Simon Jordan BLASTS Ten Hag For Triggering Media Pile-On Against Marcus Rashford! 😠🔥
Summary
TLDRThe transcript discusses controversy around Manchester United player Marcus Rashford, who was left out of the team's squad recently. Rashford was reported ill after being seen at nightclubs before missing training. Manager Erik ten Hag called it an 'internal matter' but fans and media are questioning Rashford's commitment. There is debate around how ten Hag should handle Rashford - be stricter or protect him. Comparisons are made to past player issues. Overall there are concerns about the culture at Manchester United and whether players like Rashford take their responsibilities seriously.
Takeaways
- 😀 Rashford was left out of the squad for the Newport match, with United claiming he was ill - but it later emerged he had been out at nightclubs earlier that week
- 😕 Ten Hag repeatedly said it was an 'internal matter' when asked about Rashford's absence - raising questions over how he will deal with it
- 😒 Rashford has previous issues with discipline, going out late before matches
- 😠 Ten Hag wants high standards and has come down hard on issues before (e.g. Ronaldo, Sancho)
- 😬 Questions over whether Ten Hag should air issues publicly as a management tactic
- 😐 Unclear if Rashford was actually ill/unfit to train - Ten Hag may not have full information
- 😑 Other United players like Van de Beek struggling on loan deals - questions over squad mentality
- 🚨 Rashford's brother/agent also at Carrington today - suggestion of another off-field issue
- 😡 Many United fans frustrated, feel Rashford should be axed as he is not committed enough
- 😕 Questions remain whether Ten Hag can fix culture and discipline issues at United
Q & A
Why was Marcus Rashford not included in Manchester United's squad for the Newport match?
-United claimed Rashford was left out of the traveling squad due to illness, but this followed reports that Rashford had been out at nightclubs in Belfast earlier that week before saying he was too ill to attend training on Friday.
How did Erik ten Hag respond when asked about Rashford's absence?
-Ten Hag stuck to the line that Rashford had reported ill, calling it an internal matter and saying he would deal with it internally.
What is the perception around Rashford's behavior and how does it impact Ten Hag?
-There is a perception that Rashford has shown questionable behavior before, like going out before matches. This makes it harder for Ten Hag as he tries to manage a struggling team and change the culture at the club.
How have other players like Donny van de Beek struggled since joining Manchester United?
-Other big signings like Van de Beek have failed to excel at Manchester United after arriving with a lot of fanfare. This points to wider issues at the club beyond just Rashford's behavior.
What kind of culture has developed amongst players at Manchester United?
-Some feel a problematic 'entitled' culture has developed among players at Manchester United, where they bend rules and lack accountability.
How could Ten Hag have better handled questions about Rashford's absence?
-Instead of calling it an internal matter, Ten Hag could have simply cited illness to give himself breathing room without fueling speculation.
Does Rashford get more leniency because of his performances?
-In the past Rashford got more leniency for bending rules because he was performing well, but his form has dipped which changes the calculus.
Why might Rashford's brother/agent have been called into Carrington?
-With Rashford's unexplained illness and night out, the club may have asked his brother/agent to address additional concerns over his behavior and commitment.
How has fan perception of Rashford changed over time?
-Rashford used to be widely praised by fans but there is now growing frustration over his inconsistent performances and off-field issues.
What long-term changes need to happen at Manchester United?
-To change the culture, United likely needs to hold players more accountable and emphasize the gravity of representing the club.
Outlines
😡 Rashford's night out causes issues for Man Utd
Paragraph 1 discusses Marcus Rashford being left out of Man Utd's squad to face Newport County amid reports he went nightclubbing in Manchester when he claimed he was too ill to train. Manager Erik ten Hag was questioned after the match but said it was an internal matter he would deal with.
🤔 Should ten Hag have handled the Rashford situation differently?
Paragraph 2 debates whether ten Hag should have simply said Rashford was ill rather than saying he would deal with the situation internally, which implies there is an issue to address. It discusses the challenges ten Hag faces in managing Manchester United.
❓ Is ten Hag's approach the right way to handle player issues?
