Our Initial Thoughts on Valve's 'Deadlock'

Summary

In this episode of 'Topical Punch,' the Second Wind team discusses their experience with 'Vals Deadlock,' a new MOBA hero shooter. With varying backgrounds in MOBAs, the hosts share their thoughts on the game's blend of hero shooter and MOBA elements. They debate the game's accessibility, strategic depth, and character design, noting its potential while also pointing out areas for improvement. The conversation touches on the game's mechanics, map design, and the challenge of appealing to both MOBA and hero shooter fans.

Takeaways

• 🎮 The podcast 'Topical Punch' discusses the new MOBA game 'Val's Deadlock', focusing on the closed Alpha test experience.
• 👥 The hosts have varying levels of experience with MOBAs, from several hundred to over 4,000 hours played.
• 🔍 The discussion explores the game's balance between MOBA and hero shooter elements, with differing opinions on its success in blending the genres.
• 🤔 Nick, with less MOBA experience, found the game less accessible due to the genre's notorious steep learning curve and skill gap.
• 🏹 Jay, an experienced MOBA player, appreciated the game's faster pace and less rigid lane structure, which he found more accessible.
• 🎯 The game's mechanics, such as the ability to quickly move around the map and the verticality, were praised for enhancing the gameplay experience.
• 🛡️ The hosts noted the lack of clear character roles and the absence of traditional MOBA roles like ADC or support, which could confuse new players.
• 🎨 Jesse criticized the game's art and design, feeling the character models and color schemes were unappealing and lacked cohesion.
• 👾 There was a general consensus that 'Val's Deadlock' has potential, especially if it can attract players looking for a blend of MOBA and hero shooter gameplay.
• 📈 The hosts suggested that the game's success will depend on effective marketing and clear communication of its unique selling points to the right audience.

Q & A

What is the name of the game discussed in the 'Topical Punch' episode?

The game discussed in the 'Topical Punch' episode is 'Vals Deadlock'.

What genre does Vals Deadlock belong to?

Vals Deadlock is a new MOBA (Multiplayer Online Battle Arena) and hero shooter light experience.

How many hours of MOBA experience does Jay have across different games?

Jay has about 4,000 hours of experience across various MOBAs including Dota 2, League of Legends, Heroes of the Storm, and Paragon.

What is Nick's experience with MOBAs?

Nick's experience with MOBAs is limited, having tried Dota 2 for a week and Smite 2 briefly after trying Deadlock.

What feature in Vals Deadlock helps players get back into the action quickly?

In Vals Deadlock, the zipline feature allows players to quickly get back into the action.

How does Vals Deadlock handle the traditional MOBA lane structure?

Vals Deadlock has distinct lanes but allows for a more free-form playstyle without strictly enforcing specific character roles in each lane.

What are the three main attributes players can upgrade in Vals Deadlock?

In Vals Deadlock, players can upgrade their characters' attributes in weapon, vitality, and spirit.

What is one aspect of Vals Deadlock that the panelists found lacking in terms of character roles?

The panelists found that Vals Deadlock lacks clear character roles and class definitions, such as support or jungler, which are common in traditional MOBAs.

What is one feature of Vals Deadlock that the panelists found appealing in terms of gameplay?

The panelists appreciated the third-person shooting gameplay in Vals Deadlock, noting that it felt solid and enjoyable.

What concern does the panel have about Vals Deadlock's ability to attract players from both MOBA and hero shooter communities?

The panel is concerned that Vals Deadlock might not fully satisfy players from either the MOBA or hero shooter communities due to its hybrid nature, potentially not focusing enough on the aspects that make each genre appealing.

What is one suggestion the panel has for improving Vals Deadlock's appeal to hero shooter players?

One suggestion for improving Vals Deadlock's appeal to hero shooter players is to introduce more uniform objectives and a clearer focus on the shooter elements of the gameplay.

Outlines

00:00

🎮 Introduction to 'Topical Punch' and 'Val's Deadlock'

The video script introduces the show 'Topical Punch' with hosts Casey, Nick, Candra, and Jesse. They discuss their familiarity with MOBAs (Multiplayer Online Battle Arenas) and their experience with games like Dota 2, League of Legends, and Smite. The main topic of the episode is 'Val's Deadlock,' a new MOBA shooter game in its closed Alpha test. The hosts share their initial thoughts on the game, highlighting the blend of MOBA and hero shooter elements. They also touch on the difficulty of getting into MOBAs due to the skill gap and complex game mechanics.

