Is Resurrection of Jesus Real?

Cold-Case Christianity - J. Warner & Jimmy Wallace
3 Oct 202411:48

Summary

TLDRThe speaker emphasizes the broad nature of evidence, both forensic and non-forensic, in criminal investigations and applies these principles to religious inquiries, such as the resurrection of Jesus and the existence of God. They argue that both what is present and absent in evidence can be crucial. The speaker also challenges the notion that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, explaining that ordinary evidence can suffice for extraordinary cases, including in legal contexts and theological debates. They conclude by critiquing philosophical naturalism and discussing the implications of scientific explanations for the universe and life.

Takeaways

  • 🔍 Broaden the definition of evidence when investigating any case, including the resurrection or the gospels.
  • 🕵️‍♂️ Both physical and non-physical evidence can be valuable in a criminal investigation.
  • 🗺️ The location of where an event occurred, and where it could have occurred but didn’t, can both hold evidential value.
  • 🧩 Missing items from a crime scene can be just as valuable as items that are found at the scene.
  • 👂 What a suspect says and what they fail to say are both crucial pieces of evidence.
  • ❌ Actions not taken by a suspect can be as important as the actions they do take.
  • 🧐 When examining the resurrection or Christianity, both textual evidence from scripture and external non-textual evidence are essential.
  • 📚 Absences in the gospel narrative, like what the author left out, can be as evidentially important as what is included.
  • ⚖️ Extraordinary claims, like the existence of God, don't require extraordinary evidence but can be supported by ordinary evidence, just as extraordinary crimes are solved with standard forms of evidence.
  • 🌌 The belief in naturalism, that all things can be explained by space, time, matter, physics, and chemistry, also requires strong evidence, and these claims might be even more extraordinary than those for God or Christianity.

Q & A

  • What is the main argument the speaker makes about evidence in the investigation of the resurrection and gospels?

    -The speaker argues that we need to broaden our understanding of evidence, as both physical and non-physical evidence can be valuable in investigations. This broad approach is applicable not only to criminal cases but also when investigating the resurrection and the gospels.

  • What types of evidence does the speaker say can be used in a criminal investigation?

    -The speaker mentions that both forensic physical evidence and non-forensic evidence can be used. Additionally, things like what was said or left unsaid by a suspect, actions taken or not taken, and even the absence of certain items at the crime scene all hold evidential value.

  • How does the speaker apply this broad view of evidence to the case for Christianity?

    -The speaker applies the same principle of broad evidence to Christianity, suggesting that both the textual evidence in scripture and external, non-textual evidence, such as events that did or did not occur, should be considered. Even what is missing or left out in the texts can be evidentially significant.

  • Why does the speaker reject the notion that 'extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence' in the context of Christianity?

    -The speaker rejects this notion by explaining that extraordinary cases, like the murder case he worked on, can be solved using ordinary evidence. Similarly, the extraordinary claim of Christianity can be supported by ordinary types of evidence, just as in any other case.

  • Can the absence of something still hold evidential value in an investigation? Give an example.

    -Yes, the absence of something can still hold evidential value. For example, the speaker highlights that the location where a victim was not attacked or items missing from a crime scene can provide crucial clues about what happened.

  • What example does the speaker use from his own work to demonstrate the importance of ordinary evidence in solving extraordinary cases?

    -The speaker uses a murder case from 1981 where a woman was killed, but there was no body, no crime scene, and no cooperation from the suspect's family. Despite these challenges, the case was solved using ordinary evidence like what the suspect said or failed to say, and actions he took or did not take.

  • How does the speaker explain the significance of what gospel authors left out in their accounts?

    -The speaker explains that what gospel authors left out of their accounts is just as important as what they included. This can help in understanding what might have influenced their writings and what was considered important or unimportant at the time.

  • How does the speaker connect philosophical naturalism with the idea of extraordinary claims?

    -The speaker, reflecting on his time as a philosophical naturalist, argues that the belief that everything can be explained through space, time, matter, physics, and chemistry without a designer is an extraordinary claim itself. He suggests that this requires just as much extraordinary evidence as the claims of Christianity.

  • What does the speaker say about using 'ordinary evidence' in proving the existence of God?

