Do We Inherit Sin? How to Understand Original Sin | Jonathan Pageau & John Vervaeke
Summary
TLDRThe transcript explores the concept of sin and death as distinct but interconnected ideas, suggesting that sin leads to a state of brokenness or 'death' in various aspects of life. It discusses the inherited brokenness, or 'original sin,' as the consequence of living in a world shaped by past mistakes. The speaker draws parallels with Buddhist karma, emphasizing the influence of inherited patterns on behavior and suffering. The solution proposed is to consciously embrace one's brokenness to avoid being enslaved by it, and to aim towards the 'good' despite the challenges.
Takeaways
- 🔍 Sin and death are related but distinct; sin is the act of missing the mark, while death is the consequence of that act.
- 📜 Scripture suggests that the wages of sin is death, implying a direct causality between sin and death.
- 🍂 We do not inherit Adam's sin, but rather the brokenness and death that resulted from his actions.
- 🌐 The concept of sin causing death applies to all levels of reality, including personal, societal, and global.
- 👶 We are born into a world and families with a history of 'missing the mark,' thus inheriting brokenness.
- 💡 Our aspirations to 'hit the mark' are innate, guiding us towards life despite the inherited brokenness.
- 🧳 The inherited brokenness or 'baggage' from our parents and society can make it harder for us to achieve our aspirations.
- 🌐 Historical and societal patterns, such as racism, contribute to our inherited brokenness and suffering.
- 🙏 Christianity offers a path to overcome this brokenness through embracing and acknowledging one's own sin and death.
- 🕊 Embracing our brokenness consciously can free us from becoming slaves to it, allowing us to see and aim for the good.
- 🛣 The aspiration for the good and the recognition of our dissatisfaction with brokenness can lead to hope and transformation.
Q & A
What is the main distinction made between 'sin' and 'death' in the script?
-The script differentiates 'sin' as the act of missing the mark or purpose, while 'death' is the consequence or the state of brokenness that results from sin.
How does the script interpret the concept of inheriting sin from Adam in the context of scripture?
-The script suggests that scripture does not say we inherit Adam's sin, but rather the brokenness or 'death' that came into the world because of his sin.
What does the script suggest is the purpose of life and how does 'missing the mark' relate to it?
-The purpose of life is to hit the mark or fulfill one's purpose. 'Missing the mark' refers to failing to achieve this purpose, leading to a state of brokenness or 'death'.
How does the script describe the inheritance of brokenness in our lives?
-We inherit brokenness because we are born into families, societies, and systems that have already missed the mark, thus living in a world with inherent brokenness.
What role does aspiration play in the context of living in a broken world according to the script?
-Aspirations guide us and give us the desire to live despite the brokenness. They represent the recognition of a better state and the drive to move towards it.
How does the script relate the concept of original sin to the idea of karma in Buddhism?
-The script draws parallels between original sin and karma, suggesting that we inherit patterns of behavior that affect us and cause suffering, much like the Buddhist concept of karma.
What is the psychological and existential understanding of inheriting brokenness as described in the script?
-It is the idea that we pick up patterns from our parents, friends, and culture that shape us and move us in ways that may be detrimental to our aspirations.
How does the script suggest we deal with the inherited brokenness or 'death'?
-The script suggests embracing the brokenness consciously, acknowledging our own shortcomings, and not blaming others, as a way to avoid becoming slaves to the brokenness.
What does the script propose as the Christian perspective on overcoming the brokenness?
-Christianity, and Christ in particular, shows us that embracing death and brokenness consciously can lead to a recapture of the vision or aim of life, which is the good.
How does the script connect the dissatisfaction found in brokenness to hope?
-The dissatisfaction with brokenness is what causes our suffering, but it also indicates that there is something within us that seeks more than the brokenness, sparking hope.
What is the final message of the script regarding the relationship between sin, death, and our aspirations?
-The final message is that while sin leads to death and brokenness, it is our aspirations and the recognition of a higher good that can guide us towards overcoming these challenges.
Outlines
🔍 Understanding Sin and Death: The Concept of Missed Marks
The first paragraph explores the distinction between sin and death, highlighting their interconnectedness as described in scripture. It emphasizes that sin is the cause of death, not an inherited trait, and that death is the consequence of missing the mark in life. The speaker discusses the idea of brokenness at various levels of reality, including personal, societal, and global, and how this inherited brokenness affects our aspirations and behaviors. The paragraph also touches on the psychological and existential implications of this brokenness, drawing parallels to the Buddhist concept of karma and the patterns of behavior that can lead to suffering. It concludes by suggesting that our desire for goodness and the recognition of our dissatisfaction with the broken world are what drive our hope and potential for improvement.
