My suggestion to fix "Tunneling" in DBD

Summary

El video propone un sistema para abordar el 'tunneling', una estrategia en la que un asesino se enfoca en eliminar rápidamente al mismo superviviente. Se discuten tres tipos de tunneling, siendo el más problemático el 'agresivo turbo tunneling'. Se presenta la mecánica 'buron', que permite a otros supervivientes asumir el segundo estado de un compañero, retrasando así la muerte del mismo y desalentando el tunneling agresivo. La propuesta busca equilibrar el juego, fomentando estrategias más variadas y evitando que el juego se decida en las primeras persecuciones.

Takeaways

• 🔍 El video propone un sistema que podría solucionar el problema del 'tunneling', es decir, cuando un asesino ataca repetidamente a la misma superviviente para eliminarla rápidamente.
• 🤔 Hay opiniones divididas sobre si el 'tunneling' es un problema; algunos ven como una estrategia natural del juego, mientras que otros lo consideran un problema.
• 🔑 Se discute que el 'tunneling' puede volverse más problemático a medida que los desarrolladores aborden otras tácticas como el camping y la defensa de regeneradores.
• 📝 Se identifican tres tipos de 'tunneling': casual, deliberado y agresivo, y se argumenta que no todos ellos son igualmente problemáticos.
• 👻 El 'tunneling' casual es considerado menos problemático, ya que los supervivientes tienen ventajas para contrarrestarlo.
• 🎯 El 'tunneling' deliberado es más común y ocurre cuando un asesino ataca a alguien inmediatamente después de que es colgado, aunque se considera que no es tan grave con las ventajas actuales del juego.
• ⚔️ El 'tunneling' agresivo es el más problemático, donde un asesino se esfuerza por eliminar a un superviviente, lo que puede hacer que el juego sea menos divertido y desalentador para el objetivo.
• 🆕 Se propone un nuevo mecanismo llamado 'burden' que permitiría a los supervivientes evitar que un asesino elimine a una sola persona con solo tres colgados.
• 🛡️ El mecanismo 'burden' es opcional y solo se activa si el asesino ha colgado al mismo superviviente dos veces al comienzo del juego o en la etapa final del juego.
• 🤝 El 'burden' fomenta la diversidad de ventajas entre los supervivientes y castiga a los asesinos que buscan 'tunnelear' agresivamente, mientras que aún permite cierto nivel de 'tunneling'.
• 💡 Se sugiere que este cambio podría hacer que el juego sea más equilibrado y divertido, alentando a los asesinos a hacer un mejor uso de sus habilidades en el medio y final del juego en lugar de decidir todo en las primeras persecuciones.

Q & A

¿Qué es el 'tunneling' en el contexto del video?

El 'tunneling' se refiere a cuando un asesino en el juego se enfoca repetidamente en colgar al mismo superviviente para eliminarlo lo antes posible.

¿Cuáles son los tres tipos de 'tunneling' mencionados en el video?

Los tres tipos de 'tunneling' son: 1) El 'tunneling' casual y accidental, 2) El 'tunneling' deliberado cuando un asesino ve la oportunidad de ir por alguien justo después de que sean colgados, y 3) El 'tunneling' agresivo o 'hard tunneling', donde el asesino se esfuerza por colgar a un superviviente específico.

¿Por qué el 'tunneling' casual no es considerado un problema según el video?

El 'tunneling' casual no es considerado un problema porque los supervivientes tienen una variedad de habilidades que pueden combatir esto, como habilidades de sigilo, curación rápidas o anti-' tunneling' que duran mucho tiempo.

¿Qué es el 'hard tunneling' y por qué es considerado problemático?

El 'hard tunneling' es un tipo de 'tunneling' agresivo y deliberado donde el asesino se esfuerza por colgar a un superviviente específico, lo que puede hacer que el juego sea menos divertido y desesperanzador para el superviviente objetivo y los demás.

¿Cuál es la propuesta del video para abordar el 'hard tunneling'?

La propuesta es introducir un nuevo mecanismo llamado 'burden' que permitiría a los supervivientes evitar que un asesino elimine a un superviviente con solo tres colgamientos.

¿Cómo funciona el mecanismo 'burden' propuesto en el video?

El mecanismo 'burden' se activa cuando un asesino ha colgado al mismo superviviente dos veces al inicio del juego. Los otros supervivientes pueden aceptar 'burden' para transferir una etapa de colgamiento al asesino que acepte, lo que forzaría al asesino a colgar a otro superviviente antes de que el primero muera.

¿Cómo afectará el mecanismo 'burden' la estrategia del asesino?

