What Catholics and Protestants Believe About Mother Mary
Summary
TLDRThe video script captures a theological debate on the Catholic view of Mary, contrasting it with Protestant beliefs. It delves into the Catholic practice of praying to Mary for intercession, which some find uncomfortable, and the Protestant stance that only Jesus is the mediator between God and humans. The discussion touches on the historical Council of Ephesus, the concept of Mary as 'Mother of God,' and the Protestant emphasis on direct prayer to Jesus, bypassing intermediaries. The script also addresses the lack of biblical support for praying to saints or Mary and the potential dangers of straying from this path.
Takeaways
- 😇 The Catholic view on Mary is a significant point of contention, especially regarding praying to and venerating Mary, which some find uncomfortable.
- 🙏 Catholic Doctrine teaches praying to Mary and asking for her intercession, a practice that some Protestants see as conflicting with the Bible's teaching of one mediator, Christ Jesus.
- 📖 The debate centers on the interpretation of Scripture, with some arguing that there is no biblical basis for praying to Mary or the Saints, while others believe in deducing practices not explicitly stated in Scripture.
- 🌟 Mary is considered the Mother of God in Catholicism, a title established by the Council of Ephesus in 431 AD to affirm the divinity of Jesus and counter the Nestorian heresy.
- 🔗 The concept of Mary as a mediator is rejected by some Protestants who believe in direct access to God through Jesus, without the need for intercession by Mary or the Saints.
- 🔑 The difference between latria (worship reserved for God) and dulia/veneration (honor given to Saints and Mary) is highlighted, with Mary receiving hyperdulia due to her unique position.
- 🤔 The script raises questions about the Biblical support for the idea of souls in heaven continuing to make intercession, a concept not explicitly found in the Bible.
- 🔮 Some argue that practices like praying the rosary and asking for Mary's intercession are similar to asking fellow Christians to pray for you, extended to the afterlife.
- 🚫 The script emphasizes the Protestant belief that praying to Saints or Mary is not only extra-biblical but also anti-biblical, potentially leading to spiritual dangers like opening oneself to familiar spirits.
- 🌐 The discussion touches on the broader issue of the diversity within Christianity, including various interpretations and practices related to Mary and the Saints across different denominations.
- 📚 The script concludes with a call to stick to biblical teachings, encouraging Christians to go directly to Jesus in prayer and rejecting practices that seem to deviate from Scripture.
Q & A
What is the main point of contention regarding the Catholic view on Mary discussed in the script?
-The main point of contention is the Catholic practice of praying to Mary and asking for her intercession, which some view as conflicting with the biblical teaching that there is only one mediator between God and humanity, Jesus Christ.
What does the script suggest about the Catholic Doctrine's stance on praying to Mary?
-The script suggests that the Catholic Doctrine teaches not only asking Mary for intercession but also praying to her and even worshiping her, which some individuals find uncomfortable and not in line with the Bible.
What is the biblical argument made against praying through Mary as a mediator?
-The biblical argument is that the Bible states there is one mediator between God and humanity, which is Jesus Christ, and therefore praying through Mary as a mediator is seen as unnecessary and not supported by scripture.
What is the Council of Ephesus mentioned in the script, and why is it significant?
-The Council of Ephesus was a church council in 431 that defined Mary as the 'Mother of God' in response to the Nestorian crisis. It is significant because it established a theological basis for Mary's unique role in Catholic belief.
What is the difference between latria, dulia, and hyperdulia as mentioned in the script?
-Latria is the full adoration of God, dulia is veneration that can be ascribed to saints, and hyperdulia is a higher level of veneration specifically for Mary, because of her unique position as the mother of God.
What does the script imply about the Protestant view on Mary and intercession?
-The script implies that Protestants do not believe in praying to Mary or asking for her intercession, as they believe that such practices are not biblical and that one should go directly to Jesus for intercession.
What is the script's stance on the idea of souls making intercession after they are in heaven?
-The script questions the idea of souls making intercession after they are in heaven, stating that there is no biblical basis for this belief and that it is not a Christian doctrine.