Paragraph 3 questions if using the media is an effective management technique for ten Hag. It suggests he may be trying to send a message about standards and discipline to Rashford and the fans, but asks if it will achieve the desired outcome.
👍 United fans frustrated with Rashford's behavior
Paragraph 4 shares reactions from Manchester United fans expressing frustration with Rashford's conduct. Many feel he should be held accountable and that no player is bigger than the club.
😟 Concerns over ongoing problems with United's culture and player attitudes
Paragraph 5 discusses concerns that issues with Rashford reflect deeper problems with Manchester United's culture and player attitudes, stemming from past managerial regimes. There are worries the current situation suggests standards have slipped.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡illness
💡nightclub
💡internal matter
💡preparation
💡perception
💡discipline
💡culture
💡consistency
💡scrutiny
💡accountability
Highlights
Rashford went out in Belfast earlier in the week before saying he was too ill to attend training
Rashford attended Thompson's Garage nightclub on Thursday night before returning to Manchester on a private flight Friday morning
Ten Hag stuck to saying it's an internal matter when asked about Rashford missing the match
As a manager, when a player takes advantage it is incredibly irritating
Big John Karu broke the rules once so I fined him 2 weeks wages but still played him because I knew he'd be ready
Rashford has some previous incidents so this latest one doesn't help
Ten Hag wants to use the media as a management tool to bring players into line
Rashford is a good player but not world class - top players perform consistently
Ten Hag should have just said Rashford is ill to avoid giving the media a thread to pull on
Rashford's brother and agent are also now at Carrington
Fans feel no player is bigger than the club - get rid of dead weight
There may be a problem in the United squad and dressing room
Previous managers allowed a culture to creep in where players don't grasp the gravity of playing for Man United
Van de Beek and Hannibal haven't worked out on loan showing they weren't good enough for Man United
Rashford used to do no wrong in fans' eyes but now there is frustration over his behavior
Transcripts
because Marcus rashford was not included
in United's traveling Squad uh when it
came to the trip to Newport yesterday
United claimed that that decision was
due to illness but it followed newspaper
reports that rashford went out in
Belfast earlier on in the week um before
saying that he himself was too ill to
attend United's training session on
Friday United were informed that that
rashford was out in Belfast on Wednesday
night where he apparently attended a
nightclub but the following evening um
it turns out that rashford attended
Thompson's Garage nightclub they just
made them famous again on Thursday night
then returning to Manchester on a
private flight the following morning but
nonetheless the excuse that was given
for the no show was that he was too ill
to attend the United training session on
Friday postmatch at Newport um as you
might imagine ten hag was peppered with
questions but stuck to his line he
reported ill for the rest his internal
meta I doal with it sorry Eric why is it
an internal Matter's just done
well as I said it's internal
matter you can understand that raises
more questions than answers
if it face value
he for you but not for me so it's
internal matter I will deal with it it's
an internal matter and ten hag will deal
with it would you have done exactly the
same as ten hag did yesterday Mar well
you know sometimes you're asked asked a
question and you think you're got the
the right answer for it but the minute
you say you'll deal with something means
that there must be some issue to be
dealt with you know beside the point I'm
I don't want to be a Monday Morning
Quarterback here here's the point right
okay this is it you talk the just in
recent time first of all perception is
reality for a start the last thing you
want as a manager is that you're going
through a a tough old time you're
managing a very very big Club results of
not been fantastic you know you're
fighting for your life you're fighting
for the for the club and players in
recent times have been asking they
thought they'd been flogged so they
needed a couple of days off and
apparently he wasn't relenting finally
he's relented so when he's thinking to
himself well okay I've I've I've given
the lads a couple of days off they'll be
back in for Friday for a Sunday game and
then suddenly there's something an issue
comes up like this here it does your
brain in it really does as a manager it
does your brain in and particularly when
you think you know rashford when you
find out the facts and if the facts are
that he is in a a nightclub in Belfast
on a Thursday night it's not the best
preparation for a game it's absolutely
not and you just and it's one more thing
to deal with at the end and and as I say
get back to the point about perception
been reality if you're a winning
football match and you're top of the
league you can deal with us dead dead
