How to Disprove the Iglesia Ni Cristo in 5 Minutes [#1]
Summary
TLDRThe speaker, a former member of the Restoration Branch Church, critiques its foundational belief in the complete apostasy of the first-century Church of Christ. They argue that the Church did not fully apostatize, as evidenced by biblical passages and historical context, thus challenging the necessity of their leader, Felix Waimanalo. The video refutes the Church's claims using scriptural analysis, highlighting misinterpretations and logical fallacies, ultimately aiming to demonstrate the Church's false teachings.
Takeaways
- 😀 The speaker, a former member of the Restoration Branch, critiques the belief system of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS), focusing on the concept of the 'great apostasy'.
- 🏛 The foundation of LDS's belief system is the idea that the early Christian church apostatized, necessitating a restoration by Joseph Smith.
- 📜 The speaker argues against the LDS interpretation of biblical texts, such as 2 Thessalonians 2 and Acts 20, which they claim are used to support the notion of a complete apostasy.
- 🔍 The video challenges the LDS view that the Catholic Church is responsible for the 'great apostasy' and counters this by discussing the historical context of biblical passages.
- 🙅♂️ The speaker refutes the LDS argument by emphasizing that the 'great apostasy' is not a historical event but a future one, according to mainstream Christian eschatology.
- 🌐 The video discusses the concept of 'replacement theology,' which the LDS allegedly uses to claim that the church has replaced Israel, a notion the speaker disputes.
- 📖 The speaker uses biblical verses, such as Matthew 28:19-20 and John 16, to argue that Jesus promised the presence of the Holy Spirit to guide the church, implying it could not have completely apostatized.
- 🤔 The video calls for viewers to critically examine their beliefs and encourages those within the LDS to seek truth outside of their tradition.
- 💌 The speaker extends an invitation for dialogue and provides contact information for those who wish to discuss the topics further, indicating a willingness to engage in constructive conversation.
- 🔗 The video concludes with a call to support the speaker's ministry through Patreon, reflecting a desire to dedicate more time to creating content and spreading the gospel.
Q & A
What is the main argument the speaker is trying to disprove in the video?
-The speaker is trying to disprove the belief that the first-century Church of Christ was completely apostatized after the Apostles died, which is the foundational belief of the Restorationist movement, specifically the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church).
Why is disproving the apostasy of the first-century Church important to the speaker?
-Disproving the apostasy of the first-century Church is crucial because it undermines the necessity for Joseph Smith as a prophet to restore the Church, thus challenging the legitimacy of the LDS Church.
What does the speaker claim about the interpretation of 2nd Thessalonians 2:3 by the LDS Church?
-The speaker claims that the LDS Church misinterprets 2nd Thessalonians 2:3 by skipping verse 4 and taking the verses out of context, suggesting that the 'great apostasy' they refer to has not yet occurred and is associated with the end times, not the first century.
What is the 'great apostasy' as referred to in the script?
-The 'great apostasy' refers to a significant falling away from the true faith, which the speaker argues is a future event associated with the end times and the emergence of the Antichrist, not something that happened in the first century.
Why does the speaker believe that the LDS Church's argument is flawed?
-The speaker believes the LDS Church's argument is flawed because it is based on a misinterpretation of biblical texts, the use of non-credible sources like Wikipedia, and logical fallacies such as cherry-picking data and taking things out of context.
What does the speaker suggest about the持续性 of the Church established by Christ?
-The speaker suggests that the Church established by Christ has not been completely apostatized and continues to this day, contrary to the LDS Church's claim that there was a complete apostasy necessitating a restoration.
What is the 'replacement theology' mentioned in the script, and why does the speaker reject it?
-Replacement theology is the belief that the Church has replaced Israel in God's plan. The speaker rejects it because they believe that the Bible's promises to Israel are irrevocable and that the New Testament still refers to Israel as God's chosen people.
How does the speaker address the use of Wikipedia as a source by the LDS Church?
-The speaker criticizes the use of Wikipedia as a source by the LDS Church, arguing that it is not a credible resource due to its editable nature by anyone, and points out that it represents a logical fallacy known as the Texas sharpshooter fallacy.