    -The speaker argues that proving the existence of God does not require extraordinary evidence. Instead, ordinary evidence—such as the nature of the universe, what we observe, and what is absent—can be used in a similar way to how other extraordinary cases are solved.

  • What is the speaker's view on the moral implications of philosophical naturalism?

    -The speaker challenges the idea that moral obligations can arise from a purely naturalistic worldview. He questions how a deterministic system, like the universe governed solely by physics and chemistry, could account for immaterial aspects such as consciousness, free will, or moral obligations.

Outlines

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🔍 The Broad Nature of Evidence

In this section, the speaker emphasizes the importance of understanding the broad scope of evidence. They explain that both forensic (physical) and non-forensic (non-physical) evidence can be critical in solving crimes. Examples include not only what is present at a crime scene but also what is missing, and actions not taken by a suspect can be as significant as those taken. The speaker draws parallels between how evidence is used in criminal trials and how it can apply to examining biblical events, particularly the resurrection, arguing that both physical and non-physical evidence matter. The speaker encourages thinking broadly about evidence when investigating claims in Christianity, stressing that even what is not recorded or said can be crucial evidence.

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🧮 The Extraordinary Nature of Crime Statistics

The speaker discusses the rarity of murders, particularly in California in 1981, providing statistical evidence to illustrate how extraordinary murder cases are. They highlight that out of 24 million people, only 0.01% committed murder, making it an uncommon event. The case of Michael Luban, who committed murder without leaving behind a body, crime scene, or motive, is used to show how extraordinary some crimes can be. Despite being a rare case, the speaker argues that extraordinary claims, like this murder, can still be solved using ordinary evidence, dismissing the idea that extraordinary claims always require extraordinary evidence.

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⚖️ Solving Extraordinary Crimes with Ordinary Evidence

The speaker explains how seemingly extraordinary murder cases can be solved using ordinary types of evidence. Referring back to the Luban case, they point out that things like the location of the crime, what was said or not said, and actions taken or not taken are all valuable clues. They challenge the popular notion that extraordinary events require extraordinary evidence, arguing that ordinary forms of evidence used in criminal trials can also apply to proving significant claims, including the existence of God and Christianity. By using consistent, everyday forms of evidence, even extraordinary claims can be proven.

🌌 The Extraordinary Claim of Naturalism

The speaker contrasts their previous belief as a philosophical naturalist, which held that everything can be explained by natural laws like space, time, matter, physics, and chemistry. They challenge the naturalist view that extraordinary phenomena such as the fine-tuning of the universe, the emergence of life from non-living matter, and consciousness can be explained purely through natural processes. The speaker argues that these claims are far more extraordinary than those made by Christianity. They shift the burden of proof onto those who claim that the universe and life can be fully explained by naturalism, suggesting that such claims also require extraordinary evidence.

Mindmap

Keywords

💡Evidence

Evidence refers to anything that can be used to establish facts or support claims, whether physical or non-physical. The video emphasizes that both forensic (physical) and non-forensic (non-physical) evidence are crucial in building a case, including criminal trials and the case for the resurrection in Christianity. Examples from the script include the location of a crime or what a suspect says or fails to say.

💡Forensic Evidence

Forensic evidence is physical evidence that can be scientifically tested to help solve a crime. This includes things like fingerprints, DNA, or objects found at a crime scene. In the video, it is contrasted with non-forensic evidence, showing that both are important in making a case. It is often used to prove physical facts but isn't the only form of valuable evidence.

💡Non-Forensic Evidence

Non-forensic evidence refers to evidence that isn't based on physical or scientific testing, such as witness testimonies, statements, or behaviors. In the video, the speaker highlights that non-forensic evidence is just as important in solving cases as forensic evidence, such as what a suspect says or what they choose not to say.

💡Resurrection

Resurrection in this context refers to the claim in Christian belief that Jesus Christ rose from the dead. The speaker draws parallels between how one would investigate the resurrection and how one would investigate a crime, using both physical and non-physical evidence to support an extraordinary claim.

💡Extraordinary Claims

Extraordinary claims are assertions that seem unusual or unlikely and often require substantial proof. In the video, the speaker addresses the idea that extraordinary claims, such as the existence of God or the resurrection of Jesus, do not necessarily require extraordinary evidence but can be supported using ordinary evidence effectively.

