ISO/IEC 17025:2017 Decision Rules and their Application to Meeting the Requirements

Perry Johnson Laboratory Accreditation Inc.
20 Sept 201953:25

Summary

TLDRこのウェビナーでは、Perry Johnson Laboratory Accreditationのマイケル・クレイマーが、ISO 17025:2017の要件を満たすための決定規則とその応用について説明します。彼は、測定不確かさを考慮に入れる方法と、顧客との合意の重要性に焦点を当て、さまざまな決定規則の例とそれらがどのように適用されるかを紹介します。また、リスク管理の新たな要求事項と、ラボが柔軟で顧客のニーズを満たすための手順についても触れています。質問応答セッションを通じて、決定規則の概念に関する参加者からの疑問に答え、次回のウェビナーについても紹介しています。

Takeaways

  • 🔑 ISO 17025:2017では、測定の不確かさを考慮して適合性の判定を行う際の「決定規則」を定義し、顧客と合意する必要がある。
  • 🤝 決定規則は、契約レビュー段階で顧客と合意し、文書化する必要がある。
  • 🎯 決定規則には、単純な合否判定だけでなく、条件付き合格や不合格などの複数の判定レベルを設定できる。
  • ⚖️ 決定規則には、偽陽性(不合格品を合格と判定)や偽陰性(合格品を不合格と判定)のリスクレベルを考慮する必要がある。
  • 📚 一部の試験方法や規格では、決定規則がすでに規定されている場合があり、その場合は別途の決定規則は不要。
  • 🔍 測定の不確かさを無視する「単純受入れ」の決定規則を適用する場合、その旨を文書化し、偽陽性や偽陰性のリスクを最大50%と見なす必要がある。
  • 📝 報告書には、適用した決定規則と関連するリスクレベルを文書化する必要がある。
  • 🔄 内部顧客に対しては、結果の報告を簡素化できるが、必要に応じて不確かさの影響を追跡できるよう記録を残す。
  • 🧩 顧客が適合性の判定を必要としない場合は、決定規則の文書化は不要。
  • ✨ 決定規則の適用は柔軟性が求められ、顧客の要求事項を満たすために各検査機関がケースバイケースで対応する必要がある。

Q & A

  • 決定規則とは何ですか?

    -決定規則とは、測定の不確かさを考慮して、規格への適合または不適合の判定をする際の基準を定めるルールのことです。ISO 17025:2017規格で新たに導入されました。

  • なぜ決定規則が重要なのですか?

    -測定値だけでは規格への適合性を適切に判断できない場合があるため、測定の不確かさを考慮する必要があります。決定規則はこの不確かさを考慮した上で適合性を判定するルールを定めるものです。

  • 決定規則はどのように適用されますか?

    -契約レビューの段階で顧客と決定規則について合意し、そのルールに従って結果を報告する必要があります。単純な合格/不合格判定だけでなく、条件付き合格/不合格などの複数の判定区分を設けることもできます。

  • 決定規則は誰が定めるのですか?

    -試験所または校正機関が決定規則を定め、顧客と合意する必要があります。試験方法や規格によっては、決定規則が既に定められている場合もあります。

  • 測定の不確かさを考慮しない場合はどうなりますか?

    -測定の不確かさを考慮しない単純な合格/不合格判定では、不適合品を合格と誤って判定する(受入れる)リスクや、適合品を不合格と誤って判定する(拒否する)リスクが高くなる可能性があります。最大で50%のリスクがあると言われています。

  • 決定規則は校正証明書にどのように表記されますか?

    -決定規則の詳細は校正証明書に記載する必要があります。判定基準となる許容範囲、不確かさの扱い方、合格/不合格の判定区分、各判定区分のリスクなどを明記します。

  • 決定規則は内部顧客にも適用されますか?

    -内部顧客の場合、決定規則の適用は必須ではありませんが、後から測定の不確かさを評価できるようにしておく必要があります。外部顧客には決定規則を適用し、契約時に合意を得る必要があります。

  • 特定の試験方法に決定規則が組み込まれている場合はどうすればよいですか?

    -試験方法に決定規則が組み込まれている場合は、その規定に従えばよく、別途決定規則を定める必要はありません。ただし、顧客との合意は必要です。

  • 決定規則を適用しない場合、どのようなリスクがありますか?

    -決定規則を適用しないと、不適合品を誤って合格と判定したり、適合品を誤って不合格と判定したりするリスクが高くなります。このようなリスクを顧客に伝え、合意を得る必要があります。

  • 決定規則の選択や適用に関するガイダンスはありますか?

    -ILACのガイダンス文書G8には、決定規則の選択や適用に関するガイダンスが記載されています。さまざまな事例や計算例が示されているので、参考になります。

Outlines

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😀 開会の挨拶と導入

スピーカーのMichael Kramerによる開会の挨拶とwebinarの目的の説明。本webinarはPerry Johnson Laboratory Accreditationから行われており、参加者にはwebinarの録画とスライドが後から提供される予定。本webinarのトピックはISO 17025:2017における決定規則とその適用であり、主に校正プログラムについての内容になる。

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🧐 決定規則の要求事項

ISO 17025:2017では、顧客が規格や仕様への適合性の判定を要求した場合、その決定規則を明確に定義し、顧客と合意する必要がある。決定規則は契約レビューの際に協議され、同意を得る必要がある。決定規則は、測定の不確かさを考慮に入れる方法を説明するものである。顧客の要求に柔軟に対応できるよう、手順を定めることも規定されている。