05:01

🤔 Balancing MOBA and Hero Shooter Elements in 'Val's Deadlock'

The hosts continue their discussion on 'Val's Deadlock,' focusing on the game's balance between MOBA and hero shooter elements. They debate the game's accessibility, with some appreciating the less structured lanes and faster-paced action, while others feel it lacks the depth and strategy of traditional MOBAs. The conversation also covers the game's mechanics, such as the zipline feature for quick map traversal and the importance of last-hitting minions for experience points. The hosts express concerns that the game might not fully satisfy fans of either genre due to its hybrid nature.

10:02

🎖️ 'Val's Deadlock' Gameplay and Character Experiences

In this segment, the hosts delve into their personal experiences with 'Val's Deadlock,' discussing the gameplay feel and character abilities. They mention the game's simplified upgrade system with three main attributes: weapon, vitality, and spirit. The hosts express varied opinions on the game's mechanics, with some enjoying the shooting and movement aspects, while others feel the strategy elements detract from the action. The conversation also touches on the lack of clear character roles and the need for better UI and explanations for game mechanics.

15:04

🌟 Final Thoughts on 'Val's Deadlock' and Its Potential

The hosts wrap up their discussion with final thoughts on 'Val's Deadlock.' They acknowledge the game's potential, especially in the mobile space, but stress the importance of proper advertising to attract the right audience. Some hosts express disappointment that the game did not fully convert them into MOBA enthusiasts, while others remain optimistic about its future. They also comment on the game's aesthetics, noting the need for more coherent art direction and storytelling. The conversation ends with the hosts thanking viewers for joining their discussion and looking forward to future episodes.

Keywords

💡MOBA

MOBA stands for Multiplayer Online Battle Arena, a genre of strategy video games where each player controls a character with unique abilities. The genre is characterized by strategic team-based gameplay, typically involving two teams of players competing to destroy the opposing team's main structure. In the video, the discussion revolves around 'Val's Deadlock,' a new MOBA game, and the panelists share their experiences with various MOBAs, such as 'League of Legends,' 'Dota 2,' and 'Smite.'

💡Hero Shooter

A hero shooter is a subgenre of first-person shooter games that incorporates elements of hero characters, each with unique abilities, into the gameplay. These games often feature team-based objectives and hero selection, which can impact the team's strategy. The video's discussion contrasts hero shooters with MOBAs, as the panelists express their expectations for 'Val's Deadlock' to blend hero shooter mechanics with MOBA gameplay.

💡Val's Deadlock

'Val's Deadlock' is a new MOBA game that is the central topic of the video. The panelists discuss their experiences playing the game during its closed Alpha test. The game is described as having elements of both MOBAs and hero shooters, which generates a debate among the panelists about whether it leans more towards one genre or the other and how this might affect its appeal to different types of players.

💡Skill Gap

The skill gap in gaming refers to the difference in ability between new and experienced players. In the context of the video, the panelists discuss the difficulty of getting into MOBAs due to the significant skill gap and the steep learning curve associated with mastering the mechanics, strategies, and map awareness required to play effectively.

💡Map Awareness

Map awareness is the ability to be conscious of and understand the state of the game map, including the positions of enemies, allies, and objectives. It is a crucial aspect of MOBA gameplay. The panelists mention map awareness as a challenging aspect of MOBAs, which 'Val's Deadlock' attempts to address by introducing features that allow for quicker map traversal and more immediate engagement with the game's objectives.

💡Verticality

Verticality in gaming refers to the use of the game's three-dimensional space, allowing players to move and interact not just on a flat plane but also up and down. The video mentions that 'Val's Deadlock' incorporates verticality into its gameplay, which is not common in many MOBAs, and this adds a layer of complexity and strategy to the game.

💡Zipline Feature

The zipline feature is a gameplay mechanic in 'Val's Deadlock' that allows players to quickly traverse the map by using ziplines. This feature is highlighted in the video as a way to reduce downtime between engagements and to facilitate faster response to in-game events, which is a departure from the more static map movement in traditional MOBAs.