El mecanismo 'burden' forzará a los asesinos a abandonar la idea de obtener una victoria rápida con solo tres colgamientos y los animará a perseguir a múltiples supervivientes, lo que podría abrir oportunidades para los supervivientes.

¿Por qué el video sugiere que los asesinos deberían ser equilibrados alrededor de obtener varios colgamientos antes de una muerte?

La idea es que los juegos sean equilibrados para que no se decidan en las primeras dos persecuciones, sino que los asesinos puedan hacer una fuerte jugada en el medio o final del juego, lo que podría hacer el juego más dinámico y menos binario.

¿Qué otras modificaciones sugiere el video para complementar el mecanismo 'burden'?

El video sugiere ajustes en habilidades que extienden las etapas de colgamiento, y posibles cambios en otras habilidades para adaptarse a la nueva dinámica que introduce el mecanismo 'burden'.

¿Por qué el creador del video decide compartir la propuesta con la comunidad en lugar de enviarla directamente al desarrollador del juego?

El creador prefiere compartir la idea con la comunidad para obtener sus opiniones y discutirla, ya que considera que esto es más divertido y permite una mayor participación en la mejora del juego.

Outlines

00:00

🔍 Análisis del problema de 'tunneling' en juegos de supervivencia

El primer párrafo explora el concepto de 'tunneling', que se refiere a cuando un asesino en un juego de supervivencia intenta eliminar rápidamente al mismo jugador repetidamente. Se discute la naturaleza controvertida de esta táctica, y se sugiere que, aunque actualmente no es un problema, podría convertirse en uno en el futuro. El narrador propone que los desarrolladores están abordando otras estrategias de juego como 'camping' y 'turbo tunneling', y que es necesario abordar este comportamiento para mantener la diversidad en las tácticas de juego. Se distinguen tres tipos de 'tunneling': casual, deliberado y agresivo, siendo el último el más problemático y el que se propone abordar.

05:01

🛠 Propuesta de solución: mecánica 'burden' para contrarrestar el 'tunneling' agresivo

El segundo párrafo presenta una propuesta de solución para el 'tunneling' agresivo, que consiste en introducir un nuevo mecanismo llamado 'burden'. Este mecanismo permitiría a los supervivientes prevenir que un asesino elimine a un jugador con solo tres ganchos. El mecanismo es opcional y solo se activa si el asesino ha utilizado dos ganchos en el mismo superviviente al comienzo del juego o en la fase final. Los supervivientes cercanos al gancho tienen la opción de asumir la carga, lo que les permite transferir un nivel de gancho al asumir la carga. Esto forzaría al asesino a enfrentarse a múltiples tácticas de supervivencia y demorar la estrategia de 'tunneling', al mismo tiempo que fomenta una variedad de habilidades y castiga la conducta agresiva de los asesinos.

10:01

🤔 Consideraciones finales y llamado a la acción

El tercer párrafo reflexiona sobre la necesidad de equilibrar el juego para que no se centre en obtener una victoria rápida con pocos ganchos, sino en fomentar una estrategia más equitativa y dinámica. Se sugiere que los asesinos deberían ser capaces de realizar un comeback y tener una influencia en la segunda mitad del juego. El narrador invita a la comunidad a discutir la propuesta y a compartir sus opiniones, ya que prefiere la interacción con los jugadores antes de presentar la idea a los desarrolladores. Se busca un equilibrio que haga del juego más interesante y menos predecible, y se cuestiona si la propuesta actual o alguna alternativa podría ser la solución adecuada para abordar el problema del 'tunneling'.

Keywords

💡Tunneling

Tunneling se refiere a la estrategia en la que un asesino en el juego se centra repetidamente en capturar al mismo superviviente para eliminarlo lo antes posible. En el guion, se discute cómo este comportamiento puede ser considerado tanto una táctica natural como un problema que requiere solución. El video propone mecanismos para abordar este tipo de juego agresivo y desalentador para los supervivientes.

💡Survivor

Un superviviente es uno de los personajes que intentan escapar de la trampa del asesino en el juego. El guion explora cómo los supervivientes pueden ser afectados negativamente por el tunneling y sugiere mejoras en el sistema para protegerlos, manteniendo así la diversión y la equidad en el juego.

💡Killer

El asesino es el antagonista en el juego que busca capturar y eliminar a los supervivientes. El término se utiliza en el guion para analizar sus tácticas, como el tunneling, y cómo estas pueden ser modificadas para mejorar la experiencia de juego.