easily absolutely these things happen on
more than one occasion at football clubs
I've had to deal with them myself man
but at the end of it all the last thing
you want is just this this coming up and
rashford has a we bit of previous as
well too so it doesn't it doesn't help
at all have you had this when you
managed of course I've had it you want
to name
names well a player that I actually
loved was Big John Karu I love big John
B Big John Big John used to take the he
used to take the rules into his own hand
and and bend them if not actually break
them and and um but the one particular
occasion he had broken the rule he was
down in London when he shouldn't have
been down and I pulled him in I got to
know about this here vicariously believe
it or not and I pulled John in on the
Friday said to him John um you were out
last night no no no no you were out last
night John yes um yeah yeah I was out
for a meal in Birmingham no no you
weren't out for a meal in Birmingham you
were out for a meal in London and it
wasn't just a meal you were actually you
know yeah bre anyway the long and the
short of I said to John I'll tell you
what I'm going to do John I'm going to
do you I'm going to I find you two weeks
wages but I'm going to play you Saturday
because I knew you'd be ready for the
game believe it or not he was fantastic
in the game played really well and would
you believe it after the match is over
he comes knocking on my door and he said
GFF can I have a word he said uh could
uh would you stop that fine the two
weeks way he just fine because he had
played well and scored twice in the game
I said John I'll tell you what I'll do I
will honestly think about it but I'll
tell you and I ended up having a
compromise with him only find him one
week's way one you still find him but
not as much as you're originally going
to Simon Martin's right rashford's got a
bit previous hasn't he um interestingly
both United and rashford's Camp declined
to comment uh when they were contacted
by the source of the story of the
athletic over the weekend but where does
it leave him I mean how much of a
Hardline stance does ten hag now need to
take with rash depends what he's done I
mean ultimately if um you're playing on
a Saturday a lot of managers would let
players go out on a Wednesday um and we
don't know how long he was in a
nightclub for you know he might have
been there till midnight and come home
for all I know I don't know I don't I
don't have the exact details of what
he's done if he's playing on a Sunday
he's gone out on a Thursday the question
is is why is neon training on Friday and
why does why does tenh knowing
anticipating this question need to make
it an internal matter the answer was
he's not very
well that's it that's the end of the
discussion he's chosen chosen to make it
a media matter he doesn't need to deal
with Marcus rashford through the media
if there's a problem with Marcus
rashford R's attitude then he should be
dealing with him um face to face but
he's used terminologies it's nothing to
do with his language or nothing to do
with the fact that he's been caught on
the Hop this question you you don't
bring Marcus right anything with
Manchester United anything that's not
there someone's going to ask you at a
press conference because of the nature
of people's perception of what's
happening at Manchester United ownership
change culture inside the football club
wrong not winning anything everything's
been up up in the air since Alex
Ferguson walked out the door so you know
you're going to get these questions so
the answer would have been really simple
he's not very well
and the rest of it would have taken care
of itself and he would have dealt with
him but for whatever reason he's chosen
to air it you know I don't know whether
this is a a cardinal sin I don't know
whether Marcus rashford is legitimately
unwell and neither does anybody else in
this room and I don't know whether him
going out on a Thursday evening is
anything different than a player going
out on a Wednesday evening which
managers would allow them to do if
they're playing on a Saturday I get that
but why would ten hag opt to say
yesterday he didn't make the training
session uh on the Friday because he's
not very well when he himself doesn't
know whether or not rashford was indeed
well or not well no he's not his doctor
I'm assuming that he's been told he's
not very well so with that in mind by
rashford by rashford I mean how else do
you tell someone you're not very well
you know rashford would have fed in of
and found it or or would have got
someone to fall in so the question is
but he doesn't know himself for sure
that's why no he hasn't stuck aetra of
his Jacki and seen how what his
temperature is no granted but the point
is this is that we're talking about a
manager that's got form for this too so
ask yourself the question why does ten
hog want to do this this this this way
forget rashford you know at this moment
in time rashford can be dealt with and
he's an employee and he's going to be
bought in line or sold that's what
happens to rashford because he's been
going on for too long with him up and
