Basagan ng Trip with Leloy Claudio: Spotting biases and history's role in healing society
Summary
TLDRIn this episode of 'A Second and Trip,' host Tyler Claudio interviews Cheeky Agency Leo, the first female summa laude graduate in history from the University of the Philippines. They discuss her journey into history, inspired by a high school teacher, and the importance of critical thinking and research in the discipline. Leo shares how her history degree has influenced her current role as a policy assistant, emphasizing the relevance of historical knowledge in understanding patterns for future learning and change. The conversation highlights the value of empathy, humility, and honesty in historical study and its application in various fields.
Takeaways
- 🎓 The guest, Cheeky, was inspired to pursue history by her high school teacher who encouraged critical thinking rather than rote memorization.
- 🔍 Cheeky sees history as detective work, requiring investigative skills and a passion for uncovering the past.
- 🏫 The University of the Philippines' history department is renowned and requires students to learn foreign languages to access primary sources.
- 🌏 Cheeky highlights the uniqueness of Philippine history due to its multiple colonizations and the layers of history that result.
- 📚 The study of history teaches valuable skills such as critical thinking, research, and writing, which are applicable across various fields.
- 🏛 Cheeky is not planning to pursue a career in history long-term but acknowledges its influence on her current projects and interests.
- 🔬 As a policy assistant, Cheeky applies her research skills and patience, traits honed during her history studies, to evaluate program impacts.
- 🤔 The script discusses the importance of recognizing bias in historical narratives and the need for context to understand different perspectives.
- 🌱 History can play a role in nation-building and healing societal wounds by acknowledging and learning from the past.
- 📝 Empathy in historical writing helps to identify judgmental perspectives and find common ground among differing viewpoints.
- 🌐 The conversation emphasizes the importance of humility, honesty, and empathy not only in historical research but also in social media and politics.
Q & A
What inspired the guest to choose history as her major?
-The guest was inspired to choose history as her major due to an epiphany while climbing a mountain with her father and being influenced by a high school history teacher who taught her to think critically.
Why did the guest initially consider Chemical Engineering or Biology as her field of study?
-The guest initially considered Chemical Engineering or Biology because she liked math and chemistry, and had a dream of becoming a marine biologist.
What is the significance of learning a foreign language in the study of history as emphasized by the guest's department?
-Learning a foreign language, particularly Spanish, is significant because it allows students to access primary resources that have not been touched before and to understand historical documents without the loss in translation.
How does the guest view the uniqueness of Philippine history?
-The guest views Philippine history as unique due to its colonization by multiple groups over hundreds of years, which adds layers to its history.
What role does the guest see historians playing in the healing process of a country?
-The guest sees historians playing a role in nation-building and healing wounds of the past by acknowledging historical facts and patterns, which can help in learning and changing for the better.
How does the guest's background in history help her in her current role as a policy assistant?
-The guest's background in history helps her in research, writing, and critical thinking, which are valuable skills in her current role evaluating the impact of certain programs.
What are the three key words the guest believes are essential for historians?
-The three key words the guest believes are essential for historians are humility, honesty, and empathy.
Why is empathy important in the study of history according to the guest?
-Empathy is important in the study of history because it allows historians to understand and convey the experiences and feelings of people from the past, creating a more engaging and relatable historical narrative.
How does the guest define the role of a historian in terms of objectivity and empathy?
-The guest defines the role of a historian as someone who can be both rigorous and empathetic, maintaining objectivity in research while also having the capacity to understand and convey the emotional aspects of history.
What does the guest suggest as a way to make teaching history more relevant for students?
-The guest suggests focusing on teaching historical methods that help students spot biases, understand context, and piece together a story as close to the truth as possible, making history more engaging and applicable.
How does the guest view the importance of humility in the practice of history?
-The guest views humility as crucial in the practice of history because it allows historians to acknowledge their own biases and the ever-changing nature of the human experience, promoting a more honest and open-minded approach to historical study.
Outlines
📚 Discovering a Passion for History
In this segment, Tyler Claudio introduces the episode and his guest, Cheeky, a history major and the first female summa laude graduate from the Department of History at the University of the Philippines. Cheeky shares her journey into history, initially considering Chemical Engineering and Biology due to her love for math and chemistry. However, an epiphany during a mountain climb with her father led her to pursue history, inspired by her high school history teacher who encouraged critical thinking. Cheeky also expresses her interest in investigative work, likening history to detective work and discussing the unique layers of Philippine history due to colonization.
🏛️ The Relevance of History in Education and Career
This paragraph delves into the broader implications of studying history, with Cheeky discussing the importance of learning foreign languages to access primary sources and the potential for uncovering untold stories in history. She acknowledges the layers of history that have yet to be explored, particularly in foreign archives. Cheeky also shares her current role as a policy assistant, where her background in history aids her in research and writing. The conversation highlights how the skills acquired from a history degree, such as critical thinking and research, are transferable and valuable in various fields.