💡Perks

Los beneficios o 'perks' son habilidades especiales que los personajes pueden utilizar en el juego. El guion discute cómo ciertos perks pueden combatir el tunneling y cómo otros podrían necesitar ajustes para equilibrar el juego, especialmente en relación con la propuesta de 'burden'.

💡Buron

El 'buron' es una nueva mecánica propuesta en el guion para evitar que un asesino elimine a un superviviente con solo tres ganchos. Esta mecánica es opcional y solo se activa en una situación específica, donde un asesino ha capturado al mismo superviviente dos veces al inicio del juego. El término 'buron' es central en la propuesta de solución al problema del tunneling.

💡Camping

Camping es una táctica en la que el asesino se queda cerca de un gancho después de haber capturado a un superviviente, esperando a que otro superviviente venga a rescatarlo para atacar de nuevo. El guion menciona que los desarrolladores están abordando este problema para hacer que el juego sea más dinámico y menos predecible.

💡Regens

Los 'regens' se refieren a los objetos o áreas del juego que curan a los supervivientes. El guion sugiere que los asesinos que practican el tunneling pueden hacer que los regens sean menos efectivos, ya que pueden capturar a un superviviente nuevamente antes de que otros tengan la oportunidad de curarlo.

💡Anti-tunneling

Anti-tunneling hace referencia a las estrategias y perks diseñados para contrarrestar el tunneling. El guion discute cómo ciertos perks actuales pueden ser útiles en la lucha contra el tunneling y cómo la propuesta de 'buron' podría complementar estos métodos existentes.

💡S-tier

La 'S-tier' se refiere a los asesinos de la más alta calidad o poder en el juego, que suelen ser muy efectivos en el tunneling. El guion argumenta que la balanza del juego debería no solo considerar a estos asesinos de élite, sino también abordar cómo el juego se juega en promedio para mejorar la experiencia general.

💡3v1

El término '3v1' se refiere a una situación en el juego donde tres supervivientes restantes tienen que lidiar con un asesino en una desventaja numérica. El guion menciona cómo el tunneling agresivo puede llevar a una situación 3v1 desigual y desalentadora, donde el asesino tiene una gran ventaja.

Highlights

Proposal to address the issue of 'tunneling' in the game where a Killer repeatedly hooks the same Survivor.

Three types of tunneling identified: casual, deliberate, and aggressive turbo tunneling.

Casual tunneling is seen as less problematic and can be mitigated by Survivor perks.

Deliberate tunneling is more frequent and opportunistic, but still manageable with current perks.

Aggressive turbo tunneling is the most problematic, leading to a less enjoyable game experience.

Proposal introduces a new mechanic called 'burden' to prevent aggressive tunneling.

Burden mechanic allows other Survivors to take a hook stage for a repeatedly hooked teammate.

The burden mechanic is optional and can be disabled for alternative game modes or tournaments.

Burden can only be triggered if the Killer has hooked the same Survivor twice at the start of the game.

If the Killer hooks the same Survivor a third time, the burden is transferred to another Survivor.

The burden mechanic encourages Killers to chase multiple Survivors, opening up strategic opportunities.

Anti-tunneling perks become more effective with the burden mechanic, enhancing Survivor strategy.

The mechanic is designed to be intuitive and easy to understand within the game's interface.

Balancing the game around the burden mechanic could lead to a healthier gameplay ecosystem.

The proposal aims to make the game less binary and more focused on mid to late-game strategy.

Community feedback is sought to refine the proposal and consider alternative solutions.

The proposal suggests slight tweaks to existing perks to accommodate the new mechanic.

The burden mechanic is presented as a potential solution to make the game more enjoyable and balanced.