What is the script's view on the use of the term 'Mother of God' in reference to Mary?
-The script suggests that while some may find the term 'Mother of God' to be accurate because Jesus is God, others may prefer to say 'Mother of Jesus' to avoid confusion or theological complications.
What is the script's opinion on the practice of praying the rosary in Catholicism?
-The script expresses discomfort with the practice of praying the rosary, viewing it as a form of praying to Mary rather than through her, which is seen as unnecessary and not biblical.
What does the script suggest about the relationship between Catholics and Protestants on the topic of Mary?
-The script suggests that there is a significant difference in beliefs between Catholics and Protestants regarding Mary, with Catholics viewing her as an intercessor and Protestants believing in direct access to Jesus without intermediaries.
Outlines
😔 Catholic and Protestant Views on Mary
The paragraph discusses the contentious topic of the Catholic view on Mary, which includes praying to and venerating Mary, and the Protestant concern that this practice is not supported by scripture. The speaker expresses personal discomfort with the idea of praying to Mary and the concept of her as a mediator, which they believe contradicts the biblical teaching that Jesus is the one mediator between God and humans. The paragraph also mentions a debate between Ali Stuckey (a Protestant) and George Farmer (a Catholic) on the subject of Mary, indicating a broader conversation within Christianity about these practices.
😕 Biblical Authority and Mary's Role in Catholicism
This paragraph delves into the theological debate surrounding the Catholic practice of praying to Mary and the Protestant stance that ultimate authority lies only with the word of God. The speaker, identifying as Protestant, challenges the Catholic doctrine by asking for scriptural evidence of Mary's role as an intercessor and mediator. The discussion touches on the Council of Ephesus, which declared Mary as the 'Mother of God,' and the theological implications of this title. The speaker also expresses a concern that certain Catholic practices may border on Mary worship, which they find problematic.
😓 Theological Debates on Mary's Intercession and Veneration
The paragraph continues the theological discussion on the nature of Christ, the role of Mary, and the practice of praying to saints and Mary in Catholicism. The speaker argues against the Catholic view that Mary, as the mother of God, has a special authority to intercede, stating that the Bible does not support this claim. The conversation also addresses the difference between latria (worship reserved for God) and dulia/veneration (honor given to saints), with a special mention of hyperdulia given to Mary. The speaker emphasizes the lack of biblical support for the Catholic practices of praying to and through Mary and other saints.
🙏 Direct Prayer to Jesus: The Protestant Perspective
In this paragraph, the speaker emphasizes the Protestant belief in direct prayer to Jesus, arguing against the Catholic practice of praying through Mary and other saints. The speaker criticizes the use of the rich man and Lazarus parable as biblical justification for praying to saints, calling it a poor argument. The paragraph concludes with a strong statement against the Catholic practice, urging Christians to go directly to Jesus for prayer and intercession, as supported by scripture. The speaker also warns against the dangers of opening oneself to 'familiar spirits' by praying to saints and Mary, associating such practices with the occult and witchcraft.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡Catholic Doctrine
💡Intercession
💡Mother of God
Highlights
The Catholic view on Mary is a contentious issue, causing discomfort for some believers.
Catholic Doctrine includes praying to Mary and even worshiping Mary, which some find problematic.
The belief in ultimate authority of the Word of God, with no other mediator besides Christ Jesus.
Questioning the basis for souls making intercession in heaven, as it's not explicitly found in the Bible.
A debate between Ali Stuckey (Protestant) and George Farmer (Catholic) on the topic of Mary.
Candace Owens, not clearly defined in terms of religious affiliation, expresses issues with praying to the rosary.
The Catholic teaching that prayers are directed to Mary, causing discomfort among some believers.
The Council of Ephesus in 431 defined Mary as the mother of God, a concept that is still debated.
Differentiating between latria (adoration of God), dulia (veneration), and hyperdulia (special veneration given to Mary).
The argument that Mary, as the mother of God, has a special authority to intercede for believers.
The Protestant stance that believers should go directly to Jesus, not through Mary or saints.