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📚 ILACガイダンス文書について

決定規則に関するILACのガイダンス文書G8が最近発行された。この文書は、ISO 17025:2017の規格や仕様への適合性の判定に際して、どのように決定規則を適用するかについてのガイダンスを提供している。決定規則の定義と、ガードバンド、簡易受入れ、テスト不確かさ比(TUR)などの関連用語についても説明されている。

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🔍 規格や試験方法に決定規則が含まれている場合

一部の規格や試験方法には、既に決定規則が組み込まれている場合がある。例えばASTM E84、ASTM A29などでは、手法の中で決定規則が定義されており、さらにガードバンドを追加する必要がない。ISO 14253などの規格でもガードバンドが組み込まれている。このような場合は、規格や試験方法に従えば良い。

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📐 決定規則の要件

ISO 17025:2017では、適合性の判定において測定の不確かさを考慮に入れることを求めている。通常は95%信頼の下限値(k=2)が用いられるが、場合によっては99%信頼の下限値(k=3)を要求されることもある。測定値と許容限界の関係によって、単純受入れ、不適合、条件付き適合などの判定結果が生じる。

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💯 単純受入れの決定規則

顧客が単純受入れの決定規則を希望し、合意した場合、測定値が許容限界内にあれば適合、外にあれば不適合と判定する。この場合、測定の不確かさは考慮されず、偽認証や偽棄却のリスクが最大50%となることを顧客に伝える必要がある。

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🎯 ガードバンドを用いた決定規則

顧客がガードバンドを用いた決定規則を希望し、合意した場合、許容限界の内側にガードバンドが設けられ、適合、条件付き適合、条件付き不適合、不適合の4種類の判定が行われる。この場合、偽認証と偽棄却のリスクは2.5%以下に抑えられるが、許容限界付近では最大50%のリスクとなる。

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✅ その他の決定規則の表記例

顧客と合意の上で、測定不確かさを考慮した上で、偽認証/棄却のリスクが5%を超えない場合のみ「適合」と報告する決定規則を採用することも可能である。単純で明確な表記方法として、「測定値±測定不確かさ」が仕様内に完全に収まる場合のみ適合と判定するという決定規則もある。

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⁉️ 決定規則が必要ない場合

適合性の判定が必要ない場合は、決定規則を報告する必要はない。しかし、顧客から適合性の判定が求められた際は、契約レビューの際に決定規則について合意を得る必要がある。また、一部の試験では決定規則が不要な場合もあるが、その場合は顧客との合意が重要である。

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🔚 まとめと質疑応答

プレゼンテーションのまとめと、参加者からの質問に対する回答。決定規則を適用しない場合は、顧客との合意が重要であること、決定規則は契約レビュー時に合意する必要があること、内部顧客には簡易報告でも構わないことなどが強調された。特定の試験方法については回答が難しい場合があるが、ILACのガイダンス文書を参照するとよいことが説明された。

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Keywords

💡決定規則

決定規則とは、校正や試験の結果について、規格への適合性を判定する際に測定の不確かさをどのように考慮するかを定めた規則のことです。この規則は、ISO 17025:2017の要求事項として新たに追加されました。規則の内容は顧客と合意して決め、校正証明書などに記載する必要があります。たとえば、単純に合格/不合格と判定するのか、条件付き合格などの判定基準を設けるのかを定める決定規則は、不確かさの取り扱いに影響し、顧客への報告にも関係します。

💡測定の不確かさ

測定の不確かさとは、測定値から真値への偏りの程度を示す指標です。決定規則では、測定値と規格限界値の関係だけでなく、この不確かさがどのように判定に影響するかを考慮する必要があります。たとえば、測定値が限界値内でも、不確かさを加味すると限界値を超える可能性がある場合、その取り扱いを決定規則で規定します。不確かさは校正証明書などに記載され、顧客が合否判定の際に参考にできます。スクリプトでは、不確かさを考慮した複数の判定区分の例が示されています。

💡合否判定

合否判定とは、校正や試験の結果について、規格への適合性を判定することです。合格/不合格の二値判定だけでなく、条件付き合格や条件付き不合格など、複数の判定区分を設けることができます。決定規則は、どのような判定区分を設け、その際の不確かさの取り扱いをどうするかを規定するものです。スクリプトでは、単純な合格/不合格の判定だけでなく、不確かさを考慮した条件付き判定の例が示されています。さらに、虚偽の合格/不合格のリスクも決定規則に含める必要があると説明されています。

💡契約レビュー

契約レビューとは、顧客との契約内容を確認し、要求事項を満たすことができるかを確認する工程です。決定規則に関しては、顧客が校正証明書などに合否判定を記載することを求める場合、この契約レビューの段階で決定規則の内容を顧客と合意し、記録しておく必要があります。スクリプトでは、契約レビューにおける決定規則の取り決めが重要な要求事項として強調されています。

💡リスク

リスクとは、ある事象が起きる確率と、その事象が及ぼす影響の組み合わせで表されます。決定規則の文脈では、虚偽の合格や不合格が問題となるリスクを考慮する必要があります。これらのリスクは決定規則に記載し、顧客と合意しておくことが求められています。たとえば、簡単な合格/不合格の判定では、虚偽の合格や不合格のリスクが50%にもなる場合があるため、そのリスクを認識しておく必要があります。スクリプトでは、リスクがこうした決定規則の重要な要素として説明されています。

