Film Talk with Nim'keenhs Wemigwans
Summary
TLDRIn this insightful discussion, Kyle and Namekies Whammygwans explore the world of digital content creation and filmmaking. Namekies, a digital content creator and filmmaker, emphasizes the importance of just starting, using whatever tools are at hand, from smartphones to mirrorless cameras. He discusses the fundamentals of lighting and audio, the impact of editing on storytelling, and the various roles within the filmmaking industry. The conversation highlights the creative process, the power of storytelling, and the journey of a filmmaker, encouraging aspiring creators to learn, practice, and share their unique messages through video.
Takeaways
- 🎓 The speaker, Nim Whammygwans, emphasizes the importance of just starting in filmmaking, regardless of the equipment you have at hand, including using cell phones or tablets.
- 📱 Nim suggests that upgrading your cell phone with lenses and microphones can be a good start for aspiring filmmakers who are on a tight budget.
- 📹 The speaker highlights that the type of camera is less important than the story you want to tell and the look you want to achieve, including the option to use vintage equipment for an older aesthetic.
- 💡 Lighting is crucial in filmmaking as it helps set the mood and convey the story, regardless of the camera's quality.
- 🔊 Audio quality is just as important as lighting; poor sound can detract from the viewer's experience, making it hard to engage with the message.
- 👥 Filmmaking involves various roles, not just the person behind the camera, and each role contributes to the storytelling process.
- 🎬 Nim shares personal experiences, such as working with bands and traveling across North America, to illustrate how diverse and enriching a career in filmmaking can be.
- 📚 The speaker encourages watching a wide range of films to understand different storytelling techniques and to find one's own style.
- ✂️ Editing is a powerful tool in filmmaking that can significantly alter the tone and message of a film, as demonstrated by examples like the different versions of 'Justice League'.
- 🎨 Color grading in post-production is another storytelling element that can affect the mood and atmosphere of a film.
- 🚀 The speaker concludes by advising aspiring filmmakers to practice, learn from mistakes, and not be afraid to create and share their unique stories.
Q & A
What is the main topic of discussion in the video script?
-The main topic of discussion in the video script is digital content creation and filmmaking, including the basics of getting started, the importance of lighting and audio, and the storytelling aspect of filmmaking.
Who are the speakers in the video script?
-The speakers in the video script are Kyle, a grad coach for First Nation Metis and Inuit students, and Nim (Namekies Whammygwans), a digital content creator and filmmaker.
What advice does Nim give for someone starting in filmmaking?
-Nim advises that starting in filmmaking comes down to just doing it, using whatever equipment is available, such as a cell phone, and emphasizes the importance of lighting and audio.
What role does lighting play in filmmaking according to the discussion?
-Lighting plays a crucial role in filmmaking as it helps create the story, set the mood, and convey the message of the film. It is considered the number one key in creating a scene.
How does Nim describe the importance of audio in filmmaking?
-Nim describes audio as the second most important aspect in filmmaking after lighting. Poor audio quality can cause viewers to lose interest in the video content, regardless of the video quality.
What examples does Nim give to illustrate the impact of editing on storytelling?
-Nim gives examples of the 'Justice League' movie and how different directors (Joss Whedon and Zack Snyder) created different tones and messages through their editing choices, including color grading and scene length.
What does Nim suggest for beginners to practice filmmaking?
-Nim suggests that beginners should start by using the cameras they already have, such as cell phones or tablets, and practice by shooting different scenes, experimenting with lighting and audio, and editing their footage.
What software does Nim recommend for video editing?
-Nim recommends Adobe Premiere as a professional tool and Davinci Resolve as a free and powerful alternative for video editing.
How does Nim emphasize the importance of storytelling in filmmaking?
-Nim emphasizes that storytelling in filmmaking is about sharing a message and conveying emotions. Whether it's a feature film, a short video, or a social media post, the core purpose is to tell a story that resonates with the audience.
What is Nim's perspective on the concept of 'perfection' in filmmaking?
-Nim believes in the concept of 'better' rather than 'perfect', stating that there is always room for improvement and that the goal should be to continually learn and enhance one's skills.
What advice does Nim give for someone looking to become a filmmaker?
-Nim advises to go out and start shooting, learn from mistakes, and use free editing software to create demo reels. He also encourages learning from online resources and practicing to improve skills.
Outlines
📹 Introduction to Digital Content Creation
The video script opens with an introduction by Kyle, a grad coach for First Nation Metis and Inuit students, who is joined by Namekies Whammygwans, a digital content creator and filmmaker. They discuss the basics of digital content creation and filmmaking, emphasizing the importance of starting with whatever equipment is available, such as smartphones or mirrorless cameras. Namekies shares his perspective on the unlimited possibilities in filmmaking, given the advancements in camera technology and the creative potential of even the most basic equipment.
💡 The Importance of Lighting in Filmmaking
The conversation shifts to the crucial role of lighting in setting the mood and conveying the message of a film. It is highlighted that lighting is more important than the type of camera being used. Various examples are given, such as using a flashlight or natural light to create different effects. The discussion also touches on the use of diffusion to soften light and the importance of considering the color temperature of light sources to match the scene's environment.