Concerns about the potential for opening oneself to familiar spirits by praying to saints or Mary.
Theological discussions on the nature of Christ, the hypostatic union, and the implications for Mary's role.
Scriptural references to continuous offerings in heaven, including the role of Jesus and the priesthood.
The rejection of the idea that praying to Mary or saints is supported by the Bible, considering it anti-biblical.
The use of the parable of the rich man and Lazarus as an argument for intercession in the afterlife, criticized as a poor example.
Transcripts
what is the Catholic view on Mary because I think it's a huge point of contention it's something
that still makes me a little bit uncomfortable I'm going to be honest Catholic Doctrine for sure
teaches not just asking Mary for intercession but praying to Mary and even worshiping Mary not being
confined to the conscience except for the word of God nothing has ultimate Authority except for the
word of God the Bible literally says there is one mediator between us and God the man Christ Jesus
but that would be my issue with praying through Mary is that we don't see her as a mediator in
scripture Mary is the mother of God right she must have given birth to God Souls afterlife
continue to make intercession where do you get the basis though that Souls continue to make
intercession once they're in heaven where in the Bible George where in the Bible does it say this
okay what Catholics and Protestants believe about Mother Mary this was a debate between Ali Stuckey
which I'm just starting to learn about and then I think his name is George farmer that's Candace
Owens husband so they debated he's a Catholic Ellie Stuckey is a Protestant and they're going
to talk about Mary there's a lot of other clips from this podcast but I want to react to this one
maybe I'll react to more in the future from this let me know in the comments down below but let's
watch this together and see what is the Catholic view on Mary because I think it's a huge point of
contention a lot of Christians are like you guys pray to Mary you asked for intercession which is
a valid argument and a valid concern it's a concern I have for sure when it comes to the
Catholic Doctrine among many others but that's a whole other video that I have I'll probably
put that down below my Catholics verse Catholics compared to Christians but let's watch this and
react I would say that the soul of scriptura thing actually was one of the easier things
for me to get over when studying the Catholic faith and I thought it was a very good argument
that it actually like show me where in the Bible that you see this and the answer is I couldn't
find it one of the things that was not so easy and is not I don't even want to make it sound
like it's past tense for me um Mary Virgin Mary uh praying on the rosary trying to understand
what the Catholic faith believes well we're not praying to her which is the veneration of
mother Mary it's something that still makes me a little bit uncomfortable I'm going to be honest
um so I don't know where Candace Owen stands between I don't think she's Catholic I don't
know if she's Christian or not I don't watch much of her content but she says she's saying like I
have an issue with this I don't understand this whole praying to the rosary and a lot of Catholics
in my comments and a lot of Catholics watch my content they're going to say we don't pray
to Mary but in catechism you literally get taught to pray to Mary it's in the doctrine
so you can say as a Catholic you don't pray to Mary or you don't believe in it but the Catholic
Doctrine for sure teaches not just asking Mary for intercession but praying to Mary and even
worshiping Mary which again I know Catholics say we don't do that but the doctrine does teach that
um Ali do you feel the same about this yeah and now I would say I'm not rehashing this
little scripture a thing because I know that you can if you want to bookend something but we're
yeah yeah we're moving past that but it is it's not that Protestants don't believe that we can't
deduce things like you said that okay it doesn't say in scripture only by scripture alone just as
it doesn't say well here is the Holy Trinity we do believe in deducing we believe in theologians
we believe in Creeds we believe in councils in a similar way that the Catholic Church does it
kind of but we would say nothing can bind to the conscience except for the word of God nothing has
ultimate Authority except for the word of God and that and also we disagree with some of the
deductions that the Catholic church has made one of them being Mary and I'm sure that George will
tell us what he believes the biblical support to be of of Mary um but I would say good luck
spoiler alert there is none that's the spoiler alert there is no scriptures that say we should
pray to anyone in fact the Bible literally says there is one mediator between us and God the man
Christ Jesus so we don't have Mary as a mediator in the Bible we're talking here and in the end
of the Orthodox Christian faith we don't have a mediator we don't pray to the disciples we don't
pray to saints that have passed away and you might Catholics would say Well they're not dead we're