What does the speaker suggest is the role of the Holy Spirit in guiding the Church?
-The speaker suggests that the Holy Spirit plays a crucial role in guiding the Church into all truth and preventing it from complete apostasy, as mentioned in the Bible, particularly in 1st Corinthians 3:16 and John 16:13-14.
What is the speaker's call to action for viewers who are members of the LDS Church?
-The speaker calls on viewers who are members of the LDS Church to have an open mind and heart, to seek the truth, and to consider the possibility that their beliefs might be false. They also encourage viewers to share this video and its insights with others.
Outlines
🔍 Disproving the Apostasy of the First-Century Church
The speaker, a former member of the 'Church of Christ', aims to debunk the belief in the complete apostasy of the first-century Church of Christ. They argue that the foundation of the 'Church of Christ' doctrine is the belief in the total apostasy of the early Church, which they claim is necessary to validate their prophet, Felix Waimanalo. The speaker contends that if this premise is false, the entire doctrine collapses. They examine the scriptural basis for this belief, focusing on the interpretation of 1 Timothy 4:1 and other verses, and argue that the Bible does not support the idea of a complete apostasy, but rather acknowledges some degree of apostasy without totalizing it.
📚 The Great Apostasy and the Role of the Catholic Church
The speaker refutes the claim that the Catholic Church is responsible for the 'great apostasy'. They differentiate between a general apostasy and the 'great apostasy', which they assert is a future event associated with the end times. They critique the selective reading of 2 Thessalonians 2:3 and the misinterpretation of Acts 20:29-30, arguing that these verses do not support the idea of the apostasy occurring in the first century. The speaker also addresses the use of Wikipedia as an unreliable source and the logical fallacy of cherry-picking data to support their argument. They conclude by emphasizing that the 'great apostasy' is a future event and that the Catholic Church, despite its errors, is not the sole cause of apostasy.
🙏 The持续性 of the Church and the Holy Spirit's Role
The speaker discusses the持续性 of the Church and the role of the Holy Spirit in guiding and protecting it from complete apostasy. They reference Matthew 28:19-20, known as the Great Commission, and Jesus' promise to be with his followers until the end of the age. They also mention the gift of the Holy Spirit as a guide to truth, as stated in John 16:13-14, and 1 Corinthians 3:16. The speaker argues that the Holy Spirit's presence ensures the Church's continuity and truth, contradicting the idea of complete apostasy. They also address the concept of 'replacement theology', asserting that Israel's role in God's plan remains intact and that the Church is not a replacement for Israel.
📖 Biblical Interpretation and the Fallacies of the 'Church of Christ'
The speaker highlights the fallacies in the 'Church of Christ's' interpretation of the Bible, particularly their first premise regarding apostasy. They accuse the 'Church of Christ' of taking verses out of context, promoting replacement theology, and committing logical fallacies such as the Texas sharpshooter fallacy and ambiguity. The speaker emphasizes that the Bible does not support the idea of the first-century Church's complete apostasy and that the 'Church of Christ's' argument is invalid if any of its premises are false. They conclude by urging viewers to seek the truth and consider the possibility that their beliefs may be incorrect.
💌 A Call to Action for Truth and Salvation
In the final paragraph, the speaker extends a heartfelt call to those in the 'Church of Christ' to consider the truth and seek salvation. They encourage viewers to share the video with those in the 'Church of Christ' and to engage in discussions that focus on disproving the concept of complete apostasy. The speaker also provides resources, such as a PDF and contact information, for those who wish to delve deeper into the topic. They express their commitment to spreading the gospel and ministering to those in need, and they invite viewers to support their ministry through Patreon if they have been positively impacted by their videos.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡Apostasy
💡Felix Waimanalo
💡Great Apostasy
💡Catholic Church
💡Replacement Theology
💡Logical Fallacy
💡Biblical Interpretation
💡False Prophet
💡End Times
💡Holy Spirit
💡Rapture
Highlights
The speaker aims to disprove the belief system of the Restorationist Church of Jesus Christ in five minutes.
