Jason Anderson UNFILTERED post Jett Lawrence incident and much more...

Summary

Motocross riders Anderson and Webb have an open conversation, touching on rivalry,money, fame, work-life balance, the future of the sport, and more. Anderson shares lessons learned from starting his career young, thoughts on current racers like Lawrence and Sexton, and wanting the freedom to be more creative. They discuss trauma, injury risk, mental health, business pressures, investment, and hopes to evolve motocross culture to attract new demographics while staying true to its roots.

Takeaways

• 😀 Anderson views championship success as a way to test if he enjoys the attention
• 😕 Anderson struggled with finding fulfillment and meaning after winning championships
• 🤔 Anderson believes you have to be selfish as a racer, but is learning balance as he gets older
• 😊 Anderson finds fulfillment in trying to improve at dirt biking every day
• 😎 Anderson likes to live comfortably but doesn't flaunt his wealth
• 🤨 Anderson thinks the moto industry should embrace fashion and culture more
• 😢 Having a kid during the season was extremely difficult for Anderson's racing
• 😡 Anderson felt Jet's post-race apology was insincere based on social media activity
• 🙂 Anderson believes rivals don't care what each other think, only sponsors/bosses
• 🤠 Anderson wants to make funny content with his daughter when she's older

Q & A

What was Anderson's perspective on the incident with Jet Lawrence at the San Diego race?

Anderson said he was heated in the moment but got over it quickly. He was more bothered by Jet's team approaching him insincerely instead of Jet himself. Overall he didn't think it was a big deal.

How does Anderson balance racing with his personal life as a husband and father?

Anderson makes his family his top priority now. He understands the demands of racing so he communicates with his wife to manage expectations. His second child will be born at a better time of year for racing.

What does Anderson think could help bring more fans and sponsors to Supercross?

Anderson thinks the sport needs more 'flavor' - more freedom for riders to show their personalities. He suggests collaborating with non-endemic brands to attract new demographics of fans.

How does Anderson manage disappointment and setbacks during the racing season?

With experience, Anderson has learned not to dwell on bad races. Data shows he will rebound, so he focuses on the next event. His mindset now is more balanced.

What are Anderson's plans after retiring from professional racing?

Anderson wants to continue riding and perhaps create entertainment content with his daughter when she's older. He thinks this next phase of life will be really enjoyable.

What was the lowest point in Anderson's career and what did he learn?

In 2018 when Anderson's daughter was born, racing 2 hours after with little sleep. It taught him that family comes before racing now.

How does Anderson avoid getting distracted by other riders and stay focused?

Anderson doesn't care what other riders think of him. He focuses on his own program and mindset. Results each weekend are largely pre-determined based on preparation.

What does Anderson credit for his longevity and consistency at the top level of the sport?

His talent and relentless work ethic. After 15 years he still has the drive and feels his best days could still be ahead.

How has Anderson's approach to racing changed as he has gotten older?

With age he has learned to keep things simple and not overthink. He no longer stresses about bad results. His priorities are more balanced between racing and family life.

What is Anderson's goal for how many more years he wants to keep racing professionally?

Anderson currently has a goal of racing until he is 33 years old. But he plans to keep riding even after retiring from professional racing.

Outlines

00:00

🤔 Announcing Partnership and Goals

Jason Anderson announces he is partnering with Steve Matthes to do a podcast. He says he messaged Steve when he was frustrated after an on-track incident with Jet Lawrence. They want to talk through what happened and share their perspectives openly.

05:01

😊 Recounting the On-Track Incident

Steve and Jason recount the on-track incident between Jason and Jet Lawrence after the San Diego race. They joke about it but agree it was heat of the moment actions and they expect tensions to resolve quickly.

10:06

😕 Expressing Disappointment with Team's Actions

Jason felt Jet's team was insincere in their apologies after the incident. He was especially bothered when Jet unfollowed him after apologizing, showing it wasn't genuine. Jason reacted strongly on social media as a result.

15:06

🤨 Understanding Both Perspectives

Steve empathizes with Jet, saying he's under immense pressure and was fully in the moment, forgetting he was on live TV. He thinks Jason's strong response played into Jason's style and persona.

20:08

😐 Moving On from the Drama

Jason says he got over the incident quickly and didn't care much himself. He was mostly bothered by the insincerity from Jet's team in the aftermath, not the on-track actions.

25:08

😌 Keeping Things in Perspective

Jason and Steve agree the incident will blow over quickly as it often does in the sport. Jason takes a philosophical view, saying he understands everyone feels valid in their own perspective.

30:09

🤷‍♂️ Taking Setbacks in Stride

When asked about the season, Jason says he believes his best days are ahead despite a rocky start. He maintains motivation and a growth mindset even when things are difficult.

35:10

🧠 Maturing with Age and Experience

Jason reflects that your brain changes around ages 29-30. With more experience and data, you learn to take setbacks less harshly. He maintains high standards but doesn't stress small failures.

40:13

👨‍👩‍👧 Balancing Racing and Family

Jason discusses balancing racing with having a young daughter. He realizes family comes first, though he's still competitive. His second child will be born off-season to avoid distractions.

45:13

💰 Making Smart Money Choices

When asked for financial advice, Jason recommends living below your means early on and investing conservatively rather than real estate. He wishes he invested in the market rather than homes when younger.

50:13

😕 Falling Out with Team Fried

Jason is disappointed with how things ended with Team Fried. He felt betrayed that they issued a press release severing ties without telling him first. He's open to reviving it someday on his terms.

55:15

🤔 Assessing the Changing Media Landscape

Jason and Steve discuss the influx of new media channels and personalities in the sport. Jason wants more quality over quantity and less self-promotion.

00:19

🙂 Embracing the Grind

Jason finds fulfillment in grinding at the track nowadays. He works hard but also plays hard, finding more balance than when he was younger.

05:20

🤩 Enjoying the Fruits of Success

Thanks to success in the sport, Jason gets to live a nice life in Laguna Beach with his family. He's learned to splurge a little more as he's gotten older.

10:20

🤝 Learning to Balance Selfishness and Responsibility

Jason discusses balancing selfishness required for racing with responsibility to his family. He's become less selfish in areas outside racing since having a daughter.

15:22

😎 Being True to Yourself

Jason and Steve talk about pros who pretend to be more upset about poor results than they actually are. Jason was brutally honest earlier in his career, to his team's chagrin.

20:22

🙇‍♂️ Accepting Traumatic, Transformative Experiences

Jason reflects on traumatic experiences that changed his outlook on racing and life. He recovered and found more purpose, though it took time after winning his championship.

25:24

👍 Appreciating the Struggle

Jason believes you need stressful, unhappy moments to appreciate the good times. The chaos of family makes the peaceful moments better. Suffering gives racing wins more meaning.

30:25

🤞 Hoping to Positively Disrupt the Sport

Jason would like to see changes in the sport regarding styles, merchandising and content. He likely won't benefit but hopes younger riders like Jet Lawrence can push new boundaries.

35:26

👶 Building a Personal Brand

Jason looks forward to focusing more on lifestyle content with his daughter after retirement. He wants to showcase his family while maintaining his unconventional, funny side.

Keywords

💡Motocross

Motocross is a form of off-road motorcycle racing held on enclosed off-road circuits. It involves riding specialized motorcycles (such as 250cc and 450cc bikes) on dirt tracks with hills, jumps, turns, and other obstacles. Motocross is referenced frequently throughout the video, as Anderson and McElrath are professional motocross racers discussing their careers.

💡Supercross

Supercross is a variation of motocross held in stadiums on man-made dirt tracks. Anderson mentions aiming to win a Supercross championship and discusses the intense pressure and competition involved in Supercross racing.

💡Rider

A rider refers to a motocross racer. Anderson and McElrath refer to themselves and other racers as riders throughout the video when discussing training, competition, injuries, and other aspects of the sport.

💡Championship

A championship refers to an overall series title earned by accumulating the most points over a season of racing. Anderson talks about his goal of winning a 450 Supercross championship and the mental pressure involved.

💡Training

Training means the physical and mental preparation riders undergo to compete at a top level. This includes riding practice tracks, fitness training, reviewing data, and more. Anderson emphasizes that training is a major part of his lifestyle as a rider.

💡Crash

Crashing means falling off the motorcycle during a race, often due to a mistake or collision. Crashes and injuries are an inherent risk in motocross that add to the mental stress for riders like Anderson.

💡Risk

Riders take on immense physical risk in motocross racing. As Anderson notes, mistakes on the track at high speeds can result in serious injuries and derail a racer's career in an instant.

💡Retirement

Retirement refers to when a professional racer stops competing. Anderson and McElrath discuss that they still feel mentally and physically capable of racing into their 30s, unlike some past riders who retired younger.

💡Sponsors

Sponsors are companies that provide financial and product support to riders in exchange for branding and marketing exposure. Anderson notes the balance riders face between self-promotion and keeping sponsors happy.

💡Family

As riders like Anderson get older and have families of their own, they discuss the challenges of balancing racing with supporting their wives and children. Family becomes the top priority outside of racing.

Highlights

Discusses the altercation between Anderson and Jet Lawrence after San Diego race.

Anderson felt team's apology was insincere based on social media activity.

Anderson values being authentic, not fake or overly manufactured.

Anderson learned family is most important after birth of his daughter.

Brain changes around ages 29-30; life gets simpler and take bad days less seriously.

Fear of failure is constant for riders; injury secondary.

Anderson wants the sport to attract outside demographics without alienating core fans.

Sport needs more flavor and freedom like the 1990s; now too constrained.

Riders feel constant self-doubt despite success due to fear of failure.

Big money prevents changes even if it could make sport more mainstream.

Riders become who sponsors want, hiding parts of self to protect investments.

Anderson plans to be more open and make fun content after retirement.

Injuries can happen quickly even when experienced riders are cautious.

The highs make the lows feel lower; need both to appreciate the wins.

Relief is the feeling people chase in life, proportional to the risk taken.

Transcripts

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times whenever our egos get the best of

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works with egos

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ahead of me but I also understand how

gnarly it is right now

there's not a day that went by that I

woke up with the purpose of not trying

to be better at what I

do like it's crazy at this point in my

life one of my favorite things to do is

literally go to the track and

grind and I would have never thought I'd

have been that person but I like to do

like I say like I work hard play harder

so I like to have a good time but at the

same time I'd be putting in the work

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skin all right I'm out you good yep

thank you bro good to see you a I'll see

you later I'll see you tomorrow

yep

um where should we start should we start

at San Diego fight night and just get

get that off the get that off the table

before we go too deep into this thing uh

yeah we could we could start there or

just wherever you know I

honestly I guess I we could recording

right now yeah we're good yeah pull just

pull up a tiny bit closer I'm going to

pull it this way yeah so I can lean back

we good right there yeah

um yeah [ __ ] to be honest when I

messaged you I was literally like heated

and I was like I just wanted to talk

[ __ ] but now like I'm like [ __ ] it's

like I didn't want it to be as big as it

was yeah realistically cuz I [ __ ]

hate attention like that but at the same

time I was like [ __ ] this you know so we

can start wherever you want yeah well I

just think I yeah like I said to you in

the text too so even my wife was like oh

you sure you want to do it and the whole

time like I kind of figured that you

were heated and in the moment and like I

said to you on the text I'm like you're

my friend he's my friend I've seen

friends fight before and people get over

it and it's you know like there's a lot

of [ __ ] that goes on in the moment and

uh I know you guys are both cool so it's

like I feel like it goes away fairly

quickly you know yeah I mean to be

honest like just how it is you know I

feel like you um um especially me dude

I'm 30 years old you know how many of

these things I've been through yeah you

know like it's not like it's not like

I'm like I'm

not it's not my first one yeah you know

second thing is I feel like as I get

older I kind of understand that like

even guys that are mad at me or I'm mad

at them I feel like everyone's valid

because they actually feel that emotion

towards someone yeah so like you know

[ __ ] happens I understand like his

position where he's at because he's dude

the dude has so much pressure on him to

be [ __ ] amazing yeah you know like

and if he fails at all the whole world

come down on him you know and I've been

the same way where I've won a Supercross

championship and then really didn't do

[ __ ] for three years so it's it's a it's

a tough side of our Sport and it's a

position you want to be in yeah like as

much as it's a tough thing it's a

position you want to be in because you

be cashing checks in that position you

know yeah so um um yeah it's just it's

just crazy it's crazy right now because

I feel like even talking I was at the

dealer thing in Phoenix and and I was

just talking to MC and he was like he

was like dude if social media was during

our day it would have been crazy oh man

imagine and that's just how it is and

the problem is is we can get heated now

and go on there and just blow blow up

you

know and then you have obviously like

everyone you know opinions and

everything like that but it's just it's

crazy at the end of the day shit'll buff

yeah yeah and I I don't know if you saw

but like so I I'll just give you my take

like you don't you don't have to say too

much then I'll give you my take I was

fine with all of it I mean I maybe it's

just cuz I'm Australian but what I saw

was a super passionate kid mhm that was

fully in the moment and forgot that he

was in a stadium with 30,000 people

watching and on live TV and he just he

wants it so bad that in the moment he

does some [ __ ] that he wouldn't do in

any other circumstance you know what I

mean and then the management advisor

team like then you got 20 people telling

you like the right thing to do and so I

heard that he wanted to just see you at

press day and like talk to you so like

and then people are saying call and then

and then he's like well I just want to

see him face to face so like there's so

many ways that messages can get crossed

you know what I mean but I commented on

your post the first one mhm of the video

and I was like I'm glad you guys threw

down and I'm I'm glad you'll make up you

know and I just think that that's two

dudes that are super passionate like and

I think it's funny he couldn't have

picked a better worst person to do it to

you know cuz it's like and and I thought

about it as well I was like man this is

is so ando's wheelhouse mhm but you

can't you can't instigate this [ __ ]

because you're on a thin thin leash with

the AMA like they'll come down and you

for what whatever they could and then to

me I'm like Ando just gets an

opportunity to kind of like run his [ __ ]

