A Song of Ice and Fire: Killing Bran Part 2

Summary

This video dives deep into the mystery surrounding the attempted assassination of Bran Stark in 'Game of Thrones.' It scrutinizes Tyrion and Jaime Lannister's logic in suspecting Joffrey, despite the inconsistencies in their reasoning. The discussion then explores alternative culprits, including Littlefinger and Mance Rayder, offering plausible motives and opportunities. The analysis questions the narrative's coherence, suggesting that the real mastermind behind the attack may be someone unexpected. The video concludes with an invitation to explore more mysteries related to the Night's Watch in future episodes.

Takeaways

• 🔍 Tyrion's logic in implicating Joffrey for the attack on Bran is flawed and contradictory.
• 🗡️ Both Jaime and Cersei also consider Joffrey as a suspect, but their reasoning lacks concrete evidence and is based on assumptions.
• 🤔 Cersei's mention of Robert's possible involvement appears suspicious and could be an attempt to misdirect Jaime.
• 👀 Jaime initially suspects Cersei but shifts the blame to Joffrey, highlighting the inconsistencies in their logic.
• 🐺 The author of the video suggests that Tyrion's scene points more to the Hound, and Jaime's scene points more to Cersei as potential culprits.
• 🧩 The use of Littlefinger's dagger in the attempted assassination is considered too convenient, raising doubts about the simplicity of the explanation.
• 🕵️ Littlefinger's agent and Mance Rayder are both considered possible suspects with motives and the means to carry out the attack on Bran.
• 🛡️ The theory of Littlefinger's involvement is supported by his desire to create conflict between the Starks and Lannisters.
• 🏔️ Mance Rayder's journey to Winterfell and his possible motive for causing chaos in the South are explored as reasons for his involvement.
• ⚔️ The video concludes that the provided explanation involving Joffrey is weak and that alternative theories involving Littlefinger or Mance Rayder are more plausible.

Q & A

What is the main focus of the video script?

The video script focuses on analyzing the mystery of who sent the catspaw to kill Bran Stark in 'Game of Thrones' and breaks down the different characters' logic and potential motives, including Tyrion, Jaime, Cersei, and others.

Why does Tyrion believe Joffrey is responsible for the catspaw attack on Bran?

Tyrion's belief in Joffrey's guilt is based on flawed logic, including the assumption that Joffrey both knew and didn't know about Valyrian steel, and that Joffrey made certain statements he never actually made. However, Tyrion's reasoning is shown to lack merit.

What is Jaime's conclusion regarding who sent the catspaw, and how does Cersei influence this?

Jaime, with Cersei's influence, eventually concludes that Joffrey sent the catspaw. Cersei provides a motive related to Robert Baratheon, which Jaime initially questions but ultimately leads him to suspect Joffrey, despite the lack of direct evidence.

How does the script critique the logic used by Tyrion and Jaime to implicate Joffrey?

The script critiques Tyrion's logic as inconsistent and unsubstantiated, and notes that Jaime's reasoning, while better, is also flawed. It highlights that both characters come to the same conclusion about Joffrey despite using opposing logic, which raises doubts about the validity of their conclusions.

What alternative culprits are suggested in the script, and why?

The script suggests two alternative culprits: Littlefinger and Mance Rayder. Littlefinger is implicated due to his potential motive to create a Stark-Lannister feud, while Mance Rayder is considered because he was in Winterfell at the time and might have seen killing Bran as an act of mercy.

What role does Littlefinger's unnamed agent play in the theory about the catspaw attack?

Littlefinger's unnamed agent is suggested as a possible culprit, as this agent was in Winterfell at the time and could have hired the catspaw to attack Bran, thus furthering Littlefinger's goal of causing conflict between the Starks and Lannisters.

Why is Mance Rayder considered a suspect in the catspaw attack?

Mance Rayder is considered a suspect because he was secretly in Winterfell during the time of the attack and had a possible motive to create turmoil in the south and weaken Winterfell. His wildling background also makes him more likely to view killing Bran as an act of mercy.

How does the script address the issue of the Valyrian steel dagger used in the attack?

The script questions why anyone, including Joffrey, would use a Valyrian steel dagger that could be traced back to them, suggesting that this choice makes little sense and adds to the mystery of who truly sent the catspaw.

