from abuja

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it's the best it can be right now she

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said no of course not come on

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i was like and why not

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she said well frankly

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because the top talent

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doesn't always enjoy

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the seats of power to influence things

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the way it needs to influence them

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like

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situation what would i say what would

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you say if i said to you

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that if you came on board and you helped

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us do this

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one of the things we've got attached to

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this fund is we're building a leadership

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foundation

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and 20 of the carried interest of this

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leadership of the fund

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20 of the carried interest

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is going to be transferred into the

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leadership foundation

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and we're going to use the capital in

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the foundation

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to identify

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educate

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and accelerate

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young leaders across africa

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young boys and young girls

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we're going to send them into

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engineering school we're going to send

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them into political school finance

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school medicine school

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with a single idea

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that once they complete their education

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they must come back into the continent

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and build it

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and then i said to her

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and we're not the only ones to do this

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there's several other foundations doing

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this as we speak

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the difference is we're not going to

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wait

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until we're worth a billion dollars in

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valuation

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we're going to start doing it the minute

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we start making our carried interest

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so the reason i need you to come on

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board name is claire the reason i need

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you to come on board claire

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because i believe you can help us raise

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capital with the right investors to take

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us to that point

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and once we've reached that i believe

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that you can become a critical part of

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our investment team to ensure that we

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identify the right companies that give

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us the right exit multiples so that we

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can best better the chances of

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capitalizing that leadership foundation

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and building the future we want to build

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claire

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you can work

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anywhere you can go and work at wall

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street

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and they will pay you 10 times what i

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can afford to pay you hell they'll

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probably pay you 10 10 times more than

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i'm earning

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but

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when you're 50 years old

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and you look back at your life

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and you think about this inflection

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point

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you will ask yourself the question

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how have i lived

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what impact did i leave behind

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did i use my skills

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to leave my people my country my world

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a better place

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only you will know the answer to that

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question

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but i think that if you came on board

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with us

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the answer would be yes

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and that was it

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we ended the call

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i still haven't heard back from claire

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hopefully by the time she watches this

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she would have come back and said yes

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but realize the whole conversation about

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why she should join what we're doing

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wasn't about us i didn't say this is the

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business plan these are the outcomes i

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was like what's her motivation

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what's the intent what's the desired

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outcome

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and how do i base it on a just cause

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so go back

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go back into your own business into your

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own life look at some of the things

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you're doing

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and ask and answer for yourself

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the question

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motivation

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intent

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desired outcome

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just cause

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that's how you persuade

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that's how you communicate

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that

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is how you lead

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i'm on fire right i know i know i can

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literally hear this boy is on fire

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[Laughter]

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all right family i hope you've enjoyed

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that

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have a kick-ass time

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leave a comment below and tell me some

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of the things you'd like to hear from us

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in future

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cheers

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