like this is who he like he likes this

stuff like this is this is what he does

and you're going to make this into a a

good situation like if you look at

Supercross as a contact sport and you're

in the fight game you're selling the

fight the ratings at A2 are going to be

[ __ ] crazy dude you know so at the

end of the day I was like I'm fine with

all this like he's passionate got heated

Ando put him in his place pretty pretty

[ __ ] significantly and if it's boxing

I'm calling that a 10 n round to

Anderson and I think that that's pretty

much where it stays between you guys you

know yeah and yeah the whole thing that

happened on the track dude I really

didn't care as soon as I left that

Stadium I was heated for like 5 seconds

and I really didn't give a [ __ ] yeah I

didn't give

one at all the the issue that I had is

just all of his whole team kept coming

up and it really felt like the one thing

I feel is like people play fake very

nice very very much in our sport in the

sense of like you can't make enemies to

win a championship and I'm like so be

fake you know what I'm saying like and

then it it's tough because like I

understand you got to play the game you

know it's it's just how it is but what

really made me frustrated is it felt

super insincere that everyone but him

came up to me you know what I'm saying

and I was honestly it they would have

been better off not coming up to me they

would have been better off just like

leaving it till next weekend and not say

anything because I would have not even

done anything you know

but it just it just felt very insincere

you know and then even after you know

his post and the call and everything

like that from his team team you know

what I'm saying

um

I like okay we all have Instagram and we

all scope stuff out and we all know who

follows us and we all know when they

don't follow us you know what I'm saying

and at I understand you know you got

danger boy Degan you got jet you got

Chase they're a younger generation where

there are certain things that are cool

and what's cool only F zero people

following like a hundred people you know

so I understand it but I knew out of

those people that he followed it was it

was I was one of them so whenever I get

his apology on the thing and then I see

he doesn't follow me I'm like bro I

scoped it last week you know like I'm

not I'm like all right so it's totally

insincere that's how it felt towards me

you know and then I'm at Phoenix at a

Kawasaki dealer show and just I'm

scoping this out on the elliptical dude

I'm just like just doing my bass little

elliptical like you

know working off the dad

B so and then I see that and I'm just

triggered I'm triggered and then I

posted what I posted and then like 2

minutes later I'm like [ __ ] then you

can't delete I can't delete it dude it's

just like it's out there you know like I

didn't necessarily want to post it I was

upset get back to the hotel room I tell

Kenzie I'm like [ __ ] I I went off you

know I snapped yeah but to be honest I I

I feel like it felt like they almost

like his thing was whatever and then it

almost felt like I felt disrespected

yeah and I just got instigated you know

but it is what it is you know now it's

whatever I now I got to text Lucas I got

to be like hey did you send that check

to the

AMA say text back one for yes and text

two for no and and reply Stu stop for

saving me exactly so I don't know like I

said luckily we live in a world where

people's attention span is like one one

day so um whatever he's getting he's um

he's going to be a race winner and he's

going to win races and he can change

people's opinion and that's a cool thing

about us as humans is if you are

consistent enough whatever people's

opinions were about him or whatever

it'll buff you know and and people are

going to forget about it in 2 weeks as

soon as he hits the top step of the

podium they're going to be like Prodigy

you know but at the same time I'm

getting old and I don't want to get out

of here you know so I'm trying to do the

same thing yeah and I mean you were

doing the thing that you were paid to do

on the track yeah and he was doing the

thing that he was paid to do yeah and

it's like I just I think that I would

all I'd be mad like let's say I'm in

that camp M and Jet has that night where

like he R great he came from damn near

last to get fourth on the night it's

like that's a great that's a great ride

right and he's pissed like getting forth

to him sucks yeah so if you're in his

team if you're L if you're dazzy and you

see jet get forth and ride back and be

pumped and want to spray champagne like

that's a almost a red flag if you're the

kid that everyone's saying that you are

you know so it's like I get that and and

that was the thing that I took I'm like

I laugh because I felt like you kind of

got the better of the exchange at the

end but then I was also pumped I'm like

there's the young dude the young cough

that's trying to take it to the old Bing

like that's kind of the role that you're

supposed to be in and as the as the

veteran of the sport you're you're a

Supercross Champion you're supposed to

be the guy that says hey bro no not

happening you ain't getting no [ __ ]

free passes you ain't getting nothing

free off me I'm still here I'm trying to

win this [ __ ] as well you know so it's

like you you guys kind of both played

the roles that you're supposed to play

you know and it's a huge Learning lesson

for him dude and it's one of the things

I said to I spoke to Myrtle and I was

like man this ain't your first this

ain't your last storm this might be your

first storm in the 450 class but it

ain't your last and I think probably the

disappointing thing at least this was a

thing that I was disappointed about was

seeing some of the comments and like the

way that people were piling on and that

said to me that it wasn't this issue it

was people were kind of waiting for him

to stumble to pile on you know what I

mean like it's almost like it's being

brought and dude no one wants to see the

young goodlooking cute Australian boy

come in and just [ __ ] murder their

Heroes and like that's what happened at

A1 and people aren't just going to be

stoked on that happened to Ricky happen

to Chad happen to James just I think

it's part of the process I also think

that there's there's a way you go about

it and I think in our industry there's

thing that result it only results are

only thing that matters but I think

there's a sense of our culture and stuff

like that to where there's a little bit

of etiquette I think there should be

Gatekeepers you know what I'm saying and

it's it's the same it goes with like

skating it goes with all these

industries if you're corny we don't care

if you're good you know we don't care if

you can do everything you know I I feel

like there's there's um a part of it

that is like very very

manufactured that but at the same time

you make the big money if you're pretty

manufactured and you're doing that you

know like look at Shawn White yeah you

know Scotty James yeah they're very

they're very much so different in in

compared to the culture the core you

know come from the streets kind of VI

exactly exactly so I think um that is

going to ruffle some feathers but even

if you are that and you're coming in

keeping it real with everyone is always

going to get you somewhere you know and

sometimes I think the message from that

side feels a little um obviously

Powerhouse obviously um it's just a

little bit different you know what I'm

saying so I think as far as that goes

it's it's um people are waiting for it

they're waiting for a reason to to not

not like him you know so it's just tough

you know they're in a situation that is

just it they have the microscope on them

yeah you know it's just how it is and

it's it's a unique position to be and

like no one no one in the sport has

dealt with what those two are bringing

to the table too you know and it's like

and they're they are trying to elevate

the sport and it's like we all want to

do that in our own way and like you've

done it in your own way like you've got

a super unique fan base you've bought

with you your own Vibe your own energy

and it hit and I would say that it grew

the sport in the way that you can you

know what I mean and like so everyone's

kind of got their their thing that they

like Chase for example you know like

he's got his identity so you'd say like

Eli's got his thing and those guys have

come in and they've said like we we

really would like to be a group that

grows the sport and it's like they're

doing stuff that hasn't been done and

just not going to get it right every

time yeah yeah the thing is is the

honestly I think controversy sells you

know for sure it does dude and I think

that's something that um is kind of not

understood in our line you know um not

saying that you just have to go around

being a [ __ ] you know but um this

stuff isn't necessarily bad I I

completely agree um the second thing is

I I feel like

the when it comes to our sport they're

taking on a role that they're like bring

on everything we can take on everything

as far as media all this stuff fans are

stuff like stuff so they're taking on a

lot and at some point there's got to be

a piece of the puzzle that's going to

crack you know what I'm saying because

you can't just go win win win win win

and be doing all that stuff he's done it

so far for the most part you know um but

like even for me like my the way I go

about it is like I don't think I

necessarily like being in the spotlight

but I do feel like I have some sort of I

guess you could say way I go about my

life that is different than most and I

think it's kind of yeah I guess you

could say my fan base kind of

appreciates that the way the way I I

guess the way I roll you know it's not

necessarily that I'm speaking to people

or anything like that because if I'm

being honest I don't really speak to

very many people you

know um it's and and that's just that's

just how I do it you know so uh the way

they're doing it is something that I

couldn't handle yeah mhm well I think

there is parallels though between you

and jet and you're probably a good

person to almost speak on the position

that he's in in a way because you're a

250 champ you came into the 450 class

established [ __ ] when you with

that young dude trying to fight for your

spot you know so I feel like you

actually can resonate with him a bit in

that situation too

different external stuff that comes

along with what like your path but very

similar in terms of the situation right

yeah I would just say the difference is

is like my path I came in I'm like I was

never Top Dog I never came into a superc

cross season where it's like he's going

to win or anything like that and I I

feel like I kind of manufactured that

myself cuz I didn't really cared to have

that I love my lifestyle and my

lifestyle is I race dirt bikes I feel

like I could win races and I

feel being able to be like a badass and

then go live my lowkey life doing

whatever I want which is you know

whatever it may

be I don't have to deal with a lot of

stuff you know and I'd rather that's

that's the way I like it yeah you know

but at the same time I still want to win

races and I still want to be good but

they bring it on in a sense to where

they're like they want it you know they

want the spotlight cuz it makes money

yeah you know yeah and that at the end

of the day that's that's what it is none

of us would really I love racing dirt

bikes you know I truly do I mean right

now I don't have to I don't have to do

anything you know but I truly love

racing dirt bikes but I wouldn't be

doing it if I wasn't making any money

doing it you know so at the end all me

is making that bread yeah you know and

they're doing a good job at it yeah yeah

and I think yeah it's just a lot there's

a lot going on there's a lot to deal

with they're doing a lot dealing with a

lot of stuff for the first time and you

just you're not going to get every

situation right yeah and I think that

yeah Saturday night was just one of

those situations that they they'll look

back on it and it'll be so funny oh D

and it'll be it's going to be funny to

both of you guys like at some point the

thing is I kind of already funny to you

yeah I just the thing is I've been

through situations where people will be

hating on me but like now I like you

said jet was upset this and that dude

even when I was winning my Championship

or I was in super high pressure

situations most of the time give me five

minutes I don't care you know so like

like me in a sense like I don't care

that night obviously when I show up to

the test track that week I'm like trying

to problem solve but in the grand SCH of

things I think there's just different

personalities yeah in it so it's uh it's

funny to me already yeah that's

basically what it is yeah and I when I

read it that day I fully was just like

damn Ando is doing a good job of selling

A2 like this is act like this is some

this is some fight game [ __ ] in a sense

F feld's pockets are pretty tight they

ain't giving us a cut no but I mean you

still you're getting the people in the

stands you're getting people to you know

pick picking aside in a sense but I

think I mean dude I think if we added up

all of the comments like I probably I'm

up there in with everybody in terms of

people commenting on things that you put

out into the world and the the thing

that you have to accept is that it's

just not real yeah you know fans can

switch and [ __ ] jet Lawrence jet

Lawrence is the man like it's just it's

so like and flow and back and forth and

it's just that has to be at least for me

it has to be a part of my life that

stays super separate from my feelings

yeah and it's I think that's the a

massive lesson to take out of it going

through something like that for the

first time is like hey just chill like

don't don't get your feelings into like

the comments because they come they go

mhm and they're not real if you don't

read them yeah and and another thing too

is as crazy as it sounds sound like I

say I take it lightly and I say it's

it's fun when we line up that shit's

still in our heads you know what I'm

saying so it is a real thing but in

reality Our Lives it's funny you know

and I hope hopefully homeboy isn't

taking it like too personal in his life

to where he's letting it mess up his day

cuz I know it's not messing up my day

you know even when I've been on the bad

side of it but when you line up you be

if you see him in front of you you be

digging a little harder you know or you

see him behind me I'm like I seen your

reaction last week in when I didn't let

you by like this C we just got 3T wider

[ __ ]

yeah dude biggest L for me though in the

whole situation was Austin

forner worst worst comment I've ever

seen on a social media post massive L he

took the biggest l in the whole

situation I know I that was the hardest

part for me was some of the comments I

was just like boys [ __ ] you cooked it

you fully cooked it this this post has

like 85,000 likes everyone in the

industry is talking about it and [ __ ]

you cooked it the the hard part is is

you have to understand what

people are thinking you know what I'm

saying and when you write something you

got to understand how they're going to

react to it and I don't think some

people know how to do that you know not

but but homie really felt valid and

passionate so like I feel bad that he

did get cooked over it but that's the

hard part is you have to be almost aware

enough to know what you're doing you

know um which it didn't go very well

yeah yeah but it's just it's a thing you

have to learn over time you know like I

feel like I've been exposed to those

lessons and I've said some [ __ ]

dumbass [ __ ] like and you just have to

realize that when you go a platform and

a lot of people listen or you're in a

stadium with 35,000 people like there's

just a way that you have to there's a

box you have to try and stay within if

you step outside that box it's like the

floor is lava see like even for me like

obviously there's a box that we have to

stay in which is like we represent

companies you know so we're representing

I'm representing Kawasaki a very

conservative company Let the Good Times

role family

oriented there's a part of me that knows

I would be bigger and would have more

freedom being able to do what I want and

say what I want but it doesn't really

pertain to a lot of Brands yeah that

I support or that support me in what

this dream that I'm keeping alive so

that's the hard part for me personally

because the person that I am is a is a

little bit past that not saying like

party I'm not saying any of that I'm

just saying like my humor yeah you know

more so than anything the memes you

would share if you could I'd be

canceled like on on the real so um but

it's uh I it's my humor and stuff like

that would definitely be on the border

you know and I'd have to be aware of

that yeah you know that I can't be

saying that stuff or anything like that

you know yeah yeah well uh we we could

probably put that that section to

bed yeah the think I think we're done I

think you're cool think everyone

everyone's cool it'll be it'll make for

a good it'll make for a good uh a good

Saturday night I'm interested to see how

[ __ ] fired up the dude is on the on

the track like if he just starts trying

to go for some freak [ __ ] you know MH

it'll be it'll be a good compilation

reel in 10 years for him yeah it'll be

part of it attitudes of motocross

411 you know that page bro I live on

that page that'll be like attitudes of

motocross volume 9 or something I love

love all the comments too that were like

Fel shouldn't find them because they're

going to use this in every promo it's

just like yes that's how this works what

people don't understand it's not Feld

finding me it's AMA finding me okay so

our check goes to well hopefully

Myrtle's check goes to

AMA but uh yeah it's just it's uh even

like that whole side of things is just

comedy to me you know my thing with them

I'm like okay so if you're at a and

someone punches you first and you punch

back that's self-defense you don't get a

you're fine yeah Scott free you know and

I'm like I still got fined like what I'm

supposed to just let him grab me but it

is what it is I'm not I'm I'm a

AMA man they're really they're really

jacking up my

401k for

real dude the the other thing I will say

though actually is I'm not mad at that

whole like grabbing each other after the

race like a little bit of that

because once you kind of get the

physical [ __ ] out of your system it sets

a like a lot of stuff simmers after that

but if if like let's say someone breaks

that up and like you you guys don't even

get a chance to like have that exchange

that still like stays with you and I'd

be so bummed if like practice one heat

one main event you guys come together

you do a ACL he does a colone like that

would suck that and it can happen so

quick on the track even with the most

calculated like you guys are the best it

can still happen so quick I was

obviously I don't know if you saw

Rhino's thing but the other day like I

was there with with Max vand and I've

been riding with him all the time yeah

you know and it's crazy how quick stuff

can happen on the simplest things I mean

poor guy put his hip out and then we

have to go back and be doing the same

section you know what I'm saying

and it's just some people I don't think

understand

that the reality of what we actually

have to do and stuff like that so like

that physical stuff that between me and

him after the race is nothing compared

to yeah it's minor it's so minor when

you get to start doing stuff on the

track that's whenever it's like you know

like I understand block pass and clean

each other out in the corner and stuff

like that but even for me I'll be in the

corner and I'm not saying that I've been

the you know the victim you know I've

definitely had victims it's going both

yeah it's it's gone both ways yeah let's

just say that but I do believe that I've

only been able I've tried to keep it in

Corners you know what I'm saying and and

sometimes I'll be honest there is

intentions that aren't from my side

where I'm like screw this guy and

there's sometimes where I'm just

overeager you know and I'm just coming

in and I'm like I'm in this situation my

[ __ ] you know I'm

sorry I'm already thinking it in my head

but there are times whenever our egos

get the best of us but at the same time

the sport only works with egos yeah we

don't push the limits without our egos

yeah you know it's we're just We're Men

you know yeah so uh but yeah this this

this stuff is crazy and I'm like you're

finding us for for that like the helmet

grabbing and stuff like that it's not

even that big of a deal yeah yeah and

I'm glad it happened you know like it's

good that it gets that [ __ ] out of the

way

many ites into practice it goes into aat

[ __ ] F your season and then everyone

loses massive two dudes grabbing each

other's face great for Instagram great

for all the [ __ ] keyboard Warriors

great for the next week's racing and

then we're done mhm so I'm not mad at it

yeah how's the season been thus

far uh I mean obviously first round was

pretty all right um you rode [ __ ]