The argument is made that the first-century Church of Christ was completely apostatized, which is foundational to the Restorationist belief.
The speaker argues that if the Church of Christ was not completely apostatized, then Felix Waimanalo is a false prophet by default.
Premise one of the Restorationist argument is that the Church established by Christ was completely apostatized after the Apostles died.
The speaker refutes the claim that the Bible supports the complete apostasy of the first-century Church.
It is argued that the term 'some' in 1 Timothy 4:1 indicates not all apostatized, contradicting the Restorationist view.
The speaker explains the difference between generic apostasy and the 'great apostasy', which is yet to occur.
The interpretation of 2nd Thessalonians 2:3 is critiqued for skipping verse 4 and misinterpreting the 'great apostasy'.
The speaker asserts that the 'great apostasy' will occur during the end times, not in the first century.
The concept of the 'man of lawlessness' or Antichrist is introduced as a sign of the 'great apostasy' yet to come.
The speaker accuses the Restorationist Church of taking verses out of context to support their argument.
Wikipedia is criticized as an unreliable source, and the speaker points out the Restorationist Church's misuse of it.
The speaker discusses the irrevocability of God's gifts and calling for Israel, contradicting the Restorationist view of replacement theology.
The speaker emphasizes that the complete apostasy of the first-century Church of Christ is a false premise.
The speaker calls for an open mind and heart for those in the Restorationist Church to consider the truth.
A challenge is issued to the Restorationist Church to prove their foundational doctrines or accept they are false.
The speaker invites viewers to support their ministry through Patreon if they have been positively impacted by their videos.
Transcripts
ljq Rangi i am a former a blush and a
crystal member born and raised for over
20 years I left when I discovered
numerous false teachings and became a
charismatic Christian in this video I'm
going to disprove the Glenda Cristo in
just five minutes the entire belief
system of the election ii cristo hinges
on the first century Church of Christ
being completely apostatized it is the
very foundation upon which the entire
belief system of the aggression of
Cristo stands why because without it the
supposed need for Felix Waimanalo is
nullified ultimately making Felix
Waimanalo a false prophet by default
therefore if I disprove that the first
century Church of Christ was completely
apostatized the foundation of the entire
aggression a crystal belief system
collapses making the aggression of
Cristo a false religion let's look at
their argument premise one the church
established by Christ in the first
century was completely apostatized after
the Apostles died premise 2 Felix
Waimanalo was the fulfillment of various
prophecies to preach the truth
conclusion therefore Felix Waimanalo is
the last messenger let's quickly
establish what a logically valid
argument is it is one that obeys the
rules of logic the premises are true
which means the conclusion is true as
well it is also important to mention
that the premises in themselves require
validation in the end an argument
succeeds or fails on the validity of its
sub arguments the question then is
whether or not premise one and two are
true let's now examine premise 1 the
church established by Christ in the
first century was completely apostatized
after the Apostles died we have the
premise a B and C are sub arguments and
1 through 4 are explanations for those
sub arguments again it cannot be
emphasized enough premise 1 is the
foundation of the entire aggression a
crystal belief system so what are the
sub arguments for premise 1 a apostasy
Bible verses
be the Catholic Church is responsible
for the great apostasy see Israel was
completely apostatized they read various
verses about the apostasy but we only
need to read one first Timothy chapter 4
verse 1 but the Spirit speaks expressly
that in latter times some shall
apostatize from the faith giving their
mind to deceiving spirits and teachings
of demons notice here it says some and
not all
the issue is not whether the apostasy
happened or not
apostasy happening is universally
accepted among Christians since the
beginning of mankind because of sin
disobeying God the emergence of false
religions is and will always be
inevitable as we can see this premise is
flawed from the beginning there is
absolutely nowhere in the Bible that
says that the first century Church of
Christ was completely apostatized the
aggression a crystal would object yes
there is which leads us into their next
sub argument sub argument B the Catholic
Church is responsible for the great
apostasy point 1 they read 2nd
Thessalonians chapter 2 verse 3 they
skip verse 4 and then read 5 to 7 number
2 the great apostasy Wikipedia reference
number 3 Catholic false doctrines and
number 4 Acts chapter 20 verse 29 to 30
it is crucial to understand that there