What are some of the logical inconsistencies pointed out in the script regarding the investigation into the catspaw attack?

The script points out inconsistencies such as Tyrion's contradictory thoughts on Joffrey's knowledge of Valyrian steel, Cersei's dubious recollection of conversations, and the implausibility of certain characters' actions, all of which raise doubts about the conclusions drawn by the characters.

What does the script ultimately suggest about the true identity of the person who sent the catspaw?

The script suggests that the true identity of the person who sent the catspaw remains unresolved, with multiple plausible theories but no definitive answer. It raises the possibility that the author of 'Game of Thrones' may have intentionally left the narrative open for further exploration or to create doubt among close readers.

Outlines

00:00

🕵️‍♂️ The Enigma of the Catspaw's Employer

This paragraph delves into the mystery surrounding the identity of the person who sent the catspaw to assassinate Bran Stark. It critiques Tyrion Lannister's flawed logic that initially implicates Joffrey Baratheon, highlighting inconsistencies and the lack of evidence. The discussion also includes Jaime Lannister's conclusion, influenced by Cersei, that points towards King Robert Baratheon as a potential suspect, despite the artificial nature of the motive presented. The paragraph explores the implausibility of the suspects and the narrative misdirection that seems to cloud the truth.

05:00

🔍 Opposing Logics Converging on Joffrey

The second paragraph examines the differing logics used by Tyrion and Jaime to arrive at the same conclusion that Joffrey may be the culprit behind the catspaw's attack. It contrasts Tyrion's view of Joffrey as arrogant and vicious with Jaime's belief in Joffrey's insecurity and desire for paternal approval. The summary also raises questions about the author's intentions with the narrative, suggesting the possibility of misdirection and the introduction of other potential suspects, such as the Hound or Cersei, who may have had motives to kill Bran.

10:02

🏰 The Theories of Littlefinger and Mance Rayder

This paragraph introduces alternative theories for the catspaw's employer, focusing on the potential involvement of Littlefinger and Mance Rayder. It explores the possibility of Littlefinger's agent being the catspaw and the strategic benefits this would present for Littlefinger's plans. The paragraph also considers Mance Rayder's presence at Winterfell and his motives for wanting to see Robert Baratheon and Benjen Stark, suggesting that his journey could have had ulterior motives related to the stability of the North.

15:03

🤔 The Unlikely Mance Rayder and the Mystery's Enduring Questions

The final paragraph continues to explore the theory of Mance Rayder as a suspect, discussing the cultural practices of the wildlings and their potential for mercy killings, which aligns with the catspaw's claim of mercy. It also addresses the coincidence of the catspaw choosing Littlefinger's dagger and the implausibility of the official narrative involving Joffrey. The paragraph concludes with an acknowledgment of the enduring mystery and the open-ended question of who truly sent the catspaw, leaving the audience in anticipation of future revelations.

Keywords

💡Catspaw

The term 'catspaw' refers to the assassin who attempted to kill Bran Stark after his fall. The identity and motive of this assassin are central mysteries in the story, with various characters like Tyrion, Jaime, and Cersei Lannister speculating about who might have sent the catspaw. The investigation into this mystery drives much of the intrigue and suspicion between the characters.

💡Valyrian Steel

Valyrian steel is a rare and powerful material used to forge some of the most legendary weapons in Westeros, known for its sharpness and strength. In the context of the video, the catspaw's dagger is made of Valyrian steel, making it a significant clue in the mystery of who tried to kill Bran. The video discusses the inconsistencies in Tyrion's logic about whether Joffrey would have known about such a material.

💡Joffrey Baratheon

Joffrey Baratheon is a central figure suspected by both Tyrion and Jaime Lannister of ordering the attack on Bran Stark. The video explores the conflicting logic used by the characters to justify their suspicions of Joffrey, contrasting his perceived arrogance and viciousness with his possible desire for approval from his supposed father, Robert Baratheon.

💡Mance Rayder

Mance Rayder, the King-Beyond-the-Wall, is another suspect in the mystery of who sent the catspaw. The video suggests that Mance might have had a motive to create turmoil between the Starks and Lannisters by attacking Bran. His presence at Winterfell during Robert Baratheon's visit, disguised as a minstrel, adds to the complexity of the mystery.