🎥 The Role of Audio in Filmmaking
Continuing the technical aspects of filmmaking, the script emphasizes that audio quality is as important as, if not more than, video quality. Poor audio can detract from the viewer's experience, whereas good audio can enhance storytelling. The roles of different professionals on a film set, such as the audio engineer and the director of photography, are briefly explained, illustrating the collaborative nature of filmmaking.
🌟 Consuming Media to Understand Filmmaking
The script encourages aspiring filmmakers to watch a wide variety of movies and media to understand different filmmaking techniques. It discusses how studying films can lead to an interest in specific roles within the industry, such as audio engineering or cinematography. The importance of storytelling in film is reiterated, with examples given of how even quiet or intense sounds can play a significant role in conveying the film's atmosphere.
🎬 The Power of Storytelling in Film
The discussion delves into the concept of storytelling through film, using examples like 'A Quiet Place' and 'The Hunger Games' to illustrate how filmmakers must adapt written stories to the visual medium. The process of creating a film involves translating the detailed descriptions from books into visual elements that maintain the story's essence, which can be challenging but rewarding.
📚 Transitioning from Student to Filmmaker
Namekies shares his personal journey from a summer job at 15 with a camera to becoming a filmmaker. He talks about the progression from using simple point-and-shoot cameras to learning video production in college. His experiences working with bands and traveling across North America for community visits and storytelling workshops are highlighted as valuable learning opportunities.
🌐 The Impact of Current Events on Future Films
The script reflects on how current events, such as the social unrest and historical discoveries of recent years, will become history and potentially inspire future films or documentaries. It encourages viewers to consider the stories and messages they want to convey through their work, whether it's through social media, books, or films.
✂️ The Art of Editing in Filmmaking
Editing is presented as a critical aspect of filmmaking that can dramatically alter the perception and tone of a film. The script uses the example of the 'Justice League' movie to illustrate how different directors can create distinct versions of the same film through editing choices. The impact of editing on storytelling, pacing, and mood is discussed, emphasizing its importance in filmmaking.
🎨 Color Grading and the Emotional Impact of Film
This section explores color grading as a storytelling tool, using the 'Justice League' as an example again to show how different color palettes can evoke different emotions. The discussion covers the technical aspects of color grading and its role in setting the mood and enhancing the narrative of a film.
🛠️ Finding Your Style and the Pursuit of Improvement
The final paragraph emphasizes the importance of finding one's unique style in filmmaking and the pursuit of continuous improvement rather than perfection. It discusses the cultural belief in the imperfection of human creations and the value of learning from mistakes. The script concludes with advice to aspiring filmmakers to start creating, using the tools they have, and to enjoy the process of learning and growing in their craft.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡Digital Content Creation
💡Filmmaking
💡Lighting
💡Audio
💡Camera
💡Editing
💡Indigenous Culture
💡Storytelling
💡Social Media Influencers
💡Demo Reel
Highlights
Kyle introduces himself as a grad coach for First Nation Metis and Inuit students and invites Namekies to share his perspective on digital content creation and filmmaking.
Namekies Whammygwans introduces himself as a digital content creator and filmmaker from Manitoulin Island, emphasizing the importance of starting in filmmaking with available tools like cell phones.
The discussion highlights that anyone can start filmmaking with basic equipment, including cell phones, and that creativity and storytelling are more important than the type of camera.
Namekies suggests using cell phones and tablets to start creating content, as they have advanced camera capabilities, and encourages upgrading with lenses and microphones as needed.
The conversation touches on the use of old VHS tapes to create a vintage look for films, showing that filmmaking is about achieving the desired aesthetic regardless of the equipment used.
Namekies emphasizes the importance of lighting in filmmaking, stating that it can make or break a scene regardless of the camera's quality.
Creative DIY solutions for lighting are suggested, such as using shower curtains for diffusion, demonstrating the resourcefulness required in filmmaking.
The role of audio in filmmaking is discussed, with Namekies stressing that poor sound quality can detract from even the best visuals.
Namekies shares his journey into filmmaking, from his first summer job at 15 to studying video production in college, and encourages learning through doing.
The concept of storytelling in filmmaking is explored, with Namekies explaining how every aspect of film production contributes to conveying a story or message.
The impact of editing on storytelling is discussed, with examples given from the Marvel Cinematic Universe and the changes in tone and pacing through different edits.
Namekies talks about the importance of color grading in setting the mood of a film, using the 'Justice League' movie as an example of how different color grading can change the audience's perception.
The idea that filmmaking is not just about being behind the camera is presented, with Namekies explaining the various roles that contribute to the filmmaking process.
The transcript includes a discussion on the importance of watching a variety of films to understand different filmmaking techniques and storytelling methods.
Namekies shares insights on how to start with no money, using what you have, and gradually building up your equipment and skills over time.
The conversation concludes with advice for aspiring filmmakers to start creating content with the tools they have, learn from their mistakes, and continually improve their skills.
Namekies suggests using free editing software like DaVinci Resolve for beginners and emphasizes the importance of creating a demo reel to showcase one's work.
The transcript ends with a reminder to pursue filmmaking with passion, as it is a journey of continuous learning and improvement rather than a pursuit of perfection.