down he's not a top class player he's a
good player because Top Class players
are like that all the time he's like
that like that like that up and down so
Top Class players don't score three five
six seven goals in one season 30 the
next he's a good player but not a
worldclass player the issue is ten ha
and his preparedness to involve the
question to involve the controversy to
involve the Pyon of adverse thinking and
adverse influence and why does he want
to do that because it must be a style of
management because he's done it with
Jaden Sancho by the way I make him right
for doing it for Jaden Sancho I do I
think Jaden Sancho was so is he not
right for doing it this way as well well
but I don't think I don't think it's I
don't think it's a continuing Trend that
works I don't think I don't think it's a
dressing room bonding mentality whether
the players should be have their minds
concentrated if you use the media you
get to use them once or twice you don't
get to use them as a staple diet you
don't get to have that as your default
setting as a management tool I will
bring players into the media to help
concentrate their minds that's not
that's not I don't think the media
didn't get what they wanted yesterday in
question no but they got given a thread
and that's all they need is a thread
right but you let's let's go back into
the the manager's mind for to start as
we said at I said at the beginning the
many the very fact that he mentioned
I'll deal with this situation means that
there's something to deal with that's
the point so may be the wrong choice of
word for a start but but you have to
look at at the other Viewpoint that
you've given players a few days off and
and if if rashford had been in training
at the time on Friday then there would
be nothing said but there's there's
there is an irritance about about about
someone who that you're looking from the
manager's Viewpoint that has had been
given a couple of days off hasn't has
been he has found out eventually maybe
not at that particular time when he was
doing the interview but he's found out
eventually that um that the lad has
actually been in a nightclub on a
Thursday night fine okay still within
his rights that's but then ring rings in
sick and the next day well I'm sorry
that is that is just no wonder you would
blew up with that absolutely because
okay but that's great Martin That's
Wonder would you dealt with this the
same way yesterday you said an internal
no I I think Simon's point exactly I
think you would said you wouldn't say
it's an internal matter you just turn
around and say to give yourself a bit of
breathing space you just say well he's
ill because that's that's because he was
Ill this what he said because I mean I I
I absolutely in professional life or
Football Life or whatever life it is
when when people take the Mickey out of
you and you know they've taking the
Mickey out of you it is incredibly
irritating but that's a difference
between a manager and someone that can't
manage because ultimately you got to
deal with that now is the best way to
deal with that is that going to get you
your outcome we can all run into a room
and give someone a serious telling off
and if we don't know how they're going
to receive it then what's the point of
doing it we feel better we get nothing
from it right so the bottom line is is
that if he's using the media to impart
wisdom and to impart sanctions and it
may well be may he might well be
thinking I'm sick and tired of this kid
being loed and applauded by sections of
the man united fan this is what he does
this is how he behaves himself and I get
that but is that a good management
technique is it going to get you what
you want is it going to get an outcome
from the player does the player need his
backside kicked up around his ears if
indeed this is how he behaves of course
he does and we've all heard that the two
biggest Commodities in football are
money and gossip so we've all heard what
Marcus rashford is getting up to at some
certain times in his private life and
how he lives his life and whatever else
some of it true probably some of it
untrue the point is is that the the the
the the usage of the media is probably
not the default setting that a top
quality manager should want to go how
should you have answered it you you're
saying he should have said he's sick
even although he doesn't know he's sick
he's sick well so it's a white life T
Han says something that he's not 100%
sure about but he just says he what he
doesn't want to do is give people like
us arms and legs so he doesn't want what
would be what's what's but then when it
turns out if it turns out that rashford
wasn't sick the media will then say to
10 hag in seven days from now you got
led up the Garden Path didn't you and
he'll ter and he'll ter said I dealt
with it what I did was what I did was I
gave you a need to know stuff you don't
need to know the ins and outs of my
business I've told you what I was
prepared to tell you at the time because
I want to manage a situation the way I
wanted to manage it not the way you
think I should manage about standards
said he not sure that he he wasn't going
to stand for for certain aspects of
