History of Moscow | Serhii Plokhy and Lex Fridman

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5 Mar 202406:33

Summary

TLDRThis transcript delves into the complex history of the Russian Empire, tracing its origins from the medieval Kievan Rus' to the rise of Moscow as its center under Mongol rule. It highlights how the concept of 'Russian lands' evolved, culminating in the Soviet Union's expansion in 1945. The narrator also explores the linguistic and cultural diversity among Slavic peoples, questioning whether they can be considered a single nation or a collection of distinct groups with shared yet divergent histories and traditions.

Takeaways

  • 😄 Moscow rose to prominence as the center of the Russian Empire in the late 15th century, replacing the city of Vladimir, after overthrowing Mongol control with the help of the Lithuanian state.
  • 🤔 The term 'Russian Empire' was a creation of the 18th century, while the people earlier referred to themselves as 'Rus', encompassing multiple groups in the region.
  • 🌍 The 'Gathering of the Russian Lands' was a 19th-century idea that aimed to unite the former lands of Kievan Rus' and the Mongol Empire under Moscow's control, culminating in 1945.
  • 🗣️ The Slavic peoples share a common linguistic history but have distinct languages like Russian, Ukrainian, Polish, and Czech, indicating their separate identities.
  • 🏛️ While sharing some political traditions, the Slavic nations have also developed different loyalties to their respective political institutions over time.
  • 🌍 The Russian Empire eventually expanded its control to the Pacific Ocean before reaching the lands of Kievan Rus'.
  • 🕰️ The city of Vladimir, with its architectural monuments like the 'Golden Gates', was the capital before Moscow's rise to prominence.
  • ⚔️ Moscow's ascendancy was facilitated by its struggle for favor from the Mongol Tatar Horde during their control over the region.
  • 🇺🇦 The inclusion of Transcarpathian Ukraine into the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic in 1945 marked the fulfillment of the 'Gathering of the Russian Lands' concept.
  • 🌐 Despite linguistic unity, the Slavic peoples are considered distinct nations and peoples, much like Americans and Australians with their variations of English.

Q & A

  • What is the significance of the term 'Kievan Rus' in the context of the Russian Empire?

    -The term 'Kievan Rus' refers to the medieval East Slavic state centered around the city of Kiev. It is important to note that the Kievan Rus is not the same as the modern Russian Empire, which emerged much later in the 18th century. The Kievan Rus was a collection of Slavic principalities, and its people referred to themselves as 'Rus,' which is distinct from the modern term 'Russia.'

  • When did Moscow first come into prominence as a significant city?

    -According to the transcript, the first reference to Moscow dates back to the 12th century when it was founded by one of the princes of the Kievan Rus. However, Moscow did not become the capital and rise to prominence until much later, in the context of the Mongol rule over the former Rus territories.

  • How did Moscow become the center of the Russian Empire?

    -Moscow's rise to prominence is closely tied to the Mongol rule over the former Rus territories. After the Mongol control was overthrown in the late 15th century, Moscow emerged as the new capital, replacing the city of Vladimir. This was a result of Moscow's struggle for favor with the Mongols and its eventual control over the territories of the former Mongol Empire.

  • What is the significance of the term 'Gathering of the Russian Lands' in relation to the Russian Empire?

    -The term 'Gathering of the Russian Lands' refers to the project undertaken by Moscow after the Mongol rule was removed. It involved an effort to bring back the lands of the former Kievan Rus and the territories of the former Mongol Empire under Moscow's control. This process, as conceived by 19th-century Russian historians, aimed to unite the 'Russian lands' under a single rule, and it was completed in 1945 with the incorporation of Transcarpathian Ukraine into the Soviet Union.

  • How does the linguistic diversity among Slavic peoples reflect their ethnic and cultural differences?

    -The linguistic diversity among Slavic peoples, such as the separate languages spoken by Poles, Ukrainians, Russians, and Czechs, is a clear indication that they are distinct peoples with different ethnic and cultural identities. While they share some common linguistic roots, the differences in their languages suggest that they have evolved as separate nations with distinct political traditions and loyalties to different political institutions.