Transcripts
[Music]
and surrendered
territory hi my name is kyle i am a grad
coach for
first nation metis and inuit students at
gloucester high school
and i'm here with uh
nim who uh i'll give some space to
introduce himself shortly and
we're just going to have a little bit of
a talk around digital
content creation and film making and
things like that um
and then brings pretty great perspective
so i will just open up the space for him
to introduce himself and uh
take it away honey
hey everyone my name is namekies uh
whammygwans i'm originally from um
comic-con unseated territory on
manitoulin island so
i'm a visitor to the algonquin territory
here in ottawa
and yeah so i am a
digital content creator filmmaker uh
what have you um
so i've been sitting around talking with
kyle and
a few others about like what is
filmmaking and where to start
and for myself i believe
that starting in filmmaking
it comes down to just doing it
whether it's you get um a certain kind
of camera in your hands whether it's
your cell phone
so you can use like a cell phone a plain
cell phone just like this one
you could start upgrading your cell
phone to have like lenses and to have
mics into them
you could potentially start using more
bigger
like detachable lens so mirrorless
cameras is like what i use
and for some of those newer social media
influencers
that are trying to go for the older look
you can actually go something like this
this is an old vhs tape you know so like
filmmaking doesn't really
it's it's not really set you know it
comes down to like
what kind of look you want to do um
and first and foremost your budget in
the beginning you know like if
nobody has any money to start all this
stuff i know all the stuff that i own
now
it's taken a long time to get um
but for most of you guys are watching
this right now
i think your best spot to start actually
going into filmmaking would be using
your cameras your your phones that are
that everybody has you know a tablet
your laptop all that kind of stuff all
of these cameras are doing
so amazing lately that
realistically they're starting to catch
up to all of the other kind of cameras
so filmmaking is actually pretty
a wide spectrum of where you want to
start especially with today's day and
age most of you guys probably use tik
tok or instagram
um and those have some pretty
interesting ways of like editing video
you guys are already telling a story in
these
reels or these stories whatever you want
to call them
so you're creating content you're making
a film
whether it's a 30 second film whether
it's a 10 second film
all those kinds of things so that's
usually where filmmaking starts
that's awesome um one of the uh one of
the things i was thinking about as you
were
as you were talking there was lighting
considerations
you think that's something you could
jump in on yes
yes uh so lighting is
it doesn't really matter what kind of
gear you have to be honest to begin to
start off with
um you could have
a thousand dollar phone you could have
a three thousand dollar camera you can
have a ten thousand dollar camera
it doesn't really matter where exactly
you started as long as
you have good lighting because
realistically
without lighting these cameras can't do
the things that we need to do so
lighting is actually what helps create
the story
um if i had a light with me i guess i
could kind of use
my cell phone um you know there are
certain kind of things that you can use
so like a flashlight
you know you can brighten up one side of
the face you can start putting shadows
on a certain side you can put
the sun's above my head now i'm telling
like a spooky story about a campfire you
know stuff like that
so like lighting really conveys a mood
it conveys your message of what exactly
you want
your thing to say you know like whether
it's at night
so what do you do at night usually it's
the moonlight so
you don't want really orange lights
because the moon doesn't tell you
that it's orange you usually see white
or blue
you know when you go walking around same
thing with a fire you don't want like a
blue light
you want something very orange so there
are a lot of things there that you can
start doing
um to start off you know usually i say
amazon if you start off with like amazon
lights granted they're not
the greatest but it's a start um i've
slowly been working at buying all of my
lights
and right now i actually have one like
if i can like grab the camera
or grab the laptop i would show you this
one's actually just pointing at me
it's actually very bright and now i got
the little dots in my eyes just from
looking at it
but um lighting you know that is
the number one key to doing like a very
nice scene
so like controlling your lighting
whether it's you put um
you put like a very harsh light which is
kind of what's happening right now
if you put like certain kind of things
you can use shower curtains you know
there's a lot of
indie diy stuff that you can use and
it's called diffusion
and it just makes the lights softer and
you know that helps with certain kind of
things so like filmmaking
or if you want to think of it as a
photography thing like when you see a
lot of like
um models in fashion or this you know
that's a certain kind of hard light
but you know when it's um a family
portrait and stuff you want to make it
softer like because it like
kind of starts to hide certain things
starts to do
whatever and
the lighting yeah like like i said it's
number one key
besides audio audio would be your next
thing
everybody can watch a video
that has very skippy video where it's
like somebody moves
then they're over here a few seconds
later but if it doesn't sound good
people won't so if it's very crackly
it's stuff like this
people are just gonna like instantly
check out of the whole situation and be
like i
do not want to watch this because i
can't hear the message
so like audio is
number two behind lighting lighting then
audio
and then after that that's when you
start doing all your stuff with your
cameras
and so when people think of filmmaking
there are a lot of jobs
other than just being behind the camera
you know behind the camera yeah sure you
get to see
what this is but like when you
if you worked on like a movie set a tv
show a documentary any kind of set
and there are multiple people there
there's potentially one guy doing audio
and that's all he does
there's another guy that's doing um
lighting that's all he does
and then you have your director
photography
or and then your camera person so
director photography and a camera person
not necessarily the same thing it could
be
depending on certain kind of things
certain kind of budgets
especially in like bigger hollywood
productions
so you know that's one of the most
important things and that's another
