¿Por qué olvidamos algunas cosas y otras no? Saul Martinez-Horta, neuropsicólogo

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4 Mar 202407:36

Summary

TLDRThis transcript delves into the intricate relationship between memory, emotion, and the brain's evolutionary design. The speaker explains how forgetting is a natural process as the brain is not designed to retain everything, with different memory systems for recent and distant recurrences. Diseases like Alzheimer's can selectively impair certain memory storage, while emotions play a crucial role in encoding enduring memories linked to survival. A poignant example illustrates how emotional memories can persist even in cases of severe cognitive impairment, highlighting the profound bond between emotion and memory formation.

Takeaways

  • 😇 The human brain is not evolutionarily designed to prevent forgetting, as forgetting is a normal and sometimes necessary process.
  • 🧠 Short-term memories (e.g., recent events) are stored differently in the brain compared to long-term memories (e.g., childhood experiences).
  • 🤕 Diseases like Alzheimer's tend to damage the brain regions responsible for storing recent memories, while leaving older memories relatively intact.
  • 😮 We often mistakenly think we've forgotten something when, in reality, we never learned or encoded that information in the first place.
  • 🔍 Some memories are easier to access than others, and forgetting may simply be a failure to retrieve information rather than a complete loss.
  • 💗 Emotional experiences tend to create strong, long-lasting memories because emotions signal the brain that the information is important for survival.
  • 👴 Even in advanced stages of neurodegenerative diseases, deeply emotional memories can remain intact, as illustrated by the story of the man who still recognized his wife through their shared emotional connection.
  • 🧐 The brain processes and stores different types of memories (e.g., procedural, episodic, semantic) in distinct ways and locations.
  • 📚 Forgetting is a complex phenomenon influenced by various factors, such as the age of the memory, emotional salience, and brain pathologies.
  • 🤔 Understanding the nuances of memory and forgetting is crucial for appreciating the intricacies of the human mind and brain.

Q & A

  • What is the main topic being discussed in the script?

    -The main topic being discussed is memory, how it works, and the factors that influence the formation and retention of memories, including the role of emotions.

  • Why is forgetting considered a normal and expected process, according to the script?

    -The script states that forgetting is a predictable and normal event because the brain and its processes are not evolutionarily designed to prevent forgetting. In fact, it would be a catastrophe if we never forgot anything.

  • How are recent memories and distant memories stored differently in the brain?

    -Recent memories, such as what we did this morning or last week, are stored in more specific regions of the brain, while distant memories from our childhood are scattered across different regions and territories of the brain.

  • How does Alzheimer's disease affect memory?

    -Alzheimer's disease typically causes an amnesic syndrome, where the person has difficulty learning and incorporating new information into short-term memory storage due to damage in specific brain regions. However, distant memories from childhood are often preserved because they are stored in different areas not initially affected by Alzheimer's.

  • Why do we sometimes think we have forgotten things when we never actually learned them?

    -The script explains that sometimes we believe we have forgotten things when, in reality, we never learned or encoded them into memory in the first place. Forgetting requires prior learning and encoding of information.

  • What is the role of emotions in the formation of strong, long-lasting memories?

    -Emotions have played a critical role in the survival of species throughout evolution. When something happens with an associated emotion, the brain recognizes it as highly relevant for survival and processes and stores that information differently, making it more resistant to forgetting.

  • Can you provide an example from the script that illustrates the power of emotional memories?

    -The script provides an example of a man with a neurodegenerative disease who could not recognize his wife but could still feel the emotional connection to her when listening to boleros, which were connected to their shared emotional memories from their youth.

  • What is the significance of the example provided in the script about the man with a neurodegenerative disease?

    -The example illustrates the complex interplay between memory, emotion, and different types of recollection. It shows how emotional memories can persist even when factual memories are lost due to brain damage or disease.

  • How does the script explain the phenomenon of forgetting some things but not others?

    -The script suggests that forgetting is influenced by factors such as the temporal gradient of memories (recent vs. distant), the emotional significance of the memory, and the specific brain regions involved in storing different types of memories.

  • What is the overall message or conclusion conveyed in the script regarding memory and forgetting?

