Science Proves Hinduism? | Hashim
Summary
TLDRIn this dialogue, participants engage in a spirited debate about the concept of God in Hinduism, contrasting it with scientific perspectives. Varun argues that for Hindus, the universe is synonymous with God, and the ultimate goal is to merge with this divine entity. Hashim and Mohammad challenge this view by questioning the scientific evidence supporting the idea of the universe's beginning and its equivalence to God. The conversation explores the tension between faith and empirical evidence, with a focus on the Hindu belief in the eternal nature of God versus the scientific timeline of the universe's formation.
Takeaways
- 😯 The conversation revolves around the Hindu concept of the universe being synonymous with God and the challenges of reconciling this with scientific understanding.
- 🔬 Hashim and Varun discuss the scientific perspective on the age of the universe, which is said to be around 13.8 billion years old, contrasting with the Hindu belief in an eternal God.
- 🤔 There is a debate on whether the concept of God in Hinduism, which includes the universe, can be validated by scientific evidence, as Varun initially seeks.
- 📚 Varun references the Chandogya Upanishad to explain the Hindu perspective on the universe's origin, highlighting the distinction between Brahman with and without attributes.
- 🗣️ Swati questions the scientific validity of Hindu scriptures and the shift from scientific to religious arguments made by Varun.
- 🧐 The dialogue touches on the idea of 'Nirguna' and 'Saguna' Brahman, which represent different aspects of the divine in Hindu philosophy.
- 🤝 There is a call for calm and respect in the discussion, emphasizing the importance of a mature and peaceful exchange of ideas.
- 📉 Mohammad points out the inconsistency in Varun's reliance on science for evidence while also appealing to religious texts that are not empirically verifiable.
- 🔍 The conversation challenges Varun to provide empirical evidence for his claims about the universe being God, rather than relying on faith or religious texts.
- 💡 The discussion ends with an invitation for Varun to either provide scientific evidence or admit that he does not have it, promoting a spirit of inquiry and honesty.
Q & A
What is the central topic of discussion in the script?
-The central topic of discussion is the concept of God in Hinduism, specifically the claim that the universe is God, and the search for scientific evidence to support this belief.
What is the significance of the Chandogya Upanishad in the context of the discussion?
-The Chandogya Upanishad is significant as it is used by Varun to explain the Hindu concept of Brahman, which includes both non-existence (Nirguna Brahman) and existence with attributes (Saguna Brahman), to address the question of the universe's beginning.
What is the difference between Nirguna and Saguna Brahman as mentioned in the script?
-Nirguna Brahman refers to the form of Brahman without attributes, representing non-existence, while Saguna Brahman refers to Brahman with attributes, representing existence.
Why does the discussion shift from scientific evidence to religious scriptures?
-The shift occurs because Varun initially relies on scientific claims about the universe's beginning but is challenged to provide scientific evidence for the concept of the universe as God. He then turns to Hindu scriptures for support.
What is the main challenge posed to Varun's argument by the other participants?
-The main challenge is to provide empirical scientific evidence for the claim that the universe is God, rather than relying on religious faith or scriptures, which may not be universally accepted.
How does the discussion reflect the tension between faith and empirical evidence?
-The discussion reflects the tension by showing Varun's struggle to reconcile his religious beliefs with the demand for empirical evidence from the other participants, who are seeking scientific validation for his claims.
What is the role of the participants named Hashim, Swati, and Mohammad in the discussion?
-Hashim, Swati, and Mohammad play the role of challengers and skeptics, questioning Varun's claims and asking for scientific evidence to support the concept of the universe as God in Hinduism.
What is the implication of Varun's readiness to answer the question about the universe being God?
-Varun's readiness implies that he believes he has a satisfactory explanation or evidence within the Hindu philosophical framework to reconcile the concept of an eternal God with the scientific understanding of the universe's beginning.
How does the script highlight the complexity of reconciling religious beliefs with scientific understanding?
-The script highlights the complexity by showing an intense debate where one participant tries to use religious texts to explain a concept that others demand to be supported by empirical scientific evidence.
What is the final stance of the participants regarding the need for scientific evidence for religious claims?
-The final stance of the participants, particularly Mohammad, is that it is acceptable for Varun to admit the absence of scientific evidence and to seek further research, emphasizing the importance of empirical evidence in discussions about religious claims.