Ronaldo's petulant he wasn't going to
stand for the Jaden Sancho situation
standard standard standard and he's not
going to stand for the rashford
situation if indeed rashford was well
enough to attend training but I do I do
take Sam's Point you can deal with that
there within the confines of the
dressing room you can you can you can
tear a strip off someone within within
the dressing room and let other players
hear if that's the case and it is but
there is a definitely an irritance with
within of this here that you have given
somebody a little bit of time off and
you find out that he's in a nightclub
and then he calls in sick the next
morning but in ter terms of dealing with
it absolutely just say he's ill and then
then he'll deal with it himself yeah KY
here from United fans this morning I
mean we we've known for a while that
rashford isn't the most reliable on on
occasion when it comes to matters like
this and now it appears it appears that
he could well have a face Toof face with
ch hag the sort of which he won't like
where are you with Marcus rashford 0371
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81089 well I mean it's moving along this
morning uh that we know because um Sam
luckhurst of uh the Manchester Evening
News is uh keeping us across it he says
rashford's arrived at carington for
training this morning after reporting on
well on Friday and now tells us
rashford's brother an agent Dwayne
mayard is also at Carrington this
morning um an internal matter the club
acknowledged there is there is a
separate issue to address dress aside
from rashford's
illness now I mean it's all a bit Cloak
and Dagger Simon isn't it can you second
guess for us what that separate issue I
where where where are we going now with
this rashford's there but now the the
agent who happens to be his brother is
there too and another incident on top of
the no show on Friday has also been
added to it's probably the fact he's
been out Wednesday Thursday night and
then one question is Judgment why are
you out on the whz on Wednesday Thursday
T
night well I mean regardless of that
when we talk Manchester United Martin as
you might imagine and you can see it
here at talk sport the switchboard
lights up and this morning is no
different um I'm putting out there this
morning to Manchester United fans 0371
7234 where is your head at the moment
with Marcus rashford where where are you
with this individual with this boy at
your football club and if indeed he he
he he has an excuse that maybe ten hag
decides is no fair excuse and ten hag
operates in a fairly cut and thrust
Manner and rashford's in trouble how
many lives should he have left at
Manchester United Joe's a big United fan
Joe good morning where where do you
stand with this and and the latest the
latest off field story regarding
Marcus look for me I think everyone's
taking this out contacts when it comes
to ten Haag I think he's doing what a
manager should do and that's call out
players who want to not committed to the
club as much as they should be because
he hasn't been his performances have
been absolutely Dreadful and clearly
they don't they they're not
understanding the seriousness of of of
situations that have gone by you know
the Ronaldo situation he got rid of one
of the best players in the world because
he didn't like his attitude the Sancho
situation where he did right in my
opinion where a non-performing player
wasn't picked and now for me rashford
should be on the same chopping block you
know at the end of the day he's not good
enough to play from Manchester United at
the moment and he hasn't been for the
for the last four or five months and and
you can't keep going back on previous
year's performances and saying he did
well last year yeah that's that's it's
all in the past you can't live on the
past you got to live on the future okay
Joe lots of good points here thank you
for that and I think Jared's another
United fan who says quite rightly no
player is bigger than the club
Jared yeah absolutely man he why why
should we protect these players
anymore um you know it should be about
playing for the badge playing for the
team uh and these players think they're
bigger than the club it's awful T hack
shouldn't have to protect these players
anymore get rid of the Dead weights
bring in the youth have you got a
problem with how ten Haag thus far has
handled it saying to the media it's an
internal matter it's an internal matter
no have you got a problem with that J no
no absolutely not absolutely not Jared
thank you for that Dave is another
United fan has been waiting patiently
Dave so many United fans queuing up this
morning to have their say on this but
we'll take your a call what do you think
what are you with rashford at one stage
this lad could do no wrong but now it
appears that uh he's in the news for the
wrong reasons
Dave well for meim It's Just Happening
too much it's not a first time is it
it's happening again and again and is
there a problem with in that Squad
that's my worry I mean I think T is
trying to sort them all out but I'm
worried that he may have lost the
dressing room I think we've got a
problem with these boys at the club I