good all all day all night like that was

really solid yeah I I mean I feel good

and I feel like I could be

pretty like I think right now I'm only

like I'm tied for like third in points

like 10 points out so it's like it's the

craziest weirdest beginning of the

Season just because of because of the

the two mud races um but for me you know

I'm you know I I feel at this time for

like my career and stuff like that I

want to I want to be good I don't I'm

still I still believe my better days are

ahead of me but I also understand how

gnarly it is right now and the podium

hasn't been the same I think the only

person who's gotten two podiums is Chase

mhm and it the level is just

unbelievable yeah it really is how does

it feel from last year to

now um I thought last year was actually

pretty high I think there

was honestly I think last year it was

more of like a six guy thing m in the

front that could be on the on the podium

and this year I think you've already had

six guys MH you know

um the crazy part is I used to think

like back in like say like

2017 like it was

gnarly and it's just even more yeah but

the the it's not necessarily like say

like speeds are much higher or anything

like that it's just you have 10 dudes

that are very refined yeah you know

they're refined athletes yeah you know

and I think obviously you give it two

more years I think it's going to go back

more towards that 2017 because obviously

I think us us are going to start like

exiting yeah you know

um but at the same time you never know

like I don't want to exit in two years

yeah what else am I going to do you know

like what am I going to do with my free

time um I I love hanging out with my

family but like I other than that like

lucky thing for my job is they can be

with me all the time yeah so um yeah

it's a

lifestyle and the when you've spent so

many years doing what you've done you

get so like refined at it you know what

I mean like you kind of know the places

to eat you know the hotels you know the

way you want to travel you know the pro

like it it is like routine is it easy

thing to keep going once it's rolling

and dude at this point I'm just making

it comfortable you know like right now

you know we go to the races like to be

honest my days are very mellow yeah um I

love I do Smash

Bros yeah that is actually what I do

yeah so like I I go to the races um I

stay in my motor home the night before

got starlink watch YouTube watch Netflix

yeah sleep wake up scooter to the Uber

Eats wherever the Stadium's at eat my

breakfast go out practice come back I've

been trying to beat Super Mario World

Wonder um watched this last week and we

didn't have a second practice so I

literally crushed a documentary it was

like um some lady that got kidnapped but

no one died or anything in the thing but

it was a crazy documentary and I'm like

that's what I'm doing yeah you know and

then I go race yeah and then I get done

and I'm at home then I go to the track

and I get I'm really fulfilled grinding

like it's crazy at this point in my life

one of my favorite things to do is

literally go to the track and

grind and I would have never thought I'd

have been that person but I like to do

like I said like I work hard play harder

so I like to have a good time but at the

same time I'd be putting in the work too

yeah it's funny I was uh I was talking

to a he did the the Pod no yes I day

before and uh I was saying like we did

the whole world vets thing and I just

spent a month here rode like four times

a week just was fully on the program

like running training washing my bike

eating good my wife was washing my [ __ ]

making good food like that's it it's

[ __ ] dope yeah like and I was given

it my all which is [ __ ] all essentially

but I was I was having a crack and it

was insanely fulfilling to just every

day just make that little bit of

progress little bit of progress and I

think I don't know like I don't know

what your resistance would have been to

it before but I feel like if you can

give over whatever resistance you have

to that grind and just accept it and

like look for the Fulfillment in it it's

a [ __ ] rad place to be I would say my

my thing is is growing up you're 16

years old you go professional you don't

have a life you know and and the the

hardest part I I think the resistance is

more it taking you away from things that

you want to do in those days in your

life you know yep that makes sense um

and I've kind of feel like I've been

able to work out of balance to where

even even now that I'm

older um I have a kid and I'm

married I still like to go like I'm I

still feel young you know like and not

only in the sense of like um still

wanting to do my job and stuff like that

but even on the other side like dude I'm

still trying I still enjoy doing cool

things TR and everyone whether they like

it or not they want to be cool you know

like I still love trying to be cool you

know I love the way I could try and make

my style cool I love the way I could do

like my insta edits I love the way I

could do all of that stuff yeah you know

so I still feel young in that sense I

still feel like sometimes if I want to

pop out you know and I want to go to La

like I'm still doing that but I do

understand how to work you know and I

I'm totally okay with the balance of my

life right now and I think I can

maintain the balance of my life doing

what I do and I think I could still win

races and I think obviously if you were

to look at you know where the human body

is I think we could still be 32 33 34

still in our Prime and I think more in

the past it's more mentally that guys

have had to retire because they couldn't

handle the pressure yeah of it and I

think once you are able to just

understand that it's your job and you

just do your job yeah you understand

that it's pretty damn cool and you enjoy

it yeah well I think the w w put uh said

something really cool on the show where

he basically said like I think we had

this almost like a false narrative of

retirement based on like Ricky 25

million championships Stu did his thing

made boatloads of cash and then I mean

Ste actually went longer yeah and his

career kind of got derailed in a sense

um it's bad example but then you have

like Ryan four championships in a row

dunge three championships in a row it's

like at some point if you're winning

that many championships it's like you're

going to lose and it's like do you want

to be the guy that loses or you're a

legend and you can go out on four

championships or you can go out on three

championships and then you just don't

have to deal with like imagine the

mental load of winning that many

championships back to back and just

being like is this the season that it's

done you know so it's like I get why

those guys would walk away but we we are

now in an era where like you won a

championship C won a championship IL won

a championship C chase you know it's so

like that pressure kind of isn't the

same you know and I think I was just

going to say I I I just feel like if you

can deep down inside understand what you

really love doing in life do that you

know like whether I I think a big thing

is is a lot of people stress about

people's opinions and I'm the same I'm a

victim of it you know like it's hard not

to be though you can't I mean it's being

a human you know um but people will you

have obviously you have Instagram

comments and stuff like that and it's

actual people's voices that do go in

your head you know I'm but if you do

enough thought into like what you

actually love doing you understand that

this is what it is yeah you know and I

think that a lot of guys maybe have

retired too early and they didn't

understand that they actually enjoyed

what they did and the winning kind of

overshadowed it with the pressure and

everything like that yeah and for me

that's that's where I'm at yeah I'm to

do what I do and I ain't [ __ ] leaving

[ __ ] I mean I'm so glad though like I

would be [ __ ] bummed to go to a A1

that you're not there like at some point

that's going to happen yeah it is I'm

I'm not ready for it and there's a lot

of people that aren't ready for it same

as Eli you know like dude when at Denver

last year when I saw that [ __ ]

Achilles go I there was a big part of me

that was like a very real moment of like

[ __ ] I might not ever see that dude race

again and I'm a fan yeah like I'm a

massive fan I got so much love and

respect for what you guys do I think

it's the coolest thing in the world and

that was a very real moment of like damn

bro like he's that's it and I mean he's

so private you might never hear from him

again like he he's a dude that might

legitimately Just Bounce yeah he could

he could he could very well be that but

I'm telling you he's not going to be you

reckon I'm just I just don't think that

you'll never not see him again he'll be

it some form or of or some capacity you

know some way shape or form he will be

dir bikes yeah that's his identity yeah

that's my identity you know as much as

we try and create this stuff that isn't

our identity we do it and we put our

vibe to it that's really what we do dude

it's it's funny you say that like even

when I started this I had no intentions

of it being this mhm but this is just

who I am obviously you know over a long

enough time scale like I'm I wanted I

was going to ride today didn't end up

riding today but like dude I'm trying to

ride twice a week ain't that good at it

but I've done it almost every week yeah

of my life you know of my adult life you

know I bet as you were growing up you

didn't know that your best talent was

going to be your podcast voice yep did

not think that and you know what so

funny to like we were we were the full

ghetto Moto kids like our bikes were

always three four years older like never

had anything cool on them and I realized

like I said to my wife during the the

whole world vets thing had like [ __ ]