not praying to dead people or communicating with the dead which would be like necromancy which is
vehemently prohibited in scripture but they would say they're still alive in heaven they're not
dead but physically they are dead physically they are dead and so yeah the Christian Bible does not
teach to enter ask for anyone for intercession or to pray to saints that are physically dead
yes they don't they say that they don't worship Mary you say that you don't pray to Mary but
you're praying through Mary that she is kind of a mediator and the Saints as well yes because
they are and you can correct by misrepresenting you because I don't want to do that but because
of their proximity to God basically they are kind of carrying our prayers to God and Mary
being the mother of God has a special place a special authority to do that and of course
I believe that that is not just wrong but I actually believe that that's blasphemous that
she has no Divine Authority yes she's blessed in the sense of what an honor and what a privilege
that she was a servant of God that she was able to carry Jesus but Jesus alone is our mediator
yes he alone is our intercessor he alone is who we pray to and through and while Mary is in heaven we
don't believe that anyone is in heaven because of their proximity to God has any Authority or
ability whatsoever to carry our prayers to him um really good I'm new to her content so I've
only seen a little bit of it I have some friends that really like her stuff I really like the way
she communicates I think she communicated that precisely clearly and so I think she does a great
job communicating her Point taking the Protestant position which you're like what's a Protestant or
Protestant if you're an Orthodox Christian you'd be considered a Protestant versus you know she's
talking to someone who's a Catholic so I think she really is strong on this she's saying it
clear she's saying it bold she's not afraid to step over that line and maybe be offensive what
what the Bible says and so I really like this whole interview and all the clips from it and
again maybe I'll react to more but uh interesting we just don't see that deduced in Scripture that
would be a big difference and I would say now this could go against Catholic Doctrine but
I there comes something very close to Mary worship I would say in subsets of Catholicism which is
interesting because you hear Catholics say a lot oh look at all these Protestant denominations
there are a lot of subsets of Catholicism even if they're not called denominations
um so yeah that's just an issue in general but that would be my issue with praying through
Mary is that we don't see her as a mediator in scripture and I and I agree with that position
so I'm very happy Candace says to her husband oh she says I agree with that would you it's really
awkward for Candace being a mediator or like hosting this debate because they're labeling this
as like a debate so probably a little bit awkward for Candace being a mediator between I'm guessing
her friend and her husband so let's keep watching happy to hear yeah your answer to that because
this has probably been my biggest hang up to be honest with you this is like quiz the Catholic
so there was there was a phrase which I I want to come back to which I think
was very uh interesting Adam what you just said which is the mother of God
all right and I I would start by asking is that your position mother of Jesus and of course I
believe Jesus is the word and the word is God John 1 and so I guess you could say I guess I probably
wouldn't typically say the phrase Mother of God I typically would say mother of Jesus [Music]
yeah that's very where is he going with this interesting answer I would say because
um and I'm gonna get pretty uh theological here kind of very quickly so the Council of Ephesus
in 431 defined Mary as the mother of God and the reason that the Council of Ephesus is one of the
authoritative Church councilors to find Mary as the mother of God was because it was facing the
nestorian crisis now I don't think it's wrong to say Mary was the mother of God because Jesus is
God for sure 100 Jesus Is God I've done teaching after teaching about that in my verse by verse
definitively proving the Bible does teach Jesus Is God it's just kind of a weird way to say it
that Mary's the mother of God we would say Mary's the mother of Jesus as Ellie said so yeah I don't
know I don't know where he's getting at but yeah for sure Jesus Is God an historian crisis said
led by Bishop nistorius said that Christ was two persons and he was he it was two Natures
right within Christ it could not and and this was the whole and I'm really abbreviating her
and there's a lot more literature written on this by much better people than me um but it is worth
looking into this because the because basically what this was saying is that Christ was two two
Natures right he was his human nature and he was his divine nature he's kind of going in circles
but I think he's trying to tell us why they prayed and what asked Mary for church eventually came to
Define was that Christ could not be two Natures he had to be one nature right hypostatically unified