💡ガードバンド

ガードバンドとは、規格の限界値の内側に設けられた判定区間のことです。測定の不確かさを考慮して、限界値よりある程度内側の値を合格、外側の値を不合格と判定するための区間です。ガードバンドを設けることで、単に値が限界値内外かだけでなく、不確かさも加味した合理的な判定ができます。スクリプトでは、ガードバンドを設けて条件付き合格/不合格の区間を作る決定規則の例が示されています。

💡IALGガイダンス文書

IALGガイダンス文書とは、国際試験所認定機関協力体(ILAC)が発行した決定規則の適用に関するガイダンス文書です。ISO 17025:2017の新しい要求事項に対応するため、決定規則の設定方法や考え方が解説されています。スクリプトでは、このIALGガイダンス文書G8を参考資料として紹介し、その内容を一部引用しながら決定規則の具体例を説明しています。このガイダンス文書は、決定規則の理解と実践に役立つ重要な資料となっています。

💡規格の引用

規格の引用とは、決定規則がその試験や校正の規格・基準に既に規定されている場合を指します。たとえば、ASTM規格などの一部の試験方法には、判定の仕方や不確かさの取り扱いが規定されていることがあります。このような場合は、その規格に従った決定規則を適用すれば良く、ISO 17025の要求事項を満たすことができます。スクリプトでは、こうした規格への引用が決定規則の設定を不要とする例外事項として説明されています。

💡内部顧客

内部顧客とは、同じ組織内の部門や関連会社などを指します。ISO 17025の要求事項は主に外部顧客向けのサービスを想定していますが、内部顧客向けのサービスについては柔軟な対応が認められています。決定規則に関しても、内部顧客の場合は必ずしも報告書に記載する必要はありません。ただし、必要に応じて不確かさを考慮した合否判定ができるよう、根拠となるデータは保持しておく必要があります。スクリプトでは、内部顧客への報告に関する質問に対してこの点が説明されています。

💡試験手順

試験手順とは、試験を実施する際に従う具体的な方法や手順のことです。一部の試験手順では、判定基準や不確かさの取り扱いが規定されている場合があります。このような場合は、その試験手順に従った決定規則を適用すれば、ISO 17025の要求事項を満たすことができます。しかし、試験の種類によっては手順に判定基準がない場合もあり、そのような場合は別途決定規則を設ける必要があります。スクリプトでは、試験手順に決定規則が含まれている例が紹介されています。

Highlights

Michael Kramer introduces the webinar on behalf of Perry Johnson Laboratory Accreditation, focusing on the decision rule and its applications to meet ISO 17025:2017 requirements.

The webinar emphasizes the importance of decision rules in the context of ISO 17025:2017, highlighting their role in accounting for measurement uncertainty in statements of conformity.

Introduction to the concept of decision rules, explaining how they have always been a requirement but were not previously defined until the 2017 standard.

Explains the necessity of defining and agreeing on decision rules during the contract review process with customers.

Discussion on whether a default decision rule can be applied and how it must be presented and agreed upon during contract review.

Highlighting the flexibility required in applying decision rules to accommodate various customer requirements and the diverse applications of tests and calibrations.

Illustration of how different applications (e.g., DNA testing, public health, educational purposes) require different levels of risk acceptance in decision rules.

Emphasis on the laboratory's responsibility to review customer requests and ensure the selection of appropriate methods and procedures.

Introduction to guidance document ILAG G8, aimed at assisting laboratories in using decision rules for declaring conformity with specifications or standards.

Explanation of guard banding and its relevance to decision rules, including the concepts of simple acceptance and the test uncertainty ratio (TUR).

Discussion on the expanded role of measurement uncertainty and decision rules in the 2017 version of ISO 17025.

Clarification on the application of decision rules in both testing and calibration, with examples from ASTM standards.

Exploration of different decision rule approaches, including binary and non-binary statements, and the implications for risk of false acceptance or rejection.

Details on how to document decision rules on calibration or test reports, emphasizing the importance of agreement with the customer.

Q&A session addressing specific questions about decision rules, measurement uncertainty, and reporting requirements.

Conclusion of the webinar with a reminder about the availability of the recorded session and slides on Perry Johnson's website.

Transcripts

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hello welcome my name is Michael Kramer

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I am presenting this month's webinar on

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behalf of Perry Johnson laboratory

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accreditation I want to thank everybody

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for logging in and listening to us this

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afternoon or this morning depending on

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where you're happy to be located

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I am the calibration inspection program

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and repeat in LA and this month I will

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be presenting on the decision rule and

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their applications to meet the

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requirements of ISO 17025

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2017 they're with me I'm having a little

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problem getting to my starting point

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all right sorry about that folks

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this webinar is being recorded all the

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webinars are recorded you can go online

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at the Perry Johnson's website PG laughs

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comm go to the tide recorded webinars

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surely when we're completed here and

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that was a Friday have some colleagues

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that may have started their weekend a

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little are only had perhaps would

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appreciate the fact they can go on our

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website and listen to today's

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presentation also the individual slide

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will also be available on our website go

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to the webinars tab and you will see the

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time for just a slide presentations and

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there's no need to email me and asking

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for the slides they are available upon

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our website along with the recording as