Outlines
🌌 Debate on Hindu Cosmology and the Concept of God
The first paragraph presents a debate between individuals discussing Hindu cosmology. Hashim, Varun, Swati, and Mohammad engage in a conversation about the Hindu belief that the universe is synonymous with God. Varun asserts that everything is God in Hinduism, and the universe is eternal, predating scientific estimates of its beginning. The discussion shifts to the question of resurrection and the lack of scientific evidence for it. The participants explore the Hindu goal of merging with the divine, contrasting it with scientific understanding of the universe's lifecycle. The debate highlights the tension between religious beliefs and scientific perspectives.
🔍 The Challenge of Scientific Evidence for Religious Beliefs
In the second paragraph, the conversation continues with a focus on the demand for scientific evidence to support religious claims. Varun is challenged by Hashim, Mohammad, and Swati to provide empirical evidence that the universe is God, as he initially claimed. The discussion becomes heated as Varun attempts to justify his stance by referencing the Chandogya Upanishad, a Hindu scripture, which is met with skepticism by the others who insist on empirical, scientific evidence rather than religious texts. The paragraph concludes with a call for Varun to admit the absence of scientific proof or to provide it if he can.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡Universe
💡God
💡Hinduism
💡Scientific Evidence
💡Resurrection
💡Brahman
💡Chandogya Upanishad
💡Nirguna and Saguna
💡Empirical Evidence
💡Eternal
💡Faith
Highlights
Hashim asks if the universe is considered god in Hinduism, to which Varun confirms that everything is god for Hindus.
Hashim questions the scientific validity of the universe being god, given the scientific timeline of the universe's beginning.
Varun asserts that god exists forever, contradicting the scientific timeline of the universe's beginning.
Mohammad clarifies the question about scientific evidence for resurrection, highlighting the debate's focus on empirical evidence.
Varun explains the Hindu perspective that the goal is to merge back with the universe, which is considered god.
Swati challenges the scientific validity of Hindu beliefs, questioning the scientific proof of merging back with the universe.
Varun attempts to justify the Hindu perspective with a reference to Chandogya Upanishad, shifting from scientific to scriptural evidence.
Hashim points out the inconsistency in Varun's argument, highlighting the initial reliance on scientific evidence and subsequent shift to scripture.
Mohammad emphasizes the need for empirical evidence to support claims, questioning the scientific basis of Varun's assertions.
Varun defines science as the study of the universe, suggesting that studying the universe can lead to understanding god.
Hashim and Mohammad press Varun to provide scientific evidence for his claims, rather than relying on faith or scripture.
Varun is challenged to admit the absence of scientific evidence for his claims or to provide it.
The discussion concludes with an invitation for Varun to research and return with evidence to support his claims.
Transcripts
[Hashim] If I understood you correctly, you're saying
[Hashim] the universe is the god of the hindus.
[Hashim] Is that what you said?
[Varun] Yes, yes, everything is god for hindus.
[Varun] So, the whole universe is god.
[Hashim] One second.
[Hashim] Let me ask him the most basic question,
[Hashim] which is based on his question.
[Hashim] You claim that the universe is god, am I right?
[Varun] Yes!
[Swati] Everything is god.
[Hashim] Now, you know the scientist who told you
[Hashim] that life began 3.7 billion years ago?
[Varun] Yes.
[Hashim] What did they say?
[Hashim] When did the universe begin according to them?
[Varun] Yes, they even started 13 billion years ago.
[Hashim] Okay, so 13.8 billion, this is what the scientists say.
[Varun] Yes, something like that.
[Hashim] Is this when your god started?
[Varun] No, god exists forever.
[Hashim] Okay, hold on.
[Mohammad] Yes, go ahead.
[Varun] Is there any scientific evidence that resurrection will
[Hashim] actually happen or is it just a belief?
[Hashim] You had the same problem last time as well, I remember.
[Mohammad] I want to confirm the question.
[Mohammad] Are you saying is there any scientific evidence for resurrection?
[Mohammad] Is that right?
[Varun] Yes.
[Varun] Is there any scientific proof that
[Varun] resurrection will actually going to happen?
[Varun] Is there any scientific proof as scientists are saying?
[Varun] Okay, let me explain why I asked this question.
[Varun] See, I'm basically comparing the goal of
[Varun] Muslims with goal of Hindus.
[Varun] That is why I came up with question.
[Varun] See, for Hindus, the goal of Hindus,
[Varun] scientists already proved it, it will happen.