thing about filmmaking
is that all of these jobs even though
you're not
shooting the film you're not being the
camera person you're still a filmmaker
because you are
using all of these things to make a very
good
you know project you're making a very
good uh
outcome that what you're gonna see um
i'll use a quick example
the movie that came out a couple years
ago called a quiet place it's kind of a
horror movie
um you know the it's very apparent what
it's going to be about it's called a
quiet place so the movie's going to be
quiet
but if you actually watch to go back and
watch the movie there's not a lot of
talking
so all of the sound had to be even more
intense than what it normally is
and this can go into like a certain way
of
like when people are like i want to be a
filmmaker how do i start
i always tell them to start watching
things start watching any kind of movie
you can whether it's you're watching um
schindler's list for some of you guys
you probably don't even know what that
is
um and you know from as new
as like let's say what's a comedy movie
that just recently came out
let's let's say um any adam sandler
movie the
grown-ups they're from those two
different types of movies
if you just start watching things in
between whether you're watching star
wars whether you're watching any marvel
movie
or dc movie once you start looking at
these
you start understanding what they did
and then you
start looking at oh i like how it sounds
and then you may quite potentially
become an
audio engineer or you can be like i like
that camera shot that they did here
you know all those kind of things to go
back to a quiet place
so the audio engineers there the foley
artist is what they're called
they had to really bump up their game
step up their game
and be like how can we make a quiet
movie
the best sounding movie out there so
um spoiler alert if you haven't watched
the movie
uh they're aliens and what they do is
they listen
so that's the whole premise of the movie
that's how
we figure it out but eventually
somewhere in the movie like a
flap opens up and as that flap opens up
and they start listening
listen to the sound there you know and
it's like a crackling like
what you don't know is that that is
lettuce that is celery and lettuce being
cracked
and you know who knew that that's what
the sound was going to be
because you know for some of you you may
believe in aliens
for me i'm kind of skeptical but if
aliens we don't know what they sound
like
so we have to create it in our heads of
what it sounds like
you go back to looking at the predator
from the predator series
you know it has like the same thing like
a crackling sound
and the guy who voiced the predator
based it off of a um an aquatic animal
that was
dying on the beach and it was making
that
and he was just like okay that's that's
what i'm gonna do
and he didn't know if he was gonna get
the job or anything like that but the
audio engineers behind him were like
we're on to something this guy's he's
got it
you know so there's that you know
there's foley the lighting people
um what's a i can't even think of like
um a good lighting movie um
i'll use the movie la la land so i'm
throwing like a lot of movies and this
is where like
a lot of things this is how i talk about
you know like when you start becoming a
filmmaker
whether it's you're doing stuff for
instagram or you're doing short films or
you're gonna work in hollywood
la la land same thing it's like this
musical kind of like dance thing
but like the colors in there are so rich
that they had to do all these things to
the lights they had to create
feels they had to make it feel happy
they didn't have to make it feel sad
they had to like really emphasize
the sun going down you know so like
the camera itself doesn't perceive what
the
human eye can see so just like
pointing this at the sun um sunset
isn't gonna see exactly what we see we
have to do a lot of things to this to
like
actually make it look like that so
you know like like i said um filmmaking
how do you do it
consume consume consume i grew up
watching a lot of movies
i grew up watching stuff from um
you know from the titanic from you know
mean girls to star wars to
um you know cowboy western movies like
you know the good the bad the ugly all
these kind of movies uh the godfather
scarface some of these movies as a kid i
shouldn't have been watching
but you know like i kind of thank my
parents for allowing me to do so they
gave me the opportunity to like consume
this type of media and
you know like they told me so when it
was like the godfather
or like scarface or die hard you know
they were saying hey
you know they're going to be saying some
stuff that you may not understand
or they're going to be swearing you know
try not to swear in public and stuff
and um but you know some of those movies
became some of my
most favorite movies out there and so
like watching them and just being like
what did they do here you know like
using certain kind of lenses also
conveys a message
you know like it helps you focus on
whether who's talking
um you know i got like certain little
lenses for my
computer here that i could zoom in
without doing anything digitally
or i can make like a superfish where you
can see like a lot of the
area that i'm sitting in so like all
those kinds of things
go into creating films
and um you know like a
couple days ago i had somebody ask me
are you a filmmaker
and i had to think am i well
i i create videos i create content
i create and i convey a message
and that's the ultimate thing so like
how i got started in like filmmaking or
digital content creation
was i was working with a buddy of mine
he was originally from
uh winnipeg and we started i
right after school i went to video
production like all of this started when
i was like 15 years old when i got my
first
summer job and there they put a camera
in my hands and said
you know there's something happening in
the community go home go
over there and go shoot it so it's like
okay
and so i started doing that and then
eventually i started getting into it
more and more
i bought myself a little point-and-shoot
camera and i started vlogging myself
you know so talking to this camera every
single day of my life
and learning to edit on windows movie
maker or media maker whatever it was
called at the time
and putting that on on youtube granted i
only had like 200 people watching
but then that also helped and then in
high school i had a photography course
and that also helped me
learn about how to use these kind of
cameras and to understand how they
really work
so you know jump before jump forward a
few more years
and i'm now in college video production
and i'm learning how to do this kind of
stuff
and so i'm learning how to use the big
shoulder cameras i'm learning how to do