    -The overall message is that memory and forgetting are complex processes influenced by various factors, including the age of the memory, the emotional significance, and the involvement of different brain regions. The script emphasizes the intricate relationship between memory, emotion, and the brain's evolutionary mechanisms for survival.

Outlines

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🧠 The Brain's Memory System and Forgetting

This paragraph discusses how the brain's memory system is evolutionarily designed to allow for forgetting, which is a normal and expected process. It explains that some memories are anchored in recent events, while others are scattered across different regions of the brain, such as remote memories from childhood. The example of Alzheimer's disease is given, where recent memories are affected while remote memories remain intact. The paragraph also introduces the idea that some perceived instances of forgetting may actually be cases of never having learned or encoded the information in the first place.

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💔 The Interplay of Emotion and Memory

This paragraph explores the profound connection between emotion and memory. It presents an anecdote about a couple where the husband, suffering from a neurodegenerative disease affecting his memory, could not recognize his wife but was still deeply connected to her through emotional memories. The paragraph explains that emotional experiences are processed differently by the brain's ancient systems, leading to highly durable and indelible memories. Emotionally charged events, such as traumatic incidents or significant personal milestones, tend to be encoded more strongly and are less prone to forgetting due to their perceived relevance for survival.

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Keywords

💡Forgetfulness

Forgetfulness refers to the brain's evolutionary design to allow the omission of memories. The video emphasizes that not being able to forget would be disastrous, suggesting that forgetfulness is a natural and predictable phenomenon, both in normal and pathological contexts. This concept underlines the idea that forgetting is an essential part of memory processing, enabling the brain to prioritize more relevant information over less important details.

💡Memory Systems

Memory systems in the brain are mentioned as varying based on the age of the memory. Recent memories, such as what one had for dinner last night, are stored differently from remote memories, like those of one's school days. This differentiation highlights how the brain organizes memories across different regions, depending on their temporal gradient, illustrating the complexity of memory storage and retrieval mechanisms.

💡Alzheimer's Disease

Alzheimer's Disease is highlighted as a condition that preferentially targets and destroys certain 'memory storage systems' in the brain, leading to significant memory loss, particularly of recent events. However, the video points out that early-life memories are often preserved even in advanced stages of Alzheimer's, indicating a differential vulnerability of memory systems to the disease.

💡Amnesic Syndrome

Amnesic syndrome is described as a condition characterized by a person's significant difficulty in learning new information or retrieving memories from the 'broken storage' due to diseases like Alzheimer's. This concept helps in understanding specific symptoms associated with memory disorders, highlighting the brain's inability to function normally in memory processing.

💡Emotional Memory

Emotional memory refers to the enhanced memorability of events associated with strong emotions. The video discusses how emotions play a critical role in evolutionary survival and hence, emotionally charged memories (e.g., witnessing significant events) are processed differently, making them more likely to be remembered. This underscores the interplay between emotion and memory in the brain's encoding and retrieval processes.

💡Learning

Learning is mentioned as a prerequisite for forgetfulness. The video articulates that for one to forget something, it must first be learned. This perspective provides insight into the process of memory formation, suggesting that what is often perceived as forgetfulness might be a lack of initial learning rather than loss of information.

💡Memory Access

Memory access describes the ease or difficulty in retrieving memories. The script suggests that not all forgotten memories are lost; some are simply harder to access. This concept is crucial for distinguishing between true memory loss and retrieval failure, contributing to a more nuanced understanding of memory dynamics.

💡Evolution

Evolution is referenced in the context of emotional memories playing a critical role in survival. The script explains how the brain has evolved to prioritize memories associated with emotions due to their relevance for survival, indicating an adaptive aspect of memory processing across millions of years.

💡Temporal Gradient

The temporal gradient concept relates to the distribution of memories over time, with recent and remote memories being processed and stored differently. The video uses this idea to explain why some memories are retained while others are not, shedding light on the varying susceptibility of different memory types to decay or disease.

💡Cognitive Disorder

Cognitive disorder is discussed through the example of a neurodegenerative disease affecting memory, where a patient cannot recognize his wife but feels a deep connection. This illustrates the complexity of memory and emotion, showing how deep-seated emotional memories can persist even when cognitive functions are severely impaired.

Highlights

The brain and its processes are not evolutionarily designed to prevent forgetting; in fact, forgetting is a predictable occurrence and part of normality, but also pathology.