[Varun] In my opinion, scientists already prove
[Swati] Which proof has been predicted
[Swati] by science, brother Varun, within Hinduism?
[Swati] Lot of things are so unscientific in within Hinduism.
[Swati] I'm wondering because you're talking about science.
[Varun] Let me tell you, madam.
[Varun] For Hindus, their goal is to merge
[Varun] back with the Lord, that is Brahman.
[Varun] It means the universe.
[Swati] Yeah, yeah.
[Varun] Do you understand, madam?
[Varun] The universe is god for Hindus.
[Swati] I understand.
[Swati] Have you seen any scientific proof of anybody merging back?
[Varun] Wait, madam!
[Varun] Let me finish.
[Varun] Let me finish, madam.
[Varun] Let me finish.
[Swati] Sure, yeah.
[Hashim] Calm down.
[Hashim] You need to calm down.
[Hashim] Okay, so if I understood you correctly, you're saying
[Hashim] the universe is the god of the Hindus.
[Hashim] Is that what you said?
[Varun] Yes, yes, everything is god for hindus.
[Varun] So, the whole universe is god.
[Varun] So for Hindus, their goal is
[Varun] to merge back to the universe.
[Varun] And scientists are saying all the life on earth,
[Varun] it will eventually end, it will eventually go extinct.
[Varun] And that means that whole life on earth
[Varun] will eventually merge back into the universe.
[Swati] What is the proof of it—
[Hashim] Swati, one second.
[Hashim] Let me ask him the most basic question,
[Hashim] which is based on his question.
[Hashim] You claim that the universe is god, am I right?
[Varun] Yes!
[Swati] Everything is god.
[Hashim] Now, you know the scientist who told you
[Hashim] that life began 3.7 billion years ago?
[Varun] Yes.
[Hashim] What did they say?
[Hashim] When did the universe begin according to them?
[Varun] Yes, they even started like, 13 billion years ago.
[Hashim] Okay, so 13.8 billion, this is what the scientists say.
[Varun] Yes, something like that.
[Hashim] Is this when your god started?
[Varun] No, God exists forever.
[Hashim] Hold on!
[Hashim] So, the very science evidence you're seeking
[Hashim] the same scientists say that your god had a beginning.
[Varun] I understand your question.
[Hashim] Varun, calm down.
[Hashim] Just listen to the question first.
[Hashim] Your yardstick that you're waving at us is science, yes?
[Hashim] The very scientists that you're holding your yardstick
[Hashim] against or for are saying that your god
[Hashim] had a beginning some 14 billion years ago.
[Hashim] Now, you said, and I actually agree
[Hashim] with that, that God is eternal.
[Hashim] God has no beginning.
[Hashim] But the scientist—do you agree with
[Hashim] the scientist that your god had a beginning
[Hashim] because you said your god was the universe?
[Varun] Let me explain.
[Varun] I can explain that.
[Varun] I understand your question.
[Varun] I understand your question, sir.
[Varun] You're saying because universe had a beginning,
[Varun] how can universe be God?
[Varun] That is your question, right?
[Mohammad] Yes.
[Varun] Is that your question, sir?
[Hashim] Yes.
[Varun] Because universe had a beginning,
[Varun] how can universe be God?
[Varun] That is your question, right?
[Hashim] Yes, because God is eternal.
[Hashim] God doesn't have a beginning.
[Varun] Yes, I understand your question.
[Varun] I expected you to ask this question, sir.
[Varun] I'm ready for this question.
[Varun] Do you understand?
[Hashim] You're ready for the answer?
[Hashim] I'm ready for—
[Varun] Yes, I'm ready to give you the answer.
[Varun] It is mentioned in Chandogya Upanishad, okay,
[Varun] Chandogya Upanishad 6.2.1
[Varun] Chandogya Upanishad.
[Hashim] Let him finish.
[Hashim] Because we know he's not quoting
[Hashim] the scientist now all of a sudden.
[Swati] Yeah, what happened to the scientist now?
[Varun] Wait, wait, wait, madam!
[Varun] Wait for it!
[Swati] Yes, yes, please go ahead.
[Varun] In Chandogya Upanishad it says,
(Chandogya Upanishad, verse 6.2.1)
[Varun] Before this world was manifest,
[Varun] there was only nonexistence,
[Varun] and out of the nonexistence, existence emerged.
[Varun] See, it is basically saying—
[Varun] See, Brahman is two types.
[Varun] One is Brahman with no attributes
[Varun] and Brahman with full attributes.
