Louis Theroux's View Of Andrew Tate
Summary
TLDRLouis explains how starting his own production company forced him out of his comfort zone, though his wife pushed him towards it. He discusses his anti-materialism, wearing an inexpensive Casio watch and not caring about flash cars or clothes. This contrasts Andrew Tate's brash displays of wealth. Louis attributes his interview style to natural curiosity about different people and not wanting to berate guests, even those with extreme views. He aims for a win-win, assuming the honesty of guests and seeking shared understanding.
Takeaways
- 😊 He doesn't care about flashy displays of wealth and actively avoids them
- 🚘 His wife encouraged him to start his own company despite his hesitations
- 📺 He felt odd not owning the TV shows he was making after hundreds of hours
- 🎥 Finds pleasure in the craft of creating TV - being on location, feeling it go well
- 🤝 Connects with people through natural curiosity about why they do what they do
- 🧠 More interested in people's inner thinking than confronting or attacking them
- 🌈 Sees interviews as potential win-wins rather than trying to catch people out
- 🙇 Comes from a place of humility, open to others having it figured out more
- 🔍 Loves bumping up against and exploring odd or extreme perspectives
- 📝 Key is not going in to 'get' the guest but to understand their world
Q & A
Why was Lewis initially reluctant to start his own company?
-He was comfortable working for the BBC, enjoyed the steady salary and security, and didn't want the stress or risk of running his own business. His wife encouraged him to start his own production company.
What does Lewis mean when he says he wants to be the 'anti-Tate'?
-He doesn't care about flashy displays of wealth and ostentatious cars and clothes like internet personality Andrew Tate. Lewis purposefully wears an inexpensive Casio watch instead.
How does Lewis derive happiness and fulfillment?
-From the simple pleasures of his work - being on location, feeling connected in an interview, the craft of editing and putting a piece together.
How does Lewis connect with and understand people he interviews?
-Through natural curiosity about why people do what they do, getting out of his own way, and not coming from a place of wanting to berate them or be confrontational.
Why doesn't Lewis tend to interview politicians?
-He feels they often have their guard up and are too focused on being risk-averse instead of revealing something genuine, which he isn't as interested in.
What is Lewis's approach to interviews?
-He comes from a place of shared inquiry, assuming the truth will come out, and that the other person may have valuable insights he lacks. He aims for a win-win dynamic.
How did the positive Times review make Lewis feel?
-It gave him a nice sense of validation that people appreciate and value the work he does.
What does Lewis think is key for connecting with interview subjects?
-Approaching without judgement or confrontation, and instead seeking to understand their perspective and motivation.
What interview tactics does Lewis avoid and why?
-Beratement and heavy confrontation that would make the guest defensive and unlikely to reveal deeper truths.
What mindset does Lewis try to have during interviews?
-Immersed but thoughtful - asking probing questions while also being attentive and non-distracted, aiming for a revealing encounte.
Outlines
😕 Regret over not having a company and relying on BBC
The paragraph discusses how the speaker regrets not starting his own company earlier and instead relying on working for the BBC, feeling like it was infantilizing. He was content as a creature of habit but his wife pushed him to take the entrepreneurial leap. He's glad he did even though he has an antagonism towards flashy displays of wealth.
😌 Simple joys like cooking bring happiness, not materialism
This paragraph suggests most people, like the speaker, find happiness in simple intrinsically fulfilling activities rather than material possessions. He enjoys the craft of his work interviewing people and connecting with them out of natural curiosity rather than confronting or berating them.