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always that you can answer you can ask

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questions during the course of this

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webinar we'll entertain them at the

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conclusion you should have a box there

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on your screen again please keep your

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questions related to today's topic

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today's topic a decision rule it's going

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to vary on how that's looked at

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particularly among you folks in testing

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just bear in mind I am a calibration

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individual if your very program specific

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in regards to say perhaps a specific

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tester doing I may not be able to answer

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your question hopefully I will answer a

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lot of those during the course of this

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presentation so a decision rule so what

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is that should be nothing new there was

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a requirement in the 2017 and

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incorporations decision rule it was

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there however it was never defined so

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the 2017 standard is one of the

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definitions that that the standard has

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encompassed and you can see the

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definition of a decision rule is a role

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that describes how measurement

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uncertainty is accounted for when making

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statements of conformity with a

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specified requirement when I said that

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was always been a requirement we have an

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Clause from the 2005 standard

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underreporting so whenever you made that

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statement of compliance the measurement

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excuse me the uncertainty of measurement

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shall be taken into account X that's

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what the decision rule is as you can see

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by the definition it's how it's taking

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into account so you'll see it's a

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magnified in 2017

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so the decision rule first makes its

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appearance in the 2017 after that

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definition the ones in the section 4

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review request tenders and contracts so

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under clause 7 1 3 when the customer

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requests a statement of conformity to a

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specification or a standard for a test

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or calibration and what we're saying

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then you'll see this further clarified

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in this presentation if your report is

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making a statement such as pass/fail

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intolerance out of Tolerance that's a

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statement of conformity the decision

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rule shall be clearly defined unless it

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heard it in the requested specification

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or standard the decision rule shall be

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communicated to and a key word here is

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an agreed with the customer so the key

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is also when it's requested which

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implies it is requested by the customer

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this means that the contract review must

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must take place and a clear indication

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agreed on before the job is started so

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instant decision rule should be

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discussed and agreed to up in the nor

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any a contract review process

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so I proposed the question can there be

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a default decision role taking or leave

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and sort of approach and I have good and

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we're doing more and more assessments

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now of course to the 2017 standard folks

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are transition tune is going to expire

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in roughly a year so most everyone who

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is having their assessments now when

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we're coming on site is to the new

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standard so I've seen this before a

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decision wrong with default decision

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rule prevent it during contract remote

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review and of course I would say if a

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customer sees that and agree and agrees

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to that then you're fulfilling the

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requirement during contract review that

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is presented and agree to one thing I

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like to specify here with the decision

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rule however laboratory you'll see here

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some clauses where the laboratory needs

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to be flexible and if they have the

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capabilities to meet the requirements of

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the customers

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this is specified in other parts of the

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standard also I just want to have an

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example here so uh what size may not fit

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at all so you may have a varied array of

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clients so it's about an example here of

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a pipette so under these various

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examples here a pipette can be used for

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DNA testing in a crime lab - yeah like

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that can be used for it's uh could be

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used in a court of law in other words

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the results of any sort of testing that

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that pipette was used for public health

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the pipette that can be used to test

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drinking water for example or else a

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pipette can be used perhaps in a

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chemistry class or some other rough

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estimation of delivered volumes so I

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would say

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based on these circumstances the left

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excuse me the rebel of list of false

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acceptance would not be the same and

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some of your customers may have very

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very different criteria for defining how

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the decision rule is applied in

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reporting their statement of compliance

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so again the standard is also as far as

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meeting customers requirements being

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flexible the lavatory shall have a

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procedure for reviewing request tenders

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in contracts does wherever the decision

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rule first appears and under the the

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procedure shall ensure that the

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appropriate methods and procedures are

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selected and are capable of meeting the

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customers requirements also the lavatory

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shall cooperate with customers

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representatives even clarifying the

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customer's request and in monitoring the

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laboratories performance in relation to

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the work performed under structural

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requirement so the habit reactivity

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shall be carried out in such a way as to

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meet the requirements of this documents

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in the laboratories customers regulatory

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authorities and organizations providing

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recognition laboratory manner in which a

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community shall ensure the communication

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take place regarding the effectiveness

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the management system and the importance

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of meeting customers and other

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requirements and also under reporting

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the results shall include all

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information agreed with the customer and

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necessary for the interpretation of the

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results and all information required by

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the method used also some flexibility

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may be needed in regards to risk which

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is now a key factor and actually an enum

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of section within the 17.25 standard so

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custom

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which operate both 1/3 1/7 go to five

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and also you may have clients that are

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now presented wrists in ISO 9001 2015

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where they're looking at that that risk

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perhaps more closely the risk of false

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acceptance of making a statement of

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compliance on their tests or calibration

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reports so they're on 9001 six point one

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that's where that there's require miss

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Norris actions taken to address risk and

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opportunities shall be proportional to

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the potential impact on the conformity

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of the products and services and of

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course on the 1 702 5 Section 85 is a

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new requirements concerning risk so if

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you happen if you're at calibration lab

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and you're doing working work perhaps

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for a testing lab they don't know how as

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per Section eight five the laboratory

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shall consider the risk and

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opportunities associated with laboratory

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activities so well shortly after I began

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writing this presentation a guidance

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document came out so I want to bring

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your attention to this I have

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incorporated some of the ideas behind

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this guidance document into my

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presentation today this is an I'll a

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guidance document G documents G stands

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for guidance they're different than the