Some memories are anchored to a specific time close to the present moment, involving different brain systems than remote memories from childhood.

Remote memories are not stored in a concrete location, but are scattered across different regions of the brain, while more recent memories are more localized in a storage system.

Diseases like Alzheimer's tend to destroy these recent memory storage systems, leading to an amnesic syndrome where learning and incorporating new information becomes difficult.

However, even in advanced Alzheimer's patients, childhood memories remain intact because they are stored in brain regions less affected by the disease.

Sometimes, we think we've forgotten things, but in reality, we never learned them properly in the first place.

There is a distinction between forgetting information and being unable to access it; some memories are easier to access than others.

Experiences that occur in emotional contexts tend to become unforgettable memories because emotions played a critical role in the survival of our species throughout evolution.

When the brain experiences emotion, it signals to ancient systems that the information is highly relevant for survival, leading to the formation of strong, lasting memories.

An example is given of a man with a neurodegenerative disease who could not recognize his wife but still felt a deep emotional connection to her when hearing boleros they had listened to in their youth.

This illustrates the complex relationship between memory and emotion, where emotional memories can persist even when factual details are lost due to brain damage.

The distribution of memories based on their temporal gradient, with some persisting and others being forgotten, is one of the reasons that explains why certain things are remembered while others are not.

The brain processes emotional experiences differently, storing them in a way that makes them more resistant to forgetting due to their perceived relevance for survival.

The integration of emotional contexts and memories is a complex phenomenon that can lead to intriguing clinical scenarios, as demonstrated by the example of the man with a neurodegenerative disease.

The interplay between memory, emotion, and brain function highlights the intricate mechanisms involved in the formation, storage, and retrieval of different types of memories.

Transcripts

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el cerebro y sus procesos no está

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evolutivamente diseñado para que no se

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produzca el olvido de hecho sería una

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catástrofe no olvidar de modo que el

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olvido es una contecimiento previsible y

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en el contexto de la normalidad pero

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también de la patología tod inventamos

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que hay sucesos que se olvidan y otros

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que no se olvidan y de ahí pueden hacer

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la pregunta de Por qué hay cosas que se

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olvidan y otras que nos olvidan aquí hay

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distintos elementos a tener en cuenta

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hay recuerdos anclados a un instante en

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el tiempo no muy alejado del momento

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presente lo que yo he comido esta mañana

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o lo que hice hace una

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semana implica unos sistemas en el

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cerebro distintos a ese recuerdo que

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tiene que ver en Cómo era mi escuela esa

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en la que iba cuando yo tenía 10 años

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ese recuerdo tan

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remoto estos recuerdos remotos

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simplifico no están en un almacén en

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concreto han quedado desperdigados por

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distintas regiones o territorios de

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nuestra de nuestro cerebro y estos

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recuerdos más recientes lo que yo cené

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ayer sí que a día de hoy lo tengo más

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colocado como en un sistema de

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almacenaje

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determinadas enfermedades tienen la

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predilección por destruir estos

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almacenes Como por ejemplo lo es la

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enfermedad de alzheimer enfermedad de

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alzheimer tiene en la mayoría de los

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casos porque hay formas atípicas suele

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asociar lo que llamamos un síndrome

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amnésico un síndrome que se caracteriza

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porque la persona tiene una gran

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dificultad para aprender para incorporar

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información en este almacén porque el

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almacén está roto y cuando va a buscar

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información en este almacén no la

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encuentra porque sea ido Se ha perdido

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pero sorprendentemente Incluso en un

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paciente evolucionado con enfermedad de

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alzheimer le hablas de su niñez y te la

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cuenta porque esos recuerdos no están en

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estas zonas que el alzheimer tiene

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predilección por desintegrar muy al

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principio están en otros lugares ese es

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uno de los motivos que explica el Cómo

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se distribuyen los recuerdos o las

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memorias atendiendo al gradiente

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temporal porque unos permanecen y otros

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no luego hay otros escenario y es que

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hay muchas cosas que creemos que hemos

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olvidado que no las hemos

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olvidado primero porque hay cosas que no

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se han olvidado porque jamás las

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aprendimos muchas veces la gente dice

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ostras es que se me olvidan muchas cosas

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y yo le suelo explicar para que se