🌐 The Role of History in Healing and Empathy
The final paragraph focuses on the role of historians in nation-building and healing societal wounds. Cheeky emphasizes the importance of acknowledging and learning from history to build a better future. She discusses the necessity of empathy in historical research, allowing historians to understand and convey the experiences of people from the past. The conversation concludes with the three key words: humility, honesty, and empathy, which Cheeky believes are essential for historians and anyone involved in social media or politics, advocating for respectful and honest communication.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡History
💡Summa Laude
💡Colonization
💡Primary Resources
💡Empathy
💡Bias
💡Relevance
💡Nation-Building
💡Historical Methods
💡Policy Assistant
💡Randomized Control Trials
Highlights
Tyler Claudio and Cheeky Agency Leo discuss the importance and relevance of studying history.
Leo shares her journey from considering Chemical Engineering to becoming a history major.
The influence of a high school history teacher on Leo's academic path.
Leo's interest in investigative aspects of history, likening it to detective work.
The uniqueness of Philippine history due to multiple colonizations.
The significance of learning foreign languages to access primary historical resources.
The potential of untapped historical resources in foreign archives.
Leo's current role as a policy assistant and how her history degree aids her work.
The value of research skills in various professional fields.
The role of critical thinking and writing in a history program.
Leo's perspective on the applicability of history skills beyond academia.
The need for teaching history in a way that is relevant to students.
The importance of recognizing and addressing biases in historical narratives.
The role of historians in nation-building and healing societal divisions.
The principle of continuity and its relevance to understanding history.
The importance of empathy in historical research and writing.
The balance between empathy and maintaining objectivity in historical reporting.
The practice of humility, honesty, and empathy as key skills for historians.
The potential for history to foster understanding and common ground among diverse perspectives.
The necessity of humility, honesty, and empathy in effective communication and social media.
Transcripts
okay welcome to another episode of a
second and trip I'm Tyler Claudio I
teach history at De La Salle University
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I'm with cheeky agency Leo now she's an
interesting person because she's a
history major and some frankenteen and
history major disability knows but more
than that she is also the first female
summa laude graduate of the very
prominent department of history of the
university of the philippines in the
lumen welcome to the second encryption
key thank you for having me oh it's a
pleasure so let's get into it the first
question is why history ok so I also
didn't know in the start it was kind of
coincidence kind of fate when I was
applying for the Bobcat I actually
elected first Chemical Engineering and
then biology I like math and they like
chemistry the same dream code before it
was to be a marine biologist no high
school and then I was climbing a
mountain with my dad one day and I had
this epiphany that I actually wanted
history ok but like looking back I
probably decided history because I was
really inspired by my teacher 3rd year
3rd year high school you head off am I
getting the history teacher
yes philippine history in classic and
she was very different in that so yeah
she didn't spoon-feed us and it really
forced us to think more critically and
challenged me in a way that I liked and
I knew that go was actually a history
and boss I made you ok so anymore
yeah so I grew up enjoying you know the
stories and things like that then I just
played to my strengths I also wanted to
be an archaeologist at work ok so I just
like the idea of something investigative
and history is kind of like detective
work as well ok so now you're in UB and
now you're in one of the most storied
history departments in the country
when some of the top historian working
with the some of the top historians in
the country
when did you realize about Philippine
history or history in general I guess
you can say this about every country's
history but I'll admit my bias because
I'm Filipino but I really think our
history is so unique just because we've
been colonized by how many you know
groups and for hundreds of years and
they're just so many layers to our
history I really like that our
department you know required us to learn
foreign language so at least like twelve
units and Spanish because ideally we
should be able to tap into primary
resources that have never been touched
before and you know there lots of things
that are lost in translation and it's
interesting to note her to think that
much of our history is still you know
never been touched never been touched so
what part of I know I know partner
history on gusto moon explore I think
it's safe to say that say in the
archives in Spain right wherever else I
mean a lot of people don't know that
even the Brits were here the British
were here and even the Dutch at one
point and it's just yeah it makes you
wonder what is there that we don't know
yet about their own history as a country
unfortunately I don't think I will be
continuing like pursuing a career in
history in the long term but it's always
been influencing like the projects I'm
interested in this autumn spring with
natok I say in one episode they said if
you take a liberal arts course in
college like history in the Union a
hooligan nakai Lang and mung muggin
trabajo and so learning history teaches
me many other things apart from history
so Iike what do you do now cheeky and
how does the history degree or the
liberal arts background help you in
general I am a policy assistant at the
research and policy nonprofit where we
conduct randomized control trials to
evaluate the impact of certain programs
and well for me regardless of your
background there will always be tools
that you can bring to whatever field you
to be in and with history like I really
love research I like to write those are
things I find fun I love during like
undergrad for my thesis I always looked
forward to spending the whole afternoon
in the archives and the main library