is a difference between a generic
apostasy or turning away from God and
the great apostasy let's go to their
first point second Thessalonians chapter
2 verse 3 a twentieth century New
Testament do not let anyone deceive you
whatever he may do for it will not come
until after the great apostasy they go
on to skip verse four and change Bible
translations when they read verse five
to verse seven don't you remember I told
you all this while I was with you yet
there is something that keeps this from
happening now and you know what it is at
the proper time then the wicked one will
appear
the mysterious wickedness is already at
war
but what is going to happen will not
happen until the one who holds it back
is taken out of the way they continue by
reading Acts chapter 20 verse 29 to 30
and claimed that the Apostles are the
ones responsible for holding the great
apostasy back and that the great
apostasy will not occur until after they
die this is incorrect and we can prove
that by understanding the true context
of 2nd Thessalonians
2nd Thessalonians chapter 2 verse 3 does
refer to the great apostasy but contrary
to what the aggression of Cristo
believes the great apostasy has not
occurred yet vast majority of
professional historians agree that the
great apostasy has not occurred yet
therefore it's definitely not believed
to have occurred during the first
century Church of Christ the great
apostasy will occur during the end times
a further falling away of an already
fallen world the context of Paul's
writing to the Thessalonians was to
correct some of the errors concerning
the end times that the believers had
heard from false teachers among the
falsehoods was that the day of the Lord
has already come because of the extreme
persecution that they were facing like
the Thessalonians the aggression
increased so believed in errors
concerning the end times they believed
that the end times began when world war
one started it's important to mention
that they only read half of 2nd
Thessalonians chapter 2 verse 3 let's
read the whole thing do not let anyone
deceive you in any way for the day will
not come until the final rebellion takes
place and the wicked one appears who is
destined to hell Paul makes it clear
that the day of the Lord a time of
worldwide judgment will not transpire
until two things happen first the
falling away or the great apostasy must
occur second the man of lawlessness must
be revealed
he who is called the son of perdition
also known as the Antichrist
once this person makes himself known the
end times will indeed have come there
have been numerous speculations about
the identity of the man of sin since the
beginning of the first century
included were Caligula Caesar Mohammed
Napoleon and any number of Roman popes
from the Catholic Church none of them
were the Antichrist cleverly skipped
verse 4 because it describes what the
Antichrist will do he will oppose every
so-called God or object of worship and
will put himself above them all he will
even go in and sit down at God's temple
and claim to be God clearly this has not
happened no one since Paul's time has
set himself up as God in the Jewish
temple 2,000 years have passed since the
Epistle was written and the day of the
Lord has not yet come Paul assures us
that it will not come until the falling
away comes first the aggression of
Christo has taken these verses out of
context to quote out of context is to
remove a passage from its surrounding
matter in such a way as to distort its
meaning the aggression of Cristo is
infamous for committing this fallacy
again in every age people will turn away
from God but the great apostasy at the
end times will be complete and worldwide
the whole planet will be in rebellion
against God and His Christ every revolt
requires a leader and into this global
apostasy will step the Antichrist we
Christians believe this takes place
after the church has been raptured from
the earth take note the concept of
rapture is not even taught in the
aggression increased oh they have
downright misinterpreted the great
apostasy already we have been able to
disprove their first premise which
nullifies the supposed need for Felix
Waimanalo and proves him to be a false
prophet remember for the argument to be
valid the premises must be true for the
conclusion to be true it only took a
little over five minutes to disprove the
aggression in Christo but if you want to
see more continue watching they cite
Wikipedia as a source to claim that the
Catholic Church is the one that's
responsible for the great apostasy and
then proceed by pointing out many of
their false doctrines the great apostasy
is a term used by some religious groups
to describe a general fallen state of
additional Christianity especially the
papacy or the authority of the Pope
first off Wikipedia is not a credible
resource this is because anybody can be
a contributor and edit the site at any
time this is also a logical fallacy
called the Texas sharpshooter you
cherry-picked a data cluster to suit
your argument or found a pattern to fit
