Bule Rasis Kena MENTAL! Ali Dawah Vs Bule Rasis Speakers Corner Hyde Park LONDON SCDAWAH SUB INDO
Summary
TLDRThe transcript captures a heated discussion around religious practices and community tensions. It highlights the conflict between a group's right to pray in public spaces and the perceived provocation it causes within the broader community. The conversation touches on issues of prejudice, the influence of certain individuals like Tommy Robinson, and the broader societal problems such as homelessness and economic inequality. The debate underscores the complexities of free speech and the challenges of coexistence in a diverse society.
Takeaways
- 🙏 There is a conflict over the right to pray in public spaces, with some individuals feeling that certain religious practices are offensive or disruptive.
- 🔊 A debate is occurring about the role of public relations and how the portrayal of certain groups can affect community relations.
- 🤔 The issue of responsibility for the actions of individuals within a community is being questioned, with some arguing that it's unfair to blame an entire group for the actions of a few.
- 🏙️ The conversation touches on the broader social issues affecting the community, such as homelessness and poverty, suggesting that there are more pressing concerns than religious practices.
- 💬 There is a discussion about the influence of certain political figures and the potential for them to be funded by external sources, raising questions about their motivations and credibility.
- 📢 The script mentions the importance of freedom of speech and the right to express opinions, even if they are controversial or provocative.
- 🚫 A concern is raised about the potential for certain individuals or groups to be unfairly targeted or blamed for the actions of others, highlighting a perceived double standard.
- 👥 The dialogue suggests a divide within the community, with different groups having differing views on what constitutes acceptable behavior and who should be held accountable.
- 👮♂️ The role of law enforcement and the justice system in addressing issues of hate and discrimination is implied, with some questioning whether they are adequately addressing these concerns.
- 🤝 There is a call for understanding and dialogue between different community members to resolve tensions and find common ground.
- 🏛️ The script implies a broader societal issue regarding the treatment of minority groups and the need for inclusivity and respect for diversity.
Q & A
What is the main conflict discussed in the transcript?
-The main conflict discussed in the transcript revolves around the issue of a group praying in a public park and the perceived provocation or offense it causes to others, particularly the white community.
What is the argument made by the person who is against the group praying in the park?
-The argument made by the person against the group praying is that it's not the act of praying itself that is the problem, but rather the location and the potential for it to provoke or intimidate others who are not part of the praying group.
What is the counter-argument made by the person defending the group's right to pray?
-The counter-argument is that the group has the right to pray peacefully without obstructing anyone, and that the issue is not with the act of praying but with the prejudices and hatred in the hearts of those who are offended.
What is the reference to 'Tommy Robinson' about in the context of the discussion?
-The reference to 'Tommy Robinson' is about his views towards Islam and the controversy surrounding him being funded, which some argue influences his stance and the narratives he promotes.
What is the claim made about Tommy Robinson's funding?
-The claim made is that Tommy Robinson is funded by Zionists, which implies a potential bias or influence on his views and the way he discusses Islam and related issues.
What incident is mentioned involving Darren Osborne and how is it related to Tommy Robinson?
-The incident mentioned is the attack carried out by Darren Osborne, who ran over Muslims with a van. A letter quoting Tommy Robinson was found in his van, which some argue is evidence of Robinson's influence, although others dispute this connection.
What is the point made about the double standard in the discussion?
-The point made about the double standard is that when Muslims are associated with negative actions, even if they are not practicing Muslims, Islam as a whole is blamed, whereas other groups or individuals are not held to the same standard.
What is the mention of 'freedom of speech' in the context of the discussion?
-The mention of 'freedom of speech' is in the context of a debate or event where controversial figures like Tommy Robinson are invited to speak, highlighting the tension between the right to express views and the potential for such expression to incite conflict.
What is the broader societal issue alluded to in the transcript?
-The broader societal issue alluded to is the state of the country with regards to homelessness and children going to school without food, suggesting that the focus on issues like prayer in public spaces may be diverting attention from more pressing social problems.