💡Littlefinger

Littlefinger, or Petyr Baelish, is known for his manipulative and cunning nature. The video speculates that Littlefinger might have been behind the attack on Bran as part of a larger scheme to create conflict between the Starks and Lannisters. His involvement would align with his broader goal of sowing chaos for his own gain.

💡Guest Right

Guest right is a sacred custom in Westeros where a host must not harm a guest after they have eaten at their table. Mance Rayder references this concept when discussing his risky infiltration of Winterfell, suggesting that once he had eaten at Ned Stark's table, he believed himself to be safe. This highlights the tension between ancient customs and the dangers lurking in the world of Westeros.

💡Robert Baratheon

Robert Baratheon, the king at the time of Bran's fall, is another figure implicated in the mystery. Cersei Lannister recalls a drunken conversation where Robert supposedly expressed a belief in mercy-killing crippled children, which might have been overheard and acted upon by someone like Joffrey. This connection adds another layer of complexity to the mystery.

💡Mercy Killing

Mercy killing is a recurring theme in the video, where it is suggested that the attempted murder of Bran Stark might have been motivated by a belief in sparing him from a life of suffering. This idea is explored through the lens of different characters, including Robert Baratheon and the wildlings, who have different cultural attitudes toward mercy killings.

💡Cersei Lannister

Cersei Lannister is a key character whose involvement in the catspaw incident is debated. The video discusses how Cersei might have deflected suspicion from herself by bringing up Robert's drunken comments and making a joke about Marcella, which ultimately leads Jaime to suspect Joffrey. Her actions and words contribute to the confusion and suspicion surrounding the mystery.

💡Bran Stark

Bran Stark, the young boy who survives a fall that leaves him comatose, is the target of the assassination attempt. The mystery of who sent the catspaw to kill him is a central plot point in the series, with various characters and theories explored in the video. Bran's survival and subsequent journey are pivotal to the unfolding of the larger story in Westeros.

Highlights

Tyrion's logic for implicating Joffrey in Bran's assassination attempt is flawed, as it relies on contradictory assumptions about Joffrey's knowledge and character.

Both Tyrion and Jaime independently conclude that Joffrey is the culprit behind Bran's attempted murder, but they reach this conclusion using opposing logic.

Jaime initially suspects Cersei as the one who sent the assassin to kill Bran, but then shifts the blame to Joffrey, influenced by Cersei's statements.

Cersei's denial of involvement in Bran's assassination attempt is suspicious, as she tries to deflect blame onto Robert Baratheon and then jokingly suggests Marcella might be the culprit.

Jaime's conclusion that Joffrey was seeking Robert's approval by attempting to kill Bran is based on Joffrey's history of seeking his father's praise, even in misguided ways.

The analysis suggests that both Tyrion's and Jaime's reasoning for suspecting Joffrey are flawed, potentially pointing to other culprits like the Hound or Cersei.

The use of a Valyrian steel dagger in the assassination attempt is questioned, as it seems illogical for the true culprit to use a traceable weapon.

Littlefinger's involvement is considered a strong possibility, as he had a motive to incite conflict between the Starks and Lannisters, and a mysterious agent of his was present at Winterfell.

Mance Rayder is proposed as another potential culprit, given his presence at Winterfell during the time of the assassination attempt and his possible motives to create turmoil in the south.

Mance's story of sneaking into Winterfell under the guise of a musician is highlighted as highly risky and potentially motivated by a desire to weaken both the Wall and Winterfell.

The coincidence of the catspaw using Littlefinger's dagger is noted as a significant clue, but it complicates the theory that Mance Rayder was behind the assassination attempt.

The analysis raises questions about whether the inconsistencies in the narrative are intentional misdirections by the author, suggesting there may be more to the mystery.

The role of Val, Mance Rayder's sister-in-law, is highlighted, particularly her beliefs about mercy killings, which could align with the motive to kill Bran.

The transcript emphasizes that the mystery of who sent the catspaw remains unresolved and that there are plausible alternatives to the official explanation involving Joffrey.

The narrative suggests that the truth behind Bran's assassination attempt may be revealed in future books, as the author has left the mystery open-ended.