a presumption there are numerous
teachings and interpretations of the
Catholic Church that have turned away
from the true teachings of God but the
identity of the Antichrist has yet to
come the holes in each of their sub
arguments are just staggering like sub
argument a sub argument B has thoroughly
been disproven but to drive the point
even further let's read Matthew 28 verse
19 to 20 therefore go and make disciples
of all nations baptizing them in the
name of the Father and of the Son and of
the Holy Spirit and teaching them to
obey everything I have commanded you and
surely I am with you always to the very
end of the age the end of the age refers
to the end of the world Jesus is
speaking here and Jesus never lies he
said he would be with them until the end
of the world
this is called the Great Commission
before Jesus ascended to heaven he gave
this command and expected the Apostles
and those who followed them to
accomplish in his absence this is not
merely a promise for the Apostles look
at what Jesus says John chapter 16 verse
7 verses 13 to 14 but I am telling you
the truth
it is better for you that I go away
because if I do not go the helper or the
Holy Spirit will not come to you but if
I do go away then I will send him to you
when however the Spirit comes who
reveals the truth about God he will lead
you into all the truth he will not speak
on his own authority but he will speak
of what he hears and will tell you of
things to come he will give me glory
because he will take what I say and tell
it to you what could possibly be better
than physically having Jesus they found
of the church with you the answer is the
Holy Spirit dwelling in every single
follower of Christ 1st Corinthians
chapter 3 verse 16 do you not know that
you are a temple of God and that the
Spirit of God dwells in you among the
many purposes of the Holy Spirit he the
Holy Spirit will guide you into all
truth how would it be possible then for
the first century Church of Christ to be
completely apostatized after the
Apostles died if the aggression and
crystal interpretation is correct
wouldn't that make Jesus Christ a liar
and a failure let's go to the book of
Acts chapter 1 verse 8 but you will
receive power when the Holy Spirit comes
on you and you will be my witnesses in
Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria
and to the ends of the earth by the way
according to the aggression crystal the
phrase ends of the earth refers to a
time and not a place let's read the
exact same thing but in the ICB
translation but the Holy Spirit will
come to you then you will receive power
you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem in
all of Judea in Samaria and in every
part of the world a Christian witness is
a person who calls attention to
something other than himself one who is
called upon to give or to be evidence of
something with the guidance help and
power of the Holy Spirit the church
would be witnesses in not just Judea not
just Samaria but in every part of the
world this is how the church would
continue to grow in the midst of false
teachers given all of the evidence
listen to how preposterous this claim is
now Jesus Christ knew the church he
himself established would fail but he
had a plan his work of salvation would
be completed about 2,000 years later
when another man would rise up but this
time he would not fail like Jesus did
this man Felix Waimanalo
would complete Jesus work of salvation
and finish what he started for the sake
of those precious souls in aggression in
cristo we will continue to rebut sub
arguments e in their first premise
Israel was apostatized they believe that
Israel has been replaced by the
aggression increased oh this is called
replacement theology and this is false
they read Daniel 911 all Israel has
transgressed your law and turned away
refusing to obey you
therefore the curses and sworn judgments
written in the law of Moses the servant
of God have been poured out on us
because we have sinned against you
repeatedly the aggression of Christo
continues to take verses out of context
this is Daniel admitting to God that
Israel has not kept the law but there is
no way you can conclude that this verse
is saying that Israel has been
completely apostatized without any
personal commentary of my own let's see
what the Bible's answer is to this exact
question Romans 11:1 2 - a 26 a 29 - 31
I ask then did God reject his people the
Israelites by no means I am an Israelite
myself a descendant of Abraham from the
tribe of Benjamin God did not reject his
people whom he foreknew verse 26 and in
this way all Israel will be saved
verse 29 - 31 for God's gifts and his
call are irrevocable just as you who
were at one time disobedient to God have
now received mercy as a result of their
disobedience so they too have now become
disobedient in order that they too may
now receive mercy as a result of God's
mercy to you the gifts and calling of
God specifically for Israel are
irrevocable the people of Israel theirs
is the adoption to sonship