Transcripts

today's video is a proposal system that

could help fix the problem of tunneling

tunneling is When a Killer repeatedly

hooks the same Survivor in order to get

rid of them as quickly as possible some

people see it as a natural eball or part

of the game some people see it as an

issue personally I think if it's not an

issue now it definitely will slowly

become more and more of an issue the

developers are quickly addressing things

like camping being too good very

aggressively they might also do I slug

in at some point to make that less

appealing and as these alternative play

Styles like defending Regens become less

and less viable it will become more and

more logical for Killers to try to get

rid of one Survivor which has pretty

much always been the go to best strategy

for Killers now uh before we address

tunneling I think we need to talk about

which types of tunneling we're trying to

correct in my opinion there are roughly

three types of tunneling and not all of

them are necessarily bad or not all of

them need to be addressed the first one

is the more casual loose almost

accidental type of tunneling this is

when the killer ends up hooking the same

person twice but they didn't really try

to do that it was either an accident or

there was no one else or there was

someone else but they were hiding and at

this point the killer ended up hooking

the same person twice but it doesn't

really affect the outcome of the game

the game might have already been lost or

it might have already been won or it

might already be the end game this in my

opinion is not a tunneling that is very

problematic survivors have a wide

variety of perks to combat this they can

have stealth perks to hide they can have

healing perks to heal themselves quickly

they can have anti- tunneling perks uh

that last a long time like off the

Record to even avoid loose tunneling so

I don't see this as a problem at all the

more deliberate tunneling is When a

Killer sees the opportunity to go for

someone right after they get on hook or

very shortly after and they take it they

could go for someone else but they think

M it's how almost too easy it's almost

too tempting this is the type of

tunneling that happens most frequently

it's almost a crime of opportunity and

in my opinion with all of the current

perks in the game this isn't too bad if

the killer occasionally tunnels someone

this is the moment where anti- tunneling

perks are going to be very very helpful

if you have decisive of of the record

it's probably going to help you quite a

bit and if the Killer is successful and

manages to Tunnel one person off it's

not the end of the world the person will

probably be on stage two or maybe the

will be done because the killer has

probably hooked other people perks like

Deliverance or reassurance or all other

kinds of anti anti- momentum Survivor

perks will come into play so it's not

that big of a deal in my opinion the

real problematic tunneling is the

aggressive turbo tunneling the the very

much deliberate hard tunneling we could

call it this is When a Killer goes out

of the way to pick a Survivor hook them

at this point they might injure a few

other survivors or kick some some gem

with pop or apply pain and then they

immediately go after the unhook hit the

Survivor immediately to this obviously

prevents all kinds of like uh healing

Burks from really working because it's

so immediate uh any stealth perks don't

really do much at this point because the

killer never really has a chance to lose

you and then they'll down the Survivor

they'll pull them on the hook again

they'll get another pain or another pop

or whatever and then they'll do it again

and this will result in a very common

scenario where you have three hooks and

already one kill I'm sure maybe the

survivors have done a gen or two but at

this point the killer still has pain

rest on the other survivors still has

pop on the other survivors and the 3v1

is very brutal not to mention that this

is often done by killers that are high

tier in the killer tier list they are

very very strong you can't really body

block against them you can't really last

very long in Chase so at this point you

are in a loose loose 3B one scenario

this is what happens in tournaments

often times the killer will just focus

on one Survivor try to get them killed

because they can't really afford to do

anything else this in my opinion is the

problematic type of tunneling sure if

there were no stier Killers survivors

could always come and take hits although

let's be honest in Solo que this would

probably still never happen but this is

the type of tunneling that I think makes

the game less fun I don't think there

should ever be a scenario where if

survivors are are doing their best and

they're not making any obvious mistakes

a killer gets a Kill

only after three hooks keep in mind you

can get eight Hooks and zero kills but

if you do it right and you tunnel you

can get one kill at only three hooks

this is the type of aggressive hard

tunneling that I do think makes the game

very unfun for the person being tunneled

especially if it's a killer that's

really hard to avoid and pretty much

hopeless for everyone else my proposal

today only aims to address this type of

tunneling the other types of tunneling

as I explained earlier can be count to a

more or less effective degree with anti-

tunneling perks or all of the kind of

perks and Teamworks so it's the very

aggressive tunneling that we're going to

be trying to uh correct or heavily

discourage uh for the killers here's how

we're going to do it so my proposal

would introduce a new mechanic called

buron survivors could use this mechanic

to prevent a situation where a killer

can sacrifice One Survivor with only

three hooks if this mechanic is used a

killer would now need four hooks before

the first Survivor dies now how does

this work this mechanic is completely

optional it can be disabled for

alternative game modes and it can be

completely ignored in tournaments so

that it doesn't compromise any balance

and it only triggers it can only be

triggered in one situation and one

situation only and that is if the killer

has hooked two times on the same

Survivor at the start of the game in the

end game this doesn't work if someone

else has been hooked this doesn't

doesn't work if the killer has hooked

multiple people it doesn't work if the

Survivor hits stage two because no one

rescues him it doesn't work it only

works if the killer has hooked One

