'Gentleman's Big Lie': Hayes rips MAGA attempt to sanitize stolen election lies
Summary
TLDRThe transcript discusses the Republican Party's fixation on the 2020 election and the promotion of the 'stolen election' narrative. It highlights the debunked conspiracy theories surrounding the Dominion Voting Systems and the influence of foreign governments on election outcomes. The conversation emphasizes the importance of election integrity but criticizes the misuse of this concept to justify false claims of widespread voter fraud. The script also touches on the changes in voting laws to accommodate mail-in ballots during the pandemic and the subsequent legal and audit outcomes that found no systemic fraud. It concludes by suggesting that the real issue for Republicans is the high voter turnout against Donald Trump, indicating a discomfort with democracy when they do not win.
Takeaways
- 📣 The 2024 election is approaching and Republicans are heavily focused on the 2020 election, with the claim of a stolen election becoming a central ideology for the party.
- 🗣️ "Speaker of the House Mike Johnson's meeting with former President Trump at Mar-a-Lago for an 'Election Integrity Summit' highlights the party's continued emphasis on this issue."
- 🤔 "The term 'election integrity' is used by Republicans as a euphemism for the belief in a stolen election, despite evidence debunking widespread voter fraud claims."
- 🌎 "Assertions that voting systems like Dominion were created by foreign powers to rig elections have been thoroughly discredited as baseless conspiracy theories."
- ⚖️ "Legal consequences have deterred some from making false claims about election fraud, with high-profile cases leading to significant penalties."
- 🔄 "Republicans face an internal conflict, unable to admit that the 2020 election was not stolen and that Trump's loss reflected broader dissatisfaction with his presidency."
- 📜 "The 'gentleman's big lie' refers to the more palatable version of the stolen election narrative, focusing on alleged unconstitutional changes in election laws rather than outright fraud."
- 🏛️ "The Pennsylvania example shows that even when claims about election laws are scrutinized and found without merit, they continue to be part of the Republican narrative."
- 🗳️ "Despite no evidence of systemic fraud and multiple failed legal challenges, concerns about election integrity persist as a way to frame the 2020 election as illegitimate."
- 😡 "The underlying issue for Republicans is not about election integrity but about their discomfort with the fact that many people voted against Trump, reflecting a distrust in democracy when they do not win."
- 🚨 "The continued focus on election integrity is seen as a justification for Trump's attempted coup and the insurrection, with the ultimate goal of undermining the democratic process."
Q & A
What is the main focus of the 2024 Republicans according to the transcript?
-The main focus of the 2024 Republicans, as mentioned in the transcript, is the obsession with the 2020 election, particularly the claim of a stolen election which has become the ideological tentpole of today's Republican Party.
Who did Speaker of the House Mike Johnson meet with at Mar-a-Lago?
-Speaker of the House Mike Johnson met with the former President, Donald Trump, at Mar-a-Lago for an Election Integrity Summit.
What is the so-called 'Big Lie' mentioned in the transcript?
-The 'Big Lie' refers to the false claim that the 2020 election was stolen from Donald Trump. It has become a central theme for the Republican Party and is used to质疑 the legitimacy of the election results.
What is the false claim made about Dominion Voting Systems in the transcript?
-The false claim made about Dominion Voting Systems is that the technology, software, and computerized voting systems were created in Venezuela under the direction of Hugo Chavez to ensure he never lost an election. This claim has been debunked as transparent nonsense.
What was the reason behind the changes to election laws in some states, as mentioned in the transcript?
-The changes to election laws in some states were made to allow universal mail-in balloting and other safer voting methods during the once-in-a-century pandemic. These changes were aimed at enabling people to vote securely while minimizing the risk of infection.
What was the outcome of attempts to challenge the results of the 2020 election?
-All attempts to challenge the results of the 2020 election were thrown out of court, and every audit showed there was zero systemic widespread fraud. The measures designed to allow people to vote safely did nothing but ensure a secure voting process.
What is the underlying issue the Republicans have with the 2020 election, as suggested in the transcript?
-The underlying issue the Republicans have with the 2020 election, as suggested in the transcript, is that they are unhappy with the outcome where a majority of Americans voted against Donald Trump. The concerns about election integrity are portrayed as a justification for their dissatisfaction with the democratic process.
What is the term used in the transcript to describe a more palatable version of the 'Big Lie'?