like talk shows or the news anything
like that
and i was learning a lot of skills
and i was like okay this is tv but i
like i want to create my own kind of
videos
so i started doing stuff on my own and i
started working with people
i worked with a couple bands from
toronto and then i met up with my buddy
and he was just like i know you just
finished school want to come work for me
and we travel across canada then we
travel across north north america
and we were doing all of these kind of
like uh community visits
and one of the things that we talked
about there is we did a workshop
and we called well we we say it in our
language i actually can't remember what
we called it
but in translation in english it means c
t and storytelling
and in um in our culture in indigenous
culture
storytelling is how we learn a lot of
the culture you know there's a lot of
stories behind
a certain kind of teaching about like
eagle feathers or anything like that
but everything's very orally given
and what's what's a story it's the same
thing
whether it's written down or whether
it's read to you spoken to you
or anything like that and if you look at
making a film um let's use
what do i want to use let's use the
hunger games so the hunger games was
originally a book
and you know so they have to you have to
be very
much in detail with when you read it you
need
and then you start picturing what that
person looks like
um or what the scenery looks like around
them
so that's telling a story now when you
go to make it into a movie
you still have to tell the same story do
you have to go into so much detail
yes because you have to look at the book
and it says
um i'll use the second one because that
one's
you know it's a circle with water and
there's all these spike or
spokes kind of like a bike wheel going
to the middle
so they had to create that whether that
was digitally whether they did
half a set whether they did all this
kind of thing
they had to really figure out how to do
that so they started telling the story
visually
themselves rather than you reading it
and you thinking about it
but all of these things go into creating
and telling that story
so when somebody asked me am i a
filmmaker
i'd say yeah i am because
whether i am shooting a documentary
about you know my dad being a lumberjack
when he was
you know 19 to 40 almost 40 years old
that's a story like that is 20 years
story you know like when me and my buddy
used to travel
and i used to film what we call
sizzle reels or like um just anything
it's just like a quick recap of what
that um
that stop entailed that was telling a
story this is what me and him did
you know like it was oh we went to go
see this elder to talk to them to do our
podcast with them
and then we went to go talk to that
community's chief
same thing um and then we did the
workshop the
teen storytelling with the youth you
know teaching them about podcasting and
teaching them about camera
and then at the end of the night we did
a full taping podcast
of um our stories from the land
and we had a bunch of storytellers there
so filmmaking
is telling a story and telling and
having a message
whether that message is you know about
culture uh whether that message is about
you know friendship loss grieving or
finding
new friends you know like or battling
racism you know in the past couple years
a lot of movies have coming out
have come out there's 12 years a slave
there's the green book there's all of
these different kind of things that like
tell a certain kind of story and that
some people don't may not even know
about
you know right now we live in a time
that um some of these things that are
happening
in today's day and age in today's world
will eventually become history the stuff
that happened down in the states
you know like last year um in 2020
like the the rioting the
um just recently with the
founding of the 215
all that stuff is history and eventually
maybe
who knows either that becomes a
documentary
it becomes a movie there are so many
messages
out there and for whoever's watching
this right now
anyone that are sitting there there's a
message that you have
you may even personally have something
inside you where you're like
i don't know if i want to write a book
or if i want to make a movie
that there's a message there and
how to get it out is up to you
you know whether you do it through tick
tock whether you do it through
instagram facebook youtube um
whether you do it on a book you know
write a book or whether you do a video
a short film anything like that
that's probably one of the best things
that a lot of people can do is
tell a story or go find a story
and help create it to bring
bring it to a wider audience so that
they can understand that story
themselves too
so um i'm sure kyle has a lot more
questions for me
so we're gonna go i'll let him i'm gonna
take a drink
yep yeah so that's awesome a lot of uh
a lot of what you're what you're talking
about i think is really
helping make the connection right with
what we're hoping this course gives
students an opportunity to do
um i love right like what i'm hearing
you say about lighting and audio and
actually the video part
is like there's a lot of trial and error
right there's a lot of like what does
this device in my hand actually do
and finding out what this right the
adjustments in the settings are and all
those things are
right like they're so user-friendly now
it's like
just go for it right like that's
essentially what i'm hearing you say in
terms of get started
i wonder if you could sort of transition
to talking about editing
a little bit editing process and the
sort of
concepts that you shared the other day
around editing
yeah so same thing you know like how i
talked about lighting and audio convey a
certain message
editing can also do the exact same thing
so like i'll use any movie out there
when they film a scene they film it
about
six to eight times in different angles
and
really it depends on what's on the piece
of paper and
so there's the director there's the
director of photography
they sit there there's the producer
there's all of these people so what we
don't see
picture i'm in a scene right now talking
to somebody over here
behind the camera so where you guys are
sitting there's about 10 to 20 people
sitting there
and they're all making sure everything's
on the page is being done
the director is thinking about a certain
thing the director of photography dean's
director of photography is thinking
about a certain thing
uh producers they're all they're all
working to create some of the best work
that they can possibly do
at that time whether it's budget related
you know all that stuff they think about
it
and then so they're all telling a story
in a certain way now once all all of the