  • How is the concept of a unified 'Slavic people' addressed in the transcript?

    -The transcript acknowledges that while the Slavic peoples share some common linguistic history and political traditions, there are also significant differences that distinguish them as separate nations and peoples. The idea of a unified 'Slavic people' is not fully supported, as the linguistic diversity, political loyalties, and cultural traditions indicate a collection of distinct peoples rather than a single, homogeneous group.

  • What is the significance of Vladimir as a city in the context of the Russian Empire?

    -Vladimir was the capital of the Rus territories before Moscow rose to prominence. It is notable for its architectural monuments, including the Golden Gates of Vladimir, which are among the oldest and most significant architectural landmarks in Russia. The transcript highlights Vladimir's central role and importance as the capital prior to Moscow's ascendance.

  • How did the Mongol rule influence the development of the Russian Empire?

    -The Mongol rule had a significant impact on the development of the Russian Empire. After the overthrow of Mongol control in the late 15th century, Moscow emerged as the new capital, replacing Vladimir. The struggle for favor with the Mongols and the eventual control over the territories of the former Mongol Empire laid the foundation for Moscow's rise as the center of the Russian Empire.

  • What is the significance of the year 1945 in the context of the 'Gathering of the Russian Lands' project?

    -The year 1945 marks the completion of the 'Gathering of the Russian Lands' project, as conceived by 19th-century Russian historians. In that year, the Soviet Union compelled the Czechoslovak government to cede Transcarpathian Ukraine to the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, thereby bringing the last remaining territories under Moscow's control and fulfilling the vision of uniting the 'Russian lands.'

  • How does the transcript compare the concept of a unified nation with the diversity among Slavic peoples?

    -The transcript draws a parallel between the diversity among Slavic peoples and the diversity observed in other linguistic and cultural groups, such as the different variants of English spoken by Americans and Australians. While acknowledging a common linguistic history and some shared political traditions among Slavic peoples, the transcript emphasizes that linguistic differences, political loyalties, and cultural traditions suggest distinct nations and peoples, rather than a single, unified Slavic identity.

Outlines

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🏛️ The Rise of Moscow as the Center of the Russian Empire

This paragraph discusses the emergence of Moscow as the capital of the Russian Empire, replacing the city of Vladimir. It traces the origins of Moscow in the 12th century, founded by one of the princes of the Kievan Rus. The paragraph highlights the context of the Mongol rule over the former Rus lands, and how Moscow rose to prominence under the Mongols. After the Mongol rule ended, Moscow embarked on the project of 'Gathering of the Russian lands,' which was a 19th-century conception of uniting the former territories of Kievan Rus and the Mongol Empire under Moscow's control. This process continued until 1945 when the Soviet Union acquired Transcarpathian Ukraine.

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🗣️ The Linguistic and Political Diversity of Slavic Peoples

This paragraph explores the theme of whether Slavic people are a single group or a collection of multiple peoples. It acknowledges the linguistic differences between Slavic languages like Russian, Ukrainian, Polish, and Czech, indicating distinct identities. However, the paragraph also notes that language alone is not the sole determinant of nationhood, as political traditions, loyalties, and historical experiences also shape national identities. It highlights that while there may be some shared linguistic roots and cultural elements among Slavic nations, they are ultimately distinct peoples with their own unique histories and identities, much like other groups of nations around the world.

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Keywords

💡Russian Empire

The Russian Empire refers to the historical empire that spanned a vast territory across Eurasia from the 16th to the early 20th century. In the transcript, it is mentioned as a term and creation of the 18th century, distinguishing it from the earlier Kievan Rus' and the later Soviet Union. The rise of Moscow as the capital is contrasted with the earlier centers of the Kievan Rus' territories.

💡Kievan Rus'

Kievan Rus' is the term used to refer to the medieval East Slavic state centered in Kyiv (Kiev), which existed from the late 9th to the mid-13th century. The transcript emphasizes that Kievan Rus' is not the same as Russia, as it encompassed multiple Slavic groups and principalities across a broad territory. The script notes that the people of Kievan Rus' referred to themselves as 'Rus' rather than 'Russians'.