-The term used in the transcript to describe a more palatable version of the 'Big Lie' is 'The Gentleman's Big Lie'. It refers to the argument that some states loosened rules to make it safer for people to vote during the pandemic, which is presented as tantamount to the election being stolen.
What happened on January 6th, as referenced in the transcript?
-January 6th is referenced in the transcript as the date of the deadly insurrection at the U.S. Capitol, which was fueled by the 'Big Lie' and Trump's attempted coup. It was a significant event that resulted in bloodshed in the Speaker's lobby.
What is the implication of the Republicans' focus on election integrity in the 2024 election cycle?
-The implication of the Republicans' focus on election integrity in the 2024 election cycle is that it serves as a means to continue promoting the false claims of a stolen 2020 election and potentially justifies efforts to restrict voting rights or challenge the legitimacy of future elections if they do not yield the desired outcome for the Republican Party.
What was the reaction of the Pennsylvania Supreme Court to the 2020 election law?
-The Pennsylvania Supreme Court unanimously upheld the 2020 election under the law that allowed for mail-in voting and other measures implemented in response to the pandemic.
What does the transcript suggest about the Republican Party's view on democracy?
-The transcript suggests that the Republican Party is seen as being uncomfortable with democracy when they lose, implying a belief that they should run the country by default and a distrust in the votes of their opponents.
Outlines
🗳️ Election Integrity and the Big Lie
This paragraph discusses the Republican Party's fixation on the 2020 election and the concept of 'election integrity.' It highlights how the term has been co-opted to support the false claim that the election was stolen from Donald Trump. The speaker, Chris Hayes, debunks conspiracy theories about voting systems and emphasizes that the so-called election integrity concerns are merely a cover for the belief that Trump was a poor candidate who was rejected by the majority of Americans. The paragraph also touches on the 'Gentleman's Big Lie,' which involves questioning the constitutionality of certain election law changes, despite these changes being legal and necessary during the pandemic.
🚫 Critique of 2020 Election and Looking Ahead to 2024
The second paragraph focuses on the critique of the 2020 election and the anticipation of the 2024 election. It features discussions from various political figures who express concerns about the changes in election rules due to COVID-19, suggesting that these changes were unconstitutional and led to an imperfect election. The paragraph also addresses the media's initial claims about the 2020 election being the most secure, contrasting with the skepticism and conspiracy theories that were debunked in court and by audits showing no systemic fraud. The underlying issue highlighted is that Republicans are uncomfortable with democracy when they lose, and the narrative of election integrity is a continuation of the false claims from the previous election cycle.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡Election Integrity
💡Dominion Voting Systems
💡Stolen Election
💡Conspiracy Theories
💡Sidney Powell
💡Josh Hawley
💡Mail-In Voting
💡Venezuela
💡Hugo Chavez
💡COVID-19
💡Insurrection
Highlights
Discussion on the 2024 election and Republicans' fixation on the 2020 election.
Donald Trump's claim of a stolen election as the ideological tentpole of the Republican Party.
House Speaker Mike Johnson's visit to Mar-a-Lago for an election integrity summit with the former president.
Critique of the term 'election integrity' as a cover for the big lie.
Baseless conspiracy theories about the Dominion voting systems and foreign interference.
Refutation of claims that the voting machines were hacked or manipulated.
Legal consequences for spreading misinformation about election fraud.
The dilemma faced by Republicans in acknowledging the truth about the 2020 election.
The 'gentleman's big lie' about unconstitutional changes to election laws.
Senator Josh Hawley's objection to the 2020 election results and his misleading statements.
The Pennsylvania Supreme Court's unanimous upholding of the 2020 election under the state's law.
Concerns about the integrity of the election system being a cover for dissatisfaction with the outcome.
The impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on voting procedures and the response of states to ensure safe voting.
The lack of evidence for systemic widespread voter fraud in the 2020 election.
The narrative that Republicans distrust democracy when they lose.
The implication that the focus on election integrity is a strategy to support Trump's attempted coup and future ambitions.
The tragic event of blood spilled in the Speaker's lobby three years prior.
Transcripts
>> I DON'T LIKE THEM PUTTING
CHEMICALS IN THE WATER THAT
TURN THE FROGS .
>> ALL IN STARTS RIGHT NOW.
>>> GOOD EVENING FROM NEW YORK.
I'M CHRIS HAYES.
AS WE APPROACH THE 2024
ELECTION, REPUBLICANS ARE
OBSESSED WITH THE 2020 ELECTION.
ELECTION.