thing has been shot
and you go and edit it um
you can really tell a different story
there
so for an example
um i don't know how many people
sitting here listening to me are
superhero fans
of the superhero movie genre so
for the past 12 15 i don't even know
2008 so is that 13 years
no whatever
i'm pretty sure it's 13 years um so
2008 iron man starts and it creates this
whole big thing that just a couple years
ago the fine
one of the final movies of the whole
marvel cinematic universe happens so in
that time
that the those have been edited a
certain
way and then you go over to the other
side
and you know for a long time we've
always known about superman we always
known about batman
and then recently they just started
doing um the justice league so they
brought in aquaman under
wonder woman and all this kind of thing
and
in 2016 2017 around that time
they started creating the justice league
and originally the
person that was directing it had a
family crisis so he
lost his daughter to suicide and
he said i need to take some time out of
this to
you know for myself to work on myself to
be with family
and you know at the end of the day the
production
company warner brothers said no we're
gonna get somebody else to finish the
movie
um because in this kind of line of work
time is money
and so you know they put so much money
into doing that they needed to get it
out as soon as possible
to get that back and so they got one of
the guys that did one of the
avengers movies one of the marvel movies
so he comes in
and he edits a certain way um like he
films it a certain way he uses some of
the stuff that was previously shot
he does his own reshoots they go to edit
it
and the way that i perceived it when i
watched it i was like
this doesn't even seem like the other
two so there was man of steel
then there was dawn of justice batman vs
superman and those were very dark
movies but then when i watched the
justice league i noticed so much color
so much contrast in the film itself i
was just
like oh this is this is weird this is
off-putting
and so i was like oh well that's
that's what we get and um
so then 2017 to 2021 in those four
years they had um
the original director say oh yeah there
is
a four hour long cut that i originally
shot out there somewhere people heard
that and they were like we want to see
this
so they started petitioning and they
sent it to warner brothers they made
millions of signatures and then
eventually warner brothers was like fine
okay yeah we'll let zack snyder do his
thing so they gave him back the movie
and then he re-edited
edited it to um
what he envisioned and so
you can watch the two-hour it's called
the joss whedon or the original
justice league or you can watch the zack
snyder's justice league
watch them both and you're going to see
the tone completely change
well it's color grading whether it's
you know longer shots all this kind of
stuff like i said
you know like when it was originally you
released
the joss whedon stuff he only shot like
a couple more
scenes you know he didn't reshoot the
entire movie because
warner brothers was like well you have
ninety percent of the movie shot
and so he was like okay okay well i
gotta shoot a few more because i want to
do this in this this this they're like
yeah fine here whatever
and then so with the zack snyder
thing when it got to him you know he
still had that 90
shot and he was like well i still need
like three more scenes so they're like
okay
go ahead here's the money go film it
and so
when joss whedon took it he made a lot
of scenes short
the zack snyder took it he was like i
wanted the scene to be longer it's a guy
walking into a bank
which actually takes 40 seconds
longer and you can watch this on youtube
just look up like justice league
comparisons
and you know all these people talk about
how it conveys a message
you know like it's a build-up you know
we don't see the guy that's walking into
the bank that's
potentially going to rob this bank we
don't see his face
we just see like legs a hand holding a
briefcase
walking in and that's a build up here
like who is this guy who is this
what's gonna happen um but if you look
at the original the joss whedon stuff
you know you see him walk in the hand
for like
a second two seconds three seconds and
then it instantly goes to this guy's
face
like oh here he is so you know like
is there a build up there yeah when you
originally watched it now if you watch
the new one you're gonna be like oh this
is completely different
um same thing with like
all these uh star wars so originally
back in the 70s it was filmed a certain
kind of way
and only on such a small budget because
people didn't believe that star wars was
going to be a big success
so a lot of people have not seen the
original way it was
released unless you were there um
oh and i don't even like i'm looking for
the original you know like
vhs tapes to watch this movie just to
see the differences
but like the director george lucas he
himself knew that he was limited to that
day's technology
and you know in the past 20 30 years
he's actually been
well before he sold it to disney um he
was actually re-editing
and putting new things in because he had
the technology to do so
so like that changes the feel you know
like um
all that kind of stuff you know when it
comes to sound like i'll go back to
sound again and i'll use star wars
you know when i watched um
the movie rogue one darth vader's voice
sound
you know like he's the baddest dude in
the galaxy like we already know that
everybody wanted to be darth vader
for halloween but when i watched rogue
one and i heard his voice
and because he's older and he you know
he talks a bit slower
his actually voice is getting more
deeper than what it is
and i was just like oh my god i'm like
they gotta go reba redo every single
line of darth vader's voice to redo that
because
it would make him even more you know
menacing
and so like re-editing is it a good
thing
i don't know you know like there are
certain kind of things
in movies that the extended editions
or like the directors cuts and stuff
those these things come out all the time
now because
you know let's use lord of the rings
lord of the rings originally
when it first came out was i don't know
let's say
two hours long now you go to netflix or
wherever it is right now amazon prime
those movies are all about three hours
long because peter jackson was like no i
want to throw some more in there
or you know there's this one scene that
they told me to cut i didn't want to
you know we're going to re-release it as
a director's cut and this is what i want
the movie to be
so those kind of things
well you know if you ever sit there when
you're watching a movie that you've
watched before
and you're like was this scene here like