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P documents which are policy documents

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which pjl AR PL 1 2 P L 3 PL 4 stem from

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I lack policies this is a guidance

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document I was able to get hold of this

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and review it just hot off the press so

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this guidance document has been prepared

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to assist laboratories in the use of

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decision rules when declaring statement

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of conformity to a specification or

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standard

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that's required now in 175 the revised

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one 705 2017 recognizes that no single

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decision rule can address all statements

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of conformity across the Bombers scope

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of testing and calibration and 175 is

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for testing and calibration and there's

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multiple types of testing the

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calibration of course that folks under

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our accreditation are accredited to

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perform so a couple definitions I did

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these are brought forth from the

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guidance document it comes up but often

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with decision rules the concept of a

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guard banding the interval between

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e-collar aslam it and a corresponding

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accept lease limit where that accept

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this living is the tolerance limit with

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an acceptance limit which is guard

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banded there's something called simple

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acceptance this is a decision rule in

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which the excess subject acceptance

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limit is the same as the tolerance

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limits so if you look at that and you

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think about that that implies no guard

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Manning that is called simple excuse me

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simple acceptance term you see often

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used a lot with uncertainty and

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tolerance is a TR ratio test uncertainty

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ratio and that is the ratio of the

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tolerance of a measured quantity divided

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by this is assuming your K equals to 95%

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which those born cases they are divided

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by the 95% expanding measurement

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uncertainty of the measurement process

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there's your formula they're left on at

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the bottom of this slide for those folks

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that are interested you can always

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google it

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the I like g8 document is free you could

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get it right off the I lack website i do

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go over some examples here I don't cover

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the whole document so if you like to

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that is a resource there that I'm

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presenting here and there is the direct

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link to all the guys excuse me to all

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the I like guidance document and from

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that page you can of course go directly

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to g8 you might find some other

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interesting documents there as well so

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of course one seven oh two five and

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includes criteria related to decision

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rules in conformity with requirements

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and resources and processes or lady to

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we'll see in personnel we've already

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talked about contract review it's

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addressed right up in the front there

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that's media agreed to up front and

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reporting is described below again I

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have the decision rule definition here

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which is the clause three point seven in

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the standard under personnel six to six

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it requires that old laboratory shall

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authorized personnel to perform and now

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this results including statements of

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conformity or opinions and

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interpretation and son this individual

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who's authorized to analyze these

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statements that conformance should be

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versed in the decision rule and of

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course there are applications and of

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course reporting so we basically saw in

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the old 2005 standard when you make a

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statement of conformity measurement

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uncertainty had to be taken into account

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so we'll see some I haven't per made

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them here from the standard how that's

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expanded particularly in the reporting

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of results so when a statement of

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conformity to us

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specification or standard for a test

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calibration is provided the laboratory

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shall document the decision were

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employed taking into account the level

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of risks such as false accept and false

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accept statistical assumptions

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associated with the decision rule

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employed and apply the decision rule 786

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- requires that lavatory shall report on

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a statement of conformity such as the

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statement clearly identified over which

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results the statement of conformity

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applies which specification standards

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are part thereof or met or not met and

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then last but not least the decision

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role unless it's inherited in the

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requested specification or standard so

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you can see yeah quite clearly here the

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concept of taking measurement

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uncertainty into account they greatly

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expanded into 2017 standard one thing I

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want to expand along these next two

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slides if you look at clause 786 to see

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this general rule applies and we have in

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parentheses there unless isn't heard and

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in the requested specification or

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standards and those folks that are

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involved in testing often this is a

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Patrick all the various testing types of

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tests and decision rule actually

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incorporate it within the procedure only

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the NC stays the laboratory shall report

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on the statement and conformities such

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as the statement clearly identifies it

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is a senior rule so what does this mean

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unless isn't hurried in the requested

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specification or standard I have a few

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samples here sure there's quite a few

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others but for example there are testing

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methods that determine how the rules are

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applied one good common illustration is

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ASTM e 84 Rockwell artists for the

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testing and calibration decision rules

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take uncertainty into account

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effectively and the repeat testing in

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other limits as a spread of the data

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etc and the rules are defined within the

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methods another example in is ASTM a 29

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which is standard specification for

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general requirements of steel or carbon

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and alloy hot Walt where it is an an

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auxilary table that is based on the

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method on 30 to give some extra rooms to

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make a decision and this comes right

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back I like guidance document g9 stays

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if your application already has

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measurement decision rules governed by a

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public standard guidance document just

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some examples here ISO 1 4 2 5 3 8 6 5 5

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6500 8 etc generally in those cases case

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standard test methods are prescribed and

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off its compliance limits already have

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garbade's built into limits so any

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further garb aiding to limit risk is not

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necessary like I said this is that many

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encompass some of you testing folks out

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there may be already handled within the

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test method calibration I believe is

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pretty straightforward as far as a

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decision rule

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reporting how it should be agreed to and

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then of course documented on the

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calibration report is stated in the one

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702 five standard sewing for those folks

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even on the test again even if you

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perhaps are not so much having to handle

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each individual test with garb any

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perhaps you have tables where it's

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already built in you may also be on the

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other end where you have equipment that

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you're taking out to have calibrated

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these mean traceable calibration heads

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you need even if that's already built

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into your your method if your your

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encompassing that you may encompass

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decision rules and have it to agree to a

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decision rule with your calibration