shower a kit on my bike and just dude I

just had everything and like I was just

spending every like going into a and

being like I need [ __ ] two new tires

bang I need this I need that oh yeah

remove my mesh from my filter bang I'm

getting that and it was so like that's

that really hit me I was like [ __ ] you

are so you're done for this [ __ ] well

you got to even think even from our end

dude like I grew up and I remember when

I went to Loretta and I got three free

sets of gear and I was like oh my god

dude I'm balling I'm balling and now

it's like you get five sets a weekend

yeah you know and you race 31 times a

year plus practice gear it's

when you put it into

perspective bro we're doing exactly what

we wanted to do yeah you know yeah

so that's like from from there it gets

life gets it real Twisted yeah it really

does life gets it twisted and uh yeah I

mean it's it's crazy but it's it's

freaking awesome too at the same time

how does being married and having the

kid I don't have the kid yet but I got

married

I I don't know it's hard to explain but

when we got married I felt like the

biggest mental load just like gone and

no one everyone always says like oh your

wedding is going to be the best day of

your life and all this but it was

honestly after that I just felt like

this huge weight lifted off my shoulders

in a sense and I'm like I never

hopefully never have to think about that

side of life ever again like I'm done I

have this person we've got this life

together like we're on a we're on a sick

[ __ ] program she know like we call it

like our responsibilities I'm

responsible for this you're responsible

for that I don't need your help on this

you don't need my help on that MH let's

figure it out and you just get on this

like role you have all of the other

noise that comes with like finding a

partner or like entertaining Partners or

multiple partners wherever you're at in

your life but huge weight that I never

knew would be taken off my shoulders was

it kind of like that with

you to be honest you don't ever have to

hit your homies up to know if they're

busy cuz they're with you all the time

yeah yeah you know um our interests are

very similar you know we love to do we

love to eat food we be going to

restaurants all the time that's like one

of our favorite things to do yeah

um yeah it's just to be honest even like

having my daughter that

is the coolest thing to come home and

like see her like smile and like

recognize you like obviously my daughter

is 10 months old so it's not like she's

saying like Dad you know but just to see

her light up whenever you walk in the

door is crazy and like even whenever

she's not around with my parents or

keny's parents and you miss her MH you

know it's kind it's the

craziest feeling that you can't

understand or explain the love until you

have a kid and I don't I'm I'm always

curious about this but I'm not sure how

involved some of other Racers are with

their kids but like I feel like I've

kind of been in the depths of it like I

don't know Kenzie sometimes has me like

changing diapers like a shitty diaper on

the plane and stuff like that but it

don't really bother me and I'm like are

all these other guys doing that or is

their girl just like handling this you

know but for honestly it's been fun

and with with her sometimes it's a

little bit of chaos yeah with having my

daughter traveling being there like

sometimes she doesn't want to sleep or

whatever but the chaos doesn't even

bother me when it's them yeah if it was

like my friend and it was keeping me up

all night I'd like get the [ __ ] out you

know yeah and with them it's just as it

it's

just those are times that you'll never

get back yeah so it's pretty cool yeah

and they're my homies yeah yeah that's

pretty cool it's cool to see you in that

role too you know and I guess you just

never know how you'd feel or what you'd

what you'd expect how you'd react until

you're in it but it's just so rad the

way that you've takeen to it yeah I

don't think people really expected me to

be like that too um and I think that's

more of a surprise too to people um I

always wanted to have kids you know I

really did um well you come from a good

family yeah so I think but just the

person I am I don't think people really

expected me to take on it like I I do in

a sense but I feel like most people

probably don't know you that well no one

really knows me that well so the people

that didn't expect it like don't really

know you that well like if if I'm being

honest like a lot of my closest friends

are not really related to like anything

in this world yeah you know I do have

friends in this world don't get me wrong

and I have friends I've met in this

world that are out of this world now out

of like Motocross yeah that I'm still

friends with and are doing like insane

stuff you know and so like if I'm going

to go do something on an off

weekend it's with friends that are doing

really cool things you know but it's not

necessarily like I feel like a lot of

guys have friends in in the industry you

know and that's something different that

I feel like I've lived you know but

um yeah not really many people in my in

my world really know me yeah and why is

that are you just closed off in by

nature or

so I don't know I honestly don't know

well I would say like one of my closest

friends is Dean you know yeah but I

trust Dean he ain't a

rat oh [ __ ] but yeah so I don't know

like it's hard to be vulnerable around

people when you feel like if you are

vulnerable around them the news is going

to go around yeah and when I say

vulnerable it could be it could mean

nothing you know it could mean

like it could mean nothing you know it

could even be just me wanting to go have

a drink or something like that you know

and there's a weird thing to where I

really wanted to be taken serious and I

think I am I'm taking like in my core

group in racing like with c and

everything like that they take me very

serious because I take my job very

seriously or else I wouldn't have the

respect or the amount of years I mean

I've this is my 14th or 15th year of

being a factory guy and still my

decisions in the way I go about things

is taken very seriously yeah you're

respected like your approach is

respected exactly and I feel if I were

to have friends that were like almost

like mixing business with pleasure yeah

you know so like I feel like sometimes

my personal life I would like to keep it

somewhat separate but at the same time

there's some there's some fools in the

industry that know that we pop off you

know but they ain't rats

either oh that's that's quite funny yeah

um yeah and yeah I guess it's it is a

good point you know like it it can be

very like convoluted you know and a lot

of people

word got to read a book

once stuck yeah but it can get messy and

and there's there's a lot of like I

would call them like five minute friends

you know it's like people that they like

they they're like in a rotation and

you're like on this team or you're in

this group or with this train and it's

like and then you can get to invested

you know with like those people but I

also think it's just older like the

older you get the smaller that your

circle get

in and it's natural in a sense too you

know you just have less energy to invest

in places that don't like yield a return

and another tough thing even just in the

in in in where I'm at in life is I went

from having a lot of people around me

that I would say relied on me you know

like I guess you could say um

financially yeah and that's one thing

that I kind of

have gone through since becoming being

married and having my daughter I don't

have time for that type of stuff you

know what I'm saying

and you really understand your worth in

people's eyes whenever you kind of grow

up you know so whenever you're not

necessarily being um whenever you're not

a financial help to some people you get

kind of clipped really quick and that's

just getting older too you know know I

mean that means that's probably going to

be the same with sponsors at some point

when I start keep asking for numbers

that I want to be paid it's going to get

less yeah you know but that's just the

reality of Life yeah it's business yeah

and if you can laugh at it and just

understand that you're an old head it is

what it is you just hope you did the

right things you know so that's um

that's another life-changing thing that

is uh tough and it's hard in in our line

of work with friends in the industry

yeah and it's kind of made it's made me

very sour um and it's made my

self-esteem be low because you sometimes

feel like um your worth towards people

was only money MH you know and that's a

that's a that's a tough thing that I

know a lot of guys definitely go through

you know and even like even jet there's

going to be a time where he has a lot of

people on

payroll when they're not on payroll are

they going to be around yeah you know

that's the reality and this is not in

any way speaking about jet but that

situation I've seen it yeah I'm friends

with a lot of different people a lot of

different sports a lot of different

businesses a lot of different

Industries there's also a thing that

happens that's like really [ __ ] up

that I would like love to warn people on

but it's very hard like it's very hard

to speak against it it's like speaking

bad on a dude's chick you really in the

moment you kind of can't and you can't

even speak bad on people when they break

up because a lot of times you get back

together but there's a thing too where

you'll have like a crew that's on

payroll and it's like they need a job to

do mhm and if they don't have a job

they'll find a job MH and sometimes that

the job that they find is just some

[ __ ] [ __ ] that they've drummed up

to like perhap to make a fire that they

need to put out and then you become

I got this bro don't worry everything's

taken care of and it's like there's this

issue that's going on in the background

that he's going to take care of that

he's never even seen first like it's

just some f gazy issue that this guy's

going to take care of and then you just

have this regular flow of these fires

that need to be put out by these people

on the payroll and I've seen it in a

bunch of different scenarios and like

that is one of the things where it's

like oh that's kind of rough to go

through it's it is it is it's rough to

watch it's rough to see it's rough to

not be able to say anything I will say

one thing that I've been very lucky with

is I have an agent everyone has an agent

my agent's my homie yeah that is a very

thin line you know what I'm saying when

your agent is your friend and every

agent is is the a friend of their

writers usually they aren't whenever

they're done yeah you know um I'm lucky

though that my my Kenny he's one of my

best friends he is and knows everything

about me and and from everyone that's

been around me family wife you know

in-laws I'm his only guy and I know that

relationship is really solid so I've

been always lucky with that and I can

tell him anything and he will tell tell

me the truth from you know a good being

real yeah like that's the easiest thing

um but I do see agents that are agents

and I'm like It's just tough you know

but they they're trying to get their

money too you know so like like I said I

feel everyone's valid in the situations

that they're in but then there's also a

lot of people around the extras and the

extras um sometimes they're very genuine

yeah you know oh dude for sure 100% like

I wouldn't say that they all are bad no

bro I know and as much as I know dudes

that are [ __ ] trash I know some

absolute studs like just the most

gangster [ __ ] of all time no

one knows their name unless you've dealt

with X person ex riter X whatever no one

knows who they are but if you know you

[ __ ] know the extras are a [ __ ]

Vibe let's be real what you doing after

the race hit up some

extras so yeah that's um that's that's

hard because like I'm talking negative

like all these people are bad but there

are are some people that are around that

are very genuine I've been through

situations to where it hasn't ended

great but like I said everyone's valid

for their own feelings and opinion and

I've came to the realize instead of

being sour about a lot of things I've

taken on the chin and it is what it is

yeah and everyone's the hero of Their

Own Story you know everyone's the main

character in the documentary of their

life you know like you're all selfish

yeah you're just a you're you're it's

your first person perspective and it's

the closest most detailed one that

you've got and it's like the hardest

thing to do sometimes is to see things

from another person's perspective it's

tough and you know another tough thing

too is like as a as a Motocross athlete

you're taught to be selfish well you

kind of have to be selfish yeah you do

but you got to understand that you have

a lot of Life to Live whenever this is

done so for me I I almost feel like

sometimes I'm retraining myself because

I understand I can't be selfish all the

time you know within the life and my the

relationships I have within my life that

sometimes I got to give and having my

daughter has made that simple yeah you

know that has made that simple sometimes

I get selfish with you know like if if

she's crying at night like I'm not

waking up I got a ride tomorrow you know

but I know I know my wife will take care

of it you know but other aspects of our

life you know I definitely have to be

selfless a little bit you know um more

so than I definitely would in the past

yeah oh man that to that conversation

bro that's what me and my wife I'm like

these are your responsibilities that you

do not need my help with and I will

never ask you to record the podcast I

will never ask you to edit videos I will

never ask you to have meetings with the

I won't ask you to do any of that stuff

so let's and it [ __ ] works as long as

two people know that we're on the same

page that's the I think it gets messy

when people don't There's No Boundaries

you know cuz you can't be up at 3 4 5

a.m. and get out and put your life on

the line yeah you you can't you really

can't and that's that's the tough part

is like sometimes I hate to say it but I

will say this I'm like I got to sleep

it's life or death it's life or death

and we're warriors out there straight up

like if I don't get if I'm getting three

hours of REM could be death pick one you

want that you really want that you want

me here that's super dark humor but yeah

it's kind of funny I'm for it uh so were

you uh maybe potentially alluding at

some team fried stuff before when you

were talking have you have you spoke

about any of the team fried stuff do you

want to get into it I mean yeah I mean

we you can I'll be very I'll be very um

neutral in the whole situation you know

feel like I want to give you a chance to

at least say the things you would like

to say I'm

personally very bummed that at the end

of every outdoor national I don't get to

watch that [ __ ] and see [ __ ]

screaming team fry and basically like

taking over so this is selfish on me I'm

bummed as a fan you know to be honest

everyone saw the press

release everyone saw the press release

um the the face of Team fried press

press release was released and I didn't

even know it was getting released yeah

okay that was it and whatever feelings

they had towards me or anything like

that it was unknowing yeah you know what

I'm saying like I never got any anything

on in the sense of like hey I feel ill

towards you in this way I feel ill

towards you in this way it

was just nothing and that's that's what

it was you know and it's tough whenever

you have people that you've

supported financially for years you know

and it's something that we started

together and it would have been cool to

end it together and I think it was

something yeah but um it's honestly I I

feel like it's

more something that is trauma you know

what I'm

saying that sounds crazy but it kind of

is you know so it's like you know kind

of rip yeah it maybe it could be

something but at the same time I don't

know if it it

um I it would it would be weird yeah it

would just be weird yeah you know yeah

maybe maybe inside of like team fried we

could call it like still

fried you know but um you know I would

love to still be the creative director

of that but it may

be it may be retirement accessories when

we're

done still

fried um but yeah I would like to do it

and I I would I would hope people would

take on to it if I did continue to do

something cuz in in the end I feel like

I'm a very creative person I just don't

have the mental capacity to deal with a

lot of that stuff so I would need help

in a sense um I think I have pretty good

humor when it comes to like ideas you

know and basically keep people

entertained you know not necessarily

content but just [ __ ] that I think is

cool yeah you know um whether that be

team fried it's has nothing going on

right now you know there's t-shirts and

boxes and stuff like that and there's no

content going out

um but um I would have to assemble a

crew and it's kind of tough because when

you do something like that you want to

assemble a crew that you're like live

eat breed die that [ __ ] you know because

that's what makes it cool yeah you know

um and to be able to do that is like a a

weird like vulnerable spot I had to put

myself in with other people to be able

to do video content and stuff like that

yeah you know um but it could be fun

like I have ideas in my head that could

be really fun but first you need budget

and stuff like that and I'm not willing

to spend any of my money right now got

college

funds you have been a taught

[ __ ] since the day I first met

you you I remember I think we spoke

about on the last podcast but I remember

we had you know we went to your place in

Claremont you just moved there and you

had a b you were like giving us a tour

and you had like a your TV was on a

cardboard box I'm like this [ __ ]

is a millionaire yeah and then you like

you were telling us that you w something

came up and you're like yeah I made it

pay for dinner blah blah blah and I'm

like this guy has no chill and I like it

but you had a very solid plan in your

mind of exactly how your career was

going to play out and the cool thing is

you said I'm going to be a supergross

champion you were still a 250 dude back

then tick tick tick like you tick you

tick the boxes yeah I uh I didn't see

myself going far past I wanted to win a

450 Supercross Championship I didn't see

myself going far past it because of the

stress that it took to get there but

like I said what do I do to love or what

do I love to do this is it you know

whatever it is um but yeah I I've been

good with my money and people have

talked Al about that how I haven't spent

money I've made mistakes we all have you

know and we don't know much cuz it's a

lot of trial and error and but like now

as I get older like I be living a little

bit you know like it's just you know I I

I I live in a beautiful area I think

when you have uh someone to look after

yeah it really like that definitely

changed for me like bro if I didn't have

my wife here well the first few months I

was here this time around I was sleep on

a [ __ ] floor in a mezzanine for 3

months happy as Larry like I was so

dialed my wife rocked up and she's like

this has to change and I'm like Fair no

push back for me when you have people

that you're trying to look after and

you're trying to take care of and you're

trying to provide a certain lifestyle

for there is no shame in trying to live

good yeah I mean I definitely whenever I

met um keny I my my mattress was still

on the

ground such a dude thing yeah my

mattress was on the ground but it was in

lagona looking at the beach so like it

wasn't like it wasn't like it wasn't

like the

hood but um yeah now I mean I I do

luckily this this sport has given me

what it's given me you know um I started

when I was 6 years old think it's a

hobby and I'm turning 31 next month and

I'm living in lagona Beach racing dirt

bikes in a beautiful home that looks at

the ocean and um well I'm in an

apartment right now but I have my homes

there water damage I'm going through

something right

now but uh but yeah that's what that's

that's that's where I'm at you know I'm

super lucky and um it's pretty crazy

going from you know in Claremont you

know I had you know my TV on a cardboard

box and stuff like like that but you

know I still had I still

had I was on the way up and I was

relentless on like I'm going to why do I

need to spend money right now yeah all I

need to do is that you know and I still

feel that way but I'm just like I'm not

giving up on what I'm doing but I'm

doing other [ __ ] too yeah basically and

that's kind of how I feel once you get

into your 30s you kind of have to be

that way cuz you don't if dude if you're

30 some years old and and you're married

on a cardboard box and you're making

your your chick do do that life I don't

know I don't think that's like

real there's she's got some issues or

you got some issues you know agree with

that so um yeah we we've upgraded yeah

uh what what kind of investing stuff did

you want to get into when you were

younger like you said you made some

mistakes like you got it fairly dialed

now days but like what did you get into

like Whose advice did you take like how

did you kind of navigate those Waters

so I've just learned um my agent's been

helpful and sometimes I haven't taken

his advice when I should have um first

things first as I always knew homes were

good um but then I didn't understand the

liability and pain that homes are yeah

you know um yeah it's work tenants suck

yeah um I've had issues with that

um to where it's costing me money um but

most of the time I've bought houses and

I've never sold for less than what it

was worth or less than I paid for it so

I've always made money but if I was to

do it all over again I wouldn't even

have done homes I would have bought

nicer homes to live in but I would have

put all my money into you know

uh like an investment account like I

have one right now obviously um I have a

trust everything like that but but um I

would have made more money way less

stressfree doing that yeah um just

betting on the market yeah not bet like

I mean I have a guy who controls my

portfolio yeah um but houses are tough

because you have to deal with tenants

you have to deal with houses breaking

you have to deal with yard you have to

deal with all of this stuff that it's

like they're like oh yeah you get a

house for this much and you rent it for

this much and you make this much seems

simple it's

not okay so like and then when you're

selling houses you're dealing with

Realtors you're getting offers then

you're dealing with capital gains tax

and then you're dealing with you know

it's just it's a lot to deal with you

know and if if you want to do it as a

full-time job it's not that big of a

deal because if you have tenants and

they have [ __ ] that's broken or they

need something that's your job well I'm

racing I'm gone 31 weekends a year you

know um but like right now I I have a

house in New Mexico it's rented um I

have a house house in

lagona getting rented and just property

management but I'm only down to two

that's the only two and then I have an

house in lagona that I live in yeah so

that's um that's kind of where I'm at on

on that whole thing um if I was to give

advice to a kid um coming up that's

making a bunch of money I'd say buy a

house that you live in and put your

money

into some portfolio to where you have

someone managing in it that's a lowrisk

one that is it's just making money yeah

because when you get into the home deals

it's a lot I don't know about any other

Investments besides that that is like

good I

mean I'm on YouTube I'm watching all of

the finance stuff like I definitely got

Bitcoin

like like I'm not saying like I'm not

like into all that stuff but yeah but

there's like a dedicated bit of like

that's almost play money in a sense

right you know like you're not you're

not betting your retirement on [ __ ]