💡Extraordinary Evidence

Extraordinary evidence is the concept that rare or unlikely events require unusually strong evidence to be believed. The speaker argues against this notion, stating that ordinary evidence is often sufficient to prove extraordinary events, as shown through the example of solving complex murder cases using standard forms of evidence.

💡Internal Textual Evidence

Internal textual evidence refers to evidence found within the text of scripture, such as the Bible, that can be used to support religious claims like the resurrection. The video mentions that both internal (scriptural) and external (non-textual) evidence can be used to make a case for Christianity.

💡External Non-Textual Evidence

External non-textual evidence refers to evidence outside of the written scripture that can support claims in Christianity. In the video, the speaker suggests that just like in a crime investigation, what is not said or omitted can be as valuable as what is documented. This applies to external evidence for religious claims as well.

💡Naturalism

Naturalism is the belief that everything can be explained through natural causes like space, time, matter, physics, and chemistry, without involving supernatural forces. The speaker identifies as a former philosophical naturalist and contrasts this worldview with the belief in the supernatural claims of Christianity, such as the existence of God.

💡Burden of Proof

Burden of proof is the obligation to provide evidence to support a claim. The speaker argues that extraordinary claims made by both Christians and naturalists must meet the same standards of evidence, challenging the idea that claims about God require more evidence than naturalistic explanations for phenomena like the origin of the universe.

Highlights

The importance of considering both forensic and non-forensic evidence in investigations, as non-physical aspects can also provide valuable information.

Not only what was discovered at the crime scene, but also what was missing can be significant evidence.

Analyzing not just what the suspect said, but also what they failed to say, can reveal crucial insights.

Evidence in a case should be viewed broadly, considering all possible factors, including the absence of actions or words.

The same principle of broad evidence applies when investigating the resurrection or other gospel events.

The idea that 'extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence' is often misunderstood; ordinary evidence can still solve extraordinary cases.

The example of the 1981 murder case, where no body, crime scene, or physical evidence existed, yet the case was solved using standard investigative methods.

Most murders are statistically rare, and certain cases can be even more extraordinary due to a lack of typical elements like a motive or evidence.

The importance of using ordinary evidence to solve cases, regardless of how extraordinary the crime may seem.

The case for the existence of God or the resurrection can be made using ordinary, not extraordinary, evidence, similar to how a criminal case is built.

Examining what the gospel authors said and what they left out can be valuable in building a case for Christianity.

The sister of the victim in the 1981 murder case demanded extraordinary evidence due to her disbelief, yet ordinary evidence was sufficient to prove the case.

In a trial, every piece of evidence, even seemingly ordinary or unremarkable, has potential evidential value.

The philosophical naturalist perspective assumes all phenomena can be explained through space, time, matter, physics, and chemistry, rejecting anything extranatural.

The argument that claims about the universe's origin and fine-tuning without a designer are also extraordinary and require substantial evidence.

Transcripts

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second practices I second thing I do

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when working in cases that I think we

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could apply to how we investigate the

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resurrection or anything actually in the

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gospels and that is we have to think

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about the nature of evidence broadly we

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have to think about the nature of

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evidence broadly in other words we're

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asking this question what qualifies as

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evidence now you might say well you know

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physical forensic physical evidence of

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the scene that's true you know it's

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evidence I can I can test that's

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physical it's true but but also

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non-physical evidence at the crime scene

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is also non-forensic evidence is is some

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some of the evence can't be tested with

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forensics some of it can some of it with

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forensic Sciences um but some of it's

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not even going to be physical so it

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turns out that both sides both kinds of

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things could qualify as evidence both

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kinds of things could be used in a

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criminal trial to make a case both

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forensic physical evidence and

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non-forensic phys hey how about this

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where the victim was attacked you

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realize that that where the victim was

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attacked is an important piece of

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evidence it can determine really who

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we're looking for is the is it could it

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be anybody or was it somebody who knew

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her often we know that b based on the

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location but guess what where the victim

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could have been attacked but

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wasn't that's also of evidential value

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to us in a case do you see now again the

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two opposites are both valuable to us