Transcripts

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so in part one we discussed the unsolved

mystery of who sent the catspaw to kill

bran and we broke down Tyrians logic in

implicating Joffrey only to find that

his logic is completely without merit

Tyrians argument relies on Joffrey to be

both a stranger and not a stranger to

Valyrian steel

it relies on Joffrey to be both stupid

and clever and it relies on Joffrey

saying something he never said there is

little reason to suspect Joffrey and yet

weirdly tyrion is not the only person to

come to this conclusion

jaime comes to this conclusion as well

with a little help from Cersei and they

seem to have something that Tyrion

couldn't come up with a motive let's

revisit the scene and breakdown their

logic at Riverrun Catelyn Stark seemed

convinced I'd sent some footpad to slit

her son's throat that I'd given him a

dagger that she said scornfully Tyrion

asked me about that so first of all we

know of no such conversation happening

between Tyrion and Cersei Tyrion talks

to Cersei about Jon Aaron's murder but

not Brandon the dagger

Tyrion means to talk to Littlefinger

about the dagger and never gets around

to it so I'm not certain what Cersei is

talking about perhaps this conversation

happens off screen but neither Cersei

nor tyrion ever think about it which is

odd as Tyrion specifically Ponder's

whether Cersei is guilty or not and if

Tyrion had asked Cersei about it when

the conversation have unraveled much

like this scene there was a dagger the

scars on Lady Catalans hands were real

enough she showed them to me did you oh

don't be absurd

Cersei closed the window yes I hope the

boy would die so did you even Robert

thought that would have been the best we

kill our horses when they break a leg

and our dogs when they go blind but we

are too weak to give the same mercy to

crippled children he told me he was

blind into self at the time from drink

it's interesting to note that Jamie's

first conclusion is that Cersei sent the

cat's paw which means Jaime lied to cat

about how open he is with Cersei or at

least changed his mind about it now

Cersei denies it but then out of the

blue brings up Robert who just so

happens to be the owner of the dagger

then she provides a motive for Robert

to boot and I will say it's a bit weird

that Cersei is able to retell Roberts

drunken story so well it definitely

feels artificial and this wouldn't be

the first time

Cersei tried to pin something on Robert

Jaime though is unconvinced that Robert

is the culprit his drunken rants cannot

be taken seriously

Robert Jaime had guarded the king long

enough to know that Robert Baratheon

said things in his cups that he would

have denied angrily the next day were

you alone when Robert said this you

don't think he said it to Ned Stark I

hope of course we were alone us and the

children

Cersei removed her hair nets and draped

it over a bedpost then she shook out her

golden curls perhaps Marcella sent this

man with the dagger do you think so

it was meant as mockery but she'd cut

right to the heart of it Jaime saw it

once not Marcella Joffrey Cersei frowned

Joffrey had no love for Robb Stark but

the younger boy was nothing to him he

was only a child himself a child hungry

for a pat on the head from that softie

let him believe was his father

so here Jaime is asking who else heard

Robert's supposed comment because he's

clearly searching for another culprit

besides Robert interestingly Cersei

first claims that they were alone which

of course would implicate her again but

then adds the children implicating them

as well then Cersei makes a rather

clumsy joke it was actually Marcella of

course by mentioning the children in the

first place one's mind should

immediately go to Joffrey among the

children he's the most obvious choice

being the oldest and the most

independent it Cersei weirdly jokes that

Marcella did it was it a clumsy

misdirection for being a failed joke

it's incredibly effective

Jaime believes it cuts right to the

heart of it and he concludes at once

that Joffrey did it it's interesting

that a crime that Jamie first attributes

to Cersei is now being pinned on a dead

person no Jaime statement that Joffrey

was hungry for a pat on the head does

seem to be accurate as far as we know

Joffrey spoke of Robert as a role model

and he did once try to show his dad a

mutilated cat and its feet a litter that

said the last time he mutilated

something for his father he got beaten

for it so it's odd that Joffrey is a 10

another mutilation for affection attempt

now Jimmy's logic is much better than

Tyrians but it should be noted that it

relies on Geoffrey's character being

nearly the opposite of Tyrians

assessment Tyrion thinks Joffrey is

arrogant and vicious while Jamie's

deduction relies on him being insecure

and in need of a Father's love while

taking on an act that's supposed to be

seen as merciful so it's interesting

that Jaime and Tyrion come to the same

conclusion with opposing logic and so in