Bitcoin like fun to try and make some

cash there yeah I honestly just every

time it goes low I like will throw like

$1,000 at it and like right now I think

I own a little over three

coins um but I've just only done like a

little bit at a time a little bit at a

time and I'm just curious where it goes

in the future yeah you know so it's not

like it's money that is that crazy but

from from the YouTube videos I watch

it's going to be big in

2035 you be on Johnny H's Channel watch

chance yeah Johnny Krypto yeah Johnny

Hopper I to be honest I watch all

YouTube so I watch I his channel is kind

of funny he's changed his channel a lot

dude I've he's a different guy on his

channel now yeah yeah I actually got a

lot of love for Johnny Hoppa he's a he's

he's a bit of a s j i watch his videos

every one of them that's sick I think he

he Nails it like I think he's pretty

good I honestly

like as much as people probably think I

don't watch their channels I watch

everything

everything that's so sick yeah I know

all of them what's the what's the like

your reasoning you just want to be aware

you just want to know I'm

bored I just need entertainment just

that algorithm bro just serve it up

uhhuh so like yeah I be on what was I

watching the other day there's um these

people uh the Amazon shopping that was

one of them but like just Moto

wise bro I watch anything from Moran's

Ma

you know the mor Mafia yeah I know the

mafia n that's uh but like just all of

them yeah they're all pretty

entertaining what do you think of the

current state of like the Moto landscape

where it comes to that because on the

last few years there's been like a

massive influx of like new channels new

people making content like a lot of more

people have opinions mhm like you've

been around the sport a long time like

what's your thoughts on the way it's

evolved in that sense

so there's ways to make money now a lot

of ways to make money um I think that

the ways that you can make money in in

the sport is

uh sometimes I feel like people are just

doing anything they can do for a

dollar and I think there's uh like a

gatekeeper thing to where I wish it was

a little more quality you know it's

instead of just pushing your

merch so we flirt on the line where

people try and be cool like um like

action sports and then you have people

who are pushing merch like they're

NASCAR M so I think we're so in the

middle that we're trying to be both of

Both Worlds yeah um for me I I even was

thinking of trying to do stuff this year

and

honestly I'm

to I want I want more quality yeah in in

any

sort of like content or aspect of my

life that I put out yeah to where I want

it to be cool yeah cuz if it's not just

being real with who I am I would I I

become a little insecure about it yeah

you know so I'd rather just put out

nothing instead of something that is

just whatever it is um and then like

when it comes to like merch and stuff

like that I would love to do merch

because I know I can make a grip you

know of some some money you know whether

it be like a couple hundred, in a year

or 500,000 or a million that's

possible I just let I just leave that

money on the table and don't even do it

that sounds crazy you know but it's

[ __ ] hard bro like we we have a big

Channel and I don't I sell one t-shirt a

week there's like probably six sizes on

our website and it's just and that's my

wife like she was in fashion like that

was her whole thing like she lived in

China all the fact like she literally

knows that en I know all the logistics

of it yeah and I'm just like I don't

have time I don't have the mental energy

I don't like what's crazy is is I

probably know more of the logistics of

like how to get product created like

good product and than the people that

are actually selling merchandise right

now yeah but I just don't care to do it

because I don't I think it's

corny you know like not to be I'm not I

don't want to say I'm hating because

dude I would love to have an extra

[ __ ] $250,000 in my pocket but it's

not me yeah you know and that's cool

yeah and it's cool to like actually

admit that you know what I mean I think

a lot of people don't want to admit it

either way and some people and like

manan's Mafia you know like there's

[ __ ] people out there that are buying

the his [ __ ] and they love it and Logan

Kan there's people buying that [ __ ] and

they [ __ ] love it and it helps those

guys go racing like massive net positive

to every and that's them and it's just

not for everyone without YouTube without

Shopify the some of these guys they

wouldn't be racing yeah secondly some of

these guys are making enough money they

can maybe retire if they do it right

that's the crazy part about this whole

thing so it's cool cuz it creates

opportunities for guys to make a living

that would never have the chance to make

a living if it was 1995 yeah you know um

especially because of how F runs it like

we don't get to really have a merged

trailer that kind of bums me out that's

always been a bit of a sticking point

mhm so I don't know I I I if I was to do

cool stuff and stuff that I want to want

to

do it would be crazy

honestly um you're you're from Australia

but but you probably wouldn't I don't

honestly I'm not I don't even want to

say these ideas that I have because I

don't even know if they're cool or not

but I think it would be cool to do stuff

that is more like

interactive um and you can make

merchandise funny yeah you can make it I

and I think there's a lot of things that

are coming um along in certain sports

like cycling yeah um skate I mean skate

is fashion right now yeah it just it

just is yeah you know there's there's

high-end brands that are um

understanding the that I mean you have

um a shot walking runways M you know

it's pretty crazy yeah um and I I wish

our sport understood that if they

changed a couple things um they could be

there yeah mhm they really could yeah I

think uh I think jet could yeah um I

think Chase could

um I just I think it's a very much so

danger boy 100% could dude and he loves

the drip mhm and and it's it it it it

could be there to the point to where we

are on the level of um I'm not

necessarily saying you have to have a

Netflix documentary yeah but I'm saying

on the level to where you are having

Brands fly you out to to Fashion W and

[ __ ] yeah yeah and it sounds corny and

stuff like that but it's it's cool yeah

it really is like I even feel like

people sometimes wouldn't even uh think

of

like like me and my wife love to go

shopping we love nice stuff you know um

I wouldn't spend any money on anything

if I didn't like it um but I think that

area is um just a cool area to be in

yeah like straight up you know like if

I'm able on my off weekend to go to you

know Paris and just cruise cruise for

like and just do cool [ __ ] dude like

stay in nice

hotels drink good food or drink some

like espresso sprits in Paris look I'm

down with that you know as as crazy as

as like chicky as that sounds it's

living dude yes it's living my my this

is what my holidays look like mhm fly to

a place get breakfast go back to the

hotel work go get lunch go back to the

hotel go get dinner go to a bar repeat

straight up that's it mhm you know I'm

going to take my hoodie off real yeah uh

but yeah I mean I don't that that to me

that's living that's the that that is 30

and a and a holiday for me you know and

like we're we are blessed in I mean not

so much like Motocross and Supercross as

such but like when you think

about the you know like dude went to

Moto GP at par and uh lemon and we we

drove an hour and a half each way to the

track so we could stay in Paris and do

that exact [ __ ] and like the culturally

you're not eating dinner till 10 p.m.

like everything's a Vibe everyone's

taking over the streets like that [ __ ]

is

dope yeah like I think one hard thing

that us um us Americans have is we're

very stuck in our ways yeah we don't

want to change yeah I'm from California

I don't want to live in Florida because

I love California for what it is you

know it's the culture that I like yeah

um I talk to my my wife about it a lot

but sometimes I'm

like I think my next contract I really

have the opportunity to go to um would

be my last opportunity opportunity to

maybe race in Europe yeah and that's

something that

like I really think that would be cool

to do for the challenge and I think just

personally I think we need to understand

different cultures D I think it's cool

you know um so that's for for us I want

to go there um like me and my wife what

we like to do for fun is like especially

if I'm there bro you know what I'm doing

on the weekends I'm going to cool places

doing cool things and that's just how I

would like to roll you know um I uh like

when we have off time like what am I

doing I'm in a nice hotel in Miami

eating Michelin star restaurants you

know like I'm not like I'm having dope

Sushi yeah exactly but that's because

that's what I like to do you know I like

as far as my car I drive a Prius because

I want to do that stuff yeah you know um

my wife has a nice car but

um yeah like I I I really pick and

choose on what I want to spend my money

on and sometimes it's that stuff it's

really it's it's what I like to do you

know and but back to the point of like

um these bigger Brands being in Moto and

stuff like that I

think um we need to understand the

spotlight that it could put on our sport

that's so true and um I understand that

um results are marketing for us you know

that's just how it's been you know and

that's um sometimes it's hard to change

the the culture you know

because we have Gatekeepers not on the

style side but more on the this is how

you make money this is how you're

supposed to run your business cuz we're

we are a business yeah you're supposed

to win races you make bonuses you go

home you train yeah that's what they

want you to do which is okay cuz they're

paying our bills they're running a

business so we're an investment yeah but

sometimes I think that they don't

understand is that I think they could

make their investment a little bit they

could make their dollar go further yes

mhm and I think if they did stuff that

was sometimes maybe not so

conservative but along the lines of

collabing with with Brands and stuff

like that they would it would go a very

long ways but as you've seen it Honda

did their deal with Supreme crushed it

it was insane yeah you know um but I

still think we only scratched the

surface yeah and maybe I'm complet

completely wrong no Honestly though

you're not like because I thanks for the

reassurance well I'm I'm going to a ton

of different events and you know like

you go to F1 [ __ ] bro Vegas F1 was

insane mhm I was there oh did you go mhm

oh how narly was it like did were you in

were you in Paddock Club what uh did you

go in Paddock Club to be h i I don't

even know where I went all I know is I

was walking everywhere my mother-in-law

handled all that oh that's sick yeah but

like you go into like the padic club

like behind the pits right and it was

just Gordon Ramsey here like [ __ ]

Seline Dion it was will I it was just

like just person after person after and

you just standing I'm [ __ ] walking

around and it's like bro I should not be

here but it's like there's a that comes

with like the investment from the brands

like people those brands are paying for

like the image that's associated with it

it's just like you put a sticker on that

car or a sticker on that guy like you're

cool as [ __ ] and Modo the thing that I

learned from doing this when I started

seeing who was listening and people that

were messaging me and you know you start

to build these relationships over time

with these people I'm like holy [ __ ]

like I had no idea that you would ever

be interested in this and they're like

dude this is the coolest [ __ ] sport

these they're the gnarliest athletes in

the world like they're respect that you

guys have and the people I personally

know who are massive fans of you they

play in completely different worlds to

what you would consider like the average

Supercross fan but there's no

representation there's no like they're

not going to feel like they are can I

guess just like step in there's no like

the did you see the um Mercedes VIP at

F1 yeah bro crazy it was [ __ ] insane

I could not believe it when I walk past

it you know and it's just

like where where we go to 17 dope

stadiums in Capital Cities All Over

America and we have basically zero

activation we have a Strider kids can

ride Striders There's a Monster Energy

dirt jump jam going it's not to [ __ ] on

any of those things but it's like dude

the level of activation the cities that

in like and the sport is so popular

right now like San Diego that crowd was

massive considering it was pissing down

rain all day anahim one full sellout mhm

it's um I always hate this term that

people use is like helping the sport

grow and I don't know if it's

necessarily helping it grow because our

demographic is quite different than that

of F1 so like if you bring in some of

those sponsors the hard part is is I

don't know if our demographic

understands that stuff M

um

but I think we need to honestly not grow

our sport almost change it a little bit

so that those people understand what's

good yeah you know what I'm saying yeah

yeah yeah so I don't know people didn't

know they needed an iPhone until Steve

Jobs showed them that they needed an

iPhone no people don't understand they

need an American Express Lounge they

don't yeah yeah been in one you need it

dude I completely agree like and people

can clown on jet and the fan Zone all

they want I've been there every single

weekend because it's been the nicest

place for me to take my wife and and

hang it Supercross like that's the

reality of it you know it's like bring

that it's like a builder and they will

come mentality you

know I still I think it's cool what

they're doing with the whole fan Zone

and everything needs more of a Vibe

though I

agree it needs to be less buy my merch

it needs to be more here your

orve yeah yeah and uh yeah would you

lock more champagne exactly you know

like it needs to be like that but I I

that's what that's what I'm saying you

know I think it I think they're going to

make great money you know doing what

they do but it's also just step one yeah

you know like you've got to get that's a

new thing theyve got to get

in the door but and I'm sure that over

time it's going to get better you know

mhm it's uh like dud just all events

that you go to realistically nowadays

it's it's insane like F1 unreal you know

um just the fact of the brands that are

involved in it um I think tennis you

know you go to a US Open look look at

all the stuff that's there look at the

people that are showing up and they're

not showing up because they're getting

paid to show up they're showing up cuz

that's the place to be that weekend yeah

and that's what we need yeah people and

they're not going there

like dude does Justin Bieber really

watch every tennis game and know what's

going on with tennis there's there's

just a guy popping off that he saw on

complex you know that posted and it's

like it's like tifo that is probably in

like some like Puma collab with a

high-end brand and he's like that guy's

dope yeah so I'm a fan of him yeah and

then Justin Bieber's there it's like

it's like a chain that that has to

happen yeah but you need the freedom to

make that stuff happen yeah you know and

our demographic you know like it's it's

kind of tough but with like say jet and

danger boy you're getting that younger

demographic of Tik toks yeah which is

actually a benefit I think so too it's

not my era but it's it's a it's a

benefit you know I had a kid come up to

me in in Jets thing and and was like a

11-year-old girl and she was like I've

seen you on Tik Tok I was just like well

we've ented that era but even just the

clothes they're wearing and everything

like that that's what needs to

happen and I uh I hope that they get big

enough to where they kind of get a

muscle there their weight around you

know and they get to change it I would

love to be a part of it but I don't know

if

um I don't know like I have a certain I

obviously have a clock ticking you know

and I think that like I said I I feel

like I'm old but I feel young so I feel

like obviously like personally like I

always want to be cool you know like I

always want to like I always want to be

cool um but I don't I just want to

hopefully be big enough to be able to do

that stuff you know and be a part of

that change a little bit but uh I guess

we'll find out what what else would you

like to see changed in the sport like do

you have even you know like day-to-day

stuff as a racer like what if you had a

magic wand what would you do to

sport

um I think

everything I think the Sport's really

cool okay I think the training's cool I

think everything's cool I think

everything needs to

be

seen um but that's hard because a lot of

people are private because it's a

competition um I think there needs to be

um marketing with more

purpose um I

think that uh they need to see what we

go through but I also think that we need

to make it look fun because every time

you see something it's like oh these

guys are like it's always like our life

is so our life is so miserable you know

and like I said like my life isn't that

miserable it really isn't you know like

I do what I want I eat what I want I get

to have all these nice

things and that needs to be shown but

the hard part is is I I sometimes don't

necessarily like to say like like Flex

because sometimes I feel like that makes

people feel bad about themselves so

personally I have I think that in my

head but I think that's the only way I

think people need to start flexing they

really do and not necessarily be

competing but just they their lifestyle

needs to be

bigger and they need to show it I yeah I

feel that that's that's terrible to say

but it just needs to happen if we want

to be on that next

level you got to do it and another thing

too is like if you go out

whoever you're with show who you're with

you know because I've done I've done a

lot of cool stuff with a lot of cool

people and no one knows yeah but to be

honest for our sport to get bigger you

have to you know man I'm conflicted like

I think the same thing but you but it

it's just it's tough because the people

that that that pay our bills are very

conservative and um results make money

yeah yeah and I think I I fully agree

yeah and you know and I think like jet

buying a [ __ ] Rolls-Royce in birken

stocks and basketball shorts is Iconic

as [ __ ] it and I had so many people like

I got friends in Dubai that they're the

crypto dude like they're literally the

crypto millionaires that like [ __ ]