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here's another one items discovered at

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the crime

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scene of course stuff you discovered the

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crime scene that's going to be that

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could be used as evidence how about this

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stuff that is missing from the crime

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scene well that also has evidential

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value do you see the pattern here how

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about this where the suspect

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said well that would count how about

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words the suspect could have said but

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didn't uh yeah that also counts how

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about this something the suspect

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did well yeah of course that would count

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how about this something the suspect

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could have did done but decided not to

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do or for whatever reason didn't do well

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yep that would also do you do you see

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what's happening here so it turns out

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that the with categories the the the

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scope of what could be used evidentially

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to make a case is much broader than you

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think everything and anything has the

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potential to be used to build an

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evidential case in criminal trials this

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is true same is true though we're making

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a case for Christianity well we have

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some internal textual evidence from

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scripture well of course we could use

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that to make a case but we could also

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use external non-textual evidence well

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how about this uh where did the event

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occur as recorded in scripture that's

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going to be important to us but where

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the event could have occurred but didn't

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that's also going to be well how about

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this the stuff that was described right

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by the author whatever the gospel author

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is of course that's got evidential

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importance but the stuff he left out

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that's also of evidential importance to

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us how about this uh he describes that

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certain words were said by one person in

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the in the account either Jesus or

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somebody else well the words that that

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person said that's going to count but it

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turns out the words they failed to say

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will also be important to our

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investigation whatever they did is

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important whatever they failed to do

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that do you see what's happening here

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the same it turns out you used to think

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well what's on that page that's what's

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going to well what's not on the page

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also

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counts and we have to kind of look at

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this differently I often am more

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concerned about what I always say it

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this way to my daughters be careful what

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you say because I'm going to hold

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everything against you and and they hate

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that of course but the point is it's

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broader than you think and I want us to

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keep that open broad funnel of evidence

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in mind as we begin to examine the case

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for the resurrection a lot more counts

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than you think counts everything has the

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potential to be part of an evidential

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case now before we uh go to the next uh

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principle I just want to answer an

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objection I hear a

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lot that I describes me nuts so here so

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here's the objection it's something like

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this you'll hear this said in the past

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you know extraordinary claims require

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extraordinary evidence I can't tell you

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how many times I've heard

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that and it's often used in the context

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of this second expl uh second objection

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you know if God exists this idea this

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quote this claim God exists that's an

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extraordinary

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claim you had better be able to produce

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extraordinary evidence to support such a

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claim well what do you what do you mean

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by extraordinary I mean what what what

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exactly my own experience with this is

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slightly different let me explain to you

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what I mean I had a case which I

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described in the last session in which a

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woman was killed by her husband in 1981

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and there was no body this is a case

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that appeared on Dat line and as I

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investigated this case as you can see

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here I realized that man this event the

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murder of this man uh this this man

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murdering his wife was in many ways like

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lots of murders incredibly extraordinary

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let me give you an example of this it

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turns out 1981 there were about 24

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million people living in our

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state of those 24 million people about

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3,000 just a little over 3,000 were

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murdered or committed murder I should

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say that's 0 one% of the entire

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population of California that's pretty

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extraordinary that's a very small number

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this is not a common thing or an

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ordinary occurrence this is an

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extraordinary occurrence if you think

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about it right and it turns out of all

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these people who committed murder 0 one%

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of the population of California who

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committed murder one of them just one

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was a guy named Michael

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luban he was

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0.004% of the

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population that's an extraordinarily

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small and rare this dude was special

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right and or an an exceptional if you

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think about it um not just ordinary this

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is not an ordinary event this is by the

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way most murders well all murders are

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given the the number of people who live

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in our our country and the people who

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commit crimes in our country they are

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extraordinary events but this is even

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more extraordinary event because as I

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told you in the last session we didn't

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work this as a homicide for six years

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after it was reported as a missing

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person we had a missing person report

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nothing else six years later someone

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decides well she never came back that

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doesn't happen I mean give me you tell

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me that she never came back she left two

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small children she never once called she

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never she never this is a murder

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investigation we're like working on as a

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murder now but now we're 6 years behind

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the curve so in addition to this being

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very rare in terms of the number of

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people who are living in California this