🌱 Embracing Brokenness: The Path to Reaching the Aim
The second paragraph delves into the concept of embracing one's own brokenness and death as a means to achieve the ultimate aim in life. It suggests that recognizing and accepting our own shortcomings and the broken aspects of our lives is essential to not becoming slaves to them. The speaker encourages individuals to consciously acknowledge their sins and the places where they have missed the mark, rather than blaming external factors such as parents or the system. The paragraph concludes with the idea that Christianity, and Christ in particular, show us that embracing our brokenness is a difficult but necessary step towards healing and growth, aligning with the broader theme of the video script.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡Sin
💡Death
💡Brokenness
💡Inheritance
💡Miss the Mark
💡Consequences
💡Aspirations
💡Buddhist Notion of Karma
💡Historical Racism
💡Embrace Death
💡Redemption
Highlights
Differentiating between sin and death as related but distinct concepts.
Scripture states the wages of sin is death, implying a cause-effect relationship.
We do not inherit Adam's sin but rather the consequences of living in a world shaped by sin.
Death is described as a purpose missed, leading to a system breakdown at various levels of reality.
Inheriting brokenness from previous generations and systems that have missed the mark.
The aspiration to hit the mark despite living with the consequences of past misses.
The difficulty of hitting the mark when inheriting the baggage of a broken world.
Original sin as the inheritance of brokenness and its impact on our behavior and suffering.
Comparing the concept of original sin to Buddhist notions of karma and inherited patterns.
The psychological and existential understanding of inheriting patterns that shape and limit us.
The importance of recognizing historical influences like racism in shaping detrimental patterns.
The aspiration for the good as a reminder of our dissatisfaction with the broken world.
The Christian perspective on embracing brokenness and death as a path to reaching the aim.
The challenge of consciously embracing our own brokenness and missing the mark.
The importance of recognizing and owning our sins rather than blaming external factors.
The solution involves seeing our own brokenness and recapturing the vision of the aim.
Transcripts
the way to understand it is to clearly
differentiate between
sin and death um they're related but
they're they're different
um and so in scripture it says the wages
of sin
is death right and there's an idea that
even in the in scripture it never says
that we inherit the sin of adam it says
that
that we because of adam's sin we are
we are in death like we are in the in in
we are living in a world of death and
that's really the best way to
to understand it which is that sin
causes death so you you have a purpose
you miss the mark and that's that's what
death is
and so there's a there's a brokenness it
you break
the system breaks down as you miss the
mark and this is
happens at every level of reality
whether it's in your own life or
in society or entirety of the world
when when something misses the mark then
there's a
breakdown which happens now we we
inherit the breakdown of that which is
before us
right we inherit death so we are born in
families that
have missed the mark we are born of
parents that have missed the mark we
are born of systems that have missed the
mark
and so because of that we we live in a
world which has an aspect of it which is
broken
we still have the aspiration of hitting
the mark and that's that's what kind of
guides us
and makes us want to live but we have to
live with the consequences of that
of that of that miss um and the
difficulty is that
when you're in a world of death that is
when you inherit
the consequence of sin so when your
parents miss the mark and they will and
we know they do
yeah you inherit that and it makes it
more difficult for you to hit the mark
because you have all the baggage which
comes and you have inherited
the the the patterns of being that will
make that worse right which will which
will increase the brokenness which will
tend to fragment
okay and so that's the manner in which
we need to understand
original sin that's what it is it's the
inheritance of
brokenness so so that
and i hope i hope you take this as a
helpful thing that to me reminds me of
um um you know
certain interpretations of the buddhist
notion of karma that there are these
patterns at work
and and we and we inherit them
um and they affect our behavior and they
they cause suffering uh
and the way i sort of understood this at
least psychologically and existentially
is
as you said you know we we pick up from
others our parents our friends and our
culture we pick up
and that you know here's where
historical racism does matter right we
pick up patterns
um that are shaping us and moving us um
in ways
that are detrimental to our aspirations
is is that is that a fair yeah exactly
yeah but the idea is the idea is of
course
the very desire the very aspiration
that is the very possibility we have of
conceiving the good
and of seeing the point that we're
aiming at right
of of of seeing it in our view and and
moving towards it
right is is the very
how can i say this is the reminder that
we are not that we don't fit in this
broken world that we are
that we are we find dissatisfaction in
the brokenness
so that's what causes our suffering but
it's also what
what can ultimately cause our hope
because we see
we can see that we're not made like
there's something in us which
wants more than this brokenness and this
this world of death there's something in
us which is which can see that which we
can aim towards
and which is the good of course um and
so that is really the
and so what let's say what christianity
shows us and like what christ shows us
is that the manner to
reach the the manner to reach
the the aim in the brokenness
is to a certain extent embrace death
and that's really the that's the hardest
thing is to embrace
death consciously embrace the brokenness
consciously
and therefore we don't become slaves of
that brokenness
right it's to see your sins to see the
place where you miss the mark
instead of just blaming your parents
because that's what you will want to do
right you want to blame your parents
you want to blame the system and your
right to because
the system is broken your parents are
broken everything
there's an aspect of everything that's
given to you which is broken not
fully but there is an aspect of it which
is broken
and the solution is to is to actually
rather see your own
death the places in you that you're that
you're dead
and recapture the
the vision right recapture the aim
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