What is the reference to the bankers and the economy in the discussion?
-The reference to the bankers and the economy is to highlight the argument that there are other significant issues, such as financial corruption and economic collapse, that should be the focus of public concern rather than the prayer in the park.
Outlines
😔 Conflict Over Public Prayer and Community Tensions
The first paragraph discusses a conflict between a community's desire to pray in a public space and others' objections to this practice. The conversation centers on the right to pray peacefully without provoking others, with a focus on the perceived double standards and the underlying issue of hatred rather than the act of praying itself. It touches on the broader societal issues, including the neglect of homeless people and children going to school hungry, suggesting that the energy spent on arguing over prayer could be better directed towards more pressing social concerns.
😠 Debate on Responsibility and the Impact of Hate Speech
The second paragraph delves into a debate about the responsibility of public figures for the actions of their followers. It specifically mentions Tommy Robinson, a controversial figure whose views on Islam are criticized. The discussion points out the hypocrisy in blaming Islam for the actions of individuals who claim to act in its name, while not holding other public figures accountable for the actions of their supporters. The conversation also highlights the double standards in how society reacts to violence and hate speech, depending on the context and the individuals involved.
😡 Controversy Over Freedom of Speech and Provocation
The third paragraph focuses on the concept of freedom of speech and the controversy surrounding the invitation of a provocative speaker to an event. It questions the intentions behind the invitation and the potential for such an event to incite violence or unrest. The discussion also touches on the hypocrisy of certain individuals who claim to defend freedom of speech while simultaneously suppressing the speech of others. The paragraph ends with a reflection on the speaker's inability to attend the event due to safety concerns, highlighting the tension between the right to express oneself and the potential consequences of provocative speech.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡Prayer
💡Community
💡Intimidation
💡Hatred
💡Freedom of Speech
💡Prophet
💡Islamophobia
💡Tommy Robinson
💡Hypocrisy
💡EDL
💡Zionist
Highlights
Discussion on the conflict between religious practices and community expectations.
Christians singing and praying in public spaces and the reactions it provokes.
The role of PR in managing community relations and addressing grievances.
The issue of praying in public spaces and its perceived provocation to other communities.
The debate on whether peaceful prayer is offensive or a right in a public park.
The argument that hatred towards Muslims is the real issue, not the act of praying.
The comparison between the treatment of different religious groups in public spaces.
The mention of Tommy Robinson and the controversy surrounding his views on Islam.
The claim that Tommy Robinson is funded by Zionists and the implications of this allegation.
The discussion on the impact of societal issues like homelessness and child hunger versus focus on religious attire.
The bankers' role in the economic crisis and the public's reaction to their actions.
The accusation of hypocrisy in blaming Islam for individual acts of terrorism.
The debate on whether the actions of a few can represent an entire religion.
The mention of an incident involving EDL members and the response of the Muslim community.
The concept of freedom of speech and its limitations in the context of the discussion.
The controversy around the invitation of a controversial figure to a freedom of speech event.
The final remarks on hypocrisy and the need for a fair and balanced approach to religious and community issues.