💡Lanes

In MOBAs, lanes refer to the paths that run from the base to the enemy's base, where players start and where most of the early game action takes place. The panelists discuss how 'Val's Deadlock' deviates from traditional MOBA lane structures by allowing for more freedom in lane choice and less strict adherence to traditional lane roles, which can impact the strategic depth of the game.

💡Macro and Mechanical Gameplay

Macro gameplay refers to the strategic, big-picture decisions in a game, such as resource management and map control, while mechanical gameplay refers to the execution of individual actions and skills. The panelists contrast these aspects of MOBAs with the more immediate, action-oriented gameplay of hero shooters, noting that 'Val's Deadlock' attempts to blend both but may not fully satisfy players looking for either pure MOBA or pure hero shooter experiences.

💡Character Roles

Character roles in MOBAs define the function of a character within a team, such as damage dealer, support, or tank. The video discusses the lack of clearly defined roles in 'Val's Deadlock,' which contrasts with traditional MOBAs where roles are well-established. This ambiguity may affect how players strategize and choose their characters.

Highlights

Introduction to the podcast 'Topical Punch' and the topic of discussion: the new MOBA game 'Val's Deadlock'.

The hosts share their experiences with MOBAs, ranging from Dota 2 to League of Legends and third-person MOBAs like Smite.

Nick's brief and unsuccessful foray into Dota 2 and his subsequent experience with Smite.

The discussion on the difficulty of getting into MOBAs due to the skill gap and the complexity of map strategy.

Jesse's preference for a hybrid of hero shooter and MOBA, but feeling that 'Val's Deadlock' leans too much into MOBA mechanics.

Jay's appreciation for the game's balance between complexity and accessibility, and the potential for it to attract new players to the MOBA genre.

The conversation about the game's fast-paced nature, with quick character movement and zipline features.

Nick's critique of the game's lack of character class definitions and the absence of clear roles like in traditional MOBAs.

The hosts' differing opinions on whether 'Val's Deadlock' successfully blends hero shooter and MOBA elements.

Candra's enjoyment of the game's third-person shooting mechanics and the variety of hero abilities.

The potential of 'Val's Deadlock' to become a significant contender in the MOBA space, according to Jay.

Nick's comparison of 'Val's Deadlock' to 'Battleborn' and his interest in the game's strategic elements.

The hosts' consensus on the need for better UI and clearer explanations of game mechanics like 'spirit'.

Jesse's desire for more defined character roles and the potential addition of a dedicated support character.

Candra's critique of the game's aesthetics, including character designs and the game's setting.

The hosts wrap up the discussion with final thoughts on 'Val's Deadlock' and its potential future.

Transcripts

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hey everybody welcome back uh it's us at