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provider now so a decision rule for

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proving conformance or nonconformity

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with a specification makes a

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differential or other conformance or non

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conformance shall be determined with a

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high probability so typically will see a

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K equals two or a 95% confidence

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interval associated with uncertainty and

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often documented on the calibration

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report the expanded measurement

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uncertainty you and a confident level of

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across we ninety-five percent expansion

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factor K equals two will genuinely be

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considers as adequate there may be cases

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that would require a higher confidence

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level 99 percent for example and and by

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prior employment I have some cases I do

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recall where the folks who I was

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providing calibrations for or very

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versed on measurement measurement

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uncertainty at the K equals two and

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there were some cases I can recall

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mostly dealing with those that are used

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in a court of law such as that slide

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with the DNA testing crime labs in other

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words requiring that K equals 3 or a 99%

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k factor so typically with the

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measurement uncertainty is typically

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calleb is typically reported at a 95%

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confidence interval which is what that

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example is doing at the body because

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he's very close is taking into account

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the t-distribution degrees of freedom

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and it multiplies that expanding

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uncertainty times this this case the T

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value of 2 giving you that 95%

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measurement uncertainty plus or minus

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95% confidence interval so what are we

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talking about here I mean this might be

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the very basic for some folks that are

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listening but when we're talking about

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taking measurement into account here's a

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basic case where we have a description

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description here what we have for

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different cases so you can see case ABCD

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we have that triangular type is the

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actual value and this is on either side

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that's that gray area of uncertainty so

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typically say that case 1 and what the

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upper and lower limits are representing

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here or the tolerance so for something

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to be saying within specs it's got to be

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within the upper and lower limit so that

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first case second case if you look at

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the values only the values are clearly

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with him

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if you look at case C and D if you just

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look at the values only they were

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clearly out of sex so when we look at

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uncertainty you seek uncertainty aids

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around the value more effects the

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statement he complies when those values

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are close to the tolerance limits so for

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example case B the value is within

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however the uncertainty that gray area

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actually strays to it being out of both

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the upper and lower limit they KC also

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now use in clearly if you're basing your

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decision just bare just based on that

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value you would say that was out of

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Tolerance Hale does not pass however

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taking measurement uncertainty into

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account it can actually if you're just

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basing it on a value you can actually

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make it a statement of false except

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where measurement uncertainty would

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affect that statement of compliance case

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D is clearly out of tolerance value eyes

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and also take your measurement

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uncertainty into account

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so I have some examples here from the I

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like guidance document here where it

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talks about a binary decision rule that

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is a eith where you make a decision

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based on a simple pass and fail so you

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see here and this is for simple

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acceptance if you recall simple

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acceptance is where we are basically

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we're not thinking measurement

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uncertainty into account so in this case

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if this is you're doing a primaries that

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statement of simple acceptance rule

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without Gore banding all four of those

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cases you clearly state a pass fail so

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if we look at the second one over for

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example we must think that as passing

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because the value is within

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specifications however taking the

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measurement uncertainty into account

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they actually affect that decision again

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with this if you're doing this again

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this needs to be accepted to and agreed

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to by your customer upfront during

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contract review so this is just a simple

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pass/fail AC on the measurement value

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without regard to guard banding again

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this is further depicting even if you

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are and this is just taking that

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previous example a little further if you

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are guard banding and you're doing

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simple acceptance you can see even with

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the GAR banding you still specify just

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those two decisions either a pass or a

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fail

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here are examples of a non-binary

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statement with guard Mandy

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so in this and these instances decision

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rules exist when multiple terms may

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express the results in this case here we

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have conditions that could be a clear

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pass a conditional pass a conditional

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fail in a straight out fail so you can

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read the documentation there what we're

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referring to but basically what this is

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doing is for example under the

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conditional pass that's a statement you

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would refer to on your report in this

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instance you're not stating his pass

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you're referring to it as a conditional

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pass we're going to look at the waste

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document is here in a little bit as far

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as that this is a real statement looking

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at the conditional pass we have a Garbi

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in there so our value it's not it's

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between the guard being where we are

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beating against uncertainty and the

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actual tolerance limit so that's the

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case where it may pass but it may not

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pass if you take measurement uncertainty

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to account hits you can coined a phrase

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conditional pass for those of you all

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who is accredited with us we actually

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address this currently we have not

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revised any of our policies of Perry

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Johnson right now in regards to the

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revision of the standard we refer to

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this we do give a little guidance on

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this and pl3 that's measurement

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uncertainty we refer to that condition

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if you like it better as possibly

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terminate or fail and determinate so in

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these cases here you're not going to

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clearly stay

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pass or fail what measurement

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uncertainty affects that statement in

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compliance

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examples of decision rules so here is an

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example if you customer has agreed to it

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up front a simplified acceptance rule

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which is basically you're not going baby

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so if a customer agrees that a pass/fail

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decision or based on acceptance limits

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chosen based on simple acceptance where

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you're basically you're you're basically

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just looking at the tolerance limit

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there the expanding measurement

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uncertainty calculated is calculated

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Colonel Gumm guide that unsturdy a

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measurement must be less than a third of

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the tolerance based on manufacturer

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specs we talked about t you are that

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ratio is three to one statement of

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conformity or mining binary the estimate

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of the measurement is assumed of a

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normal distribution is specified risk is

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used for the risk calculation now in

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this case if you are doing a your