Transcripts
and pray even though you've all been
told not to right yeah well the
Christians have been doing their nice
singing songs all
day tell them to stop they don't why not
you need that's where you're going wrong
that's where you what's our PR got to do
with this issue right because if you
come in next week and you start doing
all that when you know you're not meant
to be doing it you're pissing off the W
just no no no no but why why okay we're
not even bothered okay so you have a
problem with us praying so we left the
grooming issue now the issue is why are
you guys praying
I'm giving an example of things that's
my that's my PR why my off the white
Community why they getting pissed off
just like stupid b Dam goes and does
silly things piss off piss off all this
tip all this tip for tap right you have
to take responsibility for the stupid
people that you madam you're blaming us
for praying peacefully in a corner and
you a peacefully when it's albar
albar what's up what's up please please
but what what's me peacefully praying
got to do with provoking the white
Community to be honest right if I'm
truthful to white people it's offensive
to IM men pumped in the air some of them
your G no don't look M no you shouldn't
look mad why are you looking why are you
looking seen the
Christians mad Madam be honest but then
you should do can't do Madam be honest
one second brother do you have a problem
with us is it the prayer or is it that
you just don't like us I can't no I
can't care H hon I can't care L what you
do then why does our prayer above you in
the corner I tell you why because this
is a park it's a park for the whole
Community okay right not just for one
Community off a little bit on a regular
basis so are you telling me that if you
started praying down here regular and
then one Sunday um a group of white Ms
who don't know nothing about what's
going on
Right comes down here and goes over to
that particular spot that you normally
pray at that she W get intimidation
people won't be saying oh
use no way you can't you can't you can't
you can't you canot look we have the
prophet said to us you cannot when
praying you cannot obstruct ways if that
woman comes here nobody can dare to come
and tell her to me why are they starting
to pray in the straight no but we don't
obstruct ways it's a foot path you are
no but mad mad Madam if I can't park on
why should you be a to park your ass
Madam Madam if I if I don't like someone
I will look for any excuse to attack
them anything I would say to you look
at this is what I'm telling you if you
stop if some of these small issues were
to stop the tensions would stop Madam
the issue is not praying the issue is
the hatred in the heart if I have a
problem with the issue ain't the praying
the issue is the man where you're
praying Madam Madam don't you understand
Madam the issue is not praying the issue
is there's a hatred towards Muslims well
then why do we bother giving you m no no
no no no but want PR all over the street
why we to you religion in our country
and build as many musk as you like Madam
Madam if it's just a certain group
that's saying this if we obstructed ways
I'm with you if you say you know what
I'm trying to get out my parking you're
playing in the middle you have every
right we will remve them ourselves but
the issue is you know us spraying in
that corner doesn't bother anyone but it
bothers you certain places in London
right where whole car parks are being
filled up and and they're playing in the
car they are work out Madam Madam Madam
I tell you something I tell you
something mad Madam can I say something
yeah people you know how many homeless
there are in this country yeah do you
know how many kids are going to school
without food yes I find it pathetic that
our country homeless people kids going
to school with no food and I'ma talking
about the burka and people are praying
it's prophetic in 2008 the um the
bankers what did the bankers do yeah
they look they used they stole our money
um uh the whole economy went bust one
second all of ustic if they weren't
killing each other if I can finish yeah
the bankers are the real problem look
Nick Griffin you know Nick Griffin yeah
Nick Griffin i' I've spoken to the guy
okay he he said that he he's
horrible what the wonky eyed get no no
no no no no no but the wonky ey get made
a very good point and it was a wonky
yeah let me tell you something he said
we was approached by the Zionist they
said they said to us do not talk about
the bankers attack Islam talk about ISL
Islam guess what he rejected the offer
but guess who accepted it Tommy Robinson
that's why he makes 80 grand or 100
Grand a year with eight properties yeah
okay because he's being funded while
there's homeless people mad Madam yeah
he makes 100 Grand he came out it how is
he funded he gets 100 Grand a year he
knows that he's got eight properties
he's got it it's clear now yes he's
claimed he makes 100 Grand Zionist
Zionist he gets paid by the Zionist you
know what's even funny that you as a
minority are taking his side without
even knowing you're next to my brother
after us they're going to say hey thank
you for helping us you're going back
home yeah it's time to go back
home don't get me wrong come on come on
I don't take no side do
you know who Tommy rob it is huh do you
know who Tommy Rob is yes I do who is he
was the former leader of okay so what's
he what's he doing now what's he doing