Survivor let's say Dwight and then has

gone out of their way to hook that

Survivor again in this situation now the

burden mechanic becomes available for

the other survivors other survivors that

come close to the hook now have the

prompt to take burden if they accept it

second hook stage on Dwight will become

yellow indicating that it can be

transferred and a temporary hook stage

will also appear on the Survivor taking

the burden indicating that they are

ready to be transferred one hook stage

they would effectively be taking the

burden off the hook Survivor for one

hook stage now mind you this wouldn't do

anything right away at this point if the

killer decides to go for another person

the burden will be canceled and nothing

will happen it will be like a normal

match and obviously Dwight will have to

be careful because he is De on hook but

it will be the same as usual however if

the killer decides to hook the the same

subber a third time this is when the

burden will uh take will take uh place

and it will be transferred if the killer

tries to hook Dwight a third time then

that hook stage will be instead

transferred to the Survivor that took

the burden this will activate any perks

like uh pain res or any perks that um

rely on hooking a unique Survivor like

griman brace because technically the

Killer is hooking the other Survivor and

now the Dwight will be on a second

second stage in this situation we now

Force the killer to still go through

several anti- tunneling perks if he

wants to Tunnel the Dwight here he might

have to take a lot of risk and it's

taking quite a bit of time so Jens could

be doing could be done in the background

and obviously camping is now even less

of a good idea than before so this

really forces Killers to abandon the

idea that they will hook one guy hook

one guy hook one guy bam three hooks one

kill and now I just defend and and play

the 3B one the 3B one would be delayed

at least by a little bit and what I

really like about this is that you can

still tunnel but you cannot do it right

away you can hook One Survivor then

another Survivor and then tunnel the

second Survivor or the first but you

need to at least Chase multiple people

and this opens up a lot of opportunities

for survivors if you have multiple

people that are good in the team and one

of them takes the killer for a long

Chase well they can lose the game right

there if you have multiple anti-

tunneling perks now you can use them you

have a better chance to use if you have

stealth perks or healing perks since the

Killer is more encouraged to go for

multiple survivors there is a much

better chance that you'll be able to to

heal yourself with Resurgence or will

make it or that you'll be able to

disappear with some stealth perks so it

encourages uh that variety of perks on

the Survivor side and punishes killers

that are trying to Tunnel very very

aggressively while still allowing you to

Tunnel a little bit if you want to take

on that risk um I like that this works

against every killer I like even more so

against the killers that it's that you

expect to tunnel and I like that it also

is easy to see in the heart and pretty

intuitive and the best part is that this

doesn't affect the normal game play too

much it doesn't have any huge

implication for the average game because

the average game isn't quite like this

the average game typically revolves

around the killer hooking maybe one or

two people before trying to kill someone

so I don't think this is a very very

intrusive change I think it wouldn't

affect most matches but it would take

those matches uh that are really really

uh hopeless where you go against a nurse

that triple tunnels uh your teammate and

make them a little bit more bearable now

I can hear some people saying isn't this

a straight nerve to killer yeah but I do

think that killer should be balanced

around getting a few Hooks and then a

kill I don't think the gam playay

balance should be geared towards three

hooks one kill every single time because

let's be honest the killers that are are

good at doing that are the S tier

killers you know we do need kill we do

need um an ecosystem where it's more

normalized to get multiple hooks before

someone starts to die and where the only

option isn't just to hook one person

right now I do believe you have a

problem because it's such a good idea to

Tunnel a person when you tunnel One

Survivor you play around Deliverance you

play around off the Record you play

around so many perks that could hurt you

later on so it makes a lot of sense to

do that so I think if these anti-

tunneling perks are nerfed slightly

across the board if other things are

tweaked across the board the game could

be balanced around at least a minimum of

four hooks and one

kill um and also because uh hook stages

are now 70 seconds I also would consider

uh slight tweaks to the two perks that

exist that extend the hook stages uh

these perks are a little bit silly uh

right now they can allow a shabber to be

on the hook for approximately 70 years

which I don't appreciate so I would

tweak these perks as well and a bunch of

other perks to accommodate for this uh

let me know what you think do you think

this is a good change I think this would

make uh I don't know the game a little

bit healthier and it would be at a point

where if this was The New Normal

everything could be balanced around it

and we would have a game that maybe is

more geared towards killer making a

comeback and making a strong play in the

middle to late game rather than

everything being decided in the first

two chases cuz that's kind of what we

have right now you have a good chase a

couple downs and then everything

trickles down you don't get it down in 1

minute they pop three gens and it's

basically hopeless it's very binary so I

do like this alternative a little bit

better I considered sending this to

behavior first but honestly I have more

fun sharing it with the community and

getting your thoughts uh rather than

presenting this to behavior and hoping

that they will consider it and also last

time I presented this to my stream uh

people were quite torn and quite

undecided on it I hope that I manage to

present it

coherently so that you guys understand

the idea and let me know what you think

or if you have a better idea or if you

think there's a simpler more elegant

solution to the issue of tunneling thank

you so much for watching see you in the

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