have yachts and drive every car they

they're those gnarly [ __ ] right

all of them hit me up when jet bought a

Rolls-Royce mhm none of them care about

Motocross or Supercross at all and they

all got interested as soon as they saw

that they were like what the [ __ ] you

can a 20-year-old kid can buy a cinin

right now and I'm like yeah bro he

probably makes 200 grand every time he

[ __ ] wins and then he gets a mill

maybe more every time he wins a

championship and he's want to fuckload

of those like kids caked and his

brothers doing the same [ __ ] yeah and

it's like that is it's unreel relatably

relatable because everyone wants to be

that guy and that's the American dream

in a sense is like you can come here you

can graft you can make something of

yourself and you can provide a [ __ ]

awesome life for your family for your

friends and you can live good that's

what America is about in a sense you

know but I totally agree but it's

so it's like a hard thing

to like I guess almost like accept

because you just know it's going to be

met with so much resistance like wearing

a Rolex right now every time I do the

[ __ ] podcast wearing a Rolex I'm like

are you really that guy the [ __ ] but

guess what like I I put an order in for

this watch knowing it to take two years

to come in and I had no money when I did

it mhm and it became that was a thing

for me you know what I mean and it's

like I still feel [ __ ] weird about

that mhm but I kind of think you're

right it's the

truth I mean just

even even the stuff I've done in the

past it it wouldn't make

sense and honestly if I would have would

it's hard for me to be a little bit

transparent about it because like I've

gone through so many stages in my life

that um you know I've done things that

have been probably not if I would have

been honest about it during the time it

would have been a lot of backlash

you know it it would have and it's not

like my head was in the wrong place but

I was still doing my work you know I

mean I I was living in in 2019 I was

living in West

Hollywood you know like that's not the

right place to be you know it's a fun

place to be it was a fun place to be

yeah it was it really was um you know

it's but like that if I would have told

people that then they would have been

like

it wouldn't have been gone over well at

all

no so that's that's that's the tough

part you know but I mean imagine all

right so let's rewind it back TW what

year 2019 what year did you win your

Championship 18 okay so you you go back

there you're living in West Hollywood

like imagine the I guess like the the

vibe that creates when the dude with the

number one plate is living in West

Hollywood is doing like just in those

circles around those people like that

does create a Vibe and it's like people

that's what people are like the internet

age like people are very vicarious you

know people like want to live through

their Heroes it's and it's if it's done

the right way to it's aspirational like

you never want to

be the dude that's like just flexing

like Floyd Mayweather [ __ ] like it's

it's corny but even that is like would

people care to watch Floyd Mayweather

fight if he wasn't flexing all of that

money The Money Team it's the M yeah and

it's like that that brings people along

for the right Conor McGregor with the

Lamborghini yacht and the it's like it

is part of your brand and like I got

friends the the friends in Dubai right

they one of them just bought a Urus he's

like this would just be really good for

my Instagram yeah it's like [ __ ]

$400,000 car and his whole motivation

was just like oh yeah dude like I'll

make this back off my Instagram you and

he did you know so it's like it's a it's

a weird part of the world I still feel

conflicted about it but like that [ __ ]

does help you know I feel like that's

one thing like props to jet in a in a

sense for not I guess giving a [ __ ] on

that front and I I feel like they're not

super flexy though like I I feel like

they don't go crazy hard with that but I

mean like good on him for doing that

[ __ ] like some people people would never

have a photo like that out and some

people would never post the stories

driving the Ferraris or whatever but

it's like no one gave them that [ __ ]

yeah they had to [ __ ] work and buy it

no one just you didn't get given the

apartment in West Hollywood for free

like you [ __ ] earned that [ __ ] yeah

it was actually really it honestly

sometimes like those are the stupid

money moves that I've done I didn't lose

money but did you buy or you were just

renting no I I I paid like 3 and a half

million for a crib in

there I was like I was living

it I [ __ ] love that but at the time I

was super like like kind of conflicted

on even where my career was going as

crazy as that sounds you know when you

do that when you win championship you're

in that situation um we're human you

know but um yeah I think that that type

of stuff is going to sell yeah you know

uh

I also think it comes with a person who

has the confidence to be just like kind

of like [ __ ] you yeah this is what I'm

doing like [ __ ]

you yeah oh you're a maretta well [ __ ]

you I'm right

here and um I don't I was nervous to do

that you know yeah so like I get it but

then at the same time I feel like that

could bite you in the ass really bad um

cuz our Sport's so gnarly yeah I

mean as like say UFC and stuff like that

the guys who have money yeah they Flex

it but I think UFC is gnarly but they

training before it is only a stint yeah

for one fight yeah yeah it's like we're

maintaining 31 weekends a year yeah and

we destroy our bodies you know we're

doing blood work to make sure our bodies

can

sustain when you're there and you're

around those people it is the truth that

it is it's not the best for you yeah you

know you go out drinking and it's just

it's poison for your body bro I won't

drink at all these days because I don't

want to [ __ ] up my sleep cuz I wear my

garment every single night and I look at

that sleep scast thing when I wake up

same I'm old bro yeah I'm I'm like maybe

drinking twice a year at this point you

know but um it's just it it it's not a

it's not a lifestyle you can sustain but

it's a lifestyle that you can sell yeah

yeah no I I completely agree I think I

think Hayden's going to be the guy I

feel like I said to him at at La I was

like wa if you win tonight please go buy

a sick watch it's like your dunks are

cool but that shit's [ __ ] lame okay

like if you're actually collecting dunks

and you think that you've got a

collection you don't get some Watchers

yeah like get make some big boy moves

buy some dope watches a good investment

but B that's way more of a fle than than

some shoes so let's get you in line for

a rolly as soon as you get this [ __ ]

done shoes sometimes will depending on

the size will have some upale value

though but watches are cool I don't have

any watches yeah you never you never

bought watches M never been into watches

really mm I'd say like yeah for the most

part like homes and clothes yeah mhm I

bought really big homes

and spent some money on clothes yeah but

you wouldn't even notice it though yeah

like the way the I don't think that like

even the stuff that I wear like even if

you saw me walking through the pits you

wouldn't even it's not it's just the

same stuff that I would always wear yeah

but um yeah it's honestly and then a lot

of a lot spent a lot of money on just

having fun yeah just experiences yeah

it's yeah

it's I don't even know if I would like

to like sometimes I feel like you could

do like a tell all you know but then I'm

like it's like it's in the past yeah but

I will say like right now I think um

just even the just the lifestyle I live

and everything like that I uh it's it's

pretty fun yeah and you've earned it

dude mhm that's my point to all of it

you know like you could just never be

mad at at least for me like I had some I

I won't say who it was I had someone

that sent me a message that was reacting

to the situation with you J and then

they mentioned the was like the perfect

season got people pissed off and this

and this and then then the Rolls-Royce

and I was like look if you're [ __ ]

hating on someone for something they

bought with money they earned mhm you're

[ __ ] loser yeah you're a loser and

that sucks to for maybe someone to hear

that but like you should actually look

at yourself in the mirror and be like

that dude worked his [ __ ] ass off for

for his entire life to buy that thing

that's his money he earned it no one

gave it to him buy what you want and own

it cuz I was actually I was listening to

a thing with Israel

arisna he bought a McLaren after he won

his first title fight and he was driving

he drove it to the gym one day and one

of the people in his camp like literally

made a shitty comment about the McLaren

and he was like that Twisted me up worse

than anything I've ever been through

like comment was on the internet media

Journal anything he said like that

comment there [ __ ] me up and he said

he didn't drive it for like 3 months I'm

like that is heartbreaking you know

because it's like you you bleed for [ __ ]

and sometimes like like the [ __ ] my

watch man it was like I was in Melbourne

there was a [ __ ] Rolex store right

across the road I knew it was a 2-year

waight I was broke as [ __ ] and I was

like I'm giving myself to and it's it's

not a it's not a big deal but like that

to me like it meant something I work for

it the guy called me and I had

like just enough in the I thought I was

going to basically have to like tell

this dude like oh I'm sorry I can't

afford it I ended up making it happened

but it was like that was a [ __ ] big

deal you know and it's like to have any

kind of

feelings go the like in a negative way

because of that like that [ __ ] sucks

like when you you work for that [ __ ] mhm

yeah I agree it's

uh dude it's just it's a tough thing

just like um I would say just in society

right now is if you do Flex it you feel

like people are going to feel bad about

themselves or whatever but you for me

everything that I have no one's giving

up as much as me you know what I'm

saying in the in the grand scheme of

things like yeah maybe I went there and

I was an idiot for a little bit but when

I was there I was still up at 5:00 in

the morning M training you know it's not

like I was not doing what I needed to do

yeah I was doing having fun but like

there's not a day that went by that I

woke up with the purpose of not trying

to be better at what I do M you know and

I I know for every kid that is racing

right now they're everyone's given up

everything that they have and they've

done it since they were s years old yeah

so anything that any anything that they

want to buy with their money or whatever

that's up to them those every [ __ ] I

race has worked hard for what they got

yeah so it's uh a lot of people say that

we're spoiled you know and I always I'm

like dude I hate to say this you

couldn't live a day in my shoes you

couldn't yeah like the mental the mental

capacity that it takes to do what we do

like sometimes I come home and um my

wife's trying to have a convers ation

with me and I'm I'm trying so hard to

get out of my problem solving brain when

I'm at the track yeah you know and it's

so unfair to

her and people don't see that you know

they don't see actually the mental

strain that we go through on a everyday

basis and I know like all those kids

that are coming up it's it's getting

worse now because you got so many

opinions from everywhere so you're

adding all of this dude when I went pro

you didn't have social media I thought

Instagram was a photo editing

app it's the only reason I downloaded it

you know you was trying to just Chuck

some CP on that [ __ ] yeah I was trying

to just throw up the contrast a little

bit but like that's that I didn't start

and I would say about like

2020 20 19 is when it got toxic and I

say right now for a kid coming up making

mistakes like jet letting their

character

break it's tough on them yeah oh yeah

dude I completely agree and it's like

it's it's one of those things that it

sort of is it is like a ego death you

kind of go through in a sense like I've

had a couple doing this yeah like heavy

mhm where I would just had the you

delete your Instagram app I've never

done that oh the I've never deleted my

account I delete my Instagram no you

don't delete your account that's that's

crazy no no no the the app goes a lot of

times but uh yeah just some comments hit

and I'm like [ __ ] they're right know

they're fully right they fully nailed it

and you just get you have to stare

yourself in the face and be completely

honest with how much of a [ __ ] loser

you wear you know and like that's jet

would be having that week of just

looking at himself through the lens of

[ __ ] 5,000 people that commented and

but it's like a blessing and a curse in

a sense because like you get to adjust

in real time like you if you take it on

the right way like like someone might

have been listened to this that when I

said if you think like that you're a

loser yeah they just might not have ever

had the perspective

like you could see that as a a negative

and make it feel bad about themselves

but on the exact same side of the

opposite side of that coin you can go

like damn I could have that too I'm not

going to be in my case I was never going

to be a professional motocross racer but

I can be inspired by those people to

work my [ __ ] ass off every single day

and I can find my thing and I can get my

bag and I can reach my potential there's

a in for every negative feeling that you

could have it's there's a flip side

positive if you're willing to find it

it's just to be honest everything's in

your head and you determine your future

with I think your thoughts yeah and um I

think a big hard thing in our sport is

um a lot of people feel like some guys

have

opportunities that is unfair and they're

like well if I had that opportunity i'

do that I'm like you got to change your

mindset from that that's so true you

can't do that like to be honest I've had

every tool to be multiple time Champion

I just haven't been able to bring it out

of myself and I was only able to do it

once so far you know but that doesn't

mean that because this person had this

that they were able to do it

easier they were just

better yeah they were just better yeah

and but I'm sitting here I know I have

two legs two arms my brains somewhat

intact and I know

that I still have it in me

to ride as fast as those guys and if I

can do that and I figure out how to put

it together I could still be a champion

you know and I if you're qualifying P1

you have it yeah dude that's what I'm

saying you know and and people just need

to change the way they think about it

and I understand like say even like

danger boy people say because of his dad

and stuff like that it's just annoying

I'm like that kid is gritty bro he's a

psycho he he is yeah in the best in the

way you need to be a psycho that kid's a

so he's going to get what he wants and

sometimes maybe his mentality bites him

in the ass but for the most part when it

bites him in the ass and he comes back

digging even harder that is something

that no one else has you know it's just

something no one else has and even the

people that are complaining about him

sorry you don't have that yeah he has

has that yeah maybe his upbringing or

the way his dad raised him maybe it

helped a little bit but it's not the

things that his dad gave him yeah no for

sure because again there's two sides to

every coin yeah that kid that is out

there being an absolute psychopath right

now is the exact same he could have just

as easily been a lazy piece of [ __ ]