the end we find that on close

examination Tyrion seen actually points

more to the Hound as the culprit and

close examination of Jaime's scene

actually points more to Cersei as the

culprit is this accidental or is our

author trying to inject more doubt this

isn't to say that the Hound or Cersei is

the actual culprit yes the Hound

expressed a desire for brand to die and

a desire to sneak into his chambers and

the Hound did spend a lot of time with

Arya talking about the gift of mercy but

he also confessed all of his crimes to

Arya in order to get her to kill him one

would think he would have mentioned

hiring a cat's paw to kill Oreos brother

and yes Cersei wanted to keep the incest

a secret and did discuss killing bran

with Jamie and yes she does appear to be

deflecting blame regarding the attack

but would Cersei really be dumb enough

to use a dagger that could be traced

back to her

Tyrion didn't think so but that really

is the heart of the issue would anyone

be dumb enough to use a dagger that

could be traced back to them why even

provided dagger daggers and knives

aren't hard to come by and even if one

couldn't find one a good old rock or

strangling could have worked even

assuming Joffrey were a complete and

utter

it's absolutely baffling that he would

assume he needed to supply a dagger why

why supply a dagger seriously would

patch face or Hodor or jingle bell even

make this mistake it's simply a folly

that goes well beyond idiocy and

carelessness now one could say sure it

doesn't make sense but our author isn't

perfect and he hasn't created a perfect

story perhaps this is always a

possibility and his statement that the

issue would be resolved in a Storm of

Swords certainly supports this but it's

also quite clear that our author is

adding misdirection while providing the

suppose

solution why heptarian drunk while

riddling things out

why have Tyrion think Joffrey knows

Valyrian steel only to not know Valyrian

steel only to know Valyrian steel again

why have Tyrion remember send a dog to

kill a wolf when it was sent a dog to

kill a dog why have Cersei claimed she

had a discussion with Tyrion about the

dagger when she didn't why have a

remember some long drunken quote from

Robert verbatim out of the blue and why

have her joke about Marcella doing the

crime when Joffrey is the more obvious

choice at some point the lack of logic

builds up to a point where it no longer

seems like author error now perhaps our

author is leaving the narrative open

because he wants to add more or perhaps

he simply likes having a mystery or

perhaps you screwing with the close

readers or perhaps there's another

explanation because there are other

explanations

in fact lurking in Winterfell there are

not one but two very suspicious

characters who have a knack for sneaking

around undetected and who would probably

want to kill bran the first such

character is Littlefinger's unnamed

agent and yes Littlefinger definitely

had a man at Winterfell if you remember

back in a game of Thrones after brands

fall a mysterious character leaves a box

for maester Luwin the box contains a

Meera schlenz

making Luanne think he must look closer

lo and behold hidden in the box is a

message from Lysa lying to Katalin and

telling her that Jon Arryn was murdered

by the Lannisters a couple of books

later in a Storm of Swords we find out

that Lysa was instructed to write this

letter by Littlefinger so it seems that

the two of them together arranged for

this agent to head to Winterfell and

drop off the box now of course this

letter is interesting it definitely

shows that Littlefinger was trying to

create a stark Lannister feud the letter

caused Ned to come south to King's

Landing to find the truth about Jon

Aaron's murder and then Littlefinger

provided Ned a list of servants he

should talk to and then the servants

pointed net in the direction of the

armorer

were Ned fine to Gendry and in the

direction of the brothel where he finds

the babe in fact Littlefinger himself

brings Ned to this brothel and so Ned

was well on his way to discovering

Circe's infidelity

largely thanks to Littlefinger now on

the one hand it's pretty clear that a

Littlefinger caused conflict was going

to happen we

or without the dagger on the other hand

if the dagger does play beautifully into

little fingers hand almost too

beautifully of all the daggers that the

cat's paw uses it just so happens to be

little fingers dagger and when cat tells

net about the dagger in King's Landing

the Whole meeting allows Littlefinger to

gain trust with Ned and the lie that

Littlefinger tells that it's perience

dagger leads to cat kidnapping Tyrion

which essentially sparks the war so it's

the dagger part of Littlefinger's plan

or is Littlefinger just lucky and a

really great improviser it's hard to say

it would in some ways fit very nicely

for little fingers agent to have hired

the Kasbah or for little figures agent

and the cat's paw to be one in the same