right which is what the Creeds exactly because you cannot divide the nature of God right right
and in doing so the church anathematized uh nestorious and excluded him from uh communion
with holy mother church and the reason being was because as I said you're dividing the nature of
God and then there's a whole conversation about persons and how do you unify a person etc etc
these were the christological debates of the church come on just tell us why do you guys pray
to Mary or through Mary or ask Mary the reason the Council of Ephesus came up with theoticus Mother
of God and Define this was because without saying that Mary was the mother of God you left yourself
open to the back door argument that effectively the Nate that again she was the mother of Jesus
right he was not the mother of God she was the mother of one of the persons of Christ
so in that argument right Mary is the mother of God right she must have given birth to God right
and that is the reason that in the Catholic that is one of the reasons he's the second
person of the Trinity yes not God the Father correct God the God man yes correct but in
the same way still fully God fully God exactly in the same way that you can't say that like
humans you know humans are a man this is way going around the question because the question
was in the Bible where where do we see this we shouldn't even try to be a metaphor for the
Trinity well no no I'm saying like complicated of course it is of course it is but you want
to make sure that you're not trying to break out again it comes back to the Nature's conversation
right you don't want to split the natures of Christ because that becomes the real issue
so Mary was the mother of God in confirming Christ's Divinity right and again this is like
the daily wire and this is we don't want to get you know into the fifth century christological
debates but that was the reason that she was defined in that way as a result the church
for for that reason plus many others would have argued that what is traditionally ascribed to God
which is called latria right um is adoration latria is the full Adoration of God ascribed only
to God it can only be given to God it is what is celebrated in the mass it is what is celebrated in
adoration of the Blessed Sacrament um dulia which is a second stage which is what will be described
as veneration can be ascribed to marry now what is actually described to Mary is hyperdulia because
she contains this unique position of being the mother of God the Saints are granted Julia which
is veneration and and the conversation around Saints for example I would say is similar to like
you know and I think this is the most applicable uh metaphor would be like George where in the
Bible right we're in the Bible Christian brothers does it say we're supposed to pray the things pray
for me about this issue please pray for me about this topic I'm struggling with this I'm struggling
with sin etc etc in the same way that we ask other Christians brothers and sisters to pray for us we
are asking the saints that the Catholic worldview would say that doesn't stop at dead at death it
continues afterwards right in the same way that for example like Purgatory which is a state of
purification of the Soul prior to energy which is not a Christian doctrine or a Christian belief
Protestants don't believe which correct persons don't believe in um that would that would be the
same logic we would say Souls afterlife continue to make intercession like Souls on this Earth
continue to ask for intercession where do you get the basis though that Souls continue to make
intercession once they're in heaven where in the Bible George where in the Bible does it say this
again spoiler alert it does it that's the problem the Bible doesn't teach this idea
of when you go to heaven you're praying or you're in hell you're praying for people which yeah it's
not the New Testament where people are saying I mean I can I can definitely dig out some quotes
for you if you'd like from just give us one talk about that um again coming back to our first point
because it is not singularly defined in scripture does not mean that the church cannot uphold it
as a Doctrine right so again this comes back to the solar scripture argument which is our whole
disagreement which is part of the whole yeah so not everything's in scripture scripture is not
exhaustive there's things that are outside of scripture that are still okay they go in line
they're harmonious with the word of God but when something goes against scripture which praying
to Saints or Mary or asking them for intercession would go against scripture not only is necromancy
which is talking to the dead prohibited and they are physically dead even though there could be in
heaven but also we have only one mediator so we don't use them as mediators to God or the
father so this is anti-biblical it's not just extra biblical it's anti-biblical disagreement
um so the church itself has confirmed that but there are plenty of places and I'm you
know I'm can dig out some quotes from show us one if there's plenty shows one where
there are plenty of places where intercession art is asked for right in the afterlife where
yeah I guess well I would say one of them for example is the parable of uh the rich man and