Second Wind again my name's Casey wosu

joining me today is jate hello Nick

candra hey and Jesse Galina hey and

welcome to topical punch we did we

didn't confirm it that's name it's

called topical punch

we did not for two of us dressed up for

this topical event and two were left in

the any this topical

Iceland this uh episode is going to be

based around vals deadlock it's a new

MOBA slh hero shooter light experience

the four of us uh spent some time in its

closed Alpha test um lots of people are

playing it there's a lot of Buzz around

it uh but since we got access we decided

you know we'd sit down have a quick talk

about our thoughts and opinions on it

but um you know first up how familiar

are most of you guys with mobas in

general like I know some more than

others Jay in

particular I'll I'll let everyone else

speak to them yeah uh Jesse what is your

experience with movas uh enough time in

League of Legends to think maybe I

should get sweaty and then realize that

was a terrible decision uh stop getting

sweaty and then realize that no one else

in the Community wanted to play like I

did uh and stop that and then a actually

a whole lot of smite so third person

mobas I have several hour okay yeah uh

how about you

Jay me uh across the board between Dota

2 League of Legends Heroes of the Storm

and Paragon which is relevant with it

being a third person shooter MOBA uh I

have about 4,000 hours between them um I

I'm a if you discount MMOs I'm a big

mobile player so um this was you know

right up my street and uh I've got a lot

to say well now this is done uh how

about you Nick are you very familiar

with mobas is it a blind spot for you my

uh my experience with them is loading up

Dota 2 for about a week which the

community likes to uh poke fun at me for

cuz I I got into it for like a week and

then I got out of it real quick uh and

then I loaded up Smite 2 after trying

deadlock and somebody was really mean to

me and I was like

that's usually how it Go the M

experience I've always enjoyed the

concept of mobas but every like I feel

like it's a genre that's just really

hard to break into because of the skill

Gap onboarding is is insane yeah it's

it's not necessarily the the character

um skill Gap it's the you know the macro

map um and mechanical sense that's

really hard to get a grasp up I I have t

like I've tested a lot of different ones

like I've had friends who are big into

them and they want to pull you in cuz

they need people who won't get mad at

them I guess uh when you play but I've

always bounced off like I tried Smite I

tried uh that old Lord of the Rings one

uh I I tried to even just watch

competitive League of Legends and like

it's incomprehensible there was a Lord

of the Rings mooba there was yeah for

like it was a Xbox push I believe they

were like a you want you want this

mobile and Xbox Lord of the Rings baby

yeah so I mean all that that concept has

just not jelled well with me and I I've

largely blamed it on the fact that mobas

are a little hands offy in terms of

mechanics it's more about strategy like

Jay mentioned like you know map

awareness and stuff like that so

deadlock seem to maybe be addressing

some of that in that it does fuse some

more hero shooter like elements into the

core gameplay but it is still very much

aoba so I'm just I'm just curious uh as

someone who is more of a hero shooter

fan as a mobile fan jumping into this to

me felt like I like the wool had maybe

been pulled over my eyes like I thought

I was going to get kind of a unique hero

shooter experience and it's just not

that like it's very much a

MOBA I land

between the tides in a way so I'm also a

big hero shooter player and I wanted

this to be a hybrid of a hero shooter

and a MOA but when we actually got in

and got to play I started to realize oh

they are leaning way harder into the

MOBA um kind of sphere than I first

anticipated and the problem for me is

they're not leaning hard enough into it

they're trying to keep it free form like

you can kind of play what you want and

go in whatever Lane you want whereas in

a lot of traditional mobas there are

very distinct lanes that specific

characters excel in and you do that like

you can't in League you shouldn't be

playing a character that excels in the

jungle in say mid lane because they'll

just get destroyed by the other

characters but here in Deadlock it seems

way more free form I I would like to

have either more of a third person um

MOBA or have more of a hero shooter that

has uniform objectives and I just don't

think they' they've done enough of

either see that's funny I I like it that

it's right in the middle of the two

because uh my big problem with mobas is

like you know playing Smite a lot of

your time is kind of spent just running

getting back to the battle for a lot of

them and uh deadlock has this nice

zipline feature that kind of gets you

right back into the action your

characters move pretty fast base level

so like you know you can get around the

map quickly there's a lot of a lot of

verticality which I don't think happens

really in all any mobas that I've played

um and I do like I do like that the

lanes aren't super structured because I

played one round of SM two and I was in

the left lane and then I went to the

middle and I got yelled at I was like I

didn't understand that so it's making it

more accessible for sure um and I like

that the uh I like that the movement on