DONALD TRUMP BIG LIE OF A
STOLEN ELECTION HAD BECOME THE
IDEOLOGICAL TENTPOLE OF TODAY'S
REPUBLICAN PARTY, WHICH IS WHY,
JUST THIS AFTERNOON, SPEAKER OF
THE HOUSE MIKE JOHNSON MAKE THE
PILGRIMAGE DOWN TO MAR-A-LAGO
TO HOLD A SO-CALLED ELECTION
INTEGRITY SUMMIT WITH THE EX-
PRESIDENT.
NOW, ELECTION INTEGRITY MIGHT
SEEM LIKE AN INNOCUOUS ENOUGH
FREEZE.
SHORTLY EVERYONE WANTS OUR
ELECTIONS TO BE CARRIED OUT
PROPERLY.
FOR REPUBLICANS, THEY HAVE A
PLACE TO THE CONCEPT IN A
REALLY INSIDIOUS WAY.
WHEN I SAY ELECTION INTEGRITY,
IT REALLY JUST MEANS THAT BIG
LIE.
AND, THERE'S A REASON FOR THAT.
WHAT MANY OF THEM ACTUALLY
BELIEVE ABOUT THAT ELECTION
SOUNDS NUTS. >> THE DOMINION VOTING SYSTEMS,
>> THE DOMINION VOTING SYSTEMS,
THE TECHNOLOGY SOFTWARE AND THE
SOFTWARE THAT GOES IN OTHER
COMPUTERIZED VOTING SYSTEMS
HERE AS WELL, NOT JUST
DOMINION, WERE CREATED IN
VENEZUELA AT THE DIRECTION OF
HUGO CHAVEZ TO MAKE SURE HE
NEVER LOST AN ELECTION.
>> OKAY.
THIS IS, AS WE'VE ESTABLISHED
MANY TIMES, TRANSPARENT
NONSENSE.
OBVIOUSLY THE GHOST OF HUGO
CHAVEZ HACKED THE VOTING
MACHINES OR THAT THE CHINESE
GOVERNMENT SMUGGLED BAMBOO
PAPER INTO THE BALLOT.
OR, THIS IS ANOTHER ONE, THE
ITALIAN SATELLITES RIGGED THE
VOTE COUNT.
NOT TO MENTION THE FACT THAT IF
YOU DO SAY THAT STUFF, YOU
MIGHT JUST LOSE YOUR LAW
LICENSE OR GET SUED FOR $800
MILLION, JUST ASK FOX NEWS.
SO, YOU CAN'T GO AROUND
SOUNDING LIKE SIDNEY POWELL,
UNLESS YOU ARE TRUMP.
AT THE SAME TIME, REPUBLICANS
ARE KIND OF CAUGHT IN A BIND
BECAUSE THEY CAN'T SAY THE
TRUTH THAT THE ELECTION WAS NOT
STOLEN FROM DONALD TRUMP, THAT
7 MILLION MORE AMERICANS CHOSE
JOE BIDEN OVER TRUMP BECAUSE
TRUMP WAS A BAD PRESIDENT AND A
BETTER PERSON, WHO A MAJORITY
OF AMERICANS REJECTED TWICE.
SO, THAT BRINGS US TO THE
SLIGHTLY MORE RESPECTABLE
VERSION OF THE STOLEN ELECTION
CONSPIRACY, WHAT I LIKE TO CALL
THE GENTLEMAN'S BIG LIE.
YOU ARE PROBABLY FAMILIAR WITH
IT.
WE'VE BEEN HEARING IT SINCE THE
LAST ELECTION.
>> WORRIED ABOUT PENNSYLVANIA,
WHICH IS A STATE THAT I HAVE
BEEN FOCUSED ON, OBJECTED TO AS
A MIXABLE OF WHY PEOPLE ARE
CONCERNED, MILLIONS OF
AMERICANS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT
OUR ELECTION INTEGRITY.
LAST YEAR, PENNSYLVANIA ELECTED
OFFICIALS PASSED A WHOLE NEW
LAW THAT ALLOWS UNIVERSAL MAIL
IN BALLOTING AND DID IT
REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE
PENNSYLVANIA CONSTITUTION SAID. >> THIS ELECTION WAS NOT
>> THIS ELECTION WAS NOT
STOLEN, DO YOU ACCEPT THAT FACT?
>> WELL, WHAT I WOULD SAY IS
THAT THE DEBATE OVER WHETHER OR
NOT THERE WAS FRAUD SHOULD
OCCUR.
