Dark Bible Stories That You Never Heard | Joe Rogan & Michelle Dowd
Summary
TLDRThe speaker shares their childhood experience of moving from San Francisco to Florida, where they encountered a starkly different environment and culture, including alligators and religion in public schools. They recount reading the Bible in its entirety at a young age, highlighting the complex and sometimes contradictory nature of its content. The discussion touches on specific biblical stories, such as David and Bathsheba, and Tamar's plight, emphasizing the historical and cultural contexts that are often overlooked. The speaker reflects on the challenges of interpreting these ancient texts and the importance of critically engaging with their messages.
Takeaways
- 😀 The speaker grew up in a hippie, anti-war environment in San Francisco before moving to Gainesville, Florida at age 11.
- 🐊 In Florida, the speaker experienced a stark contrast with alligators, swampy weather, and a more religious community.
- 📚 The speaker attended Bible class in public school and read the entire Bible by the age of 8, noting the mix of beautiful and violent passages.
- 🤔 The speaker highlights the contradictions and complexities in the Bible, often due to its compilation by different authors over time.
- 👑 The story of King David is discussed, including his affair with Bathsheba and the subsequent consequences, which are not commonly taught.
- 👩 The narrative of Tamar is mentioned, illustrating the harsh realities and moral dilemmas present in biblical stories.
- 📖 The speaker emphasizes the importance of understanding the historical context and not taking biblical stories at face value.
- 🤷♀️ The speaker questions the teachings of the Bible, such as condoning slavery and the treatment of women as second-class citizens.
- 📚 The existence of additional biblical texts, like the Apocrypha, is mentioned, which are not part of the standard Bible but offer different perspectives.
- 💭 The speaker concludes by acknowledging the need for a nuanced approach to interpreting religious texts and their messages.
Q & A
What was the speaker's experience moving from San Francisco to Florida?
-The speaker experienced a significant cultural shift, moving from a 'hippie, anti-war' environment in San Francisco to a more religious and conservative setting in Gainesville, Florida.
Why did the speaker's stepdad move to Florida?
-The speaker's stepdad moved to Florida to attend the University of Florida at Gainesville after switching careers from a computer programmer to an architect.
What was unusual about the environment in Florida compared to San Francisco?
-In Florida, the speaker encountered alligators, swampy weather, and a more prominent presence of religion, which was a stark contrast to the environment in San Francisco.
How was religion incorporated into the speaker's school experience in Florida?
-In Florida, the speaker experienced Bible class in public school, which was a new and different experience compared to their previous schooling.
What was the speaker's approach to reading the Bible as a child?
-The speaker read the Bible cover to cover using a pin light at night, trying to understand it in its entirety despite finding parts of it tedious.
What did the speaker find in the Bible that they found beautiful?
-The speaker found many beautiful passages in the Bible but also noted the presence of violence and contradictions within the text.
Why do some parts of the Bible not get taught in religious education?
-Some parts of the Bible are not taught because they are difficult to explain, contain violence, or have historical and cultural contexts that are challenging to interpret.
What is the story of David, Bathsheba, and Uriah as mentioned in the script?
-King David saw Bathsheba bathing, had an affair with her, and when she became pregnant, he tried to cover it up by getting her husband Uriah killed in battle so that the child would seem to be Uriah's. However, God killed the child as punishment.
What is the story of Tamar and her father-in-law as described in the script?
-Tamar was married to two of her father-in-law's sons who both died without giving her a child. Her father-in-law then refused to give her to the third son, so she disguised herself as a prostitute, became pregnant by her father-in-law, and was initially sentenced to death but was later protected when she revealed his staff as proof of their encounter.
What does the speaker suggest about the interpretation of the Bible?
-The speaker suggests that the Bible should be read with a critical eye, acknowledging the historical and cultural contexts, and that not all parts of it may be applicable or justifiable today.
Why does the speaker mention the Apocrypha in relation to the story of a woman before Eve?
-The speaker mentions the Apocrypha because it contains additional books that did not make it into the standard Bible, and it is where some stories, like the one about a woman before Eve, can be found.