Brian's going to love his kid no matter

what whether he wants to

try yeah he's like I don't if he didn't

want to do [ __ ] he didn't have to do

[ __ ] he could be playing fortnite buying

shoes online and [ __ ] Snapchatting

chicks all day long and he would have a

really great life with everything paid

for him but instead he gets up and he

puts on his running shoes and he grinds

it out you know and even like Brian said

it's one of the best things that's ever

been said on the podcast is like well if

your dad wasn't such a [ __ ] [ __ ] you

could have all this [ __ ]

too that dude bled for it mhm no what

they he did crazy [ __ ] to get what he

has and you just can't hate on any of it

you can not agree with their approach to

things you could not want to have a

camera around you your entire life like

that's all fine 100% but you could never

take away the [ __ ] that they did to get

what they got mhm and Hayden full Square

in that category too you know 100% it's

it's just is what it is and I think

people like that bother me because I'm

like your mindsets whack

whack it's and like there's probably

dudes on the start line heavily affected

by that [ __ ] I just don't have enough

time to go around to these Instagram

armies and just comment whack whack

whack dude that's what when I saw ful

and [ __ ] on your post I just I commented

I wrote how did you wind up taking the

biggest L out of this

situation I'm like dude come on we can't

be doing that I

know I think Degan could be the kid that

that does the I think well Jets flexing

but I feel like Degan could really like

he won't give a [ __ ] he have you have

you ever been to their house in Tula a

long time ago that's where that kid grew

up MH his life was a flex from day one

he ain't going to feel bad about that

[ __ ] M yeah

it's to be honest the hard part is they

got to stay with doing what they're

doing M they got to

flex and that if they're going to start

hanging out with people they got to

understand that that's not their life

but they can hang out out with

them and not do what they're doing but

still just hang out with them and be

there yeah is that the lessons you

learned in La

what that

you that you can be around the people

but you you can't do what the people are

doing yeah I've been I've been in those

situations yep it is it is

um yeah I mean I'm I made it

out um

it's just you're a young kid you don't

get to do those opportunities because

you're busy grinding figuring out what

you want to do and then you get put in

those situations and you know it's a

sink or swim thing because it could

easily be very toxic or you could Flex

it you can make more money yeah and

figure out how to use it to your

advantage and I think that's what um

will separate you know top dogs you know

especially in media marketing all that

stuff you know I think that's um

something that'll keep

them making some bread that's for sure

making some money yeah who who else do

you see like do we have anyone coming up

like other than digs and Jet like do you

think it's going to in the next like

let's say five years it's just going to

be those two those two boys or do you

see anyone

else cuz it's hard to have Superstars

man it's tough because it's because um I

think that this style of people that are

like in those

circles are not what we breed you know

it's it's tough danger boy grew up in

Tula he's bred that way yeah he is jet

he

just I think he has missed opportunities

if I'm being honest in what in what way

just

um I think in in the sense of like I I

think that they are going to stay very

core in their Circle you know I think

they're going to stay very core in their

Circle and I think that the only people

that he's ever going to be around as Red

Bull athletes yeah you know he might be

around you know Max for stappen yeah Max

is playing [ __ ] Sim on his plane yeah

but that's that's their their Circle you

know I don't think it's going to Marquez

you know what I'm saying like that's

like that's as far as they're going to

go outside their Circle Honda athletes

and Red Bull athletes yeah I think

danger boy is going to be a person who's

like popping out and doing

like it might be you know it'd be funny

if he got in trouble yeah it would be he

could handle it too you know like I

think that there's definitely two

there's like personality types that can

handle certain things and there's some

like just dude I'm a [ __ ] Stan of

Hayden and I'll just say it like just

the

he's kind of that guy so I feel like you

could throw anything at that kid and

he's bouncing back from it like he could

get in trouble and be cool I I think he

could get caught with a bag in his

pocket or

something my cut that bit

it could

happen yeah I honestly I'm like that

type of stuff would be funny that would

end him that one but if he got caught

like I don't know if this could go in

there but like I hate to say it but like

a DUI yeah like a funny

one funny DUI you know what I'm saying

like there's this video of Marshon Lynch

where he's like drunk in his car and the

cop tells him to get out and he's just

[ __ ] up and he's like bunny though and

Marshon Lynch bounc back you know what

I'm saying Antonio Brown bounced back

but he's just [ __ ] it up way too much

now oh yeah he went way deep but that's

the stuff Kobe [ __ ] up Mike Tyson they

[ __ ] it all up but they bounced back

but our sport wouldn't allow them to

bounce back yeah but I I mean I think

about this right like let's say I said

some [ __ ] up [ __ ] and got cancelled

mhm I can unlock that door

and I can sit here across from someone

else and I can talk and then I can put

it on the like what is it what is it

what is getting cancelled what what

stops you from coming back like is there

anything that stops you from coming

back I don't I I think you could keep

posting YouTube videos that's what I'm

saying I think you can keep posting

YouTube videos um yeah I don't know no

one in our Sports gotten canceled yet no

I mean JLo he's not cancelable but he's

still that like he could come back yeah

I mean he's weirdly

diplomatic he is like in his in his

arguments and stuff like that like it's

it's weird to me like sometimes how like

he will be kind of the voice of reason

and you're

like you would think that's not him but

it's kind of him and it's kind of like

you understand like it you know but

you're like okay you're not you're a

wild card but you're diplomatic but

you're not talking to people but you're

witty speaking on everything speaking on

everything but like very witty with it

you know oh he's a smart [ __ ]

the craziest or the smartest has have

you been around him much just when I was

younger like I would I would see him

here and there but I don't know I don't

know Jason like at at all you know um he

will hit me up on Instagram randomly but

I uh I'm not the best at replying on

Instagram or anything like that so um

but I've always thought he was cool I

always like supported his what his style

and what he brought yeah um and he was

that yeah what we're talking about

yeah and he was a star bro a star I just

don't think it was sustainable yeah he

was he was like really living it you

know what I mean and it's like but he

wasn't living it in the sense of like

buying nice things or buying cars was

going [ __ ] hard yeah like he was

going hard as it gets and it's like

that's not sustainable partying every

now and again [ __ ] some Runway chicks

and posting about it or getting a DI

falling asleep at a steering wheel in

your driveway like yeah that there's

definitely it could it could creates a

MH you know it it creates like a

Redemption Arc too yeah you know like

and people people will hate you in the

moment that it happens but they're going

to cheer for you when you turn your life

back around because everyone can relate

like everyone's [ __ ] up in their life

like not a lot of people just [ __ ] up on

the scale and on camera the hard part is

we have to project that we have a

perfect life all the time you you have

to project that you have everything

together you have to um because as soon

as you don't project that it's like uh

it's a risk of investment for

your sponsors yeah you know what I'm

saying and that's something that is a

bad look and then next thing you know

everyone in the team is talking about

like yeah like he he's like maybe

focusing on the wrong things or things

like that so it's um it's hard to

maintain both and uh so we have to act

like we have a perfect life do you think

of that no one's perfect though no we

all got [ __ ] going on and we all have

demons that we fight and we all deep

down inside want to [ __ ] off you know we

do and but we're we're not allowed to so

that's where um it's it's kind of tough

and do you ever think about your

competitors in that sense like cuz I

think from the outside looking in people

would think like you don't want to give

anything away to your competitors like

how so like show vulnerability or show

like the Nots perfect life I think a lot

of people on the ourside would be like

oh yeah but he would never want Chase

ston to know that he's had a bad day but

like I just don't know that that really

crosses your mind as much as it's like

the sponsors and like the people paying

the bills essentially like that's the

people who you care about the people I

race I don't care they think by any

means I think people think you would

though like I wouldn't want to give him

any the people paying my bills though I

respect them I do

um and I think that's why they respect

me you know

so yeah I don't want them to

think uh that anything is I'm if I'm

having a bad day there's a reason for it

and I'll tell them the reason you know

if I'm having a bad day and I see Chase

or something and they annoy me I'll tell

you tell them to [ __ ] off you know but I

don't give a [ __ ] what they think

I I genuinely think that that's the

thing people think you guys are thinking

about but I I don't ever see it and at

the end of the day I just don't think

that there's like like the results on

the weekend are almost already written

like what's going to happen at A2 has

might as well have already happened

you're you he's him he's him like the

bikes the it doesn't factor in as much

as what I think people would think it

does yeah

it's some I

mean the beginning of this season is a

little different than I expected it to

be as far as even just the Front

Runners like I wouldn't have expected AP

to win round three you know I wouldn't

have expected the

mud yeah um so I I think when you have

dry tracks I think I don't think people

had me being second at Anaheim 1 yeah

um but to be honest I think that uh I

think it just once you get to like round

five six it is what it is yeah it's

written yeah you have the guys that are

it and the guys that aren't it and I

think when people think what we really

care about it's more internal and we're

thinking about ourselves more than we're

thinking about what anyone else is doing

and all of us all of us I guarantee you

are

self-conscious 100% yeah and if you

aren't you're crazy and the reason we're

nervous is for

failure you know but I think if you

understand that that's just an emotion

it's just an emotion it's not doesn't

really mean anything you know so I think

that what people think we think about is

not anywhere close to what we think

about sometimes we're

scared it's the truth you know like

sometimes I think a lot of guys are

scared what what do you think is is the

scariest

thing um

faia failures before injury yeah injury

is the worst injury second okay failures

first yeah injury you don't give a [ __ ]

about until it happens yes mhm yeah um

failure is always on your mind hurts

your

ego um but then you get older and you do

get this understanding and you have

enough data that shows that as long as

you keep pushing and you keep working

hard that success will come because

luckily I'm a person of talent that has

always had success breakthrough MH

because of hard work so I've never

stressed it yeah so I've stressed

failure on that night but I

know one out of or out of four rounds

I'm a podium one of them you know and I

know that I'm confident that that's me

you know and I'm confident that I'm

going to qualify PE wanton a certain

amount of nights and I'm going to have

tracks where I'm definitely going to be

fighting for a win you know and I know

that if I keep working hard some Seasons

I'm going to be on a on a on a sick one

and I'm going to be able to like knock

off some wins yeah and I believe I'll be

that person till I'm 33 yeah that's the

number in my head yeah but then even

after that I still want to keep racing

riding and I don't want to stop I think

I've been thinking about this more and

more lately right because as far as my

life goes I'm about as

objectively happy as I think I could be

you know like I'm I don't want anything

right now which is that's a weird place

to be in life in a

sense but in those moments where I'm

living a life that I love and I don't

necessarily want anything I'm not happy

all the time like you just you I'll be

just sitting inter and internally I'm

I'm not just like this happy gol lucky

you know and then you can like you can

let it's those in between moments in

your life that like that's where the

internal the doubt the

self-consciousness all that [ __ ] comes

in but it's like literally going back to

what you said of just like there's a

process like I have been this guy I've I

have these patterns over this time scale

and it's like the most cliche thing to

say but it's like you just trust the

process and it's like and then if you

can catch yourself in those moments of

doubt and those moments of insecurity

and like pull back and do exactly what

you said like that I love the way you

said that it's like I'm going to podium

one of one out of four races this the

historically this has happened it's data

you know and it's like if if you can

catch yourself in the moment whenever

that [ __ ] even when you're living the

[ __ ] best version of your life that

you've ever lived it's not it's not

guaranteed that you're never going to

have those thoughts or you're not going

to have to deal with that [ __ ] but it's

like it's going to the data like you

said that can kind of bring you out of

that mhm and honestly I'm big on that

and I think that's a big reason that I

feel like I'm a big asset to a lot of

these Brands is because I feel like as

far as data goes I'm actually [ __ ]

very that's

all me to do um that's where I have to

see to do sometimes and it's pretty

simple for me to do if I see someone hit

a quad I'll do it next lap it's not even

like well dude La was the perfect

example yeah I did the same thing there

I saw someone do it and I did it [ __ ]