that said brands fall was rather

unexpected occurring well Littlefinger

was down in King's Landing it would be

very bold for little fingers agent to

take the initiative to kill brand

himself then again over three weeks pass

between brands fall and when bran is

attacked and this is a story where cross

world communication can occur via

various means like Ravens Dreams glass

candles where woods and flames so while

we don't have any evidence that

Littlefinger was able to communicate

with this agent over the course of three

weeks it wouldn't be too surprising if

he did now at this point I would list

problems with the Littlefinger theory

but there really aren't any other than

the challenge of communicating with this

agent and Winterfell over a three-week

period all in all it makes perfect sense

for this to be a little fingers crime an

attack on brand whether successful or

not

builds on the stark paranoia against the

Lannisters already established in lysis

letter if the Starks happen to ask

Littlefinger about it as they did he can

pin it on Tyrion if the Starks happen to

discover the true owner of the dagger

Robert it implicates people around him

like Cersei Jaime or Joffrey

so is Littlefinger the culprit well the

thing is there is another character at

Winterfell who is equally likely it's

none other than Mance Rayder the

king-beyond-the-wall that's right he was

hanging around Winterfell at this time

as well in a Storm of Swords mance

rayder tells us of this adventure to

Winterfell a fairly crazy story when it

comes down to it when your father

learned the king was coming he sent word

to his brother Benjen on the wall so he

might come down for the feast there is

or commerce between the black brothers

and the free folk than you know and soon

word came to my ears as well it was to

choice of a chance to resist your uncle

did not know me by sight so I had no

fear from that quarter and I did not

think your father was like to remember a

young crow he'd met briefly years before

I wanted to see Robert with my own eyes

King to King and get a measure of your

uncle Benjen as well he was first Ranger

by then and the bane of all my people so

I saddled my fleetest horse and rode so

here we find out that news travels

pretty fast up north apparently mance

somehow quickly heard about the feast

because benjin was heading south not

exactly sure how or why this rumor would

reach mance so quickly but again our

story has a number of ways for cross

world communication mance kaleem's

commerce but mance may have a spy in the

watch and he also has a Rell's eagle at

his disposal now Robert never indicates

when he left or when he would arrive so

it's a bit odd that mance thinks he can

beat him nonetheless mance sets off with

the motive of wanting to see Robert and

benjin with his own eyes now I have to

say that this motive seems pretty

unlikely this trip to Winterfell and

back should take two to three months

Geon and Tyrion took three weeks to go

from Winterfell to the wall by horse

mantas trip is further and he's on foot

for much of it and these two to three

months would be precious for mance as he

tries to rally and prepare the free folk

for their attack on the wall and a poor

use of time is not the only thing that

makes this mode of dubious the wall can

stop an army but not a man alone

I took a loot and a bag of silver scaled

the ice near Long Barrow walked a few

leagues south of the new gift and bought

a horse oh and all I made much better

time than Robert who is traveling with a

ponderous great wheelhouse to keep his

Queen and comfort a day south of

Winterfell I came upon him and fell in

with his company Free Riders and hedged

nights are always attaching themselves

to Royal processions in hopes of finding

service with the king and my loot gained

me easy acceptance so it's not just that

mance spent two to three months to go to

Winterfell and back mance scales the

wall a dangerous and arduous feat then

walks across the gift and the

you gift and then some 53 leagues in

total or 180 miles

he then buys a horse on ombre lands

another dangerous feat and then he rides

to Winterfell and integrates in with the

Free Riders another dangerous feat all

while hoping Ned or anyone else wouldn't

recognize him

I know every body song that's ever been

made north or south of the wall so there

you are

the night your father feasted Robert I

sat in the back of his Hall on a banks

with the other Free Riders listening to

Orland of Old Town play the high harp

and sing of dead kings beneath the sea

Ivan took your father's meat and Mead

had a look at the Kingslayer an imp and

maid passing note of Lord Eddard's

children and the wolf pups that ran at

their heels

if you'd been discovered taken your

father would have had my head the king

gave a shrug though once I had eaten at

his board I was protected by guests

right so John is completely taken aback

on how risky manses stunt is but man

shrugs it off because of guests right

which doesn't really make any sense