😊 Assume others might have insights to share
The speaker explains he doesn't approach interviews seeking to berate the interviewee or catch them out, but rather assumes they might have valuable insights to share. He aims for a win-win exchange built on curiosity and assumes the other person might understand something he doesn't.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡curiosity
💡connection
💡understanding
💡disarming
💡humility
💡win-win
💡pleasure
💡self-sabotage
💡confrontation
💡openness
Highlights
I don't want a flash car I don't want to, flash clothes I don't want anything I, want to be anti-flash right
when I finally went outside the BBC and, set up a company three or four years ago,
it was, my wife who pushed me to do it and so,
that was a case of me needing to break, out of whatever I was doing and say do,
I'm the anti-tate, when I finally went outside the BBC and,
last night my wife said it might, be time for a new watch I've got to, embrace I'm trying to lean into being, the guy,
so I needed to, start a company and not because it's,
oddly infantilizing after a while like, there's nothing there's nothing cool, about,
being a creature of, habit being sort of embracing or, whatever that you know your own sense of,
I needed to challenge myself, in order to discover that there was a,
you don't seem to be, compelled or, um or derive your happiness from like, the big wanky stuff
how do you, connect with people so actually I wanted,
I'm genuinely thinking like why, if it is someone like say a Neo-Nazi or,
inject life generally those who like seek to, one even on our personal relationships, and romantic relationships those that,
I certainly like well there's no there's, no reason why you shouldn't tell me the, truth,
Transcripts
I don't want a flash car I don't want to
flash clothes I don't want anything I
want to be anti-flash right he's that
guy reduced to its quintessence
unapologetically troll like ostentatious
displays of wealth and arrogance right
so I'm the anti-tate
when I finally went outside the BBC and
set up a company three or four years ago
I'm sure most of your listeners probably
have their own many of them not most but
many of them will have their own
companies or will be fully cognizant of
what it takes to make it in the sort of
the world of of a free market and
Entrepreneurship but for me that was
just absolutely not my lane and it was
my wife who pushed me to do it and so
that was a case of me needing to break
out of whatever I was doing and say do
you know what whatever you think that is
you're risky or mysterious or
um you know a bit a spivvy you know like
just a little judgment like oh I don't
want to be one of the Yuppie guys like
we just had an IPO and I've just got my
first Maserati like that because I'm I'm
antagon you know I'm completely that
whole mindset I feel like I'm alienating
maybe some of your list is like it's not
my mindset like I'm just like I I almost
valorize the opposite of that you know
to and it's probably
um an extent that's so faintly unhealthy
like like I don't want to be the guy I
don't want a flash car I don't want to
flash clothes I don't want anything I
want to be anti-flash right like my
watch you can see this my wife was
saying to me last night
um you know maybe time for a new watch
this is a Casio whatever that one is
it's a f91w these cost like 10 pounds 15
pounds you can get them at Argos have
you ever seen that watch before I have
Andrew Tate on the way here a podcast
you know who Andrew is yeah what's your
anyway it feels like he's that guy
reduced to its quintessence where he's
like if one of his catchphrases was um
people say why have you got a you know
Green Bugatti
did you know this Meme and what does he
say to them he says um well he says what
college I say to them what color is your
Bugatti
right that's him in a nutshell is like
unapologetically troll like ostentatious
displays of wealth and arrogance right
so I'm the anti-tate you can put that on
my you put that on my gravestone the
anti-tate
so I'm like I don't give a [ __ ] about
your Bugatti I think it's embarrassing
that you have one no offense no I don't
I don't have a car but you know fine you
know and that's kind of a joke like
that's I my point really is that that's
something I need to keep an eye on you
know because actually ostentatious
almost like ostentatious humility is its
own poison like like why are you so
wedded to the idea of having a [ __ ]
watch by the way it's not a [ __ ] watch
it's completely reliable and it's I've
never had it the only thing that goes on
it is the strap so so I've got one
that's got a you can replace the strap
after about five years the strap goes
I've got two of these I'm not bragging
I've got one I've got my I've got my
spare one in case I can't find this one
anyway last night my wife said it might
be time for a new watch I've got to
embrace I'm trying to lean into being
the guy
that isn't showing off about what a lack
of what a not show off he is you think
I've lost the thread I haven't the point
I'm getting to is that um so I needed to
start a company and not because it's
oddly infantilizing after a while like
there's nothing there's nothing cool
about
making like hundreds of hours of TV and
not owning any of it right that's just
me being a little bit of a chump and
partly that's you know there's a quid
pro quo I suppose like well you don't
get stressed you turn up you're making
things for a public broadcaster you're
getting a decent salary for sure
but people would say like what you know
everyone else
so who do you work for it's like well
I'm in BBC I'm on contract I work from
contract to contract three years at a
time
like really you don't have your own
company like no why not like you know
because everyone else does like Jamie
Oliver or Hugh Fernley witting stall or
or you know whoever you care to mention
any presenter
of any longevity
um would would be making their own shows
you know it's it is it's a no-brainer
and I was like I guess I just I'm fine
doing my I'm a creature of habit you
know that was sort of what I've just so
fine I don't want to mess around with it
and then having done it three or four
years ago like yeah I probably should
have should have done it a bit earlier
but it it's so so it's that thing of um
the point which is now landing on the
point sounds a bit vanilla was that you
can sort of get in being a creature of