[Varun] So it is basically non existence
[Varun] is Brahman with no attribute.
[Varun] Existence means Brahman with all kinds of attributes.
[Swati] Are you talking about Nirguna and Saguna, brother Varun?
[Swati] Are you talking about Nirguna and Saguna—
[Varun] Yes, yes, exactly!
[Varun] Exactly, madam!
[Hashim] Hold on, hold on.
[Hashim] No, no, hold on.
[Hashim] Varun, Varun.
[Hashim] Your yardstick was science.
[Hashim] So why have you gone to the Hindu scriptures, which,
[Hashim] to be honest, are not accepted by the scientists?
[Varun] What is science?
[Varun] Can you tell what is science?
[Hashim] Science is a study of the naturalistic world.
[Varun] Study of the universe, right?
[Varun] Science is the study of the universe.
[Varun] Right or wrong?
[Hashim] And they claim—
[Mohammad] Varun, wait, wait, wait.
[Swati] Yeah, that's a flawed—
[Mohammad] Science is the study based on empirical evidence, right?
[Varun] Yes, but it's still a study about the universe around.
[Mohammad] Right—no, no, no, no, no!
[Mohammad] Varun, please calm down.
[Mohammad] We're not arguing it.
[Mohammad] This is not a football match, okay?
[Mohammad] This is a discussion with adult human beings.
[Mohammad] So your yardstick, when you joined, you said,
[Mohammad] "What is the scientific evidence?"
[Mohammad] Which means, by definition, there must be from which
[Mohammad] we get empirical evidence that we can point to
[Mohammad] to say, this is what we have observed.
[Mohammad] So the question we asked you is, what is
[Mohammad] the evidence that your God is the universe?
[Mohammad] And you agreed that your God is the universe.
[Mohammad] But then we said,
[Mohammad] "Well, does your God have a beginning?"
[Mohammad] And then you said—okay, so the question is,
[Mohammad] your boundary is empirical evidence.
[Mohammad] Where is the empirical evidence that
[Mohammad] your God is the universe?
[Swati] Because that's what he's starting with.
[Mohammad] Because this is your yardstick.
[Mohammad] So we are—I want to use your measure.
[Mohammad] You see, there is no empirical evidence.
[Mohammad] Let me just finish, and then you can start.
[Mohammad] There is no empirical evidence, as far as I know,
[Mohammad] that the texts, the Hindu texts that you
[Mohammad] refer to are in any way valid.
[Mohammad] It is taken on faith.
[Mohammad] So this is not scientific.
[Mohammad] So give me the scientific evidence, not faith.
[Varun] But Hindus are right, right?
[Varun] What Hindus are saying, it is going to happen.
[Varun] It's going to happen anyway.
[Varun] So Hindus are right here, right?
[Hashim] Where is the scientific evidence, Varun?
[Hashim] That's what we've been asking you.
[Hashim] Where is the scientific evidence for your claims?
[Varun] The scientific evidence for what?
[Hashim] For your claim, where is the scientific evidence?
[Varun] What claims?
[Mohammad] You claimed that the universe—
[Hashim] You made the claim that the universe is God.
[Hashim] Okay?
[Hashim] What is your understanding of the term god in this context?
[Varun] In Hinduism, god means everything.
[Hashim] Okay, so where is the scientific for that?
[Varun] You see, when everything god means you can
[Varun] study the universe to know it.
[Varun] As one—
[Hashim] No, don't tell us to study.
[Hashim] You're making the claim.
[Hashim] The onus is on you to provide the evidence.
[Hashim] Don't tell us to study.
[Hashim] You study and you give us the answer to
[Hashim] the question or the claim that you're making.
[Varun] Even I can ask you,
[Varun] "Where is the proof that God is outside universe?
[Varun] Where is that?"
[Varun] You believe God—
[Hashim] We didn't make the claim.
[Hashim] You made a claim.
[Hashim] Yeah, we don't make that claim.
[Hashim] So if you make the claim then
[Hashim] the onus is on you to provide the evidence.
[Swati] Please provide the evidence, brother Varun.
[Hashim] Or just admit you don't have it.
[Mohammad] Yeah, so Varun, look—
[Mohammad] It's perfectly fine for you to say,
[Mohammad] "I don't know," today.
[Mohammad] "I'll go and do some research."
[Mohammad] and then we can come back and talk again another time.
[Mohammad] Okay?
[Swati] That can be done.
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