the map like because of that lane

structure that way the strategy kind of

shifts and pulls across the map in

different areas uh so the way they have

deadlock set up is that you know you

have to your Towers which your your

Guardians and then your Walkers uh and

then you know basically like at when

one's being attacked I think in Smite I

don't know if it shows a health bar when

they're being attacked but in this one

that shows you a health bar so you can

see the direct progress and like how

urgent it is that you need to Cross

Lanes and go help and come back and that

that is something that happens in more

traditional mobas it just happens a lot

later in the experience you know 10 15

20 minutes in that's when the map kind

of things start to progress along the

map and you start trying to progress

towards objectives collectively as a

team rather than staying in your lanes

and you're right like deadlock does do

this it gets into that straight away

like like we were playing yesterday and

um I was solo Lane and two people came

into my lane and I was getting trounced

on and I just said I need help and one

of you quickly zip lined over and

supported me and it's it's really nice

that you can do that immediately but I

believe it does take away some of the

strategy from um a lot of what mobas

bring to the

table

yeah I know I found myself in the middle

cuz some of the things that Nick was

talking about and like that quicker

stuff happening I love a lot like that

is absolutely what I want I hate waiting

30 minutes before I can stop

one-shotting minions like in my lane and

I can do something else that drives me

wild but a lot of the stuff that makes

mobas kind of boring to me hasn't been

replaced it's just been focused on so

like you have to get the last shot on

the minion but now you also have to get

the confirm kill to shoot the little

soul that's coming out of it or it'll

get denied from someone else shooting it

so then also trying to deny their shots

so you're just zoomed in on this one

part of the game and then that kind of

makes me lose the the ability to look at

the larger map and have that sort of

strategy and be able to move freely

because that's the part I like is being

like hey Lane four needs help and I'm in

Lane one I'm like all right cool I'll

just head over there like why not like

but it it doesn't really for me it

didn't really allow me to do that which

was a a big bummer yeah for for me like

it didn't feel like a like a good

blending of the two like it they they

the two systems which is like light hero

shooter mechanics and mug gameplay felt

opposed to one another because the

things that I like out of hero Shooters

is you know that that nice movement that

ability to you know get head shot uh and

make use of your character and the

synergize with other players or whatnot

but when you do have to focus on the

strategy of the minions and then the the

stuff you have to buy to strengthen

yourself in the store so that you stand

a better chance when you do get into PVP

engagements all of that felt like a

distraction to what I really wanted to

be doing which was running out there and

getting into like firefights with people

yeah and this is the um the Crux of the

issue for me which is I believe a lot of

people are going to be coming into

deadlock wanting that and there's also

going to be a lot of M players who are

wanting to come in and seeing that

complexity and that depth that mobas can

bring and I think because they're not

hyperfocusing on EV or it could

potentially put both sides of the party

off cuz I don't see a lot of say League

Legends players wanting to come to

replace that with deadlock and I don't

see a lot of like hero shooter players

wanting to come and replace that kind of

quick Snappy uh kind of quick playay

game play with deadlock there's going to

be a niche of players who want both but

how big is that audience right um who

knows it might be a beautiful way to get

people into the mobile genre um but I

can fore it putting a lot of people off

I mean it got Nick so yeah yeah I really

I really like deadlock like it hit that

perfect balance of not being it's

complex but not too complex cuz you know

when you look at League or whatever it's

almost like when you were streaming wow

the other day and I was like oh my God

there's a billion icons on your screen I

have no idea what any of this means and

in deadlock they simplify it to uh

weapon vitality and spirit to me like

it's readable I know what I'm upgrading

I know what I'm doing I know what I'm

focusing on I don't really fully

understand the spirit stuff yet I think

they need to do a better job of

explaining what that is I know it's tied

to your abilities and all that and how

much damage like fire does to you over

bullets it's in early pre-alpha so I

mean you know getting some more UI in

there to explain that things those

things better is going to help but uh my

big my is something it does my my big

thing with moas though in general it's

like none of them just have like that

that right gameplay feel to me and like

I I wouldn't say like Dota or any of

those feel good to play like people play

them for the strategy no I agree uh the

closest thing for me was is maybe

predecessor but even in predecessor I

don't feel like I'm hitting anything and

then in deadlock like the gameplay like

the third person shooting gameplay feels

really good and having I think i'