Lazarus and Abraham's bosom exactly no this is not good don't go there he does it he doesn't
but he is making intercession the the richness that Abraham sends to his brothers and sisters
you know testimony of his pain and hell right and Abraham says no because he has
the prophets and Moses that doesn't mean that the option that does not mean that
he could not have done it right it just means that he decided not to in that circumstance
right that's a poor illustration if you're using that to justify biblically praying the Saints or
asking them for intercession terrible terrible terrible spot to use where a man's literally in
Hell saying send somebody to my brothers to warn them and then saying that's making intercession
so that would also say if a catholic's using that argument that would say so you're praying
so you're praying in hell if you're in hell you're praying for people so it's just a very
poor argument you just can't get there from here so again the fact that petitions are being made
in the afterlife is referenced how is that is that a is that a belief no I wouldn't pray to
those from using that well that's why I'm not sure if that's a good example because I don't
think exactly because you can pray to people from hell and they can intercede no I'm not
saying that it does but I'm saying that there is examples Checkmate I'm sorry bro you lost this way
you're just lost I'm sorry to test the fact that people in the afterlife are making petitions right
now whether or not that is yeah from hell is not a Catholic position no I would yeah I guess I would
just need to see the biblical support for that or where because you talked about how they can't
count for example like that there are testimony in and again you're not going to use these because
the Apocrypha is not upheld but in Tobit for example where life after death is attested to uh
in syrac as well which are not canon canonizer not scriptures they're not biblical there are
references in Hebrews to the fact that continuous offerings are being made in heaven on part of the
on part of the priesthood which is also yeah Jesus the hyper is forever making intercession
in communion with how we as Catholics identify the mass which is a continual offering right so there
are several circumstances where the example of offerings in heaven being made right are attested
to in scripture right and so Mary is a super mediator because she is the mother of God just
super Authority in heaven to carry our prayers she is yes she is the as in her unique position
I just don't understand why would you go to Mary if you can go directly to Jesus well Mary is going
to bring our prayers to Jesus and he'll answer his mother but just go straight to him the veil's been
torn we've been given the power and the authority to boldly approach the throne of grace it makes
absolutely no sense why go to Mary you can literally skip Mary and go directly to Jesus our
relationship is not with Mary the gospel is about Jesus bringing us now into relationship with the
father giving us peace with God and now we have a relationship with Jesus and the father like
that's the gospel so why why go to Mary I don't understand Mother of God she is in a position and
of course like Catholics would also argue that for example this it's exhaustive why go to variations
where a woman is brought forth and she gives birth right to the one who will save the world
um this this there are plenty of examples of it that's not what it's saying brother I'm sorry I
mentioned many times in the same way that Peter is mentioned more than all the other Apostles put
together in the gospels Mary is mentioned several times as Jesus's mother she has a unique place at
the foot of the cross her unique positioning is clear within scripture and again it's come being
dogmatically defined in a church Council which by the way the Protestant Church accepts the Council
of Ephesus it's not rejected um so in all of these circumstances Mary's unique position is upheld
as hyperdulia yeah so he ran around the topic he didn't answer any of the questions he didn't use
the Bible for sure the only example he gave was the rich man in Lazarus which was an absolutely
terrible example because it's literally a man in Hell saying please send someone to
war on my brothers it's not about intercession or prayer so just the whole praying to Mary if
you're Catholic let me know in the comments if you're still watching this by the end type Amen
in the comments so I know that you watched the whole video but no this is just anti-biblical
we don't pray to Saiyans we don't pray to Mary we don't ask for intercession if we're gonna
be biblical we go straight to Jesus it just makes sense it's the clear precise thing to do it's the
biblical thing to do if you start trying to pray to Saints and Mary you're opening yourself up to
familiar spirits we know that witches use Saints to pray to to get intercession it's all in the new
age and the Occult uses praying the Saints no no no don't open yourself up don't do it don't pray
to Mary Don't worship Mary you can go directly to Jesus and you have authority and power to do that
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