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customer has agreed to this simple

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acceptance type role the risk of false

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accept is is up to 50% for measured

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results excuse me up back up a little

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bit it could be 50% in the case that

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accepted accept excuse me I accepted

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items or outside the tolerance limit our

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false reject if it's outside can be up

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to 50% so that's the decision rule that

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would need to be documented in this case

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if you're not taking measurement

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uncertainty into account so where are we

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coming up with 50% that is in the

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extreme case it says up through there so

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if you figure if you're right on the

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cholera's limit as far as a pass or fail

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measurement uncertainty is a value plus

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or minus a degree of uncertainty that's

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a 50/50 when you look at it and you

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think about it that way

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so the risk of loss accept is

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in this case if you're using a simple

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acceptance role to be up to 50%

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it's the decision role with that what

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need to be documented here is a

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simplified acceptance decision role with

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you have to take into account the risk

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of false accept or reject which we'll

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see here shortly that in this case is up

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to 50% here we have the armaiti example

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where we have more than one excuse me

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more than two decisions so this is where

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we have the conditional past conditional

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fail and that's saying this is an

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example that that you're employing in

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your lab and the customer agrees that

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decision rules are based on garb a and

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accept this limit where your car banning

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the tolerance against those against the

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entity except this limits being or

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baited with the uncertainty where you as

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the expanded measurement uncertainty

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calculated for the gum standard of

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conformity or not very non-binary the

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estimate of the measure is assumed to

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have a normal probability distribution

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in risk is used for the risk calculation

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in this case the risk of acceptance

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items to be outside the tolerance limit

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is less than 2.5 reject percent for a

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rejected items the risk to be inside the

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tolerance limit is less than 2.5 percent

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when the measure result is close to the

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collar it's limit the risk of false

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accept and reject is up to 50% then I'll

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expand on that a little bit so what that

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is it's a little bit confusing when you

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look at that but if you say something is

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in the acceptance level

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and I say it's right on that limit and

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this is based on a 95% confidence

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interval it's plus or minus so you're

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gonna go plus 2.5% into that conditional

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pass zone hence that leaves an

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additional 2.5% where you could be

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making a decision of false acceptance

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when you are basically stating something

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passes again the 50% that would be in

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those cases where it falls directly on

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the tolerance or the acceptance limit

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there so here we have four different

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criteria we have accept conditional pass

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conditional bail well we also have a

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rejection interval so here we're gonna

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have several different decision rules

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that should be expressed on your

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calibration report if you are calibrator

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so we would specify and we're stating

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something that passes the measure value

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were observed in tolerance at the points

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tested the specified false accept is up

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to 2.5%

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what identify conditional pass the

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measurement values were observed in

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tolerance at the point tested however a

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portion of the expanded measurement

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uncertainty intervals that one of the

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more measure values exceeded tolerance

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when the measurement result is close to

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the tolerance the specified false accept

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is up to 50% and then here is just the

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reversal on the other side that defies

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the decision rule for a conditional fail

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or something might accept barely fail

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however it could fall over into the past

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category would be a appropriate decision

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role statement to define that and there

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was those values that clearly fail

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values were observed out of tolerance at

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the point test at the specified false

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reject is up to

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five percent excuse me 2.5% okay so uh a

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couple other common decision rule

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statements perhaps you don't like the

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concept of the conditional pass/fail you

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want to report a pass or a fail you just

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want to garb and let's say against the

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five percent excuse me the five percent

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of possibility of false acceptance or

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false objective rejection so I have a

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couple other decision rule statements

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that are perfectly okay if of course

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your customer agreed to it accounting

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for the uncertainty will take that taken

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to me that in a 95% confidence level the

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measurement result plus or minus the

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expanded uncertainty equals two shall be

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totally within the specification limit

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and the risk of false accept / rejection

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will not be greater than five percent or

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even more simpler the results cannot be

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reported as being in specification if

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the risk of false acceptance / reject

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and the customer is greater than five

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percent so we have to take the level of

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risk into account with these decision

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rules and that's the requirements data

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right there in 76112 statement of

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conformity to a specification or

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standard is provided the lavatory shall

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document the decision trowing coin they

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can add it to account take it into

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account the level of risk so the risk

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word pops up here such as false accept

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false reject and the statistical

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assumptions associated with the decision

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rule employed and apply the decision

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rule

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okay there may be cases your might be

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thinking I have a completely different

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application where this you may have

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customers where the uncertainty or

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decision rule would be very Manute or

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may not really apply to them in their

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areas of testing or calibration like

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anything I just want to point it out if

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the word if for whatever reason these

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are requirements ignoring the seven

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point eight one of the very first

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requirements it talks about is

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simplified reporting and that's based

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that is based on what agreed with the

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customers a results may be reported in

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this simplified way and Eve any

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information listed between the clauses

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seven eight - seven eighty seven that is

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not reporting to the customer shall be

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readily available so that was also

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specified at 2005 2005 specifies a

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written agreement 2017 does not I would

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suggest however if for whatever reason

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you're bypassing this it needs to be

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agreed to up front and I would capture

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that in writing

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create a record then it was agreed to

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between you and your customer so

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sometimes this isn't that this may apply

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very coarse testing destructive testing

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just there are example of a furniture

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test on the the far left side are saying

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like a truck scale calibration thousand

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pound blocks of motorized

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weight cart used on a scale with 24