execution or not if mance were

discovered he would have still been

captured and put in jail forever the

entire wildling campaign to head south

would have come to an end so let's put

this in perspective a two to three-month

arduous and dangerous journey that

jeopardizes the fate of an entire people

all for the whimsical desire to look

upon Robert and benjin with one's own

eyes that is simply insanity patch face

wouldn't do that

Hodor wouldn't do that jingle bell

wouldn't do that when it comes down to

it there must be another reason for

mance to have made this journey but what

could it be well I will say that history

tells us that the wildlings have invaded

the realm before and each time their

strength was broken on the wall or by

the power of Winterfell on the other

side that latter part is important as if

mance rayder had a sufficient plan for

invading the north it would involve

dealing with not just the wall but

Winterfell as well after all crushing

the Nights Watch is meaningless if

there's an army of 20,000 on the other

side ready to cut you to pieces and I

will say it's astoundingly lucky for

mance that the War of the five kings

broke out when it did Robb took his army

south leaving the

with no forces to send to help defend

against the wildlings

Lord Commander Mormont's himself says

that the Stark lannister feud has

created a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity

for mance the War of the five kings

played right into manses hand

I mean besides Stannis the point being

mance like Littlefinger has a motive to

create turmoil between the Starks and

the Lannisters and looking for

opportunity to create turmoil would

justify a two to three-month trip and

there are a few things interesting about

manses story that fit with the cat's paw

first of all mance says that he brought

a lute and a bag of silver as it happens

a bag of silver was found among the

possessions of the cat's claw and man

says that he integrated in with the

hedge knives and the Free Riders to gain

access to Winterfell and Tyrion did

hypothesize that the cat's paw would

have been among the Free Riders and

mance does say that he spent time

watching the stark children it's a

pretty big coincidence and if mance

isn't the culprit that would mean there

were two men among the Free Riders both

with bags of silver both watching Brand

who would both want him dead now you may

wonder is it really in mance rayder's

personality to kill a comatose boy he

seems such a jolly character the answer

is absolutely in fact of all of the

characters at Winterfell

he is the most likely to want to kill a

comatose boy if you remember Cersei

tells the story of Robert lamenting that

Westerosi society isn't strong enough to

give mercy to crippled children whether

Robert said this or not may be unknown

but there is truth in the idea that

highborn Westeros II don't normally kill

children with disabilities afflictions

or abnormalities after all

Tyrion jinglebell and serene are all

proof of this but you know what society

does do this wildling society in fact

this is a conversation between John and

manse's sister-in-law Val about Shireen

and her greyscale the great death is

what we call it it's not always mortal

and children north of the wallet is

hemlock is a sure cure but a pillow or a

blade will work just as well if I had

given birth to that poor child I would

have given her the gift of mercy long

ago I want the monster out of there him

and his wet nurses you cannot leave them

in that same Tower as the dead

girl she is not dead she is her mother

cannot see it nor you it seems yet death

is there so unlike those south of the

wall

wildlings do believe in giving mercy to

children and are strong enough to follow

through with it Val claims 100 percent

of children with greyscale or mercy

killed north of the wall it is quite

interesting that Val uses the term mercy

and mentions killing a child with a

blade and mentions that Shireen is

already dead and our catspaw with a

blade in hand said it's a mercy he's

dead already so all in all killing brand

would simply be a win-win for mance he

would create turmoil in the south and

weaken Winterfell while giving mercy to

a poor comatose child in fact there's

only one downside to the mance rayder

theory and that is it's still a pretty

big coincidence that the cat's paw

happened to choose little fingers dagger

when stealing a dagger to frame the

Lannisters of course the coincidence of

little fingers dagger is a downside of

Joffrey being the culprit as well and

there you have it two explanations that

make way more sense than the explanation

we have been given with Joffrey which

frankly makes little to no sense at all

will we ever find out the truth will we

ever find out who really sent the cat's

paw only time will tell and that's all

for our murder mysteries once again I'm

probably wrong about half of this and

next time we'll be delving into a number

of videos on the Nights Watch we'll see

you then