💡Moscow

Moscow is the capital city of Russia and a key focal point in the transcript. It is described as emerging in the 12th century, founded by a prince of Kievan Rus'. Moscow's rise to prominence is linked to the context of Mongol rule over the former Rus' lands, eventually becoming the capital of the realm that overthrew Mongol control in the late 15th century, replacing the earlier capital of Vladimir.

💡Mongol rule

The transcript discusses the period of Mongol rule over the former territories of Kievan Rus' as a crucial context for Moscow's rise to prominence. It explains that while the western Rus' lands (present-day Ukraine and Belarus) separated early, the lands that became central and western Russia remained under Mongol control until the late 15th century, when Moscow emerged as the center of the realm that overthrew Mongol dominance.

💡Gathering of the Russian lands

This concept, referred to as a project by 19th-century Russian historians, describes the process of uniting the lands of the former Kievan Rus' and the territories of the former Mongol Empire under Moscow's control. The transcript notes that this 'gathering' of lands, now called 'Russian,' continued until 1945 when the Soviet Union acquired Transcarpathian Ukraine, fulfilling the destiny envisioned by the 19th-century historians.

💡Slavic peoples

The transcript raises the question of whether Slavic peoples should be considered one people or a collection of multiple peoples. It explores this theme by examining linguistic differences (e.g., Russian, Ukrainian, Polish, Czech) and variations in political traditions and loyalties among Slavic nations. The script suggests that while there are shared linguistic roots, the Slavic peoples have distinct identities, histories, and political paths.

💡Language

Language is presented as a key indicator of distinct Slavic identities. The transcript cites the differences between Russian, Ukrainian, Polish, and Czech as clear evidence that these are separate peoples, despite their shared Slavic linguistic origins. It also acknowledges that language alone is not a definitive marker of nationhood, as dialects and variations exist within broader linguistic groups.

💡Political tradition

In addition to language, the transcript highlights political tradition as another factor shaping the identities of Slavic peoples. It suggests that while certain political traditions may be shared, there are also significant differences in loyalty to specific political institutions and histories among Slavic nations, contributing to their distinct national identities.

💡Vladimir

Vladimir is a city mentioned in the transcript as the capital of the realm before Moscow's rise to prominence. It is described as the location of the oldest architectural monuments in Russia, such as the Golden Gates, reflecting its historical importance as a center of power and culture before being superseded by Moscow.

💡Soviet Union

The Soviet Union is referenced in the transcript as the entity that finally completed the 'Gathering of the Russian lands' in 1945 by acquiring Transcarpathian Ukraine from Czechoslovakia and incorporating it into the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic. This event is framed as fulfilling the 19th-century Russian historians' vision of uniting the territories of the former Kievan Rus' under a single political entity.

Highlights

Moscow does not exist at the time when Kiev emerges as the capital of the Kievan Rus'.

The first reference to Moscow comes from the 12th century when it was founded by one of the Kievan princes.

Moscow comes to prominence in the context of the Mongol rule over former Rus' lands.

The part of the former Rus' eventually overthrows the Mongol control with the help of the Lithuanians.

Western and central Russia stayed under Mongol control until the late 15th century.

Moscow rises as the new capital replacing Vladimir, the former capital of the Rus' lands.

After the Mongol rule, Moscow embarks on the project of 'Gathering of the Russian lands'.

The 'Gathering of the Russian lands' ends in 1945 when the Soviet Union acquires Transcarpathian Ukraine.

The speaker questions whether the Slavic people are one people or a collection of multiple peoples.

Language is one clear indicator that Slavic people are different, with separate languages like Polish, Ukrainian, and Russian.

Despite linguistic unity, political traditions and loyalty to political institutions vary among Slavic nations.

The Kievan Rus' referred to themselves as 'Rus' rather than 'Russia', which was a 19th-century term.

Vladimir was the place of the oldest architectural monument, the 'Golden Gate of Russia', before Moscow.

The Russians reached the Pacific Ocean before they reached Kiev, historically.