probably out of all of you I think I've

played the most cuz I played a bunch of

that first night that we got codes and

I've played probably about half the

heroes and there isn't a hero that I

really didn't enjoy using which is a big

surprise to me cuz usually in hero

shooters or anything like that I I flock

to maybe two or three and in this I

found like most of the abilities are

really fun to use and especially uh that

last match we played yesterday where I

finally figured out like the build for

the fire guy and I started ripping

people apart and I was like I get it

this is fun

it's safe to say that Nick you plan on

playing more of this when we get you

know additional opportunities when it's

out of alpha when it's

launching yeah now I've been uh I've

been I've had the itch for a new shooter

that involves strategy and you know

that's how much I like siege for that

the strategy part of that um and the

closest thing this this game reminds me

of is uh battleborn weirdly enough um

which it did not farewell no but even

like even like gigantic tried to make it

comeback we streamed that and I think

all of us kind of came away like

eh so yeah I think I think this has a

bright future ah outad of it like it's

really really mechanically solid already

I think you know some map adjustments

some strategy

adjustments figure better UI to better

explain the characters and what all this

all the spirit does and all that I think

I think this game's going to do quite

well I think for people like Nick

awesome it's hitting them for people

like me if they introduce some new

elements like if they just have a

character that comes in and is a

complete healer like don't worry about

final shotting kind of like a support in

League where it's like you don't want to

One-Shot minions all you do is poke at

the enemy and heal your team and buff

them and that's it and like if they

introduce character like that awesome I

would like that a lot it might get me

more interested in this game but it

seems like the shooting is such a

hardcore part of it it may not happen

that that is a weird part about dead

luck there is no like character classes

really which is what I was getting to

about the lanes right in in League or

traditional mobas you have a an ADC or a

carry and a support who supports the mid

lane um and a midlaner or a jungler and

Deadlock has jungle camps I don't know

if you guys noticed that in the center

of the map there are jungle camps um and

there are distinct Lanes but at no point

could I through reading the descriptions

or playing them understand what

direction or role the kind of character

should be playing um I was looking for

one that was like this is very clearly a

jungler they benefit from being in

killing the jungle camps um and that's

what I feel like it's missing um from

that entire experience I want there to

be a support and you know you come and

support me Jesse and stuff like that

yeah cuz they don't even have like uh

like let alone roles like Top Lane

jungle they don't even have a basic

thing like I do a lot of damage look at

this Tommy Gun like that character does

not say explicitly what they do and I

was you have to inue it and it feels

weird yeah I read through a bunch of

them be like but who's support like who

does a thing I want to do and I that was

a hard thing to find that I had to go

through playing and I ended up playing

several characters I did not like yeah

yeah that that may just be that I mean

that seems like an easy fix though right

like they can just lab the characters

who fit those roles and tweak them as

well right they very well could be yeah

I mean that that that the first match we

played yesterday I was playing somewhat

of a support character cuz I was able to

drop a healing item behind Jay and all

that and support him as he was going in

uh and then she also had the the wall

that I could set up and I kept I kept

blocking Jesse from getting kills on

accident by accident yeah MH there's

spikes on the other side I was trying to

get the kill

as um as much as I have been you know

maybe criticizing some of the designs um

I still really enjoyed my time with it

uh as as a mobile player um I because I

can naturally um do a lot of the things

that is required for mobile players I

found actually playing and kind of

dominating in matches relatively easy so

for me I look forward to going in and

basically just being extremely ful

because I know what to do on the larger

macro scale um and then getting an

encountering uh maybe in ranked play

players who do play mobas and seeing

what that kind of high level gameplay

looks like uh I do think this game has a

future and could be be like a huge

contender in the mobile space it just

needs

to be really careful on how it

advertises itself because I think if

they just do it through a look it's a

hero shoe of mobile elements a lot of

people are going to get turned off they

need to just advertise it correctly yeah

Jay you helped a lot in that last match

in terms of

focusing me and I guess Jesse as well on

like what we should be doing to then be

successful and like have a character

that can you know matter and get kills

in a match and after all of that once I

was like okay I I'm starting to

understand like what I'm supposed to do

here I still felt like this wasn't for

me so so and I think that just might be

the case for a lot of people like

because it is like and I I I guess I was

hoping it was going to be the thing that

turned me on to the magic of the Moa but

I I think I still just sit outside that

wall yeah and I will say for all my

complaints and that I currently don't

plan to play more and maybe I'll touch

it again some other time uh really

wellmade like Jay saying it has a future

like yeah it's good enough in Alpha to

for that to be fairly clear again Casey

if it's advertised to the correct Market

yeah I think that's fair any

final statements on deadlock before we

wrap this up can I just say it's really

ugly like am I allowed to I think the

character designs don't look good I

don't like the muted colors I hate the

setting I love that it's magenta I mean

it's Alpha but there's no context for

why like I don't know why there's a blue

Hellboy I don't know why like the

minions have candles for heads like I

there's like story stuff missing but

like it's Alpha so like I guess that's

not super important and it's a MOA thing

like League of Legends law and DOTA law

is all just in descriptions and stuff

like that they it's difficult to convey

all but I do feel like there's some

level of uniformity in league and DOTA

and smite and and Heroes of the Storm

which thanks for reminding me as a game

I forgot uh I've even played it that

looking at it it's like oh I could kind

of put these pieces together like I

don't and then I can read descriptions

and be like oh I was right or wrong

about this but in this I have no idea

why anything is happening and there's a

lot of evil disembodied voices

whispering in my ear the whole match and

I feel like I should be worried and I

don't know

why you sure that wasn't just me there

was also

dick come to Blue Lane come to Blue

being mad every time I stole a

kill but yeah I mean that's that's the

MOBA experience in a

nutshell but uh but thanks everyone for

hanging out with us for another one of

these topical punch

conversations yeah we'll catch you on

the next one take care everybody bye bye

byebye

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