even if it was super dusty and I was all
alone but you know but then it was like
my safe space I like this and how do
those skills now help you with the kind
of work that you do well I notice it
most when I really have to do research
and because it takes a lot of patience
and a lot of time and I mean it's not
for everyone
some people find research boring but I
enjoy the process so it helps me stay on
track and get what needs to be do it
need to be done well that's great so in
critical mindedness the capacity to
write the capacity to do research these
are things that I don't think are
exclusive to a history program they're
there they're part of kind of liberal
arts in general so hallelujah I mean
that's the point I've been trying to mix
I'll be gonna say in your view were say
you skills the Mohan you're doing a
history degree and lucky
non-applicability and you have proof
here somebody who is very young and yet
still has a very successful career
already as a researcher and part of a
global NGO that can be you to you like
your experience learning history it's
not an experience now and I should share
number time is a most urgent Anatomy
students a traumatized a history cause
adopting a new mozilla for example
unknown Baha'i non mono and Cana any
padre de ma saw the opening scene and
Noli Me Tangere
why do you need to know that what so how
do we make teaching history more
relevant for our students I think people
are starting to realize now rote
memorization and or fact well history
just back to history
don't really do anything so to me what I
value would say you Peter a guy in
history on Griffin mm-hmm
classes on historical methods it taught
me relevant skills in terms of spotting
by us yeah
even my animal pals a social media how
to really spot bias in yeah and not bias
in itself is not necessarily bad in
terms of you cannot remove bias from
anyone at all
oh man at Rowland are in ignorant we all
have our own personal biographies
philosophies at Numa writers authors
news reporters we all have our own
agency right so I mean now the job of
the viewer is simply to identify that
and to take things into context and
hopefully if you use enough sources if
you do your homework you can patch up a
story that is as close as possible to
the truth yes yes and I and that
inspires another question cuz I end up
in cinco bias it's it's something that's
thrown around in social media all the
time
that's a historian have a role in the
healing process of a country like us
because I think we need some healing
because the the cleavages are so deep
history Casa discipline can be a very
polarizing one but I definitely agree no
my rule I'm gonna historians and
nation-building and you know healing
wounds of the past so how about the
person and and the present but then you
know the principle of continuity
necessarily in deep whether you passed
me on let's forget that's impossible and
that's why we have to acknowledge the
rule of history as a tool for building
the future because it's not just about
identifying facts but also patterns and
that awareness is is really necessary
for us to be able to learn and to change
so I think history a said to that but
direct Ron yeah I towards empathy and
towards understanding that but support
the chair by sufficient historical
knowledge
and sound the interpretation checks and
balances men okay so empathy that's a
wonderful word I'm easy President Grant
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heart with empathy since I'm an
historian : mag report car from the
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na wala nang objectivity or allen and
rigor in the research because you can be
both rigorous and empathetic at the same
time yeah you what do you mean when you
say history should be empathetic well at
least from the point of view of those
writing history it helps us to identify
where are we being judgmental and how
can we reduce that I think history can
really help in finding common ground so
it starts with finding common values and
then working from there yeah meaning
sometimes we can agree on certain things
even if we're on the opposite side of
the political fence yeah this course is
definitely important but I think people
forget there's a right way of
communicating your ideas let's keep it
civilized respectful and maybe we'll get
farther than we are right now yeah but
one way is also to say here maybe
tomorrow maybe India hooligan Malay it's
also about the capacity to admit that
you're wrong from time to time that
means at the very core of history I
think history is really a practice of
humility and essentially honesty because
you know the human experience is all
about change and if we're talking about
change with China what kind of change do
you wanna see it's the positive kind
improvement and that will necessity
looking at ourselves and you know where
did I go wrong
and it's ok to admit that maybe there's
a better way of doing things maybe this
is right and this is wrong
humility honesty and empathy these were
three words that she used three words in
the department car-sized
to be humble as a historian because come
Malika Malika at company written and
artist Malika Kayla hiam on a minion
that's a skill for a historian but
that's also a skill for someone on
social media someone who's involved in
politics when the car Malika a mini moon
Alang don't dig your heels in and keep
arguing the next one is honesty well
communication Welling and that's of
course a very crucial thing for a
historian we can't lie because people
rely on us to discover what happened in
the past and in the age of fake news of
course as you all know it's so easy to
lie so historians learn honesty but
everybody has enduring honesty and then
you finally empanada in a Natasha Hovis
when you talked about history as empathy
because the greatest historians are
historians who care so a great historian
can tell you what it feels like to be a
peasant in 19th century Philippines
because the person has the imagination
in the capacity to feel a great
historian has empathy because he or she
can place you in the position of someone
who was being tortured during the time
of martial law that is history that that
is emotional affective but it's also
honest and obviously it's also very very
humble so thank you for those three
words cheeky our humility honesty and
empathy so thank you for guessing an
answer thank you
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