THERE WERE SEVERAL STATES IN
WHICH THE LAW WAS CHANGED BY
THE SECRETARY OF STATE AND NOT
THE STATE LEGISLATURE.,, THOSE
ARE UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
>> THAT WAS THE VERSION OF THIS
GENTLEMAN'S BIG LIE.
THAT WAS PART OF THE AMICUS
BRIEF, PART OF THE LAWSUITS
BROUGHT, SIGNED ON TO BY
MEMBERS OF THE SENATE.
INSTEAD OF SAYING THE SIDNEY
POWELL LINE, THE VENEZUELAN
SOCIALISTS ARE HUNTING THE
VOTING MACHINES, THEY PUT
FORWARD A MORE RESPECTABLE
LINE.
THIS IDEA THAT SOME STATES
LOOSENING SOME RULES TO MAKE IT
SAFER FOR PEOPLE TO VOTE DURING
A, LET'S REMEMBER, ONCE IN A
CENTURY PANDEMIC, IS TANTAMOUNT
TO THE ELECTION BEING STOLEN.
THESE SO-CALLED CONCERNS ABOUT
THE INTEGRITY OF OUR ELECTIONS
ARE JUST A MORE POLITE MEANS OF
WHINING ABOUT NONEXISTENT
WIDESPREAD VOTER FRAUD APPEARED
TO BE CLEAR, IT IS ALL BAD
FAITH LIES.
TAKE THAT CLIP FROM REPUBLICAN
SENATOR TRAN 33, THAT IS ON THE
EVENING OF JANUARY 6th, THEY
ARE BACK IN THE BUILDING MAYBE
OR RIGHT AROUND THEN.
HE'S TALKING ABOUT WHY HE
OBJECTED, IT IS RIGHT, THEN.
I REMEMBER MITT ROMNEY'S DEATH GLARE.
GLARE.
WHAT JOSH HAWLEY ELECTED TO
MENTION WAS IT WAS THE
REPUBLICAN PENNSYLVANIA
LEGISLATURE THAT VOTED TO
LOOSEN RESTRICTIONS ON MAIL-IN
VOTING AND THEY DID IT BEFORE
THE PANDEMIC IN 2019, NOT IN
2020, AS HE SAID.
WHAT'S MORE, THE PENNSYLVANIA
STATE SUPREME COURT UNANIMOUSLY
UPHELD THE 2020 ELECTION UNDER
THAT LAW. BUT, JOSH HAWLEY
FROM MISSOURI DIDN'T LIKE IT.
THE FACT THAT THESE SO-CALLED
CONCERNS ABOUT THE ELECTION
LAWS, OR THE CHANGES, TOTALLY
FALL APART UNDER EVEN THE
SMALLEST AMOUNT OF SCRUTINY HAS
NOT PREVENTED THEM FROM
BECOMING THE RESPECTABLE PARTY
LINE. >> I THINK THERE WERE LOTS OF
>> I THINK THERE WERE LOTS OF
PROBLEMS WITH 2020.
ULTIMATELY, HE WON THE ELECTION
BUT THERE WERE LOTS OF PROBLEMS
WITH THE 2020 ELECTION.
100%.
>> THAT'S FAIR.
>> I DON'T THINK HE WON IT
FAIR.
NOT GOING TO SAY THAT.
>> I'M NOT HERE TO LITIGATE
2020.
I'M RUNNING IN 2024, I'M
RUNNING FOR THE U.S. SENATE.
I DO SAY WE HAVE TO GET
CONFERENCE BACK IN OUR ELECTION
SYSTEM.
>> IS YOUR CONFIDENCE BACK ?
>> LOOK IS THERE CONCERNS? YES, OF COURSE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I DON'T
BUT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I DON'T
WANT TO SPEND MY TIME TALKING
ABOUT 2020.
I'M TALKING ABOUT 2024.
>> WHEN THEY CHANGED THE RULES
FOR COVID-19, I THINK THAT WAS
WRONG.
SOME OF THE STATES WERE
UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
I DON'T THINK IT WAS THE
PERFECT ELECTION.
REMEMBER AFTER A LOT OF THE
MEDIA WAS SAYING THIS WAS THE
MOST SECURE ELECTION IN
HISTORY.
HOW COULD BE THE MOST SECURE
WITH MILLIONS OF MAIL-IN
BALLOTS GOING OUT ? AT THE TIME
OF THE ELECTION, THEY WERE
TALKING ABOUT NICOLAS MADURO
STEALING VOTES ON THE VOTING
MACHINES OR WHATEVER AND NONE
OF THOSE THEORIES TO BE TRUE.