now what was he doing now he just come
out of just come out of prison I don't
know what he's doing okay do you support
his views what views the views that he
has towards Islam If he if he says he WR
views I'll support him if he says his
views now do you support him in the main
right
now Muslim Muslim they hate preaching
towards Muslims what hate preaching to
do with what us to do with what hate
preaching what does he say he Muslims oh
in other words yeah as he come out
categorically to say that oh for example
Darren Osborne who carried out the
attacks oh okay okay very good point
very good point so Darren OS runs over
Muslims in his in his van in his van
they find a
letter in his van they find a letter a
letter that is quoting Tommy Robinson
that's is that enough or no not
enough one second second they found a
quotation of Tommy Robinson in his
letter is that enough who found the
police Dar one he wrote a letter and
doesn't make Tommy Robinson responsible
really and then why does he say we are
responsible for what the terrorists do
me ask so then why do we
believe yeah Andre another guy yeah so
is that enough what because they found a
a quote by Tommy Robinson yeah in his
letter yes is that is that enough enough
to do what that that to say that he got
radicalized by Tommy Robinson no not
enough yeah unbelievable man
unbelievable what unbelievable was
unbelievable all right they checked his
they checked his daughter's iPad and
they saw watching Tommy Robinson is that
enough list listen listen is that enough
tomorrow now I leave and I told me
those guys are are Muslims but they not
Islam okay if I start going with that
quote okay you know what I believe the
reason why is done that is because
that's not that's not that's not hate
preaching that's not preaching I'm
saying no something I'm talking
about no no no sorry sorry absolutely
prophetic then why are we told when Isis
carrier attacks in the name of Islam why
is Islam blamed because it's not one
person
there go there you go what about okay
okay violence right more people being
did he not say we need to find a uh we
need to find a solution to this Islamic
problem mad sorry excuse me what you
mean everyone got
attacked last week edl came down there
was members of edl came down all fans of
Tommy there was about four of them was
it the week before surrounded by about
50 to 100 Muslims no one touched but we
went to the fre me and we got get killed
yeah but they were the edl they weren
they
weren supp really look at this hypocrisy
when it's Tommy and and and when is
Tommy yeah but you're using the same
token to say that the people that groom
girls and rape girls are not Islam you
can't have it by I arest my case
it's very clear it's very clear the
double standard the double standard the
double standard is very clear I don't
need to go further they found a letter
they found his daughter's iPad where he
watching tomy's video but my friend no
that's not enough but when a Muslim does
something even if he's not a Muslim he
he walk he walk past a m he walk p a
listen I'm going by what you told me you
told me those hypocrisy hypocrisy I
unbelievable you told me are Muslim but
they are not Islam musl kill they're not
practicing Muslim they're not practicing
Muslims yeah so if somebody now says to
the contrary on the other side say
hypocrisy first to blame for the person
for killing that
person my point in mentioning sorry
my point mentioning them coming down
last week was not that they edl or Tommy
Robinson fans they came down with a
Union Jack no no let
me hit me out hit me out they were being
quite aggressive towards them I didn't
say that's us us they were being quite
aggressive with Al but what I'm trying
to say is
Muslims was something wrong with Islam
there would have been a problem but
there was to say about to
this we got ATT we got nothing to say
about you say them coming down here no
no no no if you were to be you
got Tommy Tomy
Tomy would you say the was a little
bit right so don't you think it was
provocative
going
right inv inv she should never have
invited but I got
invited not to no why why why no one
second he was invited wasn't he one
second was no no but he didn't know that
second invting they inv one second
what's the event called freedom of
speech the purpose what was the whole
purpose of the event where's my freedom
of spe you didn't want to go there yes I
did I had my I had I had my speech I
heard your speech okay what was it about
I can't remember that
went one second my freedom of speech I
could say whatever I like on there it's
my freedom of speech
is STO talking about fre they were
nearly killing us not doing
fre I I can speak whatever I
like to he went to go there and he
wanted to make a point my dear my de was
he invited though yes not by the
organizers by Luc organizers for an
event who else is going to invite me who
else supposed to invite me to organizers
you want the truth
truth Co conspirators I've got my own
you talk
about we know Dody about
Lucy she shouldn't have done done that
to youy did Tommy defend my right to
freedom of speech nope cuz he's a
hypocrite He's a hypocrite He's a
hypocrite he didn't no I know he's a
hypocrite he couldn't he couldn't
because you would have been
UNS I would have been unsa outside if
you took me inside I
wouldn't you got a tack anyway how much
you all right take care thank you
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