when i originally watched this in the
theaters
most likely it was added in there are
certain things added in
certain things taken out you know like
all these kind of things
um you know so editing
that's also another way of being a
filmmaker to tell
your story you know do you want the
message to be super fast or super slow
let's look at a documentary you know
somebody's talking about
you know i'm i'm a musician and you know
like he has a very high pace
high energy you want the cameras to cut
from here to here to here to here
quicker
compared to let's say you were doing
a piece on mental health
and you know people are talking about
some
some of their stories that like mean a
lot
or that are somber that
have a sad tone you know or when they
start talking they start talking a
little bit lower
slower you know you don't want fast cuts
you may just want to stay on
one shot one long shot
so like editing in itself is also
another way of filmmaking
you know like i said earlier there's all
of these jobs
in filmmaking in in the filmmaking
industry
so who's to say that that
editor isn't a filmmaker who's to say
that
the lighting guy isn't conveying a
message himself too
and what did we talk what did i say
filmmaking was was sharing a message
telling a story i'm you know with just
the light that i have
like even though it's not very well done
you know that's telling a story
like this is me like i could turn it off
right now and it'd be dark here
it wouldn't be that dark but you know
it's the middle of the day right now
guys
um but you get what i'm saying uh
so like editing that's that's another
thing and that itself
is like another beast and
like there are so many other jobs for
editing
um you know there's
it's called color grading so we go back
to justice league
from the first original cut to the
second this one had like i said high
contrast a lot of color a lot of red a
lot of blue
but then if you look at the new one it's
very dark it's very gray
in a lot of things there is color there
but it's like more gray scaled more
like the they took out the saturation
and there's
more contrast in the darks in the whites
in the black and the whites and the
blacks the grays all that kind of stuff
so like
color grading that also tells a story
like oh this is supposed to be happy
this is the justice league so here's all
of these colors
but for you when i watched it i was like
no that doesn't look good and but then
when i watch the new one
i was like wow you know this movie looks
amazing and
eventually you start when you start
getting to that point if you
are an audio guy whether you're the
camera operator whether you're
the editor you start getting your thing
you know you you're like this is how i'm
gonna edit this is how i'm gonna shoot
this is how i'm gonna color grade and
you know like a lot of people
right now especially in like instagram
and all these
kind of photography things you know
there's a lot of
um fads i'll say you know like there's a
lot of
like there's a certain type of way that
people are doing things right now
and which is good you know like a lot of
people like what's
what the look is right now but you know
don't be scared to find your own thing
don't be scared to be like
is this good because i'll tell you right
now from
when i started doing vlogs in high
school to
if i wanted to do it now what i didn't
know then and what i know now
yeah sure my vlogs will look ten times
better i'm not gonna say a hundred times
better because
like there's always more room for
improvement and there's no such thing as
perfect
and um the last time me and kyle spoke
and we were talking about this thing
i talked about perfection and somebody
brought up perfection
and i don't believe in perfect i believe
in better
and with why i say that is because
in indigenous culture what we're taught
is that nobody's perfect
and you know when we do like bead work
when we do crafts and stuff like that
uh we don't do it perfect like right now
i'm wearing
like my medallion and like they're in
between
beads there's like little bits and
pieces like missing or
like it could have been tighter and the
reason we don't do it that way
is because we believe that there's only
one
like person so the creator god you know
whatever however you want to say it
that's the only person that's perfect
because that's the person that created
us
and so when i say practice makes
better it makes more sense because like
i'm gonna look at something i shot last
night
i went and shot a video um for
a company last night and i'm gonna find
a few things wrong with it for me
but once i send it to them they're gonna
look at and be like wow this is an
amazing thing
thank you for doing this you know i'm
gonna be like i don't like that color
on this camera you know i had three
cameras out there
and i'm not gonna like the color on this
one so i'm gonna have to like really
work with it but i can't mess around
with it because the other two
look good and it all comes down to
angles and stuff like that the way that
the
sun was coming into the building the way
that the lights hit the people
and i can only do i can only go up from
here i can learn from my
mistakes so perfection i don't believe
in it
you know but it's okay to say
okay that's perfect for right there you
know because that's
the best that you can do i i'm not
saying i don't believe in the word
perfect i'll be like
all right cool perfect you know like
it's that's kind of thing but when i say
this is perfect is it really
or could it have been better it could
have been why
wasn't it maybe i didn't have the right
gear maybe i didn't have the right lens
maybe i didn't have the right lights you
know maybe i wasn't even in the right
mindset
when i started doing this video you know
so like
all these kinds of things when you start
doing videos and start creating film
you know like you have to be in it to
win it
kind of thing you have to be like okay
i'm doing this video i have to forget
about everything else
this is what i'm doing you know whether
it's you're doing things for free
and you know when you first start off
you're going to be doing things for free
you know once you get to a certain spot
where it's like hey people like what
you're doing
or people want to give you a chance then
yeah eventually you'll start making
money then you'll start getting there
you'll start making something
but to think of it is that why i got
into filmmaking no this is something
that i love this is a passion
i love sharing messages you know i
like to be a storyteller if you haven't
noticed i like to talk
uh so you know um
me being able to share somebody else's
message
through a video sitting down with them
and being like what do you want this
video to be about
i want it to be about
my you know 30th birthday