mean it is not only rashford this
weekend you've got vaner Beek who's been
sent away on loan and he's been hooked
at half time and I believe he's he's
Tred the ball eight times andone nothing
and he's playing for a contract an there
you've got the boy that's gone to
Seville Hannibal who normally shows
massive commitment when he plays for
United at least he tries when the rest
don't uh and he's been hooked at civil
they've sent him home and said you you
you know you've got to get yourself
sorted out we're not happy with you the
way you are at the moment then we about
rashford on the back of sancho as well
and I'm thinking what's going on and I
think Ed's trying to sort the club out
but I worry that he's going to be gone
before he sorts them out you know
because I think I think there's
something wrong in that dressing room I
really really do but I don't know maybe
I'm wrong no David it's a good point
Martin do you sense that it's not just
rashford as Dave the United fan there
suggested why why hasn't it been working
for others at the club who arrived in a
blaz of publicity like Donny van debeck
did um although this is separate a
totally separate matter to the rashford
situation but they don't come through
having Bush onto the scene but they
don't seem to excel the way that they
might have done well yeah I I I don't I
don't think that I don't think the
United manager can be blamed for Van
Deck being taken off when he's on loan
somewhere else no so he's he's been
desperately poor and hanniball is
exactly the same so that that's
irrelevant really but what you're trying
to do is deal with the situations that
you see them not and last last last last
year it it turned out to be a really
decent season for Manchester United and
what everybody's thinking they're going
to push on they're going to be the
Manchester United of all they're going
to be they're going to be competing as
they used to do under Alex Ferguson it
didn't happen and and and sometimes you
do get issues and and you're getting
issues with players and that that does
happen it's how it's how you deal with
them and if someone is is is you know
what if rashford was even uh doing
better this season I think sometimes you
can put up with somebody's you know some
somebody who you know bending the rules
a little bit because on the field it we
bit like I just said there about half an
hour ago about Big John Karu I thought
that John Karu could do something but as
long as the players knew in the dressing
room that they had broken the rules and
that he was going to be fine I thought
there was some sort of reciprocity there
OS didn't it was you the first time yeah
absolutely so from that Viewpoint I
thought that there would be something
like that however if this is a
continuous problem I think you some
somewhere along the way you do have to
stamp down on it you have to sure I mean
at one stage Simon rashford could do no
wrong in the eyes of United fans you can
sense you can sense it there's a
frustration amongst his support about
them now no one will disagree with the
principle that the club is bigger than
the players it's about how you implement
that and what you choose to do to
determine the outcome for those that
think they may be able to do things the
problem is with allowing performances to
dictate how much leniency you get is you
create cultures I I agree Maverick and
people that have a mentality that that
is slightly different should be indulged
a little bit but the problem with
football and it's always been there and
certainly was during my time there was
it's a liberty taken culture and then
Liberties became the norm and the norm
then eventually someone CL clamps down
on an atrocity because they've had just
about enough of it yeah and it's about
how you get the balance between the two
the problem is is with with the
modernday football is that they've got
too much money too many people telling
them that they're too wonderful and
nobody holding them to account we live
in a society where you can only praise
because if you criticize you got why
about people's mental health or some
nonsense of that that order in terms of
telling someone the truth about what
they're doing what they're not doing and
the problem at Manchester United is that
you've had a culture that's been allowed
to creep in I I I don't care how many
times I say this I think that culture
was allowed to creep in under aligon
sire it's there now where these players
have have got a different attitude
towards playing for Man United they
don't get the gravity or the realization
that playing for Man United is a unique
dony van Deek wasn't good enough for Man
United it's got nothing to do with
anything other than that okay but other
cultures like what's happened with Mason
Greenwood happen with other players that
is a culture that pervades football now
well we now know that rashford's brother
and an agent is at Cannington as well
this morning and the club uh according
to uh Sam lockhurst of the Manchester
Evening News the club acknowledge there
is a separate issue to address aside
from rashford's
illness Jim White and Simon Jordan
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