there's the divine glory the covenants
the receiving of the law the temple
worship and the promises theirs are the
patriarchs and from them is traced the
human ancestry of the Messiah
who
is God over all forever praised amen
there are 77 references to Israel in the
New Testament and none of them refer to
the church try replacing the word to the
church where Israel is mentioned and the
passage is rendered unreadable and silly
for example Romans chapter 10 verse 1
brethren my heart's desire and prayer to
God for Israel is that they might be
saved if you put the church where Israel
is mentioned then it is redundant the
church is the body of saved believers so
how could Paul's prayer be for the
church to be saved let's summarize the
fallacies the aggression of Cristo has
committed in their first premise a they
are guilty of taking things out of
context number one they have taken
multiple verses out of context and have
irrationally confused the great apostasy
with a generic apostasy they also
skipped verse four of second
Thessalonians chapter two number two
replacement theology they have taken
Daniel 911 to claim that all of Israel
was apostatized and that the aggression
of cristo has replaced them they are
also guilty of the logical fallacy Texas
sharpshooter number one they cherry
picked a Wikipedia's source in an
attempt to back up their claim that the
Catholic Church is responsible for the
great apostasy even though the vast
majority of professional historians
agree that the great apostasy has not
occurred yet and see they're also guilty
of the logical fallacy ambiguity number
one they use the ambiguity of the phrase
ends of the earth to mean a time rather
than a place number two they use the
double meaning on the word apostasy to
specifically refer to the great apostasy
recall earlier what a logically valid
argument is it is one that obeys the
rules of logic the premises are true
which means the conclusion is true as
well does their argument obey the rules
of logic no without even addressing
their second premise if just one premise
of the argument is false the conclusion
is also false
is premise one true no premise one of
their argument has been decimated
therefore the conclusion is false it
only takes five minutes or less to
disprove the aggression of crystal if
you can disprove their foundational
doctrines such as the apostasy in
conclusion I have successfully disproved
that the first century Church of Christ
was completely apostatized therefore the
foundation of the entire aggression a
crystal belief system has collapsed
making the aggression in crystal a false
religion to all my glass and crystal
viewers this video has been made out of
love salvation is on the line not just
for you but for all those that you know
that are in the church your friends and
your family I ask you with all my heart
please have an open mind and an open
heart be hungry for the truth
be humble genuinely think of the
possibility that what you can believe
could be false to all of you who are
stubborn these are not my personal
interpretations I simply read the Bible
if you believe that I am wrong it is
your job to disprove me prove to me that
the first century Church of Christ was
completely apostatized and that Jesus
Christ himself failed proved to me that
God has completely rejected the
Israelites and that the glacially
crystal replaced them proved to me that
the great apostasy has already happened
don't bring up any other topic that is
irrelevant to this video and don't
resort to meaningless attacks and
comments such as I&C for life to all my
viewers who are in truth and are my
brothers and sisters in Christ if you
know people in aggression a crystal and
you want them to be saved it is your job
to share this video with them I will be
putting a PDF down in description so
that you can be equipped and have access
to all the points that I have made in
this video so that you can disprove the
aggression to Christo and help those who
are in that religion switching over once
again to those
the question in crystal you can even
print this document and take it to your
resident minister and have them answer
these questions and see what answers you
get whether you are sharing this with
your minister or your family and friends
be sure that you and they understand
that the complete apostasy is the
foundation of the aggression in christow
your focus will be on the fact that the
complete apostasy of the first century
Church of Christ never happened it is
imperative that you don't get
sidetracked by other topics that are
brought up to distract you from the
bigger picture they must disprove the
points that I have made proving that the
complete apostasy did not actually occur
my next video will be me disproving
premise two of their argument if you
would like to contact me my facebook
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respond to you yet these videos take a
lot of time and energy and I'm also
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god bless
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