habit being sort of embracing or
whatever that you know your own sense of
self as
um risk averse and
um conventional sometimes you know I
needed to challenge myself
in order to discover that there was a
you know a world out there that was sort
of more creative more lucrative more fun
more adventurous you don't seem to be
compelled or
um or derive your happiness from like
the big wanky stuff from like the
Lamborghini the Bugatti the bafta yeah
what colors your Bugatti the GQ Man of
the Year stuff you simply seem to drive
it from the the simple intrinsically
fulfilling things like you know cooking
listening to a thing that's
intellectually stimulating so maybe
we're all like maybe everyone else is a
weirdo and you're actually incredibly
normal I don't know I think there's more
of us out there
than you might think but maybe not
we're all trapped in our own brains
there's no way of measuring I do think
that um you know I mentioned that when I
saw that I got a nice review in the
times that gave me like as I said I gave
me a buzz you care about your work there
you really cared about well that wasn't
even about I mean I do care about the
work I mean work is a big source of
pleasure like in the sense of either
being on location and
um being aware of it going well and
getting into an almost like a mindset in
an interview of feeling like yeah this
is all good like I feel connected I feel
uh because it's a High Street in a way
I'm sure you have a little bit if you
have an interview with someone you feel
like you've been trying to book it for a
while
uh the moment comes you like the next
two hours are really important you want
it to go smoothly you want it to feel
like a revealing encounter you you want
to be probing and insightful and
attentive and immersed but not
distracted but also thinking ahead and
and all of that's going on and then it
starts and then you feel like oh it's
going okay and then afterwards like that
was a good one and then in the edit
you're putting it together and you're
piecing things in like that all of those
The Simple Pleasures of of craft you
know like it's really and it is simple
like it's no great mystery but that
that's that's a big part of um
of how I connect with
uh well my own happiness how do you
connect with people so actually I wanted
to ask you this for my own sort of
learning you've done this for multiple
decades you've sat with people from
every corner of the world you have all
of these different experiences and some
of them are a little bit you know the
nicer sense a little bit out there I'm
glad I landed with a PC word yeah a
little bit out there I wonder what the
non-pc was
but you have um it was funny when I
asked you about the qualities you have I
think you absolutely nailed it and all
of those make you incredibly disarming
that almost like lack of intense
seriousness makes you a really disarming
individual
um
how do you connect with people how
intentional is your approach to
connecting with them in your new
interview series but also just generally
some of it is stuff that
you know I didn't I just sort of came by
by accident probably most of it which is
a thing you know Natural Curiosity which
I think you have a feeling of um
of just
just wanting to know what why people do
the things that they do right and and
sort of getting out of your own way a
bit you know in the sense because I
the question I get asked most often is
like what how do you
not get angry with some of these people
especially the ones who are sort of
spewing hate or coming out with stuff
that's really objection upon
I find it slightly confusing question
because I think that's so it's so far
from what's in my head most of the time
I'm genuinely thinking like why
if it is someone like say a Neo-Nazi or
someone involved in religious
intolerance
I'm just so curious about what takes
someone
to that place what what's in their mind
that to actually berate them
to give them a hard time
or even be particularly journalistically
confrontational that's not
that's not my default mode so
interesting because I just think inject
life generally those who like seek to
one even on our personal relationships
and romantic relationships those that
seek to understand
tend to build Bridges but if you seek to
like as you say berate yeah I get told
off on this podcast a lot on like
Twitter and in the Press like because I
don't berate people like when I had Matt
Hancock here I asked him the questions I
really wanted to know but I didn't I
didn't come to berate him no he would
have gone yeah the war would have gone
up had I done that there's other ways of
and some people use a confrontational
approach and that's fine and then I
think in general
um you know there's many ways of doing
interviews
and I think probably
you know I haven't interviewed many
politicians and it's probably related to
that the feeling that they they have
their they tend to have their guard up
they tend to be
uh follow a strategy of attempting to be
as risk averse a headline a verse as
possible and it's like those aren't the
people I'm interested in people who are
genuinely attempt who feel like they've
got something figured out or or are
involved in a in a world or a lifestyle
or just some situation that is
either self-sabotaging or filled with
angst so in the end I see it as
no I'm not trying to get one over on
people I'm not trying to I honestly most
interviews I see as a as a potential
win-win you know what I mean like I I
certainly like well there's no there's
no reason why you shouldn't tell me the
truth
um
you're involved in something that you're
relatively open about and
and I'll just assume that that's
probably the case now
obviously you're briefed you've done as
much research as you can but um
I think if you feel as though you're
coming from a position of
um sort of shared inquiry then that's
contagious
um I think also
I sort of tend to think I think there's
some part of me thinks maybe the other
person's got it figured out and I
haven't right a level of humility
so that when they say stuff I'm
genuinely thinking like well I guess
maybe or may or they say something
Bonkers I'm like well that isn't right
but I enjoy bumping up against that and
I don't go in there thinking I'm gonna
I'm gonna get this person like I'm gonna
get one over on them I sort of feel as
though you know you come in and you just
sort of try and
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