The Slavic peoples share a common linguistic history but have different languages, political traditions, and national identities.

Transcripts

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so in one perspective and narrative KV

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is at the center of this Russian

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Empire at which point does Moscow become

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come to prominence as the center of the

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Russian Empire well the Russian Empire

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is a term and really creation of the

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18th century uh what we what we have for

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the caveen we call it Caven Rous again

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this is a term of the 19 Century they

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call themselves Rose R and there was

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Metropolitan of rose and there was Rose

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principalities so very important to keep

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in mind that Rus is not Russia because

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that was a selfname for all multiple

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groups on that on that

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territory and U Moscow doesn't exist at

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the time when cave emerges as as the

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capital uh the first the first reference

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to Moscow

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comes from the 12th century when it was

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founded by one of the Caven one of the

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Caven

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princes and uh Moscow comes to

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prominence really in a very different

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context and with a very different Empire

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running the show in the region the story

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of Moscow and the rise of Moscow this is

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the story of the Mongol rule over over

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former R lands and former R

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territories um uh the the part of the

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former Russ eventually overthrows the

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the Mongol control with the help of the

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small group of people called

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lithuanians which which had a young Yan

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State and Yan Dynasty and and United

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this lands which were mostly in today's

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terms Ukrainian and belarussian so they

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separate early and what is today is

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Russia mostly Western Russia Central

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Russia stays under the Mongol control up

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until late 15th century and that was the

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story when Moscow mosco Rises as the new

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capital of that realm replacing the city

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of

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Vladimir uh as as that Capital uh for

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those who ever went to Russia uh they

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they familiar with the with of course

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Vladimir as the place of the oldest uh

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uh architectural Monument

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uh the so-called the golden R of Russia

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and so on and so forth Vladimir is

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Central and there is so many

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architectural monuments there because

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before there was Moscow there was

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Vladimir eventually in this in this

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struggle over over control of the

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territory struggle for favors uh from

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from the Mongols and and the TT horde

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Moscow emerges as as the center of that

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particular realm under Mongols after the

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Mongol rule is uh removed Moscow embarks

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on the project that historians Russian

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historians of the 19th century called

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the Gathering of the Russian

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lands uh using Russian now for Rus and

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and and and trying to to uh bring back

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the the the lands of of former cave and

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Rus but also the lands of the former

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Mongol

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Empire uh the Russians get to the uh

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Pacific before they get to

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K uh historically uh and really the the

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the quote unquote Gathering of the uh uh

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quote unquote Russian lands ends only in

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1945 when uh the Soviet Union uh bullies

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the czechoslovak government into turning

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what is today's trans carpatian Ukraine

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to the Soviet Union it is included in

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the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic

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so that's that's the moment when that

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Destiny the way how it was imagined by

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the 19th century Russian historian was

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eventually fulfilled Moscow was in

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control of all this l so to what degree

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are the Slavic people one people this is

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a theme that will continue throughout I

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think versus a collection of multiple

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peoples whether we're talking about the

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Kevan Roose or we're talking about the

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19th century Russian Empire

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conception well a number of ways to look

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at that one the most obvious the most

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clear is

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language and um there is no question

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that um polls speak a separate language

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and their

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slaves and there is no question for

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anyone um going to Ukraine and here in

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Ukrainian realizing that this is not

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Russian the Lev of comprehension can be

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different you can understand certain

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words and you you you don't understand

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others and the same would be with with

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Polish and the same would be with Czech

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so there is this linguistic uh

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linguistic history that is in common but

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languages very clearly indicate that

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you're deal you're dealing with

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different with different

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peoples um we we know that language is

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not everything Americans speak a

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particular way of English Australians

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speak a particular variant of English uh

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but for reasons of geography history we

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we pretty much believe that despite

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linguistic Unity these are different

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nations and different peoples and and

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there are there are some parts of

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political tradition are in common others

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others are quite different so the same

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when it comes to language the same when

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it comes to political IAL tradition to

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the loyalty to the political institution

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applies to Slavic uh Nations so that's

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that's again there is nothing particular

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unique about the slaves in that

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regard

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