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produzca el fenómeno del olvido es

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absolutamente necesario que se haya

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producido el aprendizaje y para que se

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produzca el aprendizaje son necesarias

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otras cosas Quizás lo que sucedió es que

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no aprendiste

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Pero si yo he aprendido y tengo la

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impresión de que he olvidado aquí es

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donde nosotros A veces tenemos que

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valorar si en efecto Se ha producido el

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olvido y la información ya no está o si

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lo que no consigues es acceder a la

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información hay recuerdos a los cuales

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es más fácil acceder hay recuerdos a los

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cuales es más difícil acceder y en

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última instancia hay un fenómeno

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obvio Y es que hay

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experiencias que suceden en un contexto

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en el que cohabita la situación con la

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emoción y eso involuntariamente en

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muchos casos convierte muchos de los

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elementos que están en ese contexto en

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una memoria

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imborrable creo que todos podríamos más

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o menos situarnos con bastante precisión

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mientras observábamos los atentados de

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las Torres Gemelas o mientras revivimos

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los atentados en Madrid o cuando

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recordamos nuestra primera fita o

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incluso la primera canción que bailamos

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con x esos recuerdos tienen un aspecto

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muy distinto muy muy distinto Pero por

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qué Por qué sucede esto porque las

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emociones a lo largo de la evolución han

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jugado un papel crítico en la

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supervivencia de nuestra especie y de

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otras

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especies y cuando el cerebro se emociona

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una cosa es la experiencia que nosotros

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tenemos pero la otra cosa es lo que la

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emoción le cuenta a un sistema que lleva

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millones de años de evolucionando y lo

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que la emoción le cuenta a este sistema

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es sencillo le cuenta Ey esto es

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relevante para tu

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supervivencia de modo que cuando algo

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sucede asociado a emoción la información

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que estos sistemas del cerebro dedicados

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a procesar la emoción y la memoria lo

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que a ellos les llega es un cuidado que

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esto es sumamente importante para

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nuestra especie no lo olvides y eso hace

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que este tipo de información el cerebro

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la maneje de una manera manera distinta

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la sitúa en otro lugar y eso da lugar a

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a escenarios

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clínicos muy muy bonitos de ver entre

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comillas no por ejemplo que lo cuenta un

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cerebros rotos era una pareja donde el

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hombre había desarrollado una enfermedad

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neurodegenerativa poco conocida se llama

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una parálisis supranuclear

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progresiva lo que llamamos parkinsonism

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atípicos una enfermedad que suele

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asociar síntomas parecidos a la

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enfermedad de parkinson pero acompañado

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de un trastorno cognitivo que suele ser

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muy grave sin entrar en los detalles de

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qué causaba ese trastorno cognitivo este

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paciente tenía un evidente compromiso de

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la memoria hasta el punto que en una de

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las visitas era incapaz de reconocer y

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de saber quién era la mujer que tenía al

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lado que llevaba toda la vida con él y

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en una de estas visitas la mujer me dijo

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Bueno yo ya he asumido que esa persona

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ya no está y cada semana un par de días

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me le llevo era eran de de las Islas

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Canarias me le llevo a un hotel donde

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íbamos de jóvenes y le pido al pianista

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que toque boleros y él está ahí

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tranquilo relajado escuchando los

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boleros no y me contaba la mujer una de

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estas veces que salimos Él me dijo si me

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pidió matrimonio me preguntó si me

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quería casar con él

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no Y entonces claro yo tenía este señor

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ahí sentado y le pregunté pero pero

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usted sabe quién es esta mujer y me

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decía no Entonces yo le pregunté y y

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como es que le ha pedido matrimonio a

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una desconocida y él me decía No lo sé

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porque sé que es la mujer de mi

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vida y es

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cierto él no lo sabía pero esa era la

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mujer de su vida lo había sido durante

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toda su vida no podía ponerle un nombre

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no podía recordar que ya habían ido de

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jóvenes a escuchar esos boleros pero un

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tipo de recuerdo sin una forma

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específica pero totalmente aliment

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de la más profunda emotividad le estaba

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diciendo a este hombre esta es la mujer

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de tu vida no ese es un poco el

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escenario tan complejo que nos podemos

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encontrar cuando hablamos de memoria y

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de

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emoción

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y