>> WHAT?
OKAY.
WE COULD PLAY LOTS MORE OF
THAT.
JOHN PAULSON, THE BIG HEDGE
FUND GUY WHO IS A TRUMP
SUPPORTERS AT THE SAME LINE
THIS WEEK.
HERE'S WHAT HAPPENED.
EVERYONE SEEMS TO HAVE A MEMORY
HOME OF THIS TIME WE ALL LIVED
THROUGH.
THERE WAS A ONCE IN A CENTURY
PANDEMIC THAT KILLED ABOUT 1
MILLION PEOPLE IN WHICH PEOPLE
COULD NOT GATHER WITHOUT
RISKING MASS CONTAGION OF A
SERIOUS RESPIRATORY VIRUS.
STATES PIVOTED TO ALLOW PEOPLE
TO VOTE BY MAIL OR VOTE IN
OTHER FASHIONS LIKE DROPPING
OFF BALLOTS IN SEALED BOXES
THAT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO
SECURELY VOTE AND ALSO TO NOT
RISK INFECTION.
EVERY ATTEMPT TO CHALLENGE THE
RESULTS OF THAT ELECTION WAS
THROWN OUT OF COURT.
EVERY AUDIT SHOWED THERE WAS
ZERO SYSTEMIC WIDESPREAD FRAUD.
THERE WAS NOT ANY SYSTEMIC
FRAUD.
THERE IS ZERO EVIDENCE THAT
MEASURES DESIGNED TO ALLOW
FOLKS TO VOTE SAFELY DID
ANYTHING BUT ALLOW FOLKS TO
VOTE SAFELY.
PROBABLY ALLOWED MORE FOLKS TO
VOTE.
WHAT IS THE PROBLEM, EXACTLY,
THE CONCERNS THAT WELL THE
THING THE REPUBLICANS ARE
REALLY MAD ABOUT IS THAT TOO
MANY PEOPLE VOTED AGAINST
DONALD TRUMP.
AT THE END OF THE DAY,
REPUBLICANS JUST DON'T LIKE
DEMOCRACY WHEN THEY LOSE.
WHICH MEANS THEY DON'T LIKE
DEMOCRACY.
THEY BELIEVE THEY SHOULD RUN
THE COUNTRY BY DEFAULT.
THEY BELIEVE THE VOTES OF THEIR
OPPONENTS ARE SUSPECT, THAT
THEY SHOULDN'T COUNT.
THEY JUST DON'T TRUST THAT
THOSE PEOPLE ARE THERE.
BUT, THEY ARE.
THAT IS WHY, JUST LIKE EVAN
McCARTHY BEFORE HIM, MICAH JOHNSON WENT DOWN TO FLORIDA TO
JOHNSON WENT DOWN TO FLORIDA TO
KISS TRUMPS RING.
>> THE SPEAKER IS REQUIRED TO
GO AROUND, FLY, AND THE COUNTRY
AND BE WITH ALL OF THE
CANDIDATES AND INCUMBENTS ALL
AROUND 11 TO 23 STATES IN THE
LAST SEVERAL WEEKS.
EVERYWHERE WE GO, ONE OF THE
FIRST QUESTIONS PEOPLE ASK
ABOUT IS THIS ISSUE OF ELECTION
INTEGRITY.
>> WELL, I WONDER WHY THAT IS,
MIKE.
COULD IT BE THAT YOU HAVE BEEN
BEATING THEM OVER THE HEAD WITH
THIS LINE FOR FOUR YEARS IN
THIS HERMETICALLY SEALED LITTLE
BUBBLE YOU'VE CREATED? YES, IT
IS ALL A WAY TO LAUNDER THE BIG
LIE AND JANUARY 6th AND
SOMETHING SLIGHTLY MORE
PALATABLE.
IN REALITY, IT IS STILL THE BIG
LIE ALL THE WAY DOWN.
IT IS ALL JUST A JUSTIFICATION
FOR TRUMPS ATTEMPTED COUP AND
THE DEADLY INSURRECTION THAT
FOLLOWED AND WHAT HE WANTS TO
DO NOW, WHICH IS FINISH THE
JOB. THREE YEARS AGO, WE SAW BLOOD
THREE YEARS AGO, WE SAW BLOOD
SPILLED IN THE SPEAKER'S LOBBY.
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