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is even rarer in terms of murders

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because we had no physical evidence and

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we had no body and as you can see here

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we had no crime scene and we had no

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one's cooperation that's right he's not

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going to cooperate with us his family

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doesn't think he's guilty worse yet

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Carol his wife their family loved Mike

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they didn't believe Mike was capable of

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doing this they didn't want to lose both

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their daughter and their beloved

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son-in-law they wouldn't they weren't

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Cooperative either so we have a case now

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that's rare to begin with but now it's

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even more rare because it's in a unique

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case this guy had no History of Violence

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most murderers we can go back and find

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at some point they had a history of

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violence not here and guess what on top

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of it all this is a case in which there

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was no apparent motive for Mike to do

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this to his wife now that's okay this is

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a terrible case this is why this stayed

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open for so many years this is an

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extraordinary unusual case given that

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any murderer in California believe it or

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not as you might think not think it's so

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but it is so you just saw the numbers

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it's extraordinary on its own but not

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only that this case is even more

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extraord based on the nature of the case

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and this is why the sister of the

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deceased the sister of the victim

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basically said no you I don't believe it

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I don't believe Mike did

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this basically you're going to have to

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show me some extraordinary in order for

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me to believe

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that there's no way now okay we get to

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trial here he is in

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trial and I will tell you that um

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everything has

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evidential um use right we talked

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earlier about how to think broadly about

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evidence the same was true here during

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his criminal trial so we're looking at

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you know where was Carol killed where

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wasn't Carol killed what did Michael say

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afterwards what what did he fail to say

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when interviewed afterwards what did

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Michael do what did he fail to do do you

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see what we're doing here the same thing

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I showed you in the last segment we are

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using very ordinary

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evidence very unexceptional evidence

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it's the same way we approach everything

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in order to make this case so it turns

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out we can solve extraordinary murders

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using very ordinary evidence you don't

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need extraordinary evidence we don't

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need some crazy uh test that's been

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devised in the last last five years and

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now we're going to bring it in with you

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know and make it a hologram no we're not

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going to do any of that we're going to

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use very ordinary evidence stuff I just

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told you about the stuff we use in every

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case now let's take a look at this and

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apply this to say for example the

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existence of God now what's going to be

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used to make a case for the existence of

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God do I need extraordinary evidence to

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to prove this extraordinary unusual

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claim not really I'm going to use all

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the kinds of ordinary evidence I would

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use forensic evidence non-forensic

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evidence where the phenomena occurs

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where phenomenas don't occur um what is

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discovered in the universe what do we

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see about the nature of the universe

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what's missing from the nature of the

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universe what do the gospel authors when

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it comes to Christianity in specific

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what do they say what do they fail to

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say what did Jesus do what did Jesus not

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do in other words we're going to make

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the case for this extraordinary claim

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called Christianity using very ordinary

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unexceptional forms of evidence because

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this is how we prove every extraordinary

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case using the same approach we use to

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doing anything

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else now this is one last thing here

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looking at the universe okay if we're

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going to

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suggest uh I believed this for years as

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an atheist I rejected anything

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extranatural if it couldn't be explained

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with space time matter physics and

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chemistry I believe we would eventually

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just be patient we will eventually

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explain it with those things that's all

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you had it's only explanations that

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could ever exist were those that

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employed space time time matter physics

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and chemistry I was a philosophical

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naturalist but if we're going to suggest

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that the the the universe leapt into

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existence from nothing and appears

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fine-tuned without a fine-tuner and life

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emerges from nonliving this this this

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these forces of physics and chemistry

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can create life from non-living matter

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that appears to be design when there's

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no designer and that there Consciousness

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somehow emerges immaterial Consciousness

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somehow emerges from matter from

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material and there's somehow the

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appearance or the emersion of the

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emergence of of freedom of free agency

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just pops in here even though the system

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itself is deterministic and somehow

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there are moral obligations to physics I

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mean and there's no you we're only

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morally obligated to persons but if

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we're going to suggest all of this comes

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from just SpaceTime matter and physics

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well that really would be an

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extraordinary claim and seems to me then

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the burden goes right back to the other

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person to have as much extraordinary

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evidence cuz those claims are even far

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more extraordinary than ours

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