Outlines
📖 Transition from Hippie Culture to Bible Study
The speaker recounts moving from San Francisco to Florida at the age of 11, transitioning from a hippie, anti-war environment to a religious one. In Florida, they experienced a stark contrast to their previous life, with alligators, swampy weather, and religion being a significant part of the public school curriculum, including mandatory Bible classes. They also mention being paddled as a form of discipline, a new experience for them. Despite the tedious and sometimes violent content, they read the entire Bible at the age of eight, discovering both beautiful and contradictory passages. They reflect on how the Bible's historical context and multiple authorships contribute to its complexity and the difficulty in teaching it accurately.
🤔 Challenging Biblical Stories and Interpretations
The speaker delves into specific stories from the Bible that are often overlooked due to their controversial nature. They discuss King David's affair with Bathsheba, which led to the death of her husband Uriah and their child, as a story that is not commonly taught despite its presence in the Bible. Another story involves Tamar, who, after being wronged by her father-in-law and brothers, disguises herself as a prostitute to secure her future and have children, which ultimately leads to her being protected and her child being part of the lineage of Christ. The speaker expresses confusion about the moral lessons to be learned from these stories and acknowledges the difficulty in reconciling the Bible's teachings with modern values, such as its condoning of slavery and the treatment of women as second-class citizens. They also touch upon the existence of additional biblical texts, like the Apocrypha, which are not part of the standard Bible but offer alternative narratives.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡Bible
💡Hippies
💡Gainesville, Florida
💡Architect
💡Alligators
💡Bible Class
💡Paddling
💡King David
💡Bathsheba
💡Tamar
💡Onanism
Highlights
The narrator's childhood experience of moving from San Francisco to Florida and the cultural shock of encountering alligators and Bible classes.
The contrast between the narrator's upbringing in a hippie, anti-war environment and their exposure to religion in Florida schools.
The unusual experience of having Bible class and physical punishment in public school.
The challenge of reading the entire Bible and the tedious nature of its historical and genealogical content.
The narrator's personal journey of reading the Bible cover to cover at a young age and the mixed content found within.
The presence of violence and contradictions in the Bible, attributed to its compilation by different authors over time.
The practice of teaching the Bible selectively, omitting difficult or controversial parts.
The story of King David, Bathsheba, and the moral complexities it presents.
The narrative's exploration of power, loyalty, and divine punishment in the context of King David's actions.
The story of Tamar, her plight, and the unconventional means she took to secure her future and her place in the lineage of Christ.
The theme of women's rights and status in biblical times, as illustrated by the stories of Bathsheba and Tamar.
The narrator's critical reflection on the Bible's endorsement of slavery and the treatment of women.
The existence of additional biblical texts outside the standard 66 or 69 books, such as the Apocrypha, which includes the story of Lilith.
The importance of interpreting biblical stories through a modern lens, acknowledging their historical and cultural context.
The narrator's call for a nuanced understanding of the Bible, recognizing both its divine and human aspects.
Transcripts
have you read the whole Bible by the way
I did when I was a kid I actually had
Bible class in Florida when I moved from
when I moved from uh San Francisco to
Florida I was 11 years old and it was a
complete polar opposite experience of
the country I lived in San Francisco
with two parents that were hippies in
hate ashbery so we were in the middle of
like we live near Lumbard Street we were
in the middle of like the hippie
anti-war revolution of the
1960s and then I moved to Gainesville
Florida my stepdad was going to uh he
was becoming an arch he was a computer
programmer and then he switched careers
became an architect and so he was going
to a University of Florida at
Gainesville and so we were there so now
all a sudden I'm around alligators
there's alligators everywhere I
was like what are you are you people
why do you have Giant Monsters
Everywhere this is so ridiculous
so we had alligators um super weird
swampy weather and religion religion was
in the schools like in public school you
had Bible class and they also paddled
you was the first time I'd ever been hit
by a teacher they I got in this fist
fight with this kid and they whacked us
with a paddle one of the things that a
lot of people who have read the Bible or
they have read a portion of the Bible I
definitely don't think I read the whole
thing well yeah that's the thing is not
very many people do and that's why I
asked because because a lot of it is is
kind of tedious history and there's a
lot of Heats and there's a whole line
you know of Christ all the ancestors and
the the whole delineation of all that
and um where I come from we were
encouraged to read like a verse of the
Bible but they would always tell you
what it meant right and so I kind of
went against I used this little pin
light and like did it like late at night
but I read the whole thing cover to
cover when I was eight and if you read
like every single book in order you