i wanted to be about my wedding day i
wanted to be
about this i'd be like okay well here's
my suggestions here's this this this
we work on it and then we create what
the message is going to be
and for that person and that's
ultimately what a filmmaker is in a
nutshell
um i'm sure kyle has a few more
questions i can go on all day but
let's let's see let's see what the man
with the plan has i think
uh i think you've covered pretty much
everything that we were hoping to get
into this video we're already
you know about 45 minutes maybe 40 40
minutes
um looking at the notes from our earlier
conversation
um yeah you've touched on everything
the i guess one of the technical
questions um do you have
if you have recommendations for editing
software like are there are there free
source editing softwares that's
that students could access that you
think would be good like i know iphones
have imovie
right like i don't know if there's
android equivalents or anything like
that
in their google accounts they can
they can access different editing
software but i don't know
you know i'd have to do some research to
figure out which ones would be great do
you have any knowledge of those
yeah so like um like you said you know
there was the
imovie uh for apple i'm
not too sure on android i have android
so i should technically know
um but personally like i use adobe
premiere
um that's what we learned in college
and there for free ones out there
there's one called davinci resolve so
you can download that one
uh the free version and it's still a
pretty powerful tool in itself
um until you start getting into like
more detail
but like to start off davinci resolve um
i don't know if if they still have
windows movie maker
if they do um you know shop around
just look look on the internet and be
like you know
top 10 free video editing softwares or
free top 10 video editing apps
you know that kind of stuff like they're
they're out there i think there's one
and i think i've been seeing it a little
bit more lately with like um
tick-tock influencers is in in shot
um so you know like if you do more
film or video on your phones like
in shot was one and i'm sure there's
like a premium
package there that you can get as well
so
um yeah like today's day in age
2020 2021 like there's so many like so
much software out there
that like you just have to pick and
learn them um
you know when it comes down to like
doing more uh
bigger productions and stuff there there
is another one that they called um
uh what is that called avid and that's
usually typically what they use for like
um movies like some people do shoot on
you know do premiere some people do
final cut pro
um imovie um avid
davinci resolve so it comes down to the
editor
um you know the if i was a director and
i came up to you kyle and said hey your
video editor what do you edit on
and you'd be like oh i use davinci
resolve i'd be like okay cool
um and then i look at your work you know
so like that's another thing
like start going out there and shooting
stuff and start shooting a demo reel
you know shoot whatever shoot somebody
walking by in the park shoot your
friends
throwing a football um you know cameras
or phones can now do slow motion start
shooting stuff like that
you know it's the summer somebody's
gonna be jumping into a like
you know go get the best angle that you
possibly can if you're in the water
holding your phone you know
i don't condone that if if you do break
your phone that is not on me that is on
you
because you did decide to do it but like
for me personally
i would do that would i take you know my
4 000
camera in there no would i take uh
my you know my samsung yeah because i
pay for insurance for this and
you know like eventually maybe they'll
give me or i'll have to pay for it to
get fixed but you know it's gonna cost
less than it would for the other camera
um so start shooting stuff like that
use these free softwares and start
editing your demo reel
at the bottom of it just put you know
like shot and edited
by you know nim whammy ones you know
anybody
whatever your name is put that there and
then you know put some decent music to
it cut to the music so you know if
something's like you know like i'm gonna
do very bad rendition of like beatboxing
beatboxing
but you know like every single beat
cut to it you know you get your music
first
put your music you're like i like this
song um so this is what we're going to
use try not to use like very popular
songs because
you know if you start putting that on
youtube saying this is what i do
you could get away with it no you could
get away with it if you save it
and you send it individually to that
person being like this is what i have
can you please not share it
because you use the new justin bieber
song i'm i'm an old dude i don't know if
justin bieber is still relevant
um but that's that's all i'm saying with
that one
so and then you know just
advice for anybody that wants to do it
go out there and do it
you most likely have the tool in your
hand
in your pocket to be able to start
shooting stuff
go on youtube and be like how do i
become a
cell phone cinematographer
you know then they'll start teaching you
how to use the pro version
because every single phone has a pro
video
a pro photo they have all these kind of
things
you know use your slow motion like
understand
how things work and once you start doing
that
you know on your spare time you're
watching youtube you're staying out of
trouble
you're learning how to better yourself
with doing any kind of filmmaking
and eventually you're going to get to
the point where you're like you know
what i'm glad
i spent that time learning how to do
this
i'm glad i was able to tell myself this
is who i want to be
i'm glad that i sat through that summer
course
with the ocdsb and listened to this guy
that talked a lot and told me just go
out there and shoot
start shooting anything photos video
all that kind of fun stuff because
you're going to have a lot of fun doing
it
yeah there will be painful steps here
and there you're going to be like i wish
i had gear
and then eventually you're going to get
to the spot where like hey maybe i can
start buying this stuff
maybe this is something serious because
that's how i started
i i just needed a summer job and
they put a camera in my hands and i was
15 and that was about
14 years ago and
ever since then i haven't really stopped
putting down a camera
i've whether i had this big thing
or i had just had my cell phone i
started learning how to use them both
and yeah like i s like i said if it
wasn't
for getting that job i don't know where
i would be
but that's probably
the advice i'd give you just go out do
it
trademark by nike
nice awesome man yeah i think that's
good
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