that jump though really you just in your

head you think of the error yeah but um

but like like you talk about like being

like happy in life you know it's it's

crazy because like when you're in the

moment moments of going through a lot of

the stuff that we go through like on

race day and stuff like that you're not

happy no but you need it for

fulfillment and my happiest days are

Sundays and to have my Sundays be as

happy as they are I need the stress on

Saturdays and then that seems weird n

yeah yeah and it almost makes that

peaceful Sunday be that much better yeah

you know so like whenever I'm on Sunday

I like to wake up cruise we go get

coffee we go grab breakfast we come home

[ __ ] around hang out do whatever we

do

maybe just get the munchies just chill

and watch the TV or you know we get

dinner plans and then I feel like when I

wake up on Monday morning the chaos

starts again yeah it's time to

gohm but I always think there's

something in that in life it's like how

good does your bed feel when you have

the shittiest flying day it's 24 hours

you're supposed to be home like 12 hours

ago but when you get in bed how good do

you sleep and everything like it's

insane and I think you need I think you

need that to have those moments yeah you

know and then I think you also need the

shitty nights to appreciate what the

good nights are yeah lucky for me I've

had good nights to give me the data

that I know the all the shitty nights

that I'm going through that I could keep

striving that's so true I could keep

striving and I know that it's going to

come out the other

side and in our sport not many people

have that yeah and I'm one of those guys

that's been able to have it for 15 years

yeah and that's that's a good feeling

but I still am greedy and want more you

know but it's just yeah I think there's

some something that I I started feeling

a few years ago where the thing to chase

in your life is is like relief mhm I

think

relief

is the thing that you think you're

getting of with happiness like you think

you're happy but you're relieved like

I'm bet when you won your Championship

you just felt the [ __ ] weight of the

world lift off your shoulders you were

just

like oh it's

yeah that's what people want people want

the relief and the relief that you get

is directly

proportionate to the the risk that

you'll take on or the task that you'll

take on like how big how accountable can

you be to this goal or to this person or

to this marriage or to like whatever

like how much accountability and

responsibility you're going to take on

and when you're a 450 rider that's going

against the best dudes in the world to

win this the championship like you have

to do so much but what does that come

with relief when it's done but that

weight on your

shoulders is something that our

generation has been able to adapt to and

handle it more and I don't think that I

think that that weight is something that

like RV or those guys got to a point to

where it kind of broke them even though

they were winning they

couldn't they couldn't stand the fact of

that weight a lot you know and sometimes

I think you have to I don't even know

how you get through it because I'd say

my most miserable years or 26 27

28 easy for my career I hated it and

which years ages 26 27 ages yeah yeah

yeah I didn't I hated it I think you

dude Honestly though like I think your

brain changes at like 2930 like I think

you just change as a person yeah the I I

I

don't I think my life changed a little

bit um I

think I met my wife

um and yeah I I do think your brain

changes you know um but again that's

probably with more data though too right

yeah yeah it

it it's

um you start when you get older I think

you make things more simple MH you know

um and you learn to take the bad days

way less bad M you know like in San

Francisco had the had a terrible night

went over the bars in the first Corner

that was hectic it was insane dude I

didn't even know what the I didn't even

know what the [ __ ] happened

but then after the race I just I work

with Rock but I have a new guy that's

helping me out his name's uh John

wesling yeah um and he was tripping

because like after the race we just went

and like hung out at the like hotel

lobby just chilled but I have stopped

carrying that weight on my shoulders

after that and he has only worked with

guys that have carried that weight on

their shoulders non-stop you know and

I'm not I haven't always been like that

yeah you know but I think as I get older

what can you do yeah what can you it's

done yeah you know you know I'm chilling

with my daughter my wife

homies that's all you got yeah in that

moment the race don't [ __ ] matter the

chicken wings

do but it's like it's paradoxical in the

sense

that you give that vibe that it's done

it sends the opposite message like you

don't give a [ __ ] yeah and so but I do I

look at so Christian Craig I've said it

before so I like feel fine to say it

again now but like I look at Christian

Craig and like even talking to him doing

the podcast like watching his Vlogs like

all that [ __ ] I'm like

bro you're trying to send the message

that you care that you suck tonight and

it's this cycle that you then start like

it's like thinking and feeling and

thinking and feeling and you just you

end up being on the ride and it's like

you're you're projecting this upset

pissed off I'm so disappointed I'm so

sorry go I know I got and it's like

you're doing that to show that you care

you don't have to but yeah like it's all

good like you're and it there's like I

think about everything in life as like

what's the point of diminishing returns

where does caring start to do the

opposite to what I want it to do well

like you said like you um what you think

we care about other writers opinions

when you care about

like your bosses you know um I care

about my results but if they're bad you

know I do um but I have been in a place

to where

you it's almost I've seen people have an

act M yeah yeah you know to where

they're like like it's almost like they

got to sell themselves and it's not true

honest feeling m and I've been miserable

after the race because it's true honest

feeling and it's actually miserable yeah

you know yeah um and then let's just say

when I was working with Bobby I was too

honest to to a fault to where like

sometimes if I didn't give a [ __ ] I

actually didn't give a [ __ ] you know I

get 13th and I didn't give a [ __ ] you

know and he would almost he'd be like

frustrated like why don't you give a

[ __ ] yeah I was like I don't know I just

don't

I feel like he'll respect you forever

for that though just ups and downs that

he saw me go through you know like on

what I actually cared about in life at

that time and it wasn't that night yeah

it wasn't but I'd be on the podium

within four rounds yeah you

know just hold that thought bro just

give but at that time it wasn't okay to

be on the podium once every then you

know yeah it was it was you know and

it's not okay right now you know I just

know that if I am going through a hard

time that that is and sometimes there's

stuff that's out of your control that is

a hard time too you know like it's not

like it's always your decision to be

going through some [ __ ] like right now

if I'm not on the podium I don't see the

night as a success yeah but I'm not

going to carry the weight on my

shoulders

yeah and that's how I am every single

time I go out and race yeah um so it's

not like I'm like a one out of four

races like yeah as long as one of them

hits we

good

um I want to be on on the podium every

weekend you know I feel like I'm capable

of doing that well and yeah like the UT

you can be like you're one of those guys

yeah I've had multiple years where I've

had streaks like that you know um but

some of those years when I really didn't

care you know and I like as long as it's

like one out of four I'd be cool with it

yeah that was tough for him to see

because he saw me going from not being

okay with it to being okay with it yeah

and then i' I've brought it back around

and I found like some sort of different

love for what I do in that sense to want

to be be there every single weekend yeah

but proba for like the right reasons now

MH yeah I'd say it's for the right

reasons I think before I really like

wanted the success to under see if I

really loved the success yeah I think

when I was wanting to win a West Coast

championship I really wanted to feel if

I it was hard on me but I really wanted

to feel like if see if I enjoyed the

attention of being the guy I I wanted to

see if I liked it and I didn't

necessarily like it but then I was like

well next level let's see if we like the

next level and then I wanted to see if I

liked it and I felt more empty than

anything you know so then then after

that I I was like it was years of being

with Bobby to where it was like my

honest emotion was like I'm here doing

what my contract says is to erase you

know and that was it was I felt bad for

him in that sense because he saw me you

know be so motivated and be so driven to

doing the work but kind of going through

the motions a little bit but now I'm so

much different you know but it's almost

like I've like recovered from trauma you

dude for sure like it is [ __ ]

traumatic like the stuff that you guys

have to go through and I mean the press

conference at Anaheim you know when you

were saying like yeah the bike was I was

struggling with the bike I had a kid I

had a wife I had like all this new [ __ ]

going on and it's like do I want to die

today in the whoops in [ __ ] Corona

like no I can't put that stress on her

that's how it was you know but I still

had to do my job so I had to had like

these like like an angel and a devil on

your shoulders like send the wops you

know what I'm saying let off your wife's

pregnant you know like what the [ __ ] am

I supposed to like those are just normal

human thoughts yeah yeah and I will say

even last year for how terrible it went

I applied myself every single day you

know even I broke my neck at Nashville I

did 230s on Tuesday and my and then I

realized that it was I was it was

hurting and then I went to the hospital

and that's what happened you know but

like that's like I was that's how in it

you were yeah even though I I was having

a hard time just because I had so much

my mental capacity was completely full

yeah it's it was it was tough you know

and then it was

just a life-changing experience that was

amazing on one end and super tough on

the other end

yeah I

mean h having my daughter on a

Thursday and then having two hours of

sleep hopping on a plane and it's just

it's an emot

oh bro draining thing that you would

have felt empty yeah and I felt very

guilty

leaving um and I had to go do a job it's

just it's just tough yeah yeah what did

you learn from that year

though that my second kid is going to be

born in September October November or

December we [ __ ]

ined so that's that's one thing I

learned to be honest

I learned basically like like I was

saying like obviously I had to race my

my daughter was being born it was mental

it was just tough on me more so than

anything and I

think one thing I learned is for the

first time in my life that my family was

first before my career yeah that was

probably it

and I think over the years even just

like my family from my side has

definitely

understood

that this is all yeah you know and

they're cool with it because I was

following my dream yeah yeah but with

that situation for sure I think that's

what I the biggest thing I learned you

know is that when worse comes to

worse that's that's a 100y year plan you

know not

the 35 year plan yeah yeah it's funny I

was talking to a friend the other day

he's a racer and he was like he's had

some tough years and he's like gone

through this process now and I was like

you know how's it all going blah blah

blah he's like man I'm [ __ ] loving it

like I found the love I found the groove

I'm like I'm in and I was like dude it's

sick the position you're in right now

because you've got this free P to just

be like the most selfish person like

everyone backs you your parents wife

everyone's just like dude it's you this

is about you like do your thing like

this is this is your time and it's like

I think when you're talking about

sometimes like a guy like RV or dunge or

whatever like they don't

know they don't have that perspective in

the moment that it's like there's only

you've got this free pass to be the

world's most selfish person and people

are going to like celebrate your

selfishness you can come off the track

and tell everyone [ __ ] you and they'll

smile at you yeah and everyone's going

to be that's not a lie yeah no if you

win you can go up to everyone and just

be like [ __ ]

you and then they'll be like good job

like cool man sweet yeah but that like

I'm you go through the change of you

have a daughter and that's just ain't

how it is like you have to be a

different you have to go into a

completely different mode for that

person yeah I think that that

was a thought that I had but not an

actual realization that that was

reality does that make sense and then

when you feel it that you that your body

and your brain is like nah like you're

stressed about them while you're writing

like that's that's the thing and the

hardest part is we still have to be

selfish even though I'm still racing and

stuff like that yeah is just making the

making my wife I feel it you know that

she is kind of

like waiting for my reply and I'll be

like then I'll be scrambling I'll be

like what

John do the same [ __ ]

bro and my mind's just

like uh yeah that that looks

great but I do she is number one you

know but I'm like those times she's like

you [ __ ] [ __ ] dude yeah you know

and it's got to be

frustrating you know yeah so um and

that's where I think though like that's

where picking the right person comes

into play you know to have a person that

can understand like it yeah they're

everyone's going to get shitty in the

moment but like as soon as you zoom out

big picture they're like [ __ ] I get it

you know yeah so that's it's kind of

it's funny but it's serious but it's

just you know it's it's just

reality it's I guess being

married I do it honestly I watch have

you ever seen This is 40 the movie the

movie oh who's in it um Jude AO is the

director but it's um [ __ ] I feel like

I've seen it you know Knocked Up have

you seen knocked up you know the family

that's in knocked up that the girl uh

Katherine hle lives with yeah it's like

them the whole family but this is 40

yeah they're coming out with one this is

50 but like when I watch This Is 40 I'm

like that's that's I get it

now it's so funny to me but it's uh yeah

it's just yeah growing up and and going

through what I've gone through than

being where I'm at right now next thing

you know I'm going to have a family I'm

going to have a daughter um I'm going to

hopefully have a second kid and that's

going to

be I think that part of my life for

myself is some people's reality it's

going to be a very serious you know like

I got to make have a job to get through

to make money for my

family and support them to go to school

and for

me I did the ground work yeah and now

this shit's going to be

funny and that's honestly like I always

think of a YouTube channel my YouTube

channel is starting when my daughter's

like four or five and that shit's going

to be

funny that's what I can't wait for it's

going to be that's that those are the

times that I'm like when I retire that I

think is going to be I think uh yeah I

think my my social media might pop off a

little more dude I'm here for it I know

so it's it's going to it's going to be

cool like I I even think like when I'm

done and I want to like go make videos

or do something like with that um I'm

hoping that I could always talk my

daughter into like filming it for me you

know like even if we go I even if okay I

ride Kawasaki but electric Vibes coming

out and I'm like if we go behind the

house I'll be like I'll be like Siggy

come

on film daddy

be or even like dude she's growing up

and we'll be like a little Cooking

Channel with her like whipping up some

like CRA like really nice mac and cheese

or like something like that you know um

I think it'd be fun to do like videos

like that and make content around stuff

like that it'd be fun yeah you're you're

a dude that I think it's one of the

reasons why a lot of people gravitate

towards you is like even without saying

it I think people just get it that

you're like a you're like a product of

the internet you know what I mean like

we grew up we grew up with like the pure

internet before social media with it my

top eight yeah yeah yeah like we a napar

like just the hustle to get on Lime Wire

yeah dude for sure like just watching

the back of a Crusty Demons or steel

Roots video pausing the thing riding

down the like we we're all kids of that

generation you know like and I feel it's

such a like a box to you know you had

like before that which was our parents

and like you know dudes in their 40s and

50s yeah then we had that and then you

have the Tik Tok generation so like we

fit squarely in this awesome era of the

internet I believe our era has um the

most flavor for sure um and I know I'm

in it so I I'm probably a little biased

yeah but um that's what I think

sometimes misses from our sport is uh

flavor yeah um I think it's a weird way

to put it but I'm I'm like the 9s was so

cool because they had so much Freedom

you know they could run whatever painted

helmet they wanted now we're in an era

of like very which trust me I've made

million dollars off of this era yeah

running an energy drink sponsor yeah

it's perfectly okay with me

but it takes away from the Flavor yeah

it does yeah you know um and I think

uh sometimes it just is like try to be

cool it's not just cool just not just be

cool yeah just be cool yeah yeah no I

get it so that's um that's where I think

we're at right now it's a lot of trying

yeah and I think it needs to go back to

like just be you yeah because if you

think about it in the 90s or even early

2000s and stuff like that I think people

were just them yeah you know and now

it's like when you watch a vlog or

something that's what I I really hated

it sometimes being on camera because I

feel like I put on a character and I

hear my voice change and then it drives

me nuts in my head and I wish that I was

sometimes more comfortable just being me

because being when I see people just be

them it is one of the best people I

think that I've ever met that can be on

camera and be them themselves all the

time is Dean I knew you were going to

say it he is yeah he's a person that a

fan can come up to and feel

automatically engaged yeah off the rip

because he's him yeah and for me it

takes two maybe like one to two days to

really hang out with me to be able to

get to know me yeah and me give you what

is

like like funny you know like an

enjoyable person you know and at the

beginning it's like it's like a script

it's like small talk and stuff like that

so um but I think if our sport could

figure out how to bring that out of

people and be able to do that even with

like gear and everything like that it

would be it would be cooler yeah yeah

and I I think it's all about the

examples you know like if you look at

who who did you look up to it was Ricky

it was Chad it was James you know in

terms of like maybe not look up to but

who are the role models in the sport

like who were the dudes that you then

had to like replace and it's just it it

got it got watered down and then it was

like everyone was saying the same thing

and then it's like that then becomes the

expectation and then it becomes the

culture you know like and culture is so

underrated like all of this is all like

this cultural thing and you want to say

like this is Modo this is the

demographic this is this it's like over

time it's just like clay that's been

molded and and it's like like it can be

remolded but it just I'm saying it's

like a slow process and you need certain

people to start doing it I don't think

people need to grow the sport I think it

needs to be

changed to then attract more other

demographics and I think people that are

in it need to be very

open-minded and the thing is is people

making the money why would they change

it yeah you know they're making enough

money

you know so that's what I'm saying like

yeah you're right I think the clay needs

to be remolded with the same clay yeah

yeah yeah you know yeah but remolded

yeah yeah and I think it's funny like uh

after the pot I've I like talked out RV

for like 10 minutes like just this is

why this is it and he was like huh I'm

like yeah there's no incentive like

there what there's no incentive for it

to change everyone that's making money

is is making money like the people at

the top are going to they just want to

keep it's like a system A System's goal

is just to stay being a system even you

look at politics Republican Democrat who

gives a [ __ ] as long as it stays the

same we'll win this year you'll win the

four years time then four years who

gives a [ __ ] as long as it stays we've

all figured out how to make our clip mhm

as long as it stays the way it is then

we're all good but even for me like not

to

be even if I helped change it

I'm not even going to reap the benefits

of it you know so I'm like cool

like have fun you're

welcome so I'm like for me there's no

reason to besides just being I guess

passionate about it like I make good

money but to make it changed for them to

make more money I got there's no I

didn't get nothing out of it yeah you

know um so that's a hard thing for me

cuz I and then you've got to change the

strategy which can put the money that

you're making now at risk yes so then

it's like well I'm kind of I'm in a

pretty hard spot here I like making

millions of dollars every year and I

want to kind of make millions for the

next few years at least so you kind of

can't upset the apple cart exactly so

and to be honest I'm homies with them

too though you know what I'm saying I'm

homies with the people that don't want

to change it yeah you know and the

people that are working for the

companies that don't want to change it

CU sometimes you break down those people

in real life they're pretty [ __ ]

funny you

know they really are once you get past

the like the you know I do this for a

job so I have to be serious Vibe and you

get into the like you want to go to

Chili's then they're

funny yeah so that's uh that's that's

the part that I also understand is

they're real people too that are pretty

funny yeah so yeah I don't know I wish I

could do some cool stuff and I think I

will be able to we'll see yeah I think

as as it goes a little bit longer and

every career has an expiration date and

it's like you can you'll know when you

get in close to the end maybe you can

take some risks maybe you can you know

step a little bit outside the box or

remold the clay in the way that you'd

want and but I think no matter what dude

like you're going to leave a crazy mark

on this sport I think you've already

done so much for the current generation

and the next Generations because you

know people see what you do people see

the style and you know people love

people love what you do still fed.org

hit me up well uh let's wrap this thing

up y I appreciate it I I I genuinely

appreciate you as a dude and I genuinely

appreciate that you would like give me

the opportunity to uh chat I know you

don't talk to too many people so we

shoot the [ __ ] though it's fun yeah it's

good yeah and for me it's uh having just

talking is easier than how'd you do

tonight yeah so I had fun yeah and you

know that you always just you're always

welcome yeah yeah like anytime so

perfect appreciate you brother thank you

see you day too

later thanks doll no

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