start to find that there's a lot of
really beautiful beautiful beautiful you
know places in the Bible but there's a
lot of stuff that's really violent and
then there's a lot of stuff that
contradicts itself and it's because it
was written in different time periods by
different authors and different
languages and it also has a historical
context and so generally there's a lot
of stuff that people leave out when they
teach the Bible because it's really hard
to explain like what stuff well there's
um for example I mean this one's taught
a little bit but David King David I'm
sure you've heard of him like as of
David and Goliath but then he became a
powerful King and he saw this woman who
this woman is often talked about basba
he sees her bathing on a roof and where
we came from we were tiau like she
shouldn't have been bathing on the roof
no I
don't right anyway he he demands that
she come to him and she is the wife of a
soldier of his named Uriah a top Soldier
and He commands her to lie with him and
she becomes pregnant and then King David
who is the same guy who had the
slingshot of David and Goliath decides
that he's got to figure out how to get
her husband back so that her husband can
go sleep with her and her husband won't
do it because he's loyal to the Army and
he's he comes back but he sleeps like at
the floor of the castle you know trying
to wait a minute he's trying to get the
husband to go back with the wife so that
she the pregnancy will seem like it's
his oh boy yeah so in the Bible in the
Bible dirty David yeah exactly and it
doesn't even in there so Uriah won't do
it cuz uriah's loyal to David oh boy and
so then David sends him to the front
lines to have him be killed oh boy so
that he can marry his wife and get away
with that child's not being um B child
illegitimate oh boy and then God kills
the child because you know needs to make
the point that David was and think about
poor bath Sheba I mean she's just been
like rung around her husband gets killed
all these things her GID dies because
God is punishing David and her husband
got killed because he was loyal to the
guy who got her pregnant absolutely
that's not a story a lot of people hear
oh my God but you can fact check that
one if you'd like oh no I believe you
I'm good at that I'm good at just okay
now I'll go argue it want to hear
another Bible story sure there was a
woman named Tamar and she had been
married to uh one of three sons I think
there was three and uh her husband died
before giving her a child so as was the
custom in the time and perhaps the law
she married the brother of her dead
husband and that man would not give her
a child because he didn't want to have a
child in his brother's name and so
they're allowed to have more than one
wife but this woman was not allowed to
have a child so he does something they
call onanism so he like spilled his seed
on the ground instead of inside of her
that she couldn't have a baby and so God
gets really mad because Odin will not
impregnate her and so Onin gets killed
too and so then her father-in-law
decides not to marry her off to the
youngest brother because two of the
brothers are already dead right and he
doesn't want to lose his only son so he
just banishes her and she has nothing
because what does a woman have at the
time when she doesn't have a husband or
a child she has no ability to make a
living in the world and so this man is
um the father-in-law is really unkind to
her in a way that she decides she needs
to take something into her own hands and
so she dresses up like a prostitute and
goes to the side of the road and as he's
traveling on the road she puts herself
in front of him and and offers her
services and he sleeps with her and he
does not have payment on him for some
reason and so he gives her his staff
which is is um a token of his word or
something so at least he's paying his
prostitute and uh she gets pregnant from
this and he orders her when he finds out
she's pregnant to be stoned to death you
know to be killed and executed because
you know she's not allowed to have a
baby outside of wedlock and she said
okay but let me just return this staff
to you that um I got from the father of
the baby and so then he ends up
protecting her and she gets to have the
child and that child is in the line of
Christ whoa yeah so really interesting
things I don't know what you're supposed
to learn from that story um when I was a
kid reading this I would ask and of
course no one really wanted to tell me
because she was rewarded for that that's
the interesting thing it's the stories
are crazy it's it's just if you're being
honest and if you believe in God but you
also know that people are full of
you have to put all this stuff through a
filter you just have to and it doesn't
mean that there's no
God of course it doesn't mean that it
just it means there's probably something
in these stories but we have to be real
careful with what that something is well
and I don't profess to know I don't I
don't know why they condone slavery the
Bible condone slavery like flat out it's
in there all the
time yes women are essentially second
class citizens and you know what I found
out recently that there was a woman
before
Eve depending on who you
ask yeah so what what was that one well
that's not in the 66 books of the Bible
that most people are taught in the
Protestant tradition or the 69 or
whatever in the Catholic tradition um
that's part of the Apocrypha so the
these are books of the Bible that didn't
make it
into you know Christianity as such that
we the editor's cut today yeah was an
editor's cut exactly
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