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graduations

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okay that concludes today's presentation

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we will pause here for a second like I

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said I hopefully have looks like I got

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some questions here I will try to answer

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as many as I can

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hi is it also a decision rule not to

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take the measurement uncertainty into

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consideration in the laboratory and the

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customer negotiate this in a way um

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again you know I try to emphasize here

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you need to agree to it upfront you know

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your customers are better than I do

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you need to be flexible with it there

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are parts of the standard or you need to

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meet your customers need but but

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absolutely I'm that the key here is you

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need to come to an agreement and I'm

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just rereading the question and what

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you're talking about here is that simple

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acceptance where you're not thinking you

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didn't do like you so if that is the

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case however let's recall that needs to

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be documented on the calibration report

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that decision rule and it needs to take

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into account the level of risk which we

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depict there when we went over that

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slide that could be up to 50% so if you

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and your customer has come to that

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agreement that's fine and you also need

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to look at it perhaps your reporting the

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uncertainty your reporting just a PI's

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plan without taking it into account your

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customer may very well be able to make

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that decision for themselves looking at

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the value looking at particularly those

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that are close but determining whether

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or not measurement uncertainty would

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affect that decision and whether or not

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that would affect

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perhaps their own testing or calibration

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that they do in regards to the artifact

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that the perhaps that are sending to you

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all

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I'm trying to read this next question or

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contract lavatories required to provide

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statements to conformity when requested

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by the client if not can a lavatory

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choose not to provide this service and

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therefore have no need for a decision

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rule well absolutely

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if you're armed and I recently came

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across this on an assessment laboratory

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decided that they're going to report the

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values without making a statement of

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compliance well the very first thing yes

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if your customer agreed to that up front

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and you're reporting hey this is let's

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say a test weight for example this is

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the value of your 1 gram test weight one

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point zero zero zero zero five grams and

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your uncertainty is plea 0:02 milligrams

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and you are not stating a pass or fail

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there then the decision there is no

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decision rule to be documented on the

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report that is just when you're making

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that statement of compliance that is

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city rule needs to be there so if for

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whatever reason you are not reporting in

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decision you are not reporting a

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statement it complies on the report then

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there is no decision rule there

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all right now actually if a customer

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asked to see only the readings that fall

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outside the outer tolerance limit plus

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the uncertainty garlanded as a fail on

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the certificate that is okay again you

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have to I'm not showing I'm capturing

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the whole gist of the question that's

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perfectly fine except you still have to

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deter key you still have to document the

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decision roll with the level and it

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looks like you're talking about just on

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the failure side with the level of false

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acceptance so if you're actually guard

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banding those failures

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that's that K equals 2 or 95% confidence

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interval you still need to document that

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level of false except excuse me of a

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false rejection in that case

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if the customers are internal and don't

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require pal Labs is for the purpose of

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the pass or fail the product and I'm

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reading this exactly this pipe and if

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I'm missing part of the question there

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so if you have an internal customer

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internal to your organization and

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basically with those reporting no you

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don't have to report the decision rule

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that simplified you're looking at

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simplified reporting their play States

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or internal customers and agreed to by

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external gusted customers but we're

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going to backtrack a little bit the

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records you have to maintain the records

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where where need be go back and

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determine whether or not measurement

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uncertainty may actually affect a

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statement it complies but for internal

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customers you have a lot of wiggle room

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there as long as you've been tainting

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the records where you could go back and

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do the reverse traceability and see if

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it actually affects the result so that

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would go with anything you reporting the

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results for internal customers they can

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all be reported in any I simplified

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manner

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and that's the next question and this is

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an area I'm not familiar with it all as

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a testing he's referring to Eliza I know

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what that is but as far as a testing

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protocol I'm not familiar with negative

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controls are always run with unknown

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sample the kits provide a clear value

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after which results are declared

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positive that do you think we need to

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draw a decision rule for our results and

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you asked me what I think I think that

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sounds like one of those areas that may

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be incorporated within the test method

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how that that ascorbate it against but

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again I really don't know in that

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particular instance

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we're making those statement in

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compliance on the certificate is no

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statement regarding the decision rule

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required now if you're not making a

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statement in compliance there is no

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decision rule statement to be made just

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bear in mind if your customer requires a

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statement of compliance which yeah you

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need to determine it is specified in

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section 7 1 under review request tenders

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and contracts if it's determined or that

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they don't need a statement of

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compliance on the report say the value

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and the measurement uncertainty is

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sufficient you're not making a statement

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of compliance

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hence no decision rule is needed like I

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said you know your customers better than

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I do and that might be fine for perhaps

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99.9 percent of them all right very good

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questions there again now this

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presentation will be available on the

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I'm still getting questions nope before

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I sign off just want to we already have

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next what next month's webinar which is

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Friday October 25th one o'clock and

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we're going to look at two through the

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first two sections in the 2017 standards

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also expand in a one-for-one

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impartiality for to confidentiality

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again this presentation is available

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will be available shortly on our website

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the recorded version the slides will be

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there as well and again that I lack

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guidance document g8 that's new that was

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just released there's a lot of good

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information on there so if you further

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reading and there's other examples

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stated in there that could all I think

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is an excellent resource for

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particularly you calibrators to take a

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look at so again real good questions I

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appreciate everybody logging in I

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appreciate your interest

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I look forward to doing this again next